Mustang Mach-E

[Payman]

https://jalopnik.com/2020-ford-mustang-mach-e-heres-the-car-price-and-0-60-1839875945

Looks alright, kinda like a Jag I-Pace, hate the big tablet interior, pretty expensive in the $60K range, could have named it something better (Galaxy, Futura, Falcon, etc).

[mzziaz]

I hate that they are exploiting the Mustang (and Mach) name for an electric SUV.

It might be an OK car, otherwise. I'm glad Ford finally are trying seriously to compete in the EV market

[giant_mtb]

[12,000 RPM]

That tablet screen is a non-starter but otherwise it looks like a good idea. Nothing else to fault besides the name.

The price is OK. A similarly equipped Edge is gonna cost less obviously but will cost 5 figures more to fuel up over ~5 years. Add incentives and its reasonably priced.

Plus they beat Tesla to the punch for a mainstream EV crossover.

[r0tor]

Don't really see this beating Tesla... Mustang faithful will hate it and no real benefit over a Tesla.  Plus the lack of a charging infrastructure limits it to a 2nd car

[12,000 RPM]

Obviously Tesla fanboyism is undefeatable; I was just saying they beat them to market with a non-penalty box EV crossover.

The Mustang name is stupid and will probably hurt sales. But outside of that it looks pretty good.

[SJ_GTI]

Pretty much agree with everyone here, it looks good but the name is dumb.

[Soup DeVille]

Remember way back when in the '80s when Ford proposed replacing the Mustang with a FWD V6 derived from a Mazda?

The "Hey, Asshole" letter writing campaign was glorious, pre-internet viral criticism. And for what? So we could get an electric SUV instead?

Ford has a long long history of shortchanging their longest selling nameplate, and I've never figured out why.

[MrH]

It's pretty ugly.  But 300 miles, mid 5s 0-60, for $50k - $7500 credit = $43,500?  Solid deal

[CaminoRacer]

Rear end is hideous with those Mustang tail lights. I don't know what executive had this idea, but someone should have spoken up and told him he's retarded. Apparently they just have yes-men

[MrH]

It looks like a mustang got stung by a bumble bee.

[FoMoJo]

I hate that body style.  Someone at Ford needs their ass kicked.

[MX793]

Don't really see this beating Tesla... Mustang faithful will hate it and no real benefit over a Tesla.  Plus the lack of a charging infrastructure limits it to a 2nd car

There are 20 public EV charging stations in my city.  1 Tesla Supercharger and 19 "generic" (e.g. SAE J1772) stations, mostly owned by ChargePoint.  There's more infrastructure, locally, to support owning this car, or any other EV not using proprietary charging connectors and infrastructure, than a Tesla.

[12,000 RPM]

There are 20 public EV charging stations in my city.  1 Tesla Supercharger and 19 "generic" (e.g. SAE J1772) stations, mostly owned by ChargePoint.  There's more infrastructure, locally, to support owning this car, or any other EV not using proprietary charging connectors and infrastructure, than a Tesla.

Plus someone buying a $40K car outside of a dense urban area probably has a driveway/garage to charge it

Even with a charging network EVs are still short range commuter type vehicles to me.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Junk

[afty]

There are 20 public EV charging stations in my city.  1 Tesla Supercharger and 19 "generic" (e.g. SAE J1772) stations, mostly owned by ChargePoint.  There's more infrastructure, locally, to support owning this car, or any other EV not using proprietary charging connectors and infrastructure, than a Tesla.

Teslas can also use J1772 chargers.  An adapter comes with the car. 

Also, J1772 chargers are fine for opportunity charging (e.g. topping off while shopping), but not what you want for critical away-from-home charging.  You really want DC fast charging like a Supercharger unless you're OK sitting there for 4 hours. 

Electrify America is building out standards-based DC fast charging, so I expect this situation to get better over the next few years.  But right now it's a lot harder to charge a non-Tesla EV than a Tesla.

[r0tor]

There are 20 public EV charging stations in my city.  1 Tesla Supercharger and 19 "generic" (e.g. SAE J1772) stations, mostly owned by ChargePoint.  There's more infrastructure, locally, to support owning this car, or any other EV not using proprietary charging connectors and infrastructure, than a Tesla.

