Civic Type-R

Started by 68_427, March 02, 2015, 11:09:04 PM

CALL_911

Not only do I like its looks, I really want one

Although I could definitely do without the stupid vent over the front wheel arch


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Raza

Wow. This makes the Focus RS look like a clean-lined two button suit. What a mess!
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
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I legitimately got sad looking at pics of the new car and then of the EK9 and DC2 posted in the comments. :(
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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Rich

Finally sat in a new civic and the type r

Man, fuck the new civic.
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68_427

Quote from: Rich on March 10, 2017, 07:25:26 AM
Finally sat in a new civic and the type r

Man, fuck the new civic.

Well there's 3 exhaust exist on the Type-R presumably just for this purpose
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The volume control is terrible. The seat height adjuster is super flimsy. The door armrest is a hard plastic with a super thin neoprene like covering. It feels bigger than the 2000 accord I drove for a few weeks in England. The driving position is too high.
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2o6

I loved the new Civic, but it is a big car.


It's really fun to drive  :huh:

12,000 RPM

It's a shame they punish you with its looks. Mechanically/dimensionally/build quality wise it's all brilliant. I wonder how they are selling.
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2o6

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 11, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
It's a shame they punish you with its looks. Mechanically/dimensionally/build quality wise it's all brilliant. I wonder how they are selling.


Pretty well, I see them everywhere.



But this is also Honda town, and Honda NA R&D is only a 45 minute drive from me.

Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on March 11, 2017, 10:40:43 AM

Pretty well, I see them everywhere.



But this is also Honda town, and Honda NA R&D is only a 45 minute drive from me.

Are they selling it in Japan?  I can't recall seeing a single one over here. 
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2o6

Quote from: Raza  on March 13, 2017, 07:59:39 AM
Are they selling it in Japan?  I can't recall seeing a single one over here.

(Bump) but Honda stopped selling the Civic entirely in Japan back in 2009, I think.


Xer0

Civic Si first drives have started trickling out.  Overall, I'm pretty underwhelmed.  25K and the same power it's made since like 2006.  I think that Honda hamstrung the Si to keep all focus on the R, but as a US only model, they really missed an opportunity to make something special.  Oh well, I expect this to keep value of my '13 nice and high  :ohyeah:

MX793

Quote from: 2o6 on May 26, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
(Bump) but Honda stopped selling the Civic entirely in Japan back in 2009, I think.



I believe they continued to sell the hybrid and high performance versions.  When the platform grew in width for the 8th (?) generation, it no longer could be classified as a compact in Japan, so they dropped the bread and butter models.
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2o6

Quote from: Xer0 on May 31, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
Civic Si first drives have started trickling out.  Overall, I'm pretty underwhelmed.  25K and the same power it's made since like 2006.  I think that Honda hamstrung the Si to keep all focus on the R, but as a US only model, they really missed an opportunity to make something special.  Oh well, I expect this to keep value of my '13 nice and high  :ohyeah:

Fat Chance, people like the Civic before and after yours wayyyy more  :devil:

MX793

Quote from: Xer0 on May 31, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
Civic Si first drives have started trickling out.  Overall, I'm pretty underwhelmed.  25K and the same power it's made since like 2006.  I think that Honda hamstrung the Si to keep all focus on the R, but as a US only model, they really missed an opportunity to make something special.  Oh well, I expect this to keep value of my '13 nice and high  :ohyeah:

Power sounds underwhelming, but it sounds like the chassis is excellent.  Given the fat torque curve, I expect it will be quicker than the 2.0 and 2.4L cars. 

I have a hard time wrapping my head around needing to short shift an Si Honda @ 6000 RPM to maximize performance...
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2o6

Quote from: MX793 on May 31, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
I believe they continued to sell the hybrid and high performance versions.  When the platform grew in width for the 8th (?) generation, it no longer could be classified as a compact in Japan, so they dropped the bread and butter models.


Yeah, I don't think Toyota sells the ROW Corolla in Japan. They sell the Corolla Axio, but I think that's not even really mechanically related to the Corolla we get. (I think it's a long Yaris)


(They sell the Auris/Corolla Hatch in Japan, but not the Corolla Sedan)

12,000 RPM

I am optimstic on the Si. It's going to feel faster than the 9th gen around town, and the chassis + steering is definitely better. Also has a God honest mechanical LSD. I'm just bummed they didn't make it a 2.0L or even a 1.8L. The turbo on the non-Si 1.5T is close to tapped out with any kind of tuning. Would have been nicer with more displacement.

