Time for my annual post.
Backstory
My CSX is starting to show is age in the form of shitty factory clear coat and of course rust. Time for something new...
I was looking at 2016-2018 Civic LX 6MTs initially as they are essentially the same engine with a 6spd. I did take one for a test drive and liked it quite a bit, really impressed actually at the fact that you really can go pick up a 3yr old car for $15k CAD that is quite nice.
Alas, snowball syndrome. Then I changed it up to 2017 LX Hatchbacks since they at least came with alloys, and the 1.5T was a bonus.
Enter the Accord.
While looking for Civics, I would occasionally filter on all manual Hondas in the area. This Blue 2.0T Sport 6MT popped up, private sale, sick color, detuned Type R engine, droool... Alas, I had long written off Accords as even the Civic has swollen over the years to the point where I think its a bit big. I ignored it for a couple weeks, not being in any hurry. Then it showed up at a Kia dealer closer to me, it had to be the same car as it was same mileage, color, 6MT, etc..
At this point I had snowballed up to Si's which are going for $22K CAD, this Accord was barely $3k more, and really, still not really that desirable to me.
I went and took it for a drive anyway and despite it looking f'in awesome, and in generally being a really clean car for a 2yr old, I still wasn't sold. I like power, and it has that in spades, but it's all but useless in 1st and 2nd in a FWD car. Without TC, you'd go nowhere. I was primarily concerned with how "tossable" the car felt, and on that first drive I really couldn't draw a conclusion either way, crediting at least part of that to not having set a correct seating position. I wasn't turned off enough to not put in an offer on it though, figuring that Eibach had me covered there just in case :) They shot down that offer.
After a couple days I put in another slightly higher offer which they bit on. I went to take it for another test drive to be sure. This time I focused on getting my seat and steering wheel positioned well. I usually run through a particular series of corners on my test drive loop. On the first drive I concluded that I had simply tried to drive it like my CSX, a car with half the HP and around half the Torque as well. Driven with a little more respect for the power output the car proved to be sufficiently playful so I signed on the non-dotted line.
Quasi Review
I've had the car since Tuesday night now. I've never owned a car that I would just stare at before this one. I dunno if its the blue pearl, the aggressive nose, the "jewel eye" headlights/foglights, the 40 profile rubber on 19s ($$$$), or what, but it just looks f'in sick to me.
The power is obscene. It requires a whole different approach for me as it really does have double the torque of anything I've ever owned. Despite having that 4cyl sound, I can easily understand that it was intended to replace the V6 in the line up. There is but an instant of turbo lag, which almost seems electronically engineered to always feel exactly the same despite the revs, the pedal feel vs response is very consistent. It is a large departure considering I have always equated fun with wringing the necks of my little 4cyls, as doing that in this thing means you are seriously moving in a hurry.
It is a very quiet and smooth ride. Almost too much so. Once moving there is no indication that its a 4cyl. A nitpick is that the clutch pedal is quite near the top of the pedal travel, I found it difficult to position the seat such as to make it easy to modulate smoothly up that high. Coming from a smaller car, I can't help but feel as if I'm sitting IN the car, rather than being a more integral part of it. Given the minor revelations I've had related to seat position I feel this will pass, but the ridiculously high door sills (thanks safety nazis), don't help. The shift throws are maybe a hair long, most noticeable on the horizontal when going to 5-6-R, but the gearing is spaced out nicely. The brakes are very bity coming from my CSX, not so much when I went from my RSX, but I attribute that at least somewhat to the large rotor diameters.
Onto the most difficult one to put my finger on, the handling. This thing is almost 400lbs heavier than either the CSX or RSX, but it is riding on 30mm wider tires all around on next to no sidewall. It also has that dreaded "Agile Handling Assist" that will apply either of the front brakes to keep you going where you intended. Yes, I have already tested that system lol. It's not even that it's bad, but your brain says that it shouldn't feel like this, but it does. I account for understeer, but there isn't any, its very weird to me. Turn in may be a little weak, but I have larger rear sways on the CSX and RSX. The RSX was f'in horrible for this before the larger rear bar. I need to drive it a bit more before making an Eibach order as I do not believe Honda makes a larger bar for the platform, I'd have to check the Type R one.
For slower corners, I think its the same thing that bugs me a little about the gfs 2019 Civic Hatch, the windows are small, so I really don't see as much as I'm used to even if the car will handle the corner exactly the same. I don't know that this is something you can avoid with any car these days.
