It's okay, I guess.
https://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2020-fit/
https://www.motor1.com/news/377916/honda-fit-debuts-five-trim-levels/
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Will it make it to the USA? Who knows!
Initial thought: cleft palate
It's pretty meh. I could take it or leave it. If it's a real car underneath, that's cool. If it has a CVT, it can go fuck itself.
Oh, I just noticed the electric parking brake switch. Fucking junk.
Much more traditional Honda styling, especially the blue one. But that has to be the cheapest looking interior since the Calibre.
Lol, is that a big gray blanking plate where the nav screen goes on the "upper" models? :facepalm:
Well, it's definitely a Honda Fit
Quote from: Rockraven on October 23, 2019, 04:00:54 AM
Much more traditional Honda styling, especially the blue one. But that has to be the cheapest looking interior since the Calibre.
Lol, is that a big gray blanking plate where the nav screen goes on the "upper" models? :facepalm:
Are we looking at the same interior? It looks pretty high quality for a what it is.
And yes, that's a blanking plate. Most JDM cars have them on smaller models. Aftermarket stereos are still popular in Japan, so Honda, Toyota, et al don't even equip radios on certain model grades when it's clear it's gonna be ripped out and replaced.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 23, 2019, 06:49:00 AM
Are we looking at the same interior? It looks pretty high quality for a what it is.
And yes, that’s a blanking plate. Most JDM cars have them on smaller models. Aftermarket stereos are still popular in Japan, so Honda, Toyota, et al don’t even equip radios on certain model grades when it’s clear it’s gonna be ripped out and replaced.
Yeah, I want to know if we're looking at the same interior as well.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 23, 2019, 07:00:07 AM
Yeah, I want to know if we're looking at the same interior as well.
Did you click either link?
The interior is very good looking, I really don't understand how you can even remotely say it looks "as cheap as the caliber".
Interior looks great Rockraven, take the L like a man
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Good looking, simple, functional. Most luxury makers could learn a lot from this little dodgeball.
The EU Jazz is gonna be hybrid only.
The JDM car gets a gas engine option, but we don't know what it is yet. The hybrid option is basically the same 1.5L setup they're putting in the Accord and Insight.
I also heard there may be a Type-R coming.
Didn't the fit use to look fun and sporty and not dull and demented?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 23, 2019, 07:14:39 AM
Interior looks great Rockraven, take the L like a man
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Good looking, simple, functional. Most luxury makers could learn a lot from this little dodgeball.
Lol, you're a 'Cougs wannabe now? Any interior looks a little better with some color.
Quote from: r0tor on October 23, 2019, 07:26:41 AM
Didn't the fit use to look fun and sporty and not dull and demented?
Idk man it looks pretty in line with the other three generations. Either way, people never bought this car because of how it looks. They bought it because it was cheap, sharp to drive, and had interior space that punched well above its weight. The fit still numerically has more usable interior space than some midsized cars out there.
I'm not really sold on the exterior, but the interior and overall concept is pretty good.
But if we don't get this in the USA, it's a moot point.
This thing looks a little too cute for my taste. I wonder if a "sports" version with bigger rims and a few ricey bits can tone it down a bit.
Still, with the HRV being almost as practical but with AWD and ground clearance, even if it is a bit of a turd, it's no wonder Honda doesn't sell many Fits anymore.
They should lift it and give it AWD, then they could call it the Cross Fit.
Wait, did they already do it?
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Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 23, 2019, 08:01:55 AM
They should lift it and give it AWD, then they could call it the Cross Fit.
That's the Crosstar trim.
Quote from: Xer0 on October 23, 2019, 07:56:17 AM
This thing looks a little too cute for my taste. I wonder if a "sports" version with bigger rims and a few ricey bits can tone it down a bit.
Still, with the HRV being almost as practical but with AWD and ground clearance, even if it is a bit of a turd, it's no wonder Honda doesn't sell many Fits anymore.
