2015 TLX is on sale and 2016 ILX has been revealed in production form
Hmmmm
Wonder if this is gonna happen :popcorn:
You wonder?
Really?
Few folks were angry at the suggestion that Honda might make a fool of all of us a 3rd time
"B-b-b-but they made a commercial!"
"I have heard from VERY important people that this is gonna happen"
"You'll SEE!!!!!!"
:popcorn:
mmhmm,
The NSX will be hitting streets right around the time nissan drops a turbocharged S chassis replacement that weights 2500lbs and starts at $18,999.
Honda might be feeling a little apprehensive after the CRZ fiasco. No matter what techno g-whizzery they put into it, the new NSX needs to be a proper sportscar and pay proper homage to the original.
They seemed confident enough to get Seinfeld to do a Super Bowl commercial..........................
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2014, 01:54:39 PM
They seemed confident enough to get Seinfeld to do a Super Bowl commercial..........................
Yeah but I'm talking about the delay to this point. It's possible they're happy with it now.
Honda will release the NSX the same day Dr. Dre releases Detox.........
I wonder if cars like the Corvette C7 are a bit problematic from Honda's point of view?
Quote from: Galaxy on November 28, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
I wonder if cars like the Corvette C7 are a bit problematic from Honda's point of view?
No question. On the other end of the scale, there's the BMW i8 to worry about.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 28, 2014, 05:28:54 PM
Honda will release the NSX the same day Dr. Dre releases Detox.........
Lol I have heard that joke a few times today.
Quote from: Galaxy on November 28, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
I wonder if cars like the Corvette C7 are a bit problematic from Honda's point of view?
For 100K I bet they could make sure the NSX wouldn't overheat :pee:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 28, 2014, 05:28:54 PM
Honda will release the NSX the same day Dr. Dre releases Detox.........
That'll be a good day!!
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
For 100K I bet they could make sure the NSX wouldn't overheat :pee:
Yeah it's easy to keep an Accord coupe cool.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
For 100K I bet they could make sure the NSX wouldn't overheat :pee:
Yeah.
Oh wait...
(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/new-photos-shed-light-on-2015-acura-nsx-prototype-fire-at-the-nurburgring_7.jpg)
Are overheating and raging inferno the same thing?
I live like 45 minutes away from Marysville, OH.
I know a few guys who work at Honda.
Sporty, why you talking so much shit?
Quote from: 2o6 on November 28, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
I live like 45 minutes away from Marysville, OH.
I know a few guys who work at Honda.
Sporty, why you talking so much shit?
My uncle is the manager of a big Honda dealership in Maryland.
Check.
Mate.
And I talk shit to spice it up. This place would be lima beans, brown rice and boiled chicken breast without me.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
My uncle is the manager of a big Honda dealership in Maryland.
Check.
Mate.
And I talk shit to spice it up. This place would be lima beans, brown rice and boiled chicken breast without me.
I know of several people that have driven and seen the damn prototypes.
Honda's been putting it all over their JDM press, as is Acura.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 28, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
Honda might be feeling a little apprehensive after the CRZ fiasco. No matter what techno g-whizzery they put into it, the new NSX needs to be a proper sportscar and pay proper homage to the original.
Who would have thought making a small hybrid that wasn't very fast nor got particularly good mileage would have been a flop?
Much of the allure of the original NSX was that it was as good, if not better ( I think many people would say better) than the Ferrari 348, which wasn't a particularly good car. Acura would have to work quite a bit harder to recreate that equation this time around.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 29, 2014, 09:22:33 AM
I know of several people that have driven and seen the damn prototypes.
Honda's been putting it all over their JDM press, as is Acura.
And yet, the TLX, which is also a 2015 model, is on sale and on the streets.
And there were running prototypes of the last two NSXs as well.
We are almost down to 30 days to 2015. It's not going to happen.
I think it's been a given for a few months now that the NSX will be a 2016 model.
How much do u wanna bet it will get bumped to a 2017 model next year (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass1.png)
There's more going on with this car than you know. It was damn near completion, and they decided last minute it wasn't good enough in certain areas and are making big changes to it. It'll be delayed but it is still definitely alive.
I maintain they've dumped entirely too much money to turn back at this point.
WATS THAT MR H
THE CRICKETS... ARE DEAFENING
I CANNOT HEAR U
"NSX Absence Gloating", a haiku by SportyAccordy
What the fuck are you gloating about? That the program is delayed?
Months ago you said it would never happen. Based on zero knowledge. You're gloating about a Miss Cleo prediction, that all signs point to being wrong still. :wtf:
2G NSX program has been delayed for the last 9 years.... wats another 9 :evildude:
It was good enough for them to parade around and make commercials for.... but not release?
Watever dude.
