Audi Confirms Next-Gen RS4 Will Get A Plug-In Hybrid Powertrain

Started by cawimmer430, September 16, 2019, 02:05:52 PM

Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 21, 2019, 10:55:35 AM
Hyperbole much?

No....? Other than maybe supercar hybrids, have any had a reputation for being fun to drive?

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If by "liking cars" you mean shitting on anything that doesn't fit your old and very limited definition if what a fun car can be, then sure. I think many would disagree though

Yeah, if you're into hybrids and EVs and AVs, you don't like cars. You like technology. And that's fine, you can like technology. It's completely valid and no better or worse than liking cars. But let's not pretend you are what you aren't.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

Quote from: Laconian on September 21, 2019, 12:42:20 PM
I'm not thrilled with what's happened to driving either. There are too many people on the roads, too many of them are distracted, and too many of them are piloting five ton WMDs that should require CDLs. Traffic jams everywhere, and the threat of annihilation at the wrong end of bumper-height mismatch, do put a damper on my enthusiasm.

My region used to be better for driving, but the situation became a lot worse after half of California migrated north.

Yeah, things changed when people switched over from the "Pay attention or you'll die" driver's ed to the touchy feely "driving's a fun, safe activity" driver's ed.

But still, even if this is the reality, which I'm sure it is, why do I have to be happy about it? Something I love is going away. Should I smile and welcome these facsimiles with open arms?
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Raza  on September 22, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
No....? Other than maybe supercar hybrids, have any had a reputation for being fun to drive?
There haven't been any non-supercar hybrids focused on driving fun & performance so this is kind of a strawman. I doubt hybridization will turn the RS4 into a Prius.

Quote from: Raza  on September 22, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
Yeah, if you're into hybrids and EVs and AVs, you don't like cars. You like technology. And that's fine, you can like technology. It's completely valid and no better or worse than liking cars. But let's not pretend you are what you aren't.
Man you sure love to subscribe to antiquated dogmatic orthodoxy. No, liking cars that aren't 100% ICE powered, 3 pedal equipped with fully defeatible stability control doesn't mean one isn't into cars. And in any case, what's the prize for being a devout Razautobilist?
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Laconian

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 22, 2019, 09:50:38 AM
There haven't been any non-supercar hybrids focused on driving fun & performance so this is kind of a strawman.

CR-Z? :lol:

Anyways, EV drivetrains and the trend MMI-drenched, USB-encrusted isolation cabins may have occurred around the same time, but that doesn't mean that the former trend gave rise to the latter. I can tick off countless unthusiast cars and CUVs which burn gas too. For some anecdotal counterexamples, the friend with an I-Pace is a bona fide car geek, loves driving much too fast, and loves the hell out of his EV. afty here is a car wonk too, and he's a Model 3 fan. :huh:

I would love to try a Miata with an EV drivetrain. Having actual low end torque would certainly transform the character of the car, but it would become something different, not something worse. A previous gen Mini with an electric motor would be cool too.
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CaminoRacer

+1 that EVs don't have to be soulless. And the rise of AVs isn't really linked to EVs either. They both just happen to be more possible in 2019 than ever before.
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Laconian

What if an EV had a simulated manual transmission with force feedback and symposed engine lugging? Would you drive it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3tmdnVPCes
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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: Laconian on September 22, 2019, 01:28:28 PM
What if an EV had a simulated manual transmission with force feedback and symposed engine lugging? Would you drive it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3tmdnVPCes

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12,000 RPM

I will put it like this. If you ever unleashed the dragon to porn, complaining about shit not feeling real or whatever is bogus. Simulations can be satisfactory... if you allow them to be ;)
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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 22, 2019, 02:26:30 PM
I will put it like this. If you ever unleashed the dragon to porn, complaining about shit not feeling real or whatever is bogus. Simulations can be satisfactory... if you allow them to be ;)

What is this dragon of porn?
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 21, 2019, 05:57:57 AM
I think in part people are tired of seeing an assortment of Camaros, Mustangs, Chevelles, and Chargers at shows.

There's also the performance of new cars keeps going up, making the old muscle cars less impressive to many. People are getting nostalgic about the cars that people actually used, that are comfortable to drive, and that they can cruise around with a group in. Station Wagons and trucks have already gone up in price over the last 10 years, and full size sedans are following.

Good insight. Thanks!  :cheers:
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