The remainder comes back to the power, I'm so used to braking into, then powering out of corners, with an almost muscle memory amount of throttle position. I simply can not do that in this car. Not because it won't do it, but because I'm getting the same thrust out of what feels like a 1/8 of the amount of pedal travel. I turned onto a street Wed morning that I had done in the CSX on Tuesday morning. On Tues, I turned, floored it, maybe hit 80kph and continued while coasting back to 70ish. On Wed, I turned, maybe got half to 3/4 pedal, and was already doing 80kph with the estimate that I could have hit 150kph before the train tracks (vs a purely hypothetical 120kph in the CSX).
Anyway, enough talking
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Nice choice, keeping the manuals alive! I think Honda is getting rid of the stick for 2021 so you've just gotten a last of its kind unicorn!
I think the new Accord looks fantastic from every front facing angle but a little awkward in the rear. My dad has a 1.5T Sport and yeah, those wheels are a bit overkill but look great. Its definitely a big car. I'm like you in that when I drive his car, coming from a '13 Si, it feels a bit uncomfortable because of how enormous it is in comparison. Its a great car though and I hope it gives you years and years and years of trouble free running!
Looks great. Love the colour.
I kinda want one for highway cruising. Seems like a great roadtrip car.
Love it. Big car road manners on the highway make up for their demerits on twisty local roads. At least that's always been the case for me.
Good annual post. I expect the next one to be even better. :devil:
Quote from: Xer0 on August 21, 2020, 10:10:06 AM
Nice choice, keeping the manuals alive! I think Honda is getting rid of the stick for 2021 so you've just gotten a last of its kind unicorn!
I think the new Accord looks fantastic from every front facing angle but a little awkward in the rear. My dad has a 1.5T Sport and yeah, those wheels are a bit overkill but look great. Its definitely a big car. I'm like you in that when I drive his car, coming from a '13 Si, it feels a bit uncomfortable because of how enormous it is in comparison. Its a great car though and I hope it gives you years and years and years of trouble free running!
The automatic is surely faster, but f that shit. The scary part is that I've already had the thought that the manual probably doesn't offer a whole lot in this car as the torque and extra 4 gears of the auto would surely mean its just as, if not more, responsive than the manual. Is it an age thing, will I still care about manual transmissions when this thing is due for replacement? Say it isn't so... In 10 years time I may finally swap the RSX for a Cayman GTS or GT4, but I think I'd want a PDK in something like even now, so... le sigh....
As you said 2020 is last year for manual Accords of this gen, who knows if they come back for the next one.
Limiting my comparison to a 2016+ Civic, which was going to be what I would have got otherwise. It is dimensionaly within 2 inches in all but wheelbase (+5"), overall length (14" :eek:), an of course the extra 400lbs. Parking it right next to the gfs 2019 Hatchback it doesn't appear to be much bigger either, I'm sure there is some optical shit going on that makes it seem like it is more than the 14".
Thing will cruise all day at 150kph+ though (so I'm told), and there is a definite step up in ride quality over the Civic. As it was intended to replace the CSX I have no doubt it can match that cars handling performance, if not exceed it, it just feels different doing it. Just means I have to drive the RSX if I'm after the really tossable feeling. The CSX was really kinda close to the RSX in moderate handling feel, I kinda neglected drive the RSX a lot because the CSX was at least 8/10 as fun with less speeding ticket risk.
It only has 35k kms on it so I still have full warranty till next June even, not that it was a concern but..
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 21, 2020, 10:10:09 AM
Looks great. Love the colour.
Yeah, I have a tough time looking away. The pearl in the sun makes it look purple, light blue, dark blue, etc.. its awesome.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 21, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
I kinda want one for highway cruising. Seems like a great roadtrip car.
You would not go wrong, it effortlessly hums along at 150kph+ (so I'm told). Its exceptionally smooth and quiet. At speed you'd swear you were driving one of the prev gen V6s, except I'd argue this is a bit quieter still.
I recall scoffing that this engine was intended to replace the V6 in the line up, and other than the sound of the 4 when accelerating, the rest of the experience absolutely reminds me of those cars.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Good annual post. I expect the next one to be even better. :devil:
Lol. "So I found a Type R turbo and LSD cheap"... or "Made it a week without a ticket"... I'm particularly concerned with tickets as the speedo climbs so effortlessly. I think that's one of the buzzkill components, you really can't stand on it for any length of time without leaving the speed limit a long ways back. I doubt I'll ever match C&D's 0-60, but 5.5s?? Its a full 10mph faster in the quarter than my RSX. She quick.