Yeah, the HRV outsells the Fit like 2 to 1. Unfortunate.
I just don't like the fact that new cheap, fun to drive cars are quickly disappearing from the market. The Fit hit a lot of notes for me, really spacious, sharp to drive, cheap to buy and own....not a lot of cars out there that can do that these days.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 23, 2019, 07:27:37 AM
Lol, you're a 'Cougs wannabe now? Any interior looks a little better with some color.
A lot of interiors, including luxury ones, have no color. Like I said it's not bad at all, especially for something that's prob gonna cost no more than $20K OTD.
Quote from: Xer0 on October 23, 2019, 07:56:17 AM
This thing looks a little too cute for my taste. I wonder if a "sports" version with bigger rims and a few ricey bits can tone it down a bit.
Maybe for the 1st Fit we got... but all the ones after are too ugly. I feel like a Civic Si, especially for the money, just makes more sense. These are lighter than Civics, but not by much... I'd wager one with the 1.5T and all the other shit to support it wouldn't be convincingly far enough from the 2900lb CSi. They would have to lock down the stability control to keep it from rolling too.
They've had sport trims of the Fit for years in the JDM, and it's rumored there's going to be a Fit Type-R this time around.
Greatest car in the history of superminis.
For the money a Mustang, Camaro or GTI are even better.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 24, 2019, 07:27:15 AM
A lot of interiors, including luxury ones, have no color. Like I said it's not bad at all, especially for something that's prob gonna cost no more than $20K OTD.
Maybe for the 1st Fit we got... but all the ones after are too ugly. I feel like a Civic Si, especially for the money, just makes more sense. These are lighter than Civics, but not by much... I'd wager one with the 1.5T and all the other shit to support it wouldn't be convincingly far enough from the 2900lb CSi. They would have to lock down the stability control to keep it from rolling too.
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on October 24, 2019, 02:04:33 PM
Greatest car in the history of superminis.
That would be the original Mini.
Looks great- way better than the current one. Hope we get it.
Sidenote- the second gen Fit with the sport package still looks really good to this day
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on October 24, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
For the money a Mustang, Camaro or GTI are even better.
Only the GTI comes close if you actually need a back seat. And it's still not as practical for passengers
In the real world, the Civic Si is quite a bit slower than those other cars. Plus if one is looking for an automatic, the Si is immediately out as well. There also that awful rev hang that you'd have to deal with.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 25, 2019, 07:15:40 AM
Only the GTI comes close if you actually need a back seat. And it's still not as practical for passengers
Also there are plenty of cheap new, fun to drive cars on the market. People just need to stop being bishes and start walking instead of talking. These are the prices I paid for my two newest cars:
2017 Mazda MX-5 Sport 6MT: $22,500
2018 Mazda 3 Touring 6MT: $18,700
And while I was car shopping, these were also available:
2018 Honda Civic Coupe 6MT: $16,000~
2019 Honda Civic Sport Hatchback 6MT: $20,000~
2019 Ford Fiesta 5MT: $13,000~
2019 Ford Fiesta ST: $19,500
2019 Subaru WRX 6MT: $23,500
2018 VW Golf 5MT: $16,000~
Not to mention the Corolla, iA, Jetta and offerings from Hyundai & Kia. Earlier this year I could have scored the Fiesta ST for even less, a Focus ST would have been around 20K (maybe even less), and GTI's were available for around 21K. Mustang Ecoboosts can also be had for around 21K and while I didn't look at the Camaro, they wouldn't have been too far off the mark. A couple of years ago when my sister bought her 2016 Fit EX, it was under 17K. It's a good time to be a car buyer and if people just stopped being so picky (oh noes, the trim around the vents look cheap!), they'd realize that the choices out there right now are pretty good.
