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Title: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 02, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
So last week, I randomly decided to put my WR250X up for sale. Being the middle of winter, and a relatively unknown bike at a not cheap price, I figured I'd be sitting on it for a while. There was also an '04 SV650 naked with GSXR front end and Elka rear shock, Leo Vince exhaust, etc, for sale. I made plans to go see the bike Saturday (12/31), and then on Friday I went to get the money. As soon as I got back home from the bank, the SV was sold. :cry:

In a fit of rage, I decided to go look at a dirt bike. I had had my eye on a couple, but wasn't really planning on buying anything. Since I had the money, though, I figured why not check one out? Since I had nothing to do as I was planning on buying the SV, I decided to just go check out a YZ426f for sale on the local forum that was about 15 min away from me. I threw the trailer on the Miata and went to check it out with my roommate. Long story short:

(http://i.imgur.com/YHJA4CG.jpg?1)

On the WR front, I was getting a crazy amount of responses. Tons of people wanted trades and people were basically lining up for it. One guy wanted to see it Sunday (1/1) and was coming from 2.5 hours away, so I held on to it for him. He checked it out Sunday morning and bought it. That left me with no street bike, aka no way to get to work. I didn't think the bike would sell that fast. Luckily I had already been CL hunting for a few weeks and had some good leads.

Today (1/2) I went to check out a 2007 GSXR750 with only 2500 miles. What the ad neglected to say was how much damage was on the right fairing and that it hadn't been registered since 2011. :facepalm:

After wasting my morning on the GSXR750, I called about a nice looking FZ1. 12k miles, never dropped, and in a cool color. After a bit of haggling:

(http://i.imgur.com/P5zKDY5.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/oKoIHo7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/61ER3zZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/855dndC.jpg)

I'll post my impressions later.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 02, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
TLDR, wtf are you doing? :lol:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: SVT_Power on January 02, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
Copycat
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 02, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
Those are some LOOOOOOONG mirror stalks! LOL!!! Nice color tho!
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 02, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
So you have a dirtbike now?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 02, 2017, 10:56:23 PM
That FZ1 looks great. I'm jelly.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 02, 2017, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 02, 2017, 10:56:23 PM
That FZ1 looks great. I'm jelly.

The color looks like raspberry jelly.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 02, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 02, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
TLDR, wtf are you doing? :lol:

I am not quite sure. :lol:

Quote from: SVT_Power on January 02, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
Copycat

Oh pls, you just jelly you got stuck with an FZ6. :devil:

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 02, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
Those are some LOOOOOOONG mirror stalks! LOL!!! Nice color tho!

LOL yeah! The placement is great though! I can see everything behind me.

Quote from: giant_mtb on January 02, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
So you have a dirtbike now?

Yep. It needs a new front tire and throttle cables and grips so it's currently in pieces in the garage. Hoping to have it together soon, but I still need to register both bikes at the DMV and insure the FZ so I'm going to get buttraped.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 02, 2017, 10:56:23 PM
That FZ1 looks great. I'm jelly.

Thanks! :cheers:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 03, 2017, 12:37:33 AM
Yay. Somebody else has dirtbike!
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 04:36:17 AM
Did you ride the 426 before buying it?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: SVT_Power on January 03, 2017, 05:50:03 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 02, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
Oh pls, you just jelly you got stuck with an FZ6. :devil:


I buy a red FZ6 and then a few months down the road you just happen to buy a red FZ1? Oh pls.

:devil:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MrH on January 03, 2017, 08:31:50 AM
:wtf: :lol:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Speed_Racer on January 03, 2017, 08:51:38 AM
Can you even lane split with mirrors that wide?! Love that red/gold combo on the FZ1 though
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 04:36:17 AM
Did you ride the 426 before buying it?

Yeah. I couldn't kick it over but my roommate started it and I rode it.

Quote from: Speed_Racer on January 03, 2017, 08:51:38 AM
Can you even lane split with mirrors that wide?! Love that red/gold combo on the FZ1 though

Yeah they are giant. It's not too bad (yet). I haven't tried riding in SF yet so I'm not sure how it'll fare.