But the looks are still ghastly. The extra $$$ and reliability uncertainty of the GTI are a worthy cost for the better looks and bigger displacement at this point in time. All us Honda boiz are waiting with baited breath for that mid model facelift.
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Ghastly indeed, it's all vents and creases!
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Quote from: 2o6 on May 31, 2017, 02:12:03 PM
Fat Chance, people like the Civic before and after yours wayyyy more  :devil:

I'll make sure to remind you of this at the end of the year :lol:

13 and up Si's hold their value incredibly well and that will continue.  It's a great starter platform with cheap mods and a stout engine. 
Quote from: MX793 on May 31, 2017, 02:12:18 PM
Power sounds underwhelming, but it sounds like the chassis is excellent.  Given the fat torque curve, I expect it will be quicker than the 2.0 and 2.4L cars. 

I have a hard time wrapping my head around needing to short shift an Si Honda @ 6000 RPM to maximize performance...

Chassis and steering sound excellent.  Although it also comes with unnaturally aggressive tires for a Honda. 

MX793

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In talking with 2.0L guys, the 2.4 cars are deemed inferior.  Honda f'ed up by not adjusting the gearing when they went to a lower redline motor.  Former regional Auto-x champ had a 2.0L car and replaced it with something.  When I asked if he considered a newer Si he said he had zero interest in the 2.4L car.
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Xer0

The 2.0 cars are a bit more aggressive out of the factory too.  Honda calmed down the Si a lot, especially the lame duck MY12 which they didn't even try on.  Still, I'm more concerned on value, and I don't see my Si losing any because of the 2017 models. 

12,000 RPM

Real Honda boiz swap gears out in their K series transmissions. Buy an Accord/Element 5 speed, get 6 speed kit, build ratios from elsewhere, get an M-Factory LSD, profit.
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Quote from: Xer0 on May 31, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
I'll make sure to remind you of this at the end of the year :lol:

13 and up Si's hold their value incredibly well and that will continue.  It's a great starter platform with cheap mods and a stout engine. 

No offense, but I just don't see that being the case. This Si, aside from the horsepower, seems like it's way way better than the old one. This new Civic is leaps and bounds better than the old one.


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Xer0

None taken.  More often then not, the engine is the most important part of a car like this and what anyone ends up remembering.  I don't know where the 1.5T will land when the tuners are done with it, and early Hondata results look promising from the hatch, but all motor K24's are regularly putting down 235-250 and supercharged examples are reliably getting 330+ without going to extremes.  We'll see how much room this new guy has, but I feel like Honda purposely kept it back so that it doesn't every land on the toes of the R. 

68_427

I'm expecting to see 230whp be the norm for a well tuned Si now with typical breather mods and tune
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12,000 RPM

Things that give me hope are that I know the aftermarket for this thing will be robust and that the Si engine is loaded with tech (IIRC, dual VVT and VVL, along with DI I think?). Thing that makes me sad is it's underbore and very narrow... so more displacement is not likely. Hopefully Honda makes an L20 in the future, or puts a version of the CTR's 2.0L in the Accord/Pilot/Odyssey etc. to enable swappery
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MrH

Were you really planning on buying a brand new Civic Si and boring it out?  Or buying a new Accord/Pilot/Odyssey, and swapping a Civic Si engine into it?  :lol:

Seems kind of strange to be "sad" over such weird fantasies.

"Damn that new Ferrari V12!  I'm pissed they made the intake so tall.  I can't swap it into a Kia Rio because it won't clear the hood now!" :lol:
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Quote from: thecarnut on March 16, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
Depending on price, that could be a good deal.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on June 01, 2017, 08:07:31 AM
Were you really planning on buying a brand new Civic Si and boring it out?  Or buying a new Accord/Pilot/Odyssey, and swapping a Civic Si engine into it?  :lol:

Seems kind of strange to be "sad" over such weird fantasies.

"Damn that new Ferrari V12!  I'm pissed they made the intake so tall.  I can't swap it into a Kia Rio because it won't clear the hood now!" :lol:
Naw, just thinking about the aftermarket and tuning community. I'm not the only one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHLvfPX80E
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