Nice! You're not the only one - it is a drop dead sexy sedan when in that blue or the red.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 21, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
Lol. "So I found a Type R turbo and LSD cheap"... or "Made it a week without a ticket"... I'm particularly concerned with tickets as the speedo climbs so effortlessly. I think that's one of the buzzkill components, you really can't stand on it for any length of time without leaving the speed limit a long ways back. I doubt I'll ever match C&D's 0-60, but 5.5s?? Its a full 10mph faster in the quarter than my RSX. She quick.
Yeah, that's why like to I stay around the 16 second 1/4 mile. I can't resist using the full capability of a vehicle.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
Yeah, that's why like to I stay around the 16 second 1/4 mile. I can't resist using the full capability of a vehicle.
I tried explaining this to a co-worker. He didn't get it. Fast or not there is something psychologically fun about flooring it.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 21, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
I tried explaining this to a co-worker. He didn't get it. Fast or not there is something psychologically fun about flooring it.
I like to abuse machines, perhaps, so I can fix them ... :huh:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2020, 01:37:15 PM
I like to abuse machines, perhaps, so I can fix them ... :huh:
It's the wear and tear that bothers me. It's not really broken, but you know that everything's getting a bit loose.
However, I understand the feeling perfectly. Every time I got in my Sunbeam Tiger Mk. II, I just couldn't help myself.
I like these! Congrats!
Civics really are solid all-rounder compacts. This Accord is just basically a long Civic.
Lovely unicorn!!! :thumbsup:
Hope it's not too hard to stay out of trouble! :lol:
Love the color
Absolutely sweet ride. The color and wheel choices make it look really sharp. Congrats! :cheers:
Eibach rear bar ordered :)
I've taken to driving with Eco mode on. That still didn't prevent me from hitting 100kph in a 60kph earlier. Granted I had done close to that in the CSX at least once on that stretch, but that was a conscious effort, this was more of a f that guy and boot around. It's hilarious and boring at the same time, first world problems...
Never drive with Eco mode. Why blunt proper gear shifts? :lol:
Well the fella in the supercharged V8 Landrover might think twice next time he tries to light jump an accord.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 29, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
Well the fella in the supercharged V8 Landrover might think twice next time he tries to light jump an accord.
Drag race?
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 29, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
Well the fella in the supercharged V8 Landrover might think twice next time he tries to light jump an accord.
:rockon:
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 29, 2020, 11:44:49 AM
Drag race?
Young guy in daddy's Range Rover. Came up fast and stopped a bit ahead of me at a light. He was going to have to get back over due to parked cars.
I bogged pretty bad in 1st, and backed out of it to avoid a stall. I then got moving and floored it, wheel hopped into second with what felt like just the front right. It was downright horrible driving on my part, but as nice as that V8 sounded, he didn't even get a hood length on me the whole time.
I'm siding with veeman, had I not been in Eco I may not have bogged off the line. Clutch takeup is quite aggressive though, guess it has to be to hold that amount of torque.
Need drag radials up front, and some stiff motor mounts. :devil:
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 29, 2020, 12:16:13 PM
Young guy in daddy's Range Rover. Came up fast and stopped a bit ahead of me at a light. He was going to have to get back over due to parked cars.
I bogged pretty bad in 1st, and backed out of it to avoid a stall. I then got moving and floored it, wheel hopped into second with what felt like just the front right. It was downright horrible driving on my part, but as nice as that V8 sounded, he didn't even get a hood length on me the whole time.
I'm siding with veeman, had I not been in Eco I may not have bogged off the line. Clutch takeup is quite aggressive though, guess it has to be to hold that amount of torque.
The way to avoid bogging is to floor it and then drop the clutch. It might smell a bit and you might notice a bit of smoke, but it won't bog.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 29, 2020, 01:27:06 PM
The way to avoid bogging is to floor it and then drop the clutch. It might smell a bit and you might notice a bit of smoke, but it won't bog.
Lol.. would also be sure to already be making boost that way..