I'll post impressions in a separate post. Right now I'm going to order swingarm spools, frame sliders and a new windshield. This aftermarket PowerBronze one directs all the airflow into my helmet. I need a shorter one that will hit my chest instead.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Yeah. I couldn't kick it over but my roommate started it and I rode it.


Do you know how to use the manual decompresser when starting?  And God help you if you stall it when the motor is hot.  Even the newer thumpers don't restart very well hot, but those earlier bikes were awful.

Also, did you ride it on dirt?  The 426 was the first generation of modern 4-stroke MX bikes.  My dad had one back in the day.  I remember it being quite nose heavy, which made it much less nimble in technical stuff compared to 250 2-strokes.  Lots of power, too.  Could be a handful of you didn't know what you were doing.  For that vintage of bike, I'd take a YZ250 2-stroke every day of the week.

Also, when was the top end last rebuilt?  Those MX grade thumpers are very particular about regular top end rebuilds.  Trying to stretch it can cost a heap of money (new jug and head).  Another reason I'd take a 2-stroke.  Cheaper top end rebuilds and way cheaper if you do blow the motor.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Do you know how to use the manual decompresser when starting?  And God help you if you stall it when the motor is hot.  Even the newer thumpers don't restart very well hot, but those earlier bikes were awful.

Also, did you ride it on dirt?  The 426 was the first generation of modern 4-stroke MX bikes.  My dad had one back in the day.  I remember it being quite nose heavy, which made it much less nimble in technical stuff compared to 250 2-strokes.  Lots of power, too.  Could be a handful of you didn't know what you were doing.  For that vintage of bike, I'd take a YZ250 2-stroke every day of the week.

Also, when was the top end last rebuilt?  Those MX grade thumpers are very particular about regular top end rebuilds.  Trying to stretch it can cost a heap of money (new jug and head).  Another reason I'd take a 2-stroke.  Cheaper top end rebuilds and way cheaper if you do blow the motor.

I rode my friend's YZ250 2 stroke and did not enjoy it a whole lot.

Yes, I know about the manual decompression lever. My roommate had one back when it was brand new so he knows a lot about the bikes. It has a new head on it (though not sure what condition its in). I'm just not used to kick starting bikes, and while I could kick start my friend's YZ250 after some practice, the 4 stroke seems much harder to do. I also didn't have my MX boots and trying to do it in my thin regular shoes was extra hard. The motor also has a hot start button/pull so it should be OK.

I didn't ride it on dirt, but I've got long legs. I should be OK. I rode my friend's Husky FE501S with lights and that didn't seem bad at all.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 11:07:04 AM
OK, I bought a front tire, throttle tube and cables and grips for the YZ. Still need to buy some hand guards.

I also bought a Double Bubble windscreen, Shogun frame sliders and Pitbull swingarm spools for the FZ.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
I rode my friend's YZ250 2 stroke and did not enjoy it a whole lot.

Yes, I know about the manual decompression lever. My roommate had one back when it was brand new so he knows a lot about the bikes. It has a new head on it (though not sure what condition its in). I'm just not used to kick starting bikes, and while I could kick start my friend's YZ250 after some practice, the 4 stroke seems much harder to do. I also didn't have my MX boots and trying to do it in my thin regular shoes was extra hard. The motor also has a hot start button/pull so it should be OK.

I didn't ride it on dirt, but I've got long legs. I should be OK. I rode my friend's Husky FE501S with lights and that didn't seem bad at all.

Those thumpers kick a lot harder than a 2-stroke.  I grew up kick starting bikes and found those early thumpers tough to kick over, even with proper footwear.  And even with the hot start button, they don't start worth a damn.  20 kicks or more.  Many a pro went from near the front of the pack to a lap down in races because they tipped over or just stalled braking into a corner with those early bikes.