If nothing else I was right about this not coming out for 2015. I get the feeling I will be right again. Just like I was about the ATS ;)
You're like a 5 year old kid, yelling it's going to rain every day. When it rains, you like to gloat about. But none of this is based off any knowledge or reality.
You keep being the 5 year old. I'll be the weatherman ;)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 01, 2014, 10:23:16 AM
WATS THAT MR H
THE CRICKETS... ARE DEAFENING
I CANNOT HEAR U
"NSX Absence Gloating", a haiku by SportyAccordy
:lol: +1 Internet
OK we'll see Mr H, we'll see.
I wouldn't let commercials be any indication on release date. Hell, GM strutted that Camaro around for years before releasing the thing.
Stupid move IMO. The Camaro seems like it's been around decades in my mind :lol:
Quote from: MrH on December 01, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
I wouldn't let commercials be any indication on release date. Hell, GM strutted that Camaro around for years before releasing the thing.
Stupid move IMO. The Camaro seems like it's been around decades in my mind :lol:
Same here......
Honda has already sold out of its long-awaited Acura NSX in the UK market, where it will be sold as the Honda NSX.
Customers quickly placed deposits for the country's entire initial allocation of 100 units. The orders were placed sight unseen, as the production model has not yet been revealed to the public.
A final price tag has not even been confirmed, though Honda previously hinted that it will likely sit in the Audi R8's bracket when it arrives early in 2016.
The company has been vocal in noting that the NSX is taking inspiration from the Ferrari 458 Italia as a performance benchmark, suggesting the Japanese supercar could be capable of hitting 60 mph in less than 3.3 seconds. A Sport-Hybrid all-wheel-drive setup will help deliver an expected 500 horsepower or more, combining the output from a twin-turbocharged V6 and two electric motors.
"Don't forget, the original NSX didn't look so good on numbers," NSX development head Ted Klaus told Top Gear. "But then everyone drove the car and it became a new interpretation of the sportscar."
http://jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-teaser-of-the-brand-new-acura-nsx-1672154584 (http://jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-teaser-of-the-brand-new-acura-nsx-1672154584)
How is that the first teaser when the car was in the Avengers movie? This car has been about to be released for so long it's old now. It's on Netflix, I'm waiting for the sequel. Any news on specs for the replacement?
Well, they added two turbos to the engine. I've heard mixed things about what's going on with the powertrain.
The original 3 electric motors + NA V6 was deemed not enough. Hence the delay.
Twin turbo and hybrid... this things gonna be a pig
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 17, 2014, 07:44:59 AM
Twin turbo and hybrid... this things gonna be a pig
Originally it was V6 + electric motor sandwiched between the transmission and engine + electric motor at each front wheel.
They damn near finished the thing entirely. Brought in a 458 and a 12C, and then decided they weren't there. So they added turbos. I'm not sure if they axed some of the hybrid stuff or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they dumped the motor in the rear and downsized the battery pack a bit.
I'm pretty excited for this car, despite the endless delays :lol:
No real manual, don't care.
I would have gone the opposite direction and focused on extremely low curb weight plus high revving v8(or 10??? Drool). If it was designed properly there wouldn't be a need for all the band aids(hybrid, electric motors, turbo's, etc).
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 17, 2014, 08:07:45 AM
I would have gone the opposite direction and focused on extremely low curb weight plus high revving v8(or 10??? Drool). If it was designed properly there wouldn't be a need for all the band aids(hybrid, electric motors, turbo's, etc).
Non-hybrid supercars are so 2007. This thing needs to be cutting edge.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
Well, they added two turbos to the engine. I've heard mixed things about what's going on with the powertrain.
The original 3 electric motors + NA V6 was deemed not enough. Hence the delay.
Damn! That's awesome! :dance:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 17, 2014, 08:07:45 AM
I would have gone the opposite direction and focused on extremely low curb weight plus high revving v8(or 10??? Drool). If it was designed properly there wouldn't be a need for all the band aids(hybrid, electric motors, turbo's, etc).
Extremely high weight all electric with 10 electric motors, two for each wheel and one for each door.
Quote from: Raza on December 17, 2014, 09:01:14 AM
Damn! That's awesome! :dance:
Yeah. Personally, I love the delay. They basically drove it back to back with a 458 and said, nope, we gotta do more. I love that sense of awareness.
I think this car is going to destroy a lot of things in the same price segment. If it's 98% of a 458 at 1/3 the cost, they've got a winner.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:04:21 AM
Yeah. Personally, I love the delay. They basically drove it back to back with a 458 and said, nope, we gotta do more. I love that sense of awareness.
I think this car is going to destroy a lot of things in the same price segment. If it's 98% of a 458 at 1/3 the cost, they've got a winner.
They dont need turbos or hybrid tech to do that.