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 29, 2020, 01:27:06 PM
The way to avoid bogging is to floor it and then drop the clutch. It might smell a bit and you might notice a bit of smoke, but it won't bog.
You'd also improve your clutch changing skills if you do it a lot... :confused:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 29, 2020, 07:06:31 PM
You'd also improve your clutch changing skills if you do it a lot... :confused:
Or install a three puck racing clutch, never worry about the clutch again, but get good at changing motor mounts.
I think as I get more used to it, just have to turn Eco off and be a little more civil on shifts. It has almost double the torque of the CSX/RSX, so might have to change up things a bit.
How does Eco-Mode work with a manual transmission car?
In mine (7-speed DCT) it disconnects the transmission from the engine to allow the car to coast ("Sail").
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 30, 2020, 09:02:50 AM
How does Eco-Mode work with a manual transmission car?
In mine (7-speed DCT) it disconnects the transmission from the engine to allow the car to coast ("Sail").
Dumbs down the throttle pedal response, cycles the AC less and won't try as hard to maintain speed when cruise is on going up hills etc..
AC on in Miata totally changes how it drives. Feels like 30% less power LOL. Have to give it way more gas and go easier on the clutch. Unintentionally Killed it in front of the house the other day.....
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 30, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
AC on in Miata totally changes how it drives. Feels like 30% less power LOL. Have to give it way more gas and go easier on the clutch. Unintentionally Killed it in front of the house the other day.....
That is the case with most naturally aspirated four-cylinder cars. Fiesta Eeekoboost, however, doesn't seem to change. That is, perhaps, because the throttle response is already so delayed between the throttle-by-wire and the turbo lag. And then the electronically-controlled boost comes and forms a mega mesa of torque, burying any hint of AC power suckage.
The AC in the CR-V sucks sweaty balls. After a few minutes it cycles off when it gets to set point and things get uncomfortable. You have to turn it down to "Lo" to keep it blowing cold.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on August 30, 2020, 04:29:27 PM
Dumbs down the throttle pedal response, cycles the AC less and won't try as hard to maintain speed when cruise is on going up hills etc..
:ohyeah:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 30, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
AC on in Miata totally changes how it drives. Feels like 30% less power LOL. Have to give it way more gas and go easier on the clutch. Unintentionally Killed it in front of the house the other day.....
Remember the turbo boost button from knight rider? Reincarnated as the AC off button in the Miata.
Quote from: Rich on August 31, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
Remember the turbo boost button from knight rider? Reincarnated as the AC off button in the Miata.
One of our neighbors where I grew up was a civil engineer - he was posted to Hong Kong in the 1970s to build the Mass Transit Railway, the family went too. They had a Morris 1300 there with an aftermarket A/C unit bolted under the parcel shelf. They had to switch off the a/c to get up the hills; it would just stall. The car was pretty useless anyway in a sub-tropical climate.
Quote from: Rich on August 31, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
Remember the turbo boost button from knight rider? Reincarnated as the AC off button in the Miata.
:lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 30, 2020, 09:02:50 AM
How does Eco-Mode work with a manual transmission car?
In mine (7-speed DCT) it disconnects the transmission from the engine to allow the car to coast ("Sail").
That happens in the Giulia as well as the slowed down throttle and lazier shifts in the efficiency mode.... But it also cuts boost by like 50% so it only makes like 200hp
Quote from: Rich on August 31, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
Remember the turbo boost button from knight rider? Reincarnated as the AC off button in the Miata.
:rockon:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 30, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
AC on in Miata totally changes how it drives. Feels like 30% less power LOL. Have to give it way more gas and go easier on the clutch. Unintentionally Killed it in front of the house the other day.....
Ironically AC also changes how I have to drive the Z06. More gas, easier on the clutch, easier to stall.
Quote from: r0tor on August 31, 2020, 05:18:46 PM
That happens in the Giulia as well as the slowed down throttle and lazier shifts in the efficiency mode.... But it also cuts boost by like 50% so it only makes like 200hp
In mine it also upshifts early and refuses to downshift when I try to accelerate. I rarely use eco-mode because it makes the car feel so lethargic.
I drive with the AC on 99% of the time. In the summer for obvious reasons. In the spring I have bad allergies to tree pollen. In the winter, heat with AC feels better than heat alone and the windows don't fog up. If I put the defrost on, my face feels burned so I keep the defrost off. Also you can't listen to audiobooks with the windows open.