What vintage 250 did you ride and what didn't you like about it?  The ones of the same vintage as the 426 were super tractable.  Best factory 250 2-stroke motors ever made, IMO.  And the chassis and weight balance were way better than the thumpers.  Much less tiring to ride, as well.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
Those thumpers kick a lot harder than a 2-stroke.  I grew up kick starting bikes and found those early thumpers tough to kick over, even with proper footwear.  And even with the hot start button, they don't start worth a damn.  20 kicks or more.  Many a pro went from near the front of the pack to a lap down in races because they tipped over or just stalled braking into a corner with those early bikes.

What vintage 250 did you ride and what didn't you like about it?  The ones of the same vintage as the 426 were super tractable.  Best factory 250 2-stroke motors ever made, IMO.  And the chassis and weight balance were way better than the thumpers.  Much less tiring to ride, as well.

I rode an '02 YZ250. I just don't like how peaky 2 strokes are, since I'm still so new to riding. Yeah, I could get around the trail OK but it was unpredictable, and my roommate said it's not good to keep the engine out of the pipe, and that lugging it could destroy it easily. My friend's 4 stroke Husky was a lot more fun to ride since it would just tractor pull its way out of most situations with me needing to constantly shift.

Also worth noting - I had to get an '02 or older bike since California stopped issuing green stickers after '02. '03 and up dirt bikes for the most part have red stickers, which means you can't use them in public parks for most of the year. Green stickers can be used year round.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 11:37:53 AM
Also worth noting - I sold my WR250X for $5300 and picked the FZ1 up for $5k. I've basically just bought a dirt bike and traded for the FZ. :huh: :lol:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 12:00:30 PM
'02 shouldn't have been very peaky.  Also, on the pipe doesn't mean on the rev limiter.  You can run them safely at mid RPMs without any issues.  I've had 2-stroke Enduro bikes, so they don't have to be screamed.  If you don't like the snappiness, you can play with sprocket sizes.  Probably even get a heavier flywheel.  Whatever, bike is bought and they weren't bad bikes, but as someone with quite a bit of off-road experience and experience with those pre-03 machines, not the bike I'd have gotten.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: FoMoJo on January 03, 2017, 12:12:15 PM
Pretty potent bike I expect. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 12:00:30 PM
'02 shouldn't have been very peaky.  Also, on the pipe doesn't mean on the rev limiter.  You can run them safely at mid RPMs without any issues.  I've had 2-stroke Enduro bikes, so they don't have to be screamed.  If you don't like the snappiness, you can play with sprocket sizes.  Probably even get a heavier flywheel.  Whatever, bike is bought and they weren't bad bikes, but as someone with quite a bit of off-road experience and experience with those pre-03 machines, not the bike I'd have gotten.

I don't think I ever took the YZ to the limiter. You can tell when it's off the pipe, and every time it tried to ramp up in power I'd get scared and upshift, which meant it never got into its powerband and I was just chugging around. I like the powerban  d of a 4 stroke more and honestly a little extra weight isn't going to bother me. Hopefully I can get the thing started, though.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 03, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
If you can't start it, you shouldn't be riding it. :devil:

Don't worry, my bike doesn't even have a kickstart.  Only thing I've ever kick started is mopeds.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
Dammit, I want to get a full exhaust for the FZ now. I can save ~20lb and improve the looks a lot, but I like the way the bike sounds stock.

Plus I'd have to spend more money on the EXUP eliminator and AIS blockoff kit. And then hope I can find a tune for it that works. Sigh.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: SVT_Power on January 03, 2017, 02:06:41 PM
Just buy it
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 02:10:52 PM
NO
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 02:29:37 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 12:29:41 PM
I don't think I ever took the YZ to the limiter. You can tell when it's off the pipe, and every time it tried to ramp up in power I'd get scared and upshift, which meant it never got into its powerband and I was just chugging around. I like the powerban  d of a 4 stroke more and honestly a little extra weight isn't going to bother me. Hopefully I can get the thing started, though.

You should have stayed in it.  250s are actually pretty linear when the come on the pipe.  Especially YZs of that vintage.  The surge isn't much more pronounced than a 4-stroke when it comes into its power band.

