San Francisco- General Motors North American President Mark Reuss says the automaker will unveil a vehicle based on the Chevrolet Camaro platform.
Reuss said GM will show off the new vehicle at the Chicago auto show next week. He said it's GM planned to unveil at least one other new vehicle at the show.
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"It will be fun," Reuss said told reporters. "I'm not going to give you guys any product information other than what I gave (in the presentation.) I'd ruin the whole show."
The company will advertise the Camaro in one of its six ads it will run during the Super Bowl.
He also said GM's Chevrolet Volt sales over the last two months were somewhat low because GM is working to get demonstration Volts to dealers.
"We're filling the dealer demo program so that all Chevrolet dealers have a chance to get the 'halo' effect to sell more cars," Reuss said. "It drives sales."
He said GM was "pretty much flat" on incentive spending in January but said GM would no longer disclose incentive spending. "We gave too much," Reuss said. "We're in a very competitive business and we're here to win
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110204/AUTO01/102040420/GM-to-debut-Camaro-based-car-at-Chicago-auto-show#ixzz1DDWv31pr
ATS.
Chicago is a small show, so showing the ATS will steal the show and make everyone focus on it.
The ATS isn't a zeta car though, it's alpha.
Knowing GM, it probably will use a shortened Zeta.
Knowing GM they will likely talk a big game about selling the car and then never do it.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 06, 2011, 05:00:45 PM
Knowing GM, it probably will use a shortened Zeta.
No ATS and Camaro will be on alpha.
Firebird.
Lumina.
Can it have a trunk rack?
Quote from: Mustangfan2003 on February 06, 2011, 05:14:26 PM
Knowing GM they will likely talk a big game about selling the car and then never do it. rush to market a product that is sabotaged by horrific dealer network and a few major obvious flaws, then cancel it two years later and say "SEE? Americans don't like RWD! They only buy boring cars!"
Oh, THAT Zeta!
I thought you were talking about this. :praise:
(http://www.autoplenum.de/Bilder/P/p0009513/LANCIA/LANCIA-Zeta-2-0-16V--2000-2002-.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on February 07, 2011, 08:41:22 AM
When did that happen?
G8, GTO to a lesser degree, SSR, STS to a lesser degree...
I forgot about the G8.
STS did well upon introduction. It's just old now.
SSR was a niche halo car. Don't understand why people called it a sales failure....it wasn't exactly a practical car.
GTO? Wrong name.
G8? Should have been called "Chevy Impala".
TTTT, I always liked the STS over the CTS. The STS looked a bit classier. Heck, I even liked the old FWD STS. One of my favorite Cadillacs.
The STS had a terrible back seat for its size, it wasn't defined as a Lexus LS competitor (for which it would be too small) or a 5er competitor (for which it would be too big), and, most of all, it was never defined as a segment leader.
It had all of the makings of a great car, but GM never fine-tuned the details.
The CTS going upmarket next generation to take over for the STS is exactly what GM needs to do.
The STS definitely looked cleaner. The current CTS looks a bit bloated. I like the old CTS over both though.
Looking forward to this ATS or w/e the fuck it's gonna be called.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 07, 2011, 08:50:49 AM
G8, GTO to a lesser degree, SSR, STS to a lesser degree...
You forgot the Kappa twins. Oh, and they killed the Fiero just when they finally got it right.
Quote from: MX793 on February 07, 2011, 06:15:36 PM
You forgot the Kappa twins. Oh, and they killed the Fiero just when they finally got it right.
I dunno, the Kappa twins were more about the cost of making the thing.
maybe Cadillac is coming to their senses and using the Zeta chassis for the XTS
Quote from: 2o6 on February 07, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
I dunno, the Kappa twins were more about the cost of making the thing.
I really do wonder that after all of the R&D costs put into it if it was really cheaper to stop production on a car like that, especially considering how well it was selling.
And I wonder what a decent break-even point on it would've been, MSRP-wise. I hope DeLorean buys the tooling for it eventually.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 07, 2011, 09:00:32 AM
Develop a friggin specific strategy for Cadillac and (North America) BuickThe CTS going upmarket next generation to take over for the STS is exactly what GM needs to do.
What the hell is GM doing?
For example, the XTS:
-Who are its customers?
-Which cars will it be competing with/is it a unique, niche product?
-How will it increase Cadillac's sales?
I dunno :huh: And I don't think GM knows either.
-Customers that are interested in Xtreme Touring.
-The Chevrolet Xtreme.
-Ask GM's business consultants, the Underpants Gnomes.