Actually, it would probably be cheaper if they didn't. Would def be lighter. A 600HP 5L V8 in a 3000lb body sounds a lot more exciting than this backwards RLX Turbo Coupe.
Also, the 458 came out in 2009. That they delayed this car for a year because they forgot to benchmark a car that came out 5 years ago speaks to incompetence, not self awareness.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:04:21 AM
Yeah. Personally, I love the delay. They basically drove it back to back with a 458 and said, nope, we gotta do more. I love that sense of awareness.
I think this car is going to destroy a lot of things in the same price segment. If it's 98% of a 458 at 1/3 the cost, they've got a winner.
Oh, I was being sarcastic.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 17, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
They dont need turbos or hybrid tech to do that.
Actually, it would probably be cheaper if they didn't. Would def be lighter. A 600HP 5L V8 in a 3000lb body sounds a lot more exciting than this backwards RLX Turbo Coupe.
Also, the 458 came out in 2009. That they delayed this car for a year because they forgot to benchmark a car that came out 5 years ago speaks to incompetence, not self awareness.
Lol. They didn't forget to benchmark it. They came up short of where they thought they'd be. The 458 is still the class leader, despite coming out in 2009. Why aren't you ripping on McLaren and Lambo and everybody else?
600 hp in a MR setup with 3000 lbs would likely be a handful and likely not possible. The hybrid tech is meant as a way to torque vector and give it AWD.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
Lol. They didn't forget to benchmark it. They came up short of where they thought they'd be. The 458 is still the class leader, despite coming out in 2009. Why aren't you ripping on McLaren and Lambo and everybody else?
600 hp in a MR setup with 3000 lbs would likely be a handful and likely not possible. The hybrid tech is meant as a way to torque vector and give it AWD.
458 has 570hp and weighs 3200 pounds, I don't remember it killing everybody.
The majority of people driving these are never going even know where the traction control button is, let alone what it does.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
600 hp in a MR setup with 3000 lbs would likely be a handful and likely not possible.
Really?
Exhibit "A": 627 hp and 2400 lbs
(http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/McLaren-F1-Doors-Open-640x426.jpg)
Exhibit "B": 651 hp and 2800 lbs
(http://wallpaperhd77.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ferrari-Enzo-3.jpg)
Exhibit "C": 594 hp and 2700 lbs
(http://storage.pagani.com/view/1024/BIG_zg-4-def.jpg)
Those weights are all incorrect.
Quote from: SVT666 on December 17, 2014, 09:44:21 AM
Really?
Exhibit "A": 627 hp and 2400 lbs
(http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/McLaren-F1-Doors-Open-640x426.jpg)
Exhibit "B": 651 hp and 2800 lbs
(http://wallpaperhd77.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ferrari-Enzo-3.jpg)
Exhibit "C": 594 hp and 2700 lbs
(http://storage.pagani.com/view/1024/BIG_zg-4-def.jpg)
Lol those are all million dollar hyper cars with different crash regulations.
Talk about apples to oranges.. Jesus
Quote from: 68_427 on December 17, 2014, 09:57:16 AM
Those weights are all incorrect.
Not according to Wikipedia.
You said it wasn't possible, I proved you wrong.
Quote from: SVT666 on December 17, 2014, 10:04:21 AM
You said it wasn't possible, I proved you wrong.
Not possible given the current criteria. You're purposely being obtuse or you're just stupid. Your pick.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 10:09:11 AM
Not possible given the current criteria. You're purposely being obtuse or you're just stupid. Your pick.
And what criteria prevents 3000 lbs and 600 hp from being driveable?
Asia just teased the nsx again. In red this time.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/detroit-motor-show/2015-honda-nsx-sells-out-ahead-detroit-motor-show-debut (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/detroit-motor-show/2015-honda-nsx-sells-out-ahead-detroit-motor-show-debut)
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
Lol. They didn't forget to benchmark it. They came up short of where they thought they'd be. The 458 is still the class leader, despite coming out in 2009. Why aren't you ripping on McLaren and Lambo and everybody else?
When did they start benchmarking it, last month? If it wasn't ready what was the deal with the superbowl commercial?
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 09:30:08 AM600 hp in a MR setup with 3000 lbs would likely be a handful and likely not possible. The hybrid tech is meant as a way to torque vector and give it AWD.
The car they started benchmarking last week is not far off from those numbers. I drove a 458, it's anything but a handful.
Its amazing how far Honda has fallen. They went from making Ferrari do their cars over to doing their cars over at the 11th hour. And this thing is going to be a pig. I would be shocked if it came in under 3500lbs
Ferrari is the top dog in the segment, and continues to be, despite being one of the oldest vehicles. And 3 times the cost.