I don't think anyone was complaining about the availability of cheap fun cars. I'm pretty sure I've said we are in a performance car golden age in many respects. Especially in the context of livability and practicality. For my commute I'll gladly take the muted torque swells of a turbo motor over the feral shriek of an N/A screamer anyday. Pony cars are actually good at most things. Etc. So I don't think a sporty Fit is necessary.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 25, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
I don't think anyone was complaining about the availability of cheap fun cars. I'm pretty sure I've said we are in a performance car golden age in many respects. Especially in the context of livability and practicality. For my commute I'll gladly take the muted torque swells of a turbo motor over the feral shriek of an N/A screamer anyday. Pony cars are actually good at most things. Etc. So I don't think a sporty Fit is necessary.
Pony cars have finally gotten really good at handling so they decided to make an SUV Mustang to re-live the glory days of only going in a straight line
Have any of y'all driven the latest crop of pony cars? It's like driving a fucking house.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 25, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Have any of y'all driven the latest crop of pony cars? It's like driving a fucking house.
I was thinking "swimming pool", but yes, they big.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 25, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Have any of y'all driven the latest crop of pony cars? It's like driving a fucking house.
I drove a Challenger. It did feel like driving a basement apartment. I'd wager the Rustang will be decent though. It's smaller than my TLX
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 26, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
I drove a Challenger. It did feel like driving a basement apartment. I'd wager the Rustang will be decent though. It's smaller than my TLX
It's not about the size of the car. It's the windowsill height, the massive brick wall of a dashboard, the massive Fisher Price A/T shifters. Numb, overboosted steering. The cars might be fast but they also feel fat at the same time. Just like our overpowered, oversized SUVs. Guzzle enough gas and you can be both fast
and obese.
Eh, different strokes for different folks. For most people, the opportunities of enjoyment are far more frequent with something like a pony car than something like a Miata. I'm just happy both exist :huh:
I've never been a fan of Challengers. They only look good in the highest trims with good wheel packages. V6 ones look like sunken battleships on their pathetic 215 wide tires.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 25, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Have any of y'all driven the latest crop of pony cars? It's like driving a fucking house.
The Chally is big. It's also based on a full-size sedan platform and is roomy enough inside to qualify as a midsize sedan. The Mustang and Camaro are like driving a smaller midsize sedan (e.g. 1st generation Mazda6) but with worse outward visibility (moreso the Camaro than Mustang). The long hood makes them feel a little bigger than they are when you're looking out the front, but there's not as much vehicle behind you as with a FWD sedan of the same length. You just need to adjust to sitting relatively further back between the axles. In an old Mazda6, your ass is basically right at, or just in front of, the midpoint between the axles. In a Mustang, you're about 3/5s to 2/3s of the way back to the rear axle.
The Mustang is not exactly light on its feet. It's a bit of a blunt instrument and you need to manhandle it a bit. It's no Miata or S2K. Nor is it a hot hatch. That said, it is pretty capable once you figure out how it responds to inputs. I occasionally take on instructor duties at our auto-x events and there was a novice in an S2000 this past season who was struggling a bit with the course, so I gave him a ride-along so he could see where I was placing my car and where the braking and accelerating zones were. Not ten seconds into the run I hear him go "holy shit!", clinging to the grab handle, as I'm carving through a series of tight offset gates and slaloms. After the run, he tells me that he had no idea a Mustang could handle and change directions like that. "I thought for certain you were just going to overcook and blow through a couple of those turns, but this thing just dug in and turned". Bone stock running street tires (albeit pretty aggressive summer street tires).
I drive my son's Challenger all the time, and yes it's a big car, but you get accustomed to it. It's a fantastic highway cruiser.
Yea, you have to be more delibrate with bigger cars, but ultimately grip is grip
On sale.
https://paultan.org/2020/02/13/2020-honda-jazz-goes-on-sale-in-japan-ehev-hybrid-and-1-3l-petrol/
It's a cut-down version of the hybrid system in the Insight and Accord. Japan does get a base 1.3L with 98HP (sounds like the engine from the old Fit) and a CVT automatic.