Could it be something as straightforward as the Z28?
It's a ZL1.
Quote from: omicron on February 08, 2011, 06:03:42 AM
Could it be something as straightforward as the Z28?
No, that's coming this summer with the CTS-V engine.
Quote from: CJ on February 09, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
It's a ZL1.
You're right. Why they chose that over Z28...
I'm still waiting to see if there's an actual sedan though.
Quote from: Rockraven on February 09, 2011, 01:58:56 PM
You're right. Why they chose that over Z28...
I'm still waiting to see if there's an actual sedan though.
ZL1 was a big block version in 1969, the rarest and most powerful Camaro of that time (and probably up until now). Z28 was more of an all-around performance model, not just a big motor crammed in the engine bay. So the name kind of fits, with the new car having the most powerful engine yet.
Quote from: hotrodalex on February 09, 2011, 05:57:10 PM
ZL1 was a big block version in 1969, the rarest and most powerful Camaro of that time (and probably up until now). Z28 was more of an all-around performance model, not just a big motor crammed in the engine bay. So the name kind of fits, with the new car having the most powerful engine yet.
Yeah, only 69 were made, but Z28 is what people know. It's synonymous with Camaro.
The Z28 was originally intended as a homologation special for Trans Am racing. It wasn't a big-motored, super-powered version of the Camaro. Its engine was actually the smallest of the available V8s in the Camaro (302ci, destroked version of the hi-po 327) and was intended as a factory-ready road racer. I think ZL1 is more fitting for the new car than Z28.
Quote from: MX793 on February 09, 2011, 06:06:16 PM
The Z28 was originally intended as a homologation special for Trans Am racing. It wasn't a big-motored, super-powered version of the Camaro. Its engine was actually the smallest of the available V8s in the Camaro (302ci, destroked version of the hi-po 327) and was intended as a factory-ready road racer. I think ZL1 is more fitting for the new car than Z28.
I disagree (not with your facts... those I agree with) in that most people know the top Camaro as being the Z28. From a marketing standpoint, calling it Z28 would have made more sense, because people identify with it. Not a lot of people know what a ZL1 is.
Wasn't the top Camaro the SS?
Quote from: SVT666 on February 09, 2011, 06:30:43 PM
Wasn't the top Camaro the SS?
Goes back and forth between the SS and Z28.
And I agree that the Z28 name is more popular and recognizable. The ZL1 name still makes sense, though.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 09, 2011, 06:30:43 PM
Wasn't the top Camaro the SS?
From the 70's all the way to 2002, it was the Z28. Except for a short time in the 80's when it was the IROC-Z.
No, at least after the facelift the fourth Gen top dog was SS
Quote from: 68_427 on February 09, 2011, 06:57:58 PM
No, at least after the facelift the fourth Gen top dog was SS
Ah yeah, the last few years it was SS. My bad.
But it's essentially the same engine as the ZR1. So they'll call this the ZL1.
Not too big of a deal...other than the rarity factor...
What is with GM and all this Z## shit?
Ron Zarella? Zora Arkus Dontov?
Z71, Z72, ZL1, ZR1, Z06, Z28, Z24, Z26, Z51...I can't think of too many more...
...GM used to have a Z-code for all of its Chevy products on some trim level or another. Some were just more popular than others.
I'm fairly sure that (in most cases) they're the Regular Production Order (RPO) codes that have found their way into popular usage - in '69, for example, optional power windows were A31, power disc brakes JL8, the RS appearance package Z22, the SS package Z27, and Z28 is a so-called Special Performance package - which is why combinations like RS/SS and RS/Z28 exist.
The special 427ci V8 is an interesting one - technically not available in the first-gen Camaro but available for Corvette as RPO ZL1. Sneaky dealers used the Central Office Production Order system to order engines separate from cars for the first year, until Chevrolet got in on the act for a year or two and snuck a few under the hood in the factory when no-one from head office was looking.
I'd hazard a guess that at some point the most well-known ceased to be the actual engine order code and instead became model designations in themselves - a ZR1 these days has an LS6 engine, but ZR1 could be the code for the appearance package, perhaps, or it could have absolutely nothing to do with the car at all.
This isn't just a GM thing, of course - one of the most famous Australian Falcon models is known as RPO 83, which arose after the planned '72 XA Phase IV GTHO was abruptly cancelled, and the various parts earmarked for the model (four-wheel discs, larger carburettor, winged sump etc.) had to be disposed of down the production line so that the parts could still be homologated for racing.