If it's so easy to top it across the board, I dare you all to pull a Koenigsegg and start your own company.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 11:57:33 AM
Ferrari is the top dog in the segment, and continues to be, despite being one of the oldest vehicles. And 3 times the cost.
If it's so easy to top it across the board, I dare you all to pull a Koenigsegg and start your own company.
:confused:
He's not saying it's easy, he's saying they've had like 5 years to benchmark it and a last minute delay makes them look bush league because it seems like they just found out about Ferrari. "Holy shit, they've been making cars for how long?"
They've been benchmarking for a long time. You can design the entire thing in CAD, build it, and have every nuance figured out before you even make anything.
Building a super car to compete with Ferrari at a 1/3 of the price is the exact opposite of bush league.
Its just bizarre that theyve been benchmarking for.... 5 years? And then still missed their launch date by 6 months. Seems like it would be immediately apparent that they were off and would have to go back to the drawing board. My fear is that they rushed the turbos and will now have problems.
And Honda was making 120HP/L NA engines 15 years ago, and lightweight aluminum bodies 25 years ago. Put the two together with specs up to modern standards, you have a 1/3 price Ferrari beater. Its not like Ferraris aren't grossly overpriced.
Once you strip away the hype of the "story", its not that amazing. For all the wait and delays and tech, if this thing is anything short of amazing it will be a failure, because they had so much time to get it right, and have already demonstrated that they could do it.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 01:10:01 PM
They've been benchmarking for a long time. You can design the entire thing in CAD, build it, and have every nuance figured out before you even make anything.
Building a super car to compete with Ferrari at a 1/3 of the price is the exact opposite of bush league.
Well, obviously it doesn't compete with Ferrari.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 17, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
Its just bizarre that theyve been benchmarking for.... 5 years?
Well you can't drive a CAD model back to back with a 458.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 17, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
Its just bizarre that theyve been benchmarking for.... 5 years? And then still missed their launch date by 6 months. Seems like it would be immediately apparent that they were off and would have to go back to the drawing board. My fear is that they rushed the turbos and will now have problems.
And Honda was making 120HP/L NA engines 15 years ago, and lightweight aluminum bodies 25 years ago. Put the two together with specs up to modern standards, you have a 1/3 price Ferrari beater. Its not like Ferraris aren't grossly overpriced.
Once you strip away the hype of the "story", its not that amazing. For all the wait and delays and tech, if this thing is anything short of amazing it will be a failure, because they had so much time to get it right, and have already demonstrated that they could do it.
Dude, a 6 month delay is nothing. It happens... a lot. The new S-class had a 6-month delay. Multiple vehicles debuting at Detroit Auto Show this year have had delays a hell of a lot longer than 6 months. You just have no idea about those.
I think the main issue you guys have with this is because "concepts" showed up so long ago that looked so close to the production. It's like the Camaro, where it was flaunted around in Transformers and all over the place years before actually coming to production.
That's a marketing issue. And one I also think is stupid. You can only keep the hype train going for so long. But a 6 month delay? You have no idea how common this is.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2014, 01:10:01 PM
They've been benchmarking for a long time. You can design the entire thing in CAD, build it, and have every nuance figured out before you even make anything.
Building a super car to compete with Ferrari at a 1/3 of the price is the exact opposite of bush league.
But you get it, right? I mean, they didn't take away all non-engineering parts of your brain when you got your degree, did they?
It seems like they were about to go to market, and then they said "Oh shit, there are other cars like this? We've got to check this out."
Yea I hope to god the delay wasnt due to them just now realizing it wasn't competitive
Did they actually say that?
What happens when it comes out and it's not as good as the 458?
LMAO... After 5 years they finally unveil it at the same Detroit auto show that Ford unloads the jaw dropping GT.
Note to Honda... Just load the car back up and try a different show - nobody cares
Quote from: r0tor on January 12, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
LMAO... After 5 years they finally unveil it at the same Detroit auto show that Ford unloads the jaw dropping GT.
Note to Honda... Just load the car back up and try a different show - nobody cares
It looks really boring next to the new GT.
To be fair, the NSX will probably be more livable and shit
Idk man. I feel like they're not really competitors. And they're both going to be hella exclusive.
Quote from: r0tor on January 12, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
LMAO... After 5 years they finally unveil it at the same Detroit auto show that Ford unloads the jaw dropping GT.
Note to Honda... Just load the car back up and try a different show - nobody cares
+ No specs. WTF.
NSX unveil...
Drumroll, curtain drops, sound of cymbals falling on floor
*crickets*
*baby crying in the background*
NSX launch music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1ytCEuuW2_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1ytCEuuW2_A)
Honda just likes to delay it's products to give everyone else a chance at the limelight. It's actually very generous of them.
That's why they have like 20 year gaps between their roadsters. Can't wait for the 2028 S2000 successor.