Also, they are on the pipe by 4000-4500 rpm.  Considering they idle at 1500-2000, you must have really been puttering around if you never got it onto the pipe.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 02:29:37 PM
You should have stayed in it.  250s are actually pretty linear when the come on the pipe.  Especially YZs of that vintage.  The surge isn't much more pronounced than a 4-stroke when it comes into its power band.

Also, they are on the pipe by 4000-4500 rpm.  Considering they idle at 1500-2000, you must have really been puttering around if you never got it onto the pipe.

Let's just say it kept dying because I'd try and coast everywhere with the clutch pulled in and it didn't like to idle. :lol:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 02:31:38 PM
Let's just say it kept dying because I'd try and coast everywhere with the clutch pulled in and it didn't like to idle. :lol:

If you were that intimidated by a 250 smoker, a 426 probably isn't the best bike for you.  It's not just a matter of intentionally keeping the bike at low RPMs.  Unlike the street, you don't always have the same level of control when the going gets rough (see: "Whiskey Throttle"). 

I'd recommend looking for a WR426 ignition box.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 04:06:58 PM
If you were that intimidated by a 250 smoker, a 426 probably isn't the best bike for you.  It's not just a matter of intentionally keeping the bike at low RPMs.  Unlike the street, you don't always have the same level of control when the going gets rough (see: "Whiskey Throttle"). 

I'd recommend looking for a WR426 ignition box.

I've only gone dirt biking twice in my life, and the first time was over two years ago. Sorry I was "that" intimidated by a 250 2 stroke. :huh:

I'm mainly scared of going downhill but I think with some practice I will be OK.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
I've only gone dirt biking twice in my life, and the first time was over two years ago. Sorry I was "that" intimidated by a 250 2 stroke. :huh:

I'm mainly scared of going downhill but I think with some practice I will be OK.

I'm not trying to put you down.  Just saying that the 426 is MORE powerful than a 250 smoker, and therefore MORE likely to get you in over your head.  The 426 had near 500 2-stroke power (I've ridden both).  On dirt, if you're not comfortable intentionally going WOT with the bike you're on, it's too much bike for you.  I've spent a lot of time on dirt (from 8 years old until my early 20s).  Rode and raced in the woods, on gravel, baked clay, wet clay, deep muck, ruts up to the footpegs, sand...  Been the victim of Whiskey Throttle numerous times.  One time, the throttle actually jammed wide open on me when I Whiskey Throttled after hitting a bump/dip wrong on a narrow trail in the woods (like barely wide enough for an ATV, too narrow for many side x sides).  Wasn't going that fast nor was I intending to go full throttle, but when the bike dropped into a G-out unexpectedly hard, I ended up twisting the grip when my body soaked up the impact, and then went rocketing off into the trees.  Things can get real in a hurry whether intentional or not.  The "just don't twist the throttle more than halfway" approach that street riders who get a bit more bike than they're really ready for employ doesn't work as well on the dirt.

If you're truly that new to dirt, you really shouldn't be on a 40+ hp machine.  You should be on a 125 smoker or 250 thumper.  But, like I said, the bike is bought.  I would seriously consider getting a WR ignition box for it.  The WR CDI mellows the power of the 426 considerably.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: SVT_Power on January 03, 2017, 05:12:15 PM
RIP Rags
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 05:12:50 PM
Is Whiskey Throttle what happens when you ride drunk?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 05:12:50 PM
Is Whiskey Throttle what happens when you ride drunk?