So I don't know if my underpowered 4 banger manual shift Crosstrek drives better with the AC off :lol:
I just leave the climate control do it's thing
Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 01, 2020, 05:47:59 AM
In mine it also upshifts early and refuses to downshift when I try to accelerate. I rarely use eco-mode because it makes the car feel so lethargic.
I just have some weird looking little pictures for drive mode settings on my Discovery Sport...
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So I just leave it on ECO.
The eco mode on my MIL's 900cc Captur is hilariously bad. Vmax is like 110kph.
seriously
https://jhpusa.com/products/hasport-billet-rear-engine-mount-2018-accord-1-5t-2-0t
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 02, 2020, 11:07:05 AM
seriously
https://jhpusa.com/products/hasport-billet-rear-engine-mount-2018-accord-1-5t-2-0t
That is now on my to do list..
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on September 03, 2020, 05:28:23 AM
That is now on my to do list..
Of course, I would browse some Accord forums to be sure, but stiffer torque arms are almost always a good idea on powerful FWD cars.
My sway bar won't arrive for at least 2 weeks.. been looking at intakes for more wooshy noises too.
Do it
https://jb4store.com/search?q=accord&type=product
LS swap. Or LT4
Quote from: r0tor on September 03, 2020, 01:15:11 PM
Do it
https://jb4store.com/search?q=accord&type=product
Lol, the front tires just wont hold anymore, and with my commute being so short these days I already have zero places to properly open it up.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on September 03, 2020, 11:09:41 AM
My sway bar won't arrive for at least 2 weeks.. been looking at intakes for more wooshy noises too.
BOV
Quote from: MX793 on September 04, 2020, 06:21:17 AM
BOV
It can't simply be vented on the Honda's as its already past the MAF, the ECU expects it to be there. There is at least one housing someone makes to make it more audible, but if I'm pulling it apart at all, I might as well do the whole thing. Narrowed it down to AEM or Takeda, as they are 2 that use dry filters. I'm not after power, just noise :)
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on September 04, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
It can't simply be vented on the Honda's as its already past the MAF, the ECU expects it to be there. There is at least one housing someone makes to make it more audible, but if I'm pulling it apart at all, I might as well do the whole thing. Narrowed it down to AEM or Takeda, as they are 2 that use dry filters. I'm not after power, just noise :)
I had a 50/50 recirc/vent valve on Fiesta. No probs. :lol:
Did a 60-100 race against my bosses M2. It really wasn't formal, I did the whole thing in 3rd, but it was enough to stay ahead of the M2 struggling for traction. My boss didn't want to talk about it lol..
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on September 18, 2020, 07:49:29 PM
Did a 60-100 race against my bosses M2. It really wasn't formal, I did the whole thing in 3rd, but it was enough to stay ahead of the M2 struggling for traction. My boss didn't want to talk about it lol..
:thumbsup:
Congrats on the buy!
What're your thoughts on the seats? That was ultimately the deal breaker on mine. Months of back issues led to me getting rid of it.
Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2020, 08:58:57 AM
Congrats on the buy!
What're your thoughts on the seats? That was ultimately the deal breaker on mine. Months of back issues led to me getting rid of it.
There is nothing that jumps out at me in terms of comfort, but my longest drive was probably 45min the day I picked it up.
I have found it incredibly difficult to figure out a good position/angle/etc though. I thought I had it nailed but changed it again just last week. Most of that is down to the clutch throw being kinda long and engaging damn near the top of the travel. I've got the lumbar backed right off, the side bolsters are not very deep and being leather covered I felt as though they weren't even there with the lumbar pushing me off of them.
Figured I'd give an update thus far since I'm here.
I've gotten much more used to the power delivery and what constitutes appropriate use of the loud pedal for civil driving. 3rd gear is really all you need as its good from 40-120kph with healthy thrust no matter the speed. The clutch travel can still be annoying but I have gotten more used to it and smooth shifts are much more common now. The shift throws don't strike me as particularly long when I'm in the car, but having driven the CSX again on the weekend, the distance between the gates at least left to right is considerably greater.
I've been pushing it in the handling dept a little more as well, and I really have no complaints at all, but I am still eagerly waiting on my friggin sway bar. The brakes are quite strong, as they kinda need to be given how fast it will gain speed. I do wonder how they would fair during repeated hard use, mainly back to the ability of the car to gain speed and the requirement to scrub off all that energy.
