Tesla

[Galaxy]

I think a mesh network would make a lot of sense. General purpose cellular data is easily overtaxed in areas facing high congestion. A mesh network, built for relaying automotive data, isn't going to be overloaded by adjacent bus riders streaming Netflix on their phones.

Car to X communication is already on the market in several vehicles. They do use a mesh network for non critical things. However anything that leads to something like vehicles putting on the brakes needs to be checked for plausibility. The danger is to high that someone will use this for sabotage. So all Mercedes vehicles report to Mercedes servers which makes split second decisions on whether or not the scenario is plausible, and then that gets forwarded to all other cars in the vicinity. 

[veeman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJ7lPdazyw

Yikes!

Basically a fender bender on a Model 3 takes 3 Month, and $10,000 to fix.

When they start talking about Tesla in general skip to 10:34 to get back to the repairs.

My former Buick Enclave with a similar seemingly minor rear fender bender cost around 8 thousand to repair (low speed backed up into a pole).  Rear liftgate and glass, rear quarter panel, tail lights replaced. The only difference in what they had to do between that repair and the Model 3 repair is they didn't have to replace the roof or front windshield in my car (the roof being made of glass in the Model 3).  I don't remember exactly but I think it took about 5 weeks to get it fixed.  I had to pay for the rental car for one week because insurance only covered one month.

[AutobahnSHO]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

[12,000 RPM]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

Brah we eviscerated that study when it came out in April

[Laconian]

Zero Hedge, faaaake newssss

[12,000 RPM]

Every other "article" is a fear-mongering ad for someone's BS book. Good stuff

[AutobahnSHO]

Brah we eviscerated that study when it came out in April

Oops, I missed it. I like the pic of the charging station next to a generator though.

[2o6]

This is why I can't stand Tesla owners. This is such shitty math.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9Q-sqXhgg



TL, DR


Just some of the fuckery that I can see from being a full-time rideshare driver

1. He's calculating it based upon time driven in a ride with a passenger, not online time, which is disingenuous. I drive around 35-40 hours a week, and that's time spent ONLINE. You ride time doesn't include the time spent getting to pick up the rider. Nor does it include the time and miles spent online driving not in a ride. If we're really playing that game, judging from my longer rides I'm "averaging" around $70 an hour.

2. He completely ignores cost of entry and depreciation

3. He completely ignores running costs outside of fuel/electric. Although his fuel costs are obviously much lower than mine, properly insuring the Model 3 with full coverage adequate ride-share insurance is going to not be cheap. Not to mention wear items like tires, etc.



I hate this guy

[GoCougs]

fuck that guy

[AutobahnSHO]

Don't most rideshare drivers forget #2 & #3?

[12,000 RPM]

We live in a clout and clickbait era. He got my click so he did his job. I'm sure his stupid video is well on its way to "going viral"

[BimmerM3]

We live in a clout and clickbait era. He got my click so he did his job. I'm sure his stupid video is well on its way to "going viral"

I wish more people realized this. See some stupid shit on the internet? Ignore it! Sharing it just gives them what they want.

[CaminoRacer]

Don't most rideshare drivers forget #2 & #3?

Yeah probably.

[Morris Minor]

Don't most rideshare drivers forget #2 & #3?

If your all-consuming hobby is Teslas then you don't see forest for the trees when trying to justify your hobby with fake monetization logic.

I have a friend in the UK who is firmly on the spectrum. His compulsive obsession is squeezing the most miles per gallon out of whichever car he owns. He's always been like this, & will l talk eight hours per day about it.
He runs a one-man airport ride service in London. This allows him to buy diesel cars and feed his obsession: choosing the best routes, getting the cheapest fuel, logging MPG etc. He loves it. He now on Skodas.
He hardly makes enough to pay the bills - but he loves what he does.

Having said this... I KNOW that if I bought a Tesla, I'd fall in love too. It would consume me. But hopefully not to the extent that I'd kid myself that it was a money-making proposition.

I'd probably just tell myself that not owning one would be a climate crime against humanity.

[12,000 RPM]

My inner enviro-weenie (I started my career and still make money from green buildings) wants to get an EV and pay whatever to charge it with renewables.