This is a textbook example of Whiskey Throttle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw)
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 05:26:24 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
I'm not trying to put you down.  Just saying that the 426 is MORE powerful than a 250 smoker, and therefore MORE likely to get you in over your head.  The 426 had near 500 2-stroke power (I've ridden both).  On dirt, if you're not comfortable intentionally going WOT with the bike you're on, it's too much bike for you.  I've spent a lot of time on dirt (from 8 years old until my early 20s).  Rode and raced in the woods, on gravel, baked clay, wet clay, deep muck, ruts up to the footpegs, sand...  Been the victim of Whiskey Throttle numerous times.  One time, the throttle actually jammed wide open on me when I Whiskey Throttled after hitting a bump/dip wrong on a narrow trail in the woods (like barely wide enough for an ATV, too narrow for many side x sides).  Wasn't going that fast nor was I intending to go full throttle, but when the bike dropped into a G-out unexpectedly hard, I ended up twisting the grip when my body soaked up the impact, and then went rocketing off into the trees.  Things can get real in a hurry whether intentional or not.  The "just don't twist the throttle more than halfway" approach that street riders who get a bit more bike than they're really ready for employ doesn't work as well on the dirt.

If you're truly that new to dirt, you really shouldn't be on a 40+ hp machine.  You should be on a 125 smoker or 250 thumper.  But, like I said, the bike is bought.  I would seriously consider getting a WR ignition box for it.  The WR CDI mellows the power of the 426 considerably.

I just don't like the "hit" of the 2 stroke. It was fun to open it up on the uphills but it seemed pretty crappy otherwise. My friend's Husky FE501S was a lot more fun and easier for me to ride since I could just ride it in a gear or two higher and have the torque pull me out of slow spots instead of trying to control a 2 stroke 250.

I definitely would have liked a 250 4 stroke, but again, thanks to California being a dickhead, I can't get a 250 4 stroke without losing half or more of the year. Honda made the CRF250 starting in '04, and the YZ250F and WR250F are hard to find since only the '01-02 model years are green sticker. Really the only way to go riding year round otherwise is to buy a fully plated dual sport (which is also $$$ and heavy), so from my limited options I got what I thought was the best. My roommate having had experience with them also was a plus.

Also, the buyer of the WR250X and the seller of the FZ1 both have YZ426's.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 03, 2017, 05:31:34 PM
ur gonna have so much fun shitting your pants.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Also, FZ needs a battery. It barely cranked over today morning.

Do I buy a Yuasa OEM replacement for $100 or spend $170 on a lithium Shorai and save 6 lb?

This bike is 485lb wet. It needs to go on a diet. Battery + center stand will lower that to 473lb.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 05:26:24 PM
I just don't like the "hit" of the 2 stroke. It was fun to open it up on the uphills but it seemed pretty crappy otherwise. My friend's Husky FE501S was a lot more fun and easier for me to ride since I could just ride it in a gear or two higher and have the torque pull me out of slow spots instead of trying to control a 2 stroke 250.

Lugging a 4-stroke is just as hard on the engine as lugging a 2-stroke...

QuoteI definitely would have liked a 250 4 stroke, but again, thanks to California being a dickhead, I can't get a 250 4 stroke without losing half or more of the year. Honda made the CRF250 starting in '04, and the YZ250F and WR250F are hard to find since only the '01-02 model years are green sticker. Really the only way to go riding year round otherwise is to buy a fully plated dual sport (which is also $$$ and heavy), so from my limited options I got what I thought was the best. My roommate having had experience with them also was a plus.

For someone with your experience level who doesn't like 2-strokes, I'd have recommended a later XR250R ('96 or later).  Lighter than a YZ426, mellow power delivery, bulletproof reliability.

QuoteAlso, the buyer of the WR250X and the seller of the FZ1 both have YZ426's.

So?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
This is a textbook example of Whiskey Throttle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw)

Throttle stuck? Or just brain fart?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
Lugging a 4-stroke is just as hard on the engine as lugging a 2-stroke...

Yeah, but if it's not as peaky at least it's easier to manage. I also want to learn to rebuild engines and do more intensive maintenance, which was another reason to get a dirt bike.

Quote
For someone with your experience level who doesn't like 2-strokes, I'd have recommended a later XR250R ('96 or later).  Lighter than a YZ426, mellow power delivery, bulletproof reliability.

XR's are all a lot older and more expensive than my YZ.

Quote
So?