I feel like Honda doesn't want to sell anything in Europe; this new Jazz starts at 22,000 EUR. By comparison, a base Fiesta (albeit with zero options) starts at 11,000 EUR.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 13, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
On sale.
https://paultan.org/2020/02/13/2020-honda-jazz-goes-on-sale-in-japan-ehev-hybrid-and-1-3l-petrol/
It's a cut-down version of the hybrid system in the Insight and Accord. Japan does get a base 1.3L with 98HP (sounds like the engine from the old Fit) and a CVT automatic.
I feel like Honda doesn't want to sell anything in Europe; this new Jazz starts at 22,000 EUR. By comparison, a base Fiesta (albeit with zero options) starts at 11,000 EUR.
It's actually a nifty little car. Despite all the fuss over EVs, I think hybrids are the real forseeable future. I would much rather have an eCVT than a regular CVT. Dat city MPG is crazy.
Unfortunately, gas around here is dipping below $2/gal. Trucks trucks trucks, and bro trucks. Little cars aren't "cool".
All-New Honda Fit Goes On Sale In Japan With Two Powertrains, Optional AWD
Japan is the first market in the world to get the all-new Fit subcompact.
On sale from February 14, the fourth-generation Honda Fit (sold as the Jazz in Europe) is available with five trim levels and two powertrains in its home country. In the increasing order of their specification, the trim levels are called Basic, Home, Ness, Crosstar and Luxe.
Each one is available with either a 1.3-liter i-VTEC four-cylinder gasoline engine mated to a CVT or an e:HEV two-motor hybrid system hooked to an eCVT. All-wheel drive is optional with each powertrain and trim level.
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The base powertrain delivers 98 PS (97 HP) at 6,000 rpm and 118 Nm (87 lb-ft) of torque at 5,000 rpm. The combined fuel economy for the FWD model is as low as 20.4 km/L (4.9 l/100 km / 48 mpg US) as per WLTC.
The Fit e:HEV hybrid combines the 1.5-liter i-VTEC gasoline engine with an electric propulsion motor rated at 80 kW (109 PS / 107 HP) and 253 Nm (187 lb-ft) of torque. The drivetrain also includes a starter generator motor and a lithium-ion battery pack. Unsurprisingly, the hybrid model is more fuel-efficient, returning 28.8 km/L (3.5 l/100 km / 67.7 mpg US) in FWD guise.
The 2020 Fit builds on its predecessors' functionality, offering a more spacious and comfortable cabin than ever before. For example, the A-pillars are now much slimmer, significantly improving visibility in combination with the flat-topped instrument panel.
Honda says the redesigned seats are more comfortable than before thanks to additional soft padding, making long-distance driving less tiring for all occupants. Additionally, cabin space and luggage capacity are now more generous – and the Magic Seats remain on offer.
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Safety-wise, all 2020 Fit models come with the Honda Sensing suite as standard, including a new front wide-view camera. It consists of Collision Mitigation Braking System, False Start Prevention, False Backward Start Prevention, Pedestrian Collision Mitigation Steering System, Adaptive Cruise Control, Lane Keeping Assist and more.
The all-new Fit is also the first model sold in Japan to get the 9-inch Honda Connect infotainment system compatible with Honda Total Care Premium connected service.
Prices in Japan start from 1,557,600 yen ($14,180) for the Fit Basic with the 1.3-liter gasoline engine and FWD. The Fit e:HEV Basic in front-wheel-drive configuration is priced from 1,997,600 yen ($18,185).
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2020/02/all-new-honda-fit-goes-on-sale-in-japan-with-two-powertrains-optional-awd/
I feel like the least amount of effort possible went into this.
Quote from: Rockraven on February 14, 2020, 01:33:51 PM
I feel like the least amount of effort possible went into this.
Designers cost money. :lol: