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http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/2013-new-york-auto-show/nyias13-2013-subaru-wrx-concept (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/2013-new-york-auto-show/nyias13-2013-subaru-wrx-concept)
Looks decent, but at the same time, too much like something I've seen before.
I don't like the rising beltline and high trunk but I will overlook that bc it looks awesome otherwise.
Looks cool.
But it'll be ruined by dudes with lids.
I kind of like that.
Unique, glad they are separating it
I am a fan so far
Nice pics.
Those Wheels Are Super Expensive.
No Idea Why My Phone Is Capitalizing Every First Letter Right Now. Jellh Beaners Help Me Out Please.
Quote from: 68_427 on March 26, 2013, 06:40:35 PM
Those Wheels Are Super Expensive.
No Idea Why My Phone Is Capitalizing Every First Letter Right Now. Jellh Beaners Help Me Out Please.
Get an iPhone.
(I have Jelly Bean, so there.)
I like it from the A piller forward. The profile is not flattering at all, IMO.
Bring back the bugeye lights!
Those neon yellow accents are sweet
I dig it.
(http://i.imgur.com/n9DhIxc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DjayJQp.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8zNOUJy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HyOtxe4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nTD7adO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/05RjPiP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ji7aZkY.jpg)
If something happened to my RX-8 then this would probably be the car I'd replace it with.
I miss the blobeye and the hawkeye. This looks pretty good, but not as good as those two.
Seriously?? The Aston Martin/ Ford Fusion grille shape???? :facepalm:
Otherwise I really like it.
it's not even close to an Aston grille shape. And really, neither is the Fusion. The Aston grille doesn't merely have a notch at the upper corners, it actually steps down (and has since the '50s) and then goes out under the headlights. The Fusion and the Subi both have the headlights go out FROM the grill, whixch isn't as wide as the Aston and has no stepdowns at the upper outside edges.
(http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/2012/09/11/1347369501.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/05RjPiP.jpg)
if anything, it's closer to the Jag XF:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/1104_2012_jaguar_xf_drive/36600129/2012-jaguar-xf-frontal-view.jpg)
But even then, it's more angular.
Quote from: ChrisV on March 29, 2013, 10:16:45 AM
it's not even close to an Aston grille shape. And really, neither is the Fusion. The Aston grille doesn't merely have a notch at the upper corners, it actually steps down (and has since the '50s) and then goes out under the headlights. The Fusion and the Subi both have the headlights go out FROM the grill, whixch isn't as wide as the Aston and has no stepdowns at the upper outside edges.
(http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/2012/09/11/1347369501.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/05RjPiP.jpg)
if anything, it's closer to the Jag XF:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/1104_2012_jaguar_xf_drive/36600129/2012-jaguar-xf-frontal-view.jpg)
But even then, it's more angular.
I agree with you about the XF/WRX, but I think it is pretty clear the fusion shares a VERY similar grille design to modern Astons:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/2013_Ford_Fusion_Titanium_--_2012_NYIAS.JPG/280px-2013_Ford_Fusion_Titanium_--_2012_NYIAS.JPG)
(http://www.topcarrating.com/aston-martin/2011-aston-martin-virage-7.jpg)
(http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2013/01/Aston-Martin-Rapide-S-right-front-1.jpg)
Some of that side surfacing is resolved really, really strangely. Reads really strange from some abgles near the middle of the greenhouse.
I don't like the Bangle Butt and the tiny rear window. I wish they'd just get rid of some of the side surfacing or tone it down a bit, make the belt line straight and cut off that weird bangle 7 series ass thing at the top of the trunk.
Quote from: Raza on March 29, 2013, 07:00:08 AM
I miss the blobeye and the hawkeye. This looks pretty good, but not as good as those two.
Fuck the blobeye, bugeye's where its at.
I don't mind this. I just wish the beltline was a little lower and had a bit larger windows.
Keep the exact styling, add a nice interior, subtract the usual imprezza feel of econobox, and I will rock this...
Quote from: r0tor on March 29, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Keep the exact styling, add a nice interior, subtract the usual imprezza feel of econobox, and I will rock this...
Yes, with the RX cars gone this would be the only thing out there I could buy really. I hope they don't make the STi one look too riced out with a spoiler large enough for a family to have lunch off of.
Unlike the last couple of generations of Impreza (and WRX), this one actually looks like it was designed to be a sedan rather than a hatchback design converted to a sedan. It looks all the better for it.
I wonder if they will make the sedan version more street bred and a hatchback version for the rally crowd?
Looking closer at this and I think most of all my hopes will be squashed with the production version... no way subaru can pull off those front and rear overhangs that make it look so good with their awd system.
Keep hope alive. My 8 has almost 50K on it and by the time these things come out it will have almost 100K. And we all know I'll need three motors by then so I'll need something to buy! This is the only thing coming out that I even give a poo about.
I hope my friend gets one.
Quote from: Onslaught on March 29, 2013, 06:09:35 PM
Keep hope alive. My 8 has almost 50K on it and by the time these things come out it will have almost 100K. And we all know I'll need three motors by then so I'll need something to buy! This is the only thing coming out that I even give a poo about.
BRZ
Quote from: r0tor on March 29, 2013, 06:01:24 PM
Looking closer at this and I think most of all my hopes will be squashed with the production version... no way subaru can pull off those front and rear overhangs that make it look so good with their awd system.
Looking closer, I almost wonder if the concept isn't built on BRZ underpinnings.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 29, 2013, 06:57:57 PM
BRZ
I really like the BRZ. I very happy they make it. But I'm not sure it's for me.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 29, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
I don't like the Bangle Butt and the tiny rear window. I wish they'd just get rid of some of the side surfacing or tone it down a bit, make the belt line straight and cut off that weird bangle 7 series ass thing at the top of the trunk.
The actual Bangle butt looks fine to me, but the lead up to it (upper quarter panels) is all messed up. Too many creases and body lines.
I think the BRZ is overall a better package, though a "pure" Subie with AWD is nice too. If they do as nice a job with the interior and creature comforts in this as they did with the BRZ, a lot of people are going to have a tough time making a choice.
I like this a lot. Not sure I could ever picture myself driving that, but it looks great.
Quote from: thewizard16 on March 30, 2013, 12:24:27 AM
I like this a lot. Not sure I could ever picture myself driving that, but it looks great.
My thoughts exactly. I really like it, but I would never buy it.
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
Looking closer, I almost wonder if the concept isn't built on BRZ underpinnings.
I actually wonder if its even on a real chassis
Quote from: r0tor on March 30, 2013, 09:23:11 AM
I actually wonder if its even on a real chassis
There's that, too...
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2013, 03:23:47 PM
Unlike the last couple of generations of Impreza (and WRX), this one actually looks like it was designed to be a sedan rather than a hatchback design converted to a sedan. It looks all the better for it.
+1
Quote from: r0tor on March 29, 2013, 06:01:24 PM
Looking closer at this and I think most of all my hopes will be squashed with the production version... no way subaru can pull off those front and rear overhangs that make it look so good with their awd system.
You want more or less overhang???
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 30, 2013, 09:43:15 AM
+1
You want more or less overhang???
He's saying there's no way they can keep that small of a front overhang while also having AWD. AWD has the same problems as FWD with proportions. The front wheel is usually pushed back near the leading edge of the front door and the front overhang is pretty huge so they can fit all the FWD stuff in there.
See:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STi-Side-Hills-1280x960.jpg)
(http://downloads.xdesktopwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-Car-Blue-Side-Pose.jpg)
Big front overhangs. This WRX concept has a very RWD stance.
Quote from: Onslaught on March 29, 2013, 06:09:35 PM
Keep hope alive. My 8 has almost 50K on it and by the time these things come out it will have almost 100K. And we all know I'll need three motors by then so I'll need something to buy! This is the only thing coming out that I even give a poo about.
I hear you... my car will br 10 years old this summer. Still love it, but its getting old.
The only thing that has caught my eye to date is the new 335i with MSport package... price though means I would need to wait a few years and snag a CPO
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 29, 2013, 11:54:41 AM
Fuck the blobeye, bugeye's where its at.
Ugh, I do not like the bugeye.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 30, 2013, 10:00:15 AM
He's saying there's no way they can keep that small of a front overhang while also having AWD. AWD has the same problems as FWD with proportions. The front wheel is usually pushed back near the leading edge of the front door and the front overhang is pretty huge so they can fit all the FWD stuff in there.
See:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STi-Side-Hills-1280x960.jpg)
(http://downloads.xdesktopwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-Car-Blue-Side-Pose.jpg)
Big front overhangs. This WRX concept has a very RWD stance.
Not all AWD systems require large overhangs. Subaru's does (as does Audi's and some others) because it's ultimately built around a FWD layout. Before they went 100% AWD in the early to mid 90s, you could get 2WD Subies and they were FWD. AWD BMW 3 series or Infiniti Gs don't have the same large front overhangs of FWD based cars.
Quote from: MX793 on March 30, 2013, 11:43:21 AM
Not all AWD systems require large overhangs. Subaru's does (as does Audi's and some others) because it's ultimately built around a FWD layout. Before they went 100% AWD in the early to mid 90s, you could get 2WD Subies and they were FWD. AWD BMW 3 series or Infiniti Gs don't have the same large front overhangs of FWD based cars.
Yeah, that's what I meant. IIRC the BMW layout is just an FR transmission behind the engine with a transfer case mounted between it and the driveshaft with another driveshaft going to the front whereas the Subaru version is a FWD transmission under the engine with a transfer case attached to it going to the back.
I can't see Subaru redesigning their entire AWD system just to get the proportions like the WRX show car...
Quote from: thecarnut on March 30, 2013, 12:28:38 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant. IIRC the BMW layout is just an FR transmission behind the engine with a transfer case mounted between it and the driveshaft with another driveshaft going to the front whereas the Subaru version is a FWD transmission under the engine with a transfer case attached to it going to the back.
I can't see Subaru redesigning their entire AWD system just to get the proportions like the WRX show car...
Maybe it's a more monumental change for their performance cars in the future? I mean, the BRZ existed because they were playing with getting the boxer engine as low and as far back in a Legacy as they could.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic. Either way, this looks fantastic.
Hoping for 275 hp and DSG for the base WRX and sub $30k. STI for around $40k with 350 hp and adjustable differentials? A WRX hatch with DSG would be an awesome vehicle to go with the BRZ.
Quote from: MrH on March 30, 2013, 04:31:17 PM
Maybe it's a more monumental change for their performance cars in the future? I mean, the BRZ existed because they were playing with getting the boxer engine as low and as far back in a Legacy as they could.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic. Either way, this looks fantastic.
Hoping for 275 hp and DSG for the base WRX and sub $30k. STI for around $40k with 350 hp and adjustable differentials? A WRX hatch with DSG would be an awesome vehicle to go with the BRZ.
It's on its own platform, right? I know it's supposed to be differentiated from the Impreza but seems crazy that they give it an all new platform. I thought the BRZ already had enough problems with space under the hood. I don't know if they could have used the BRZ chassis and added extra front driveshafts on that.
Seems pretty extreme to design a new transfer case and transmission (at the very least) for their halo/rally cars. Speaking of pricing, a WRX with 275+ hp and a true 6 speed manual for under $30k would be awesome. That's pretty much EvoX territory. The STI would be untouchable in that segment.
They would need to switch to asymmetrical awd to pull this off... How I pity their marketing people
Quote from: thecarnut on March 30, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
It's on its own platform, right? I know it's supposed to be differentiated from the Impreza but seems crazy that they give it an all new platform. I thought the BRZ already had enough problems with space under the hood. I don't know if they could have used the BRZ chassis and added extra front driveshafts on that.
They could raise the hoodline to buy themselves more space. The BRZ's problem is that the hood is so low, there's not a lot of vertical space (particularly when you factor in the air space requirements for pedestrian safety). The engine bay otherwise isn't that small.