Nothing, I just thought it was interesting, since I had never heard of the 426 till after I started looking into them to buy one, and these two guys randomly had them as well. I wasn't trying to use them as to why it was a good idea for me to buy one. :huh:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 03, 2017, 05:54:24 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
This is a textbook example of Whiskey Throttle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_vhArtaXw)

Also happens to first time riders.  They crack the throttle, aren't expecting the power, and just hold on for dear life.

https://youtu.be/kbln-iAIVHM

https://youtu.be/nunIzIzM72U

Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
Yeah, but if it's not as peaky at least it's easier to manage. I also want to learn to rebuild engines and do more intensive maintenance, which was another reason to get a dirt bike.

Rebuilding thumpers is expensive.  Hundreds of dollars for a top end.  You can rebuild a 2-stroke for like $100.  Granted, if you want to learn how to adjust valves and such, a 426 is a good place to learn.

Also, if you're interested in working maintenance, I'd start by tearing the rear suspension linkage and steering head apart and greasing all of the bearings.  That was a yearly ritual for me.

QuoteXR's are all a lot older and more expensive than my YZ.

They updated them in '96 and sold through '04 before replacing it with the CRF250.  Yeah, it's an older design, but you're not at the level to really take advantage of what the YZ426 offers above an older XR250.  The 426 is a full-blown, open-class race bike, built to meet motocross homologation rules, intended for experienced racers.

QuoteNothing, I just thought it was interesting, since I had never heard of the 426 till after I started looking into them to buy one, and these two guys randomly had them as well. I wasn't trying to use them as to why it was a good idea for me to buy one. :huh:

They were kind of a blip.  They only built them for 2 years as a sort of stop-gap between the original YZ400F and the later 450.  Given CA's restrictive offroad limitations, not surprising they're pretty popular there.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Rebuilding thumpers is expensive.  Hundreds of dollars for a top end.  You can rebuild a 2-stroke for like $100.  Granted, if you want to learn how to adjust valves and such, a 426 is a good place to learn.

Also, if you're interested in working maintenance, I'd start by tearing the rear suspension linkage and steering head apart and greasing all of the bearings.  That was a yearly ritual for me.

They updated them in '96 and sold through '04 before replacing it with the CRF250.  Yeah, it's an older design, but you're not at the level to really take advantage of what the YZ426 offers above an older XR250.  The 426 is a full-blown, open-class race bike, built to meet motocross homologation rules, intended for experienced racers.

They were kind of a blip.  They only built them for 2 years as a sort of stop-gap between the original YZ400F and the later 450.  Given CA's restrictive offroad limitations, not surprising they're pretty popular there.

Well, it's got a newer head so hopefully it's OK for now. I do want to strip the bike down to the frame over the summer, clean everything up and replace all the bearings/bushings and put it back together.

And yes, the XR (and a number of other bikes) probably would've been better suited for me, but given the restricted market and the decent deal I got for this one ($1250), I'm not going to complain. I also feel like I'm not a complete idiot on a bike and will hopefully be able to manage.


Anyways, it's actually been raining like crazy here yesterday and today. I haven't actually ridden the FZ1 in the complete dry yet, and today it was raining hard enough that intersections started getting flooded. It would've been nice to have more time getting accustomed to a 150 hp motorcycle before having to split lanes at night in the wet, especially coming off of a 30 hp motorcycle, but oh well.

I can't wait till it stops raining so I can try to open it up a bit.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 12:23:27 AM
The bars on the YZ were cut down so I've ordered a new bar and No Toil air filter. I also ordered a fuel petcock rebuild kit. Hopefully I don't need too much more in terms of parts to start riding.

Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
So, BMC air filter + airbox mod, AIS delete, Ivan's ECU flash and PowerCommander tune and Yoshimura full exhaust will get me to 150 WHP.