I looked nearby and the charge point chargers are at Nissan car dealers (probably for Leafs) and are not fast charging like the Tesla superchargers.

[MX793]

Teslas can also use J1772 chargers.  An adapter comes with the car. 

Also, J1772 chargers are fine for opportunity charging (e.g. topping off while shopping), but not what you want for critical away-from-home charging.  You really want DC fast charging like a Supercharger unless you're OK sitting there for 4 hours. 

Electrify America is building out standards-based DC fast charging, so I expect this situation to get better over the next few years.  But right now it's a lot harder to charge a non-Tesla EV than a Tesla.

Sure, fast chargers are a must if you're trying to road trip.  I don't see any EV as viable for a long-range road tripper.  There's insufficient infrastructure even for Tesla to support that right now, IMO.  If I have to carefully plan my trip around the limited locations of fast charge stations, it's not viable.

[r0tor]

Slow chargers are pointless unless they are at a shopping mall or hotel where you are staying for many many hours

[12,000 RPM]

Slow chargers are pointless unless they are at a shopping mall or hotel where you are staying for many many hours

Everyone can't have a driveway and fast chargers are expensive. If EVs are gonna take over the world slow chargers for overnight street/parking lot/deck parking are gonna be mandatory. Doesn't make sense to spend $10K at every parking spot for "fast" charging when a slow charger at 1/10th the price will do it

But even fast charging is still like 2-4x slower than pumping gas. I remember once I timed filling up my Kia... it did 17 gallons (or 350 miles) in like 2 minutes. Tesla brags about its Superchargers doing 1000 miles in an hour. So there will always be a gap

[MrH]

I don't understand how anyone buys an EV car without having a garage and a level 2 charger.  Street parking and relying solely on superchargers is nuts.

[12,000 RPM]

Some people get free charging at work. But yea I couldn't do that either

[r0tor]

Everyone can't have a driveway and fast chargers are expensive. If EVs are gonna take over the world slow chargers for overnight street/parking lot/deck parking are gonna be mandatory. Doesn't make sense to spend $10K at every parking spot for "fast" charging when a slow charger at 1/10th the price will do it

But even fast charging is still like 2-4x slower than pumping gas. I remember once I timed filling up my Kia... it did 17 gallons (or 350 miles) in like 2 minutes. Tesla brags about its Superchargers doing 1000 miles in an hour. So there will always be a gap

The Tesla brag puts the slow Charge Point chargers into perspective.  One you can plug in and grab a bite to eat and not be horribly delayed.  The other you would spend half a day to drive another hour or two.

So yea, roadside slow chargers are pointless

[12,000 RPM]

roadside slow chargers are pointless

Depends on the road. Interstate? Probably (though there are plenty of road side motels etc.)

Residential street? Definitely not.

Again if EVs are the future its fanboys are promising (no swipes at the very reasonable EV SPINners here) slow chargers are going to be key for mass adoption outside of single family homes with driveways.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Junk

*Like*

[MX793]

I'm still grappling with who could have possibly thought it was a good idea to name any SUV/CUV a Mustang.  As with most of the recent stupidity at Ford, I'll chalk this up to Hackett.  He needs to be sent packing.  It's pretty clear that he should have stuck with the office furniture business.

[12,000 RPM]

Hackett is a clown, we can agree on that.

[Laconian]

I'm still grappling with who could have possibly thought it was a good idea to name any SUV/CUV a Mustang.  As with most of the recent stupidity at Ford, I'll chalk this up to Hackett.  He needs to be sent packing.  It's pretty clear that he should have stuck with the office furniture business.

My money is on Americans thinking "it's a Mustang that sits up high and doesn't hurt my hips! SWEET!"

[Galaxy]

I think you guys are being to critical, we will have to wait and see if it eats pedestrians upon leaving Cars&Coffees to see if it deserves the Mustang name.  At least the RWD one has the potential with all of that torque.

[Soup DeVille]

I think you guys are being to critical, we will have to wait and see if it eats pedestrians upon leaving Cars&Coffees to see if it deserves the Mustang name.  At least the RWD one has the potential with all of that torque.

It would take a person with an uncommon lack of self-awareness to take one of these to a Cars and Coffee.