My left brain looks at the numbers and scowls. Even the cost savings just on fuel alone are marginal.

[BimmerM3]

My inner enviro-weenie (I started my career and still make money from green buildings) wants to get an EV and pay whatever to charge it with renewables.

My left brain looks at the numbers and scowls. Even the cost savings just on fuel alone are marginal.

+1. It's basically why I keep toying with the idea of getting a Clarity, even though I doubt I'll go through with it.

[MrH]

I've toyed with the idea of a Bolt. So dorky looking though.

I make too many weekend road trips of 200+ miles that I'd need a second car probably just for that.

[BimmerM3]

I've toyed with the idea of a Bolt. So dorky looking though.

I make too many weekend road trips of 200+ miles that I'd need a second car probably just for that.

I was looking at prices on those just last night - there are some pretty heavy incentives right now that make up for the fact that they're not eligible for the full federal tax credit anymore.

The biggest thing preventing me from getting a Clarity is that I need ground clearance for mountainy things, so the Clarity would have to replace the S2000, not the Explorer. And I definitely cannot justify three cars.

[MrH]

Just get 3 cars.  I'm toying with the idea

[BimmerM3]

Just get 3 cars.  I'm toying with the idea

It wouldn't be impossible, but it would mean diverting too much away from long term investments.

But wait, what would be your third? If I didn't need something with ground clearance, 2 would be plenty.

[MrH]

It wouldn't be impossible, but it would mean diverting too much away from long term investments.

But wait, what would be your third? If I didn't need something with ground clearance, 2 would be plenty.

Considered toying with a 2nd gen 4Runner or a manual transmission Element as a fun, beater winter vehicle.

But it probably wouldn't be worth it.

Instead, I'm seriously considering doing an Exocet build...buy a donor miata first, strip that entirely down, get everything powder coated, then get the Exocet frame in and do the swap.  Maybe sell the S2000 once it's done.

[Eye of the Tiger]

It wouldn't be impossible, but it would mean diverting too much away from long term investments.

But wait, what would be your third? If I didn't need something with ground clearance, 2 would be plenty.

How many investments would you have to sacrifice for a $400 Ford Ranger?

[BimmerM3]

Considered toying with a 2nd gen 4Runner or a manual transmission Element as a fun, beater winter vehicle.

But it probably wouldn't be worth it.

Instead, I'm seriously considering doing an Exocet build...buy a donor miata first, strip that entirely down, get everything powder coated, then get the Exocet frame in and do the swap.  Maybe sell the S2000 once it's done.

TBH, you really don't seem like the SUV kinda guy. The short tenure of your previous 4Runner supports that theory. So, if you were to get a winter beater, I think you should get an old WRX or EVO and turn it into a rallycross car.

Project car could be fun, though I personally don't have the patience (or space) for one.

How many investments would you have to sacrifice for a $400 Ford Ranger?

About $400 worth.

[r0tor]

Fairly impressive what an electric car can do when backed up with a well established charger network and useful nav interface

https://youtu.be/uC95WACQhCY

[Laconian]

Fairly impressive what an electric car can do when backed up with a well established charger network and useful nav interface

Fucking clickbait thumbnails! SCOWL FACE! "MISERABLE" in the title! But it's actually positive!

The realtime charging stats feature looks geeky and quite polished.

[12,000 RPM]

40 minutes every 200 miles... fuck that

[Laconian]

40 minutes every 200 miles... fuck that

It's no different than road tripping with heavy smokers.

[12,000 RPM]

On my last drive from NYC to NC, I stopped for about 10 minutes to pee and chug a 5 hour energy drink #DatB12WakeUp

I think I did the whole 600 mile drive in 8 hours? Would take 10 hours in a BEV. I'd lose it

[BimmerM3]

Yeah, I'm with Sporty on this one. It's the main reason I'd rather get a PHEV than a pure EV right now.

[Laconian]

I'd be OK with a 100% pure EV in a two-car stable. Not a sacrifice at all. My brother's family has a RAV-4 to complement the Bolt, but all the miles except for the maybe-yearly trip to OR or UT end up on the Bolt. Kids get screamy and need to pee every 3 hours, so it works fine for them.