I want to call tomorrow to see how much it'll cost for everything minus the PC (bike came with a PCIII) and then see if I can piece meal it cheaper and just get the ECU flash and tune. I probably shouldn't, but I think it's been well proven that I'm an idiot. :lol:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
So, BMC air filter + airbox mod, AIS delete, Ivan's ECU flash and PowerCommander tune and Yoshimura full exhaust will get me to 150 WHP.
I want to call tomorrow to see how much it'll cost for everything minus the PC (bike came with a PCIII) and then see if I can piece meal it cheaper and just get the ECU flash and tune. I probably shouldn't, but I think it's been well proven that I'm an idiot. :lol:

Do you think that's enough power for your commute? I would seriously consider a turbo kit if I was you. Try to end up with at least 200 WHP.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 06:59:43 PM
Do you think that's enough power for your commute? I would seriously consider a turbo kit if I was you. Try to end up with at least 200 WHP.

:lol:

Right now it sounds like a jet engine taking off when I get on it. It's so much fun.

I just installed the sliders, swingarm spools and took the center stand off.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
Hmm, I can shave a few grams by getting flush mount turn signals and an integrated tail light. :lol:

For the price of those I'd rather get the battery first, though. I should also start piece mealing all the parts needed for mad power gains.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 05, 2017, 11:41:48 AM
Welp, I was being tailgated by a Mazda3 on the highway today. Once the left lane camper moved over, I rolled on the throttle halfway for a couple seconds. Looked down and I was doing 125. :mask:

Do I really need an extra 20 whp? :pullover:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 05, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 05, 2017, 11:41:48 AM
Welp, I was being tailgated by a Mazda3 on the highway today. Once the left lane camper moved over, I rolled on the throttle halfway for a couple seconds. Looked down and I was doing 125. :mask:

Do I really need an extra 20 whp? :pullover:

More is better.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 05, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
Need? Lol no
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 05, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
Welp, the battery was toast when I was trying to leave work today. Tried to bump start it but it wouldn't work. A co-worker luckily had some cables and I got it started.

I hope it's just the battery (which I told was original) and not an electrical leak somewhere draining the battery. The battery was still super weak even after I pulled it off the charger this morning.

Time to drop $170 on a new battery. Sigh.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 07:36:38 PM
Between yesterday and today I pulled the rear subframe off the bike, took the airbox off and completely cleaned the inside. Took me almost two days of on and off cleaning to clean through that 16 year old dirt. :lol:

Put a new air filter in and then installed new Pro Taper handlebars, throttle cables and throttle tube. Still have to put the grips and hand guards on tomorrow. I also rebuilt the petcock but didn't really know what I was doing so we'll see if it leaks or not. :mask:

Also I don't know how to adjust these throttle cables so I have to go mess with them some more tomorrow. Maybe I'll just get my roommates to show me how to do it.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
What a bunch of shenanigans. How much HP did you gain?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
What a bunch of shenanigans. How much HP did you gain?

None, since I still can't start it yet. :lol: :hammerhead:
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
None, since I still can't start it yet. :lol: :hammerhead:

Is this dertberk er ErfZerWern?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
Is this dertberk er ErfZerWern?

Dertberk. FZ doesn't have a petcock. :nono:

FZ just got a $$$ battery put into it. At least it is light weight for racing purposes.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Do you realize how fast that bike is, yet?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Do you realize how fast that bike is, yet?

Not fast enough to convince me I don't need an exhaust and tune for it.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: giant_mtb on January 07, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
Is it a push-pull trottle cable?
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
Yep, but for some reason it doesn't spring back properly and I can't figure out if the pull cable is too stiff or the push cable is too loose.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 13, 2017, 10:38:51 AM
Damn, 33 MPG out of the last tank on the FZ. :cry: :lol:

I think I'll bleed the brakes and change the oil on the FZ tomorrow, and then throw the rest of the YZ together (just needs one grip/handguard put on and the tank and seat), try to start it and change the oil on that too.
Title: Re: My new year's motorcycle shenanigans
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2017, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 13, 2017, 10:38:51 AM
Damn, 33 MPG out of the last tank on the FZ. :cry: :lol:

I think I'll bleed the brakes and change the oil on the FZ tomorrow, and then throw the rest of the YZ together (just needs one grip/handguard put on and the tank and seat), try to start it and change the oil on that too.

33? That is Versa S territory.