To that end, visibility is kinda shit, at least up close. Raising the drivers seat just a hair helped a lot (though I did that for another reason), but the windows are all very small. This is particularly noticeable getting drive through food. I find the same thing on the gfs 2019 Civic as well. It doesn't help that the Accord is slightly larger overall, I've found myself kinda nervous navigating tighter spaces with it, especially since there is so little sidewall I'd be sure to rash a rim if I got close to anything.
With all the controls adjusted the way I like I get screwed out of seeing the majority of the tach, I have the same issue on the RSX, but not as bad. Given how much of the guage cluster is screen I feel that they could have done more with the center area that never really shows anything but the posted speed limits. The radio needs the folder skip and a folder back button for MP3s. Its a pain to have to click through 3-4 levels to get back to where you were to change to the next folder. The radio does absolutely pound though, no complaints at all there except for the sub induced rattles I've all but chased down now.
One other nitpick I have is the climate controls. They are spread out across the width of the center console. I can't recall the knob/button in the way, but the defrost and one other button is on the passenger side of the console, and at least the way I sit, its not a clearly visible button. Same goes for the drivers heated seat, its behind the steering wheel from my perspective.
Couple suggestions I would make for the "Sport" model:
- Tighter gates on the shifter. Lets face it, if you bought this car, its for a reason. Why they didn't just lift the mechanism out of the Type R or Si, I dunno. I would care less if you didn't have to take apart so much to install the short throw adapters.
- A bit more aggressive exhaust note (or intake). I've caught myself looking at the tach at least once now because I really couldn't tell what it was revving by sound/feel.
- A bit more aggressive suspension setup, and I'm talking a hair here.
- A boost guage? Shift lights? Really there is a LOT of screen, call it hooligan mode or something.
Overall I wouldn't kick it out of bed. It might just be the best looking car I've ever owned IMO. I'll be down to this and the RSX soon enough, I hope. The RSX is still an absolute riot, I think the Accord is just as fun for a host of different reasons.
OT, but I think you have the last RSX on Earth. I think other RSXen have died early deaths by modding. I haven't seen one in years!
Quote from: Laconian on September 21, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
OT, but I think you have the last RSX on Earth. I think other RSXen have died early deaths by modding. I haven't seen one in years!
I think you'd be right. Only 4 years of them though, and I think 2006 sales were probably pretty light as the Si was then available and arguably the better car if not for the LSD and taller 6th gear alone. My thinking is a lot of them had their engines harvested for other cars and the shells just got scrapped. Without that engine the car is just meh, as they found out when the went to the 2.4L and sales tanked.
They were pretty popular cars in their heyday, but they vanished so quickly. And I know it wasn't due to reliability, since contemporary Honda products can still be seen driving around happily (esp. MDX, Accord, CR-V)
Turbochargers inherently muffle engine noises, both intake/induction and exhaust. That's how turbocharged vehicles like the Fiat 500 Abarth and the old Neon SRT4 can get away with not having any exhaust mufflers at all and still be compliant to noise ordinances. That's why BMW and others using ubiquitous 2.0T engines, or turbos in general, have to play fake engine noise over the speakers.
All RSXs I see have been modded and rusted to hell. I haven't seen a clean one and years. I still have a soft spot in my heart for them. Love the way they look, both interior and exterior. I always dreamed to get one as my first car.
Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2020, 04:15:23 PM
All RSXs I see have been modded and rusted to hell. I haven't seen a clean one and years. I still have a soft spot in my heart for them. Love the way they look, both interior and exterior. I always dreamed to get one as my first car.
Same, it was an aspirational car to me during my college years.
(Miata won my heart though, plus they were less than half the price at the time)
I saw a reasonably clean RSX in the neighborhood not too long ago.
RSX was one of my favorite cars at the time.
I think I'd like an early Integra more at this point, due to nostalgia from my parents having one. Not sure which is harder to find.
I think all the RSXs got stolen and/or wrecked???
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 21, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
I think all the RSXs got stolen and/or wrecked???
I was following one today on my scooter. It had a fart cannon and was packed full of kids.
Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2020, 04:15:23 PM
All RSXs I see have been modded and rusted to hell. I haven't seen a clean one and years. I still have a soft spot in my heart for them. Love the way they look, both interior and exterior. I always dreamed to get one as my first car.
You're in Ohio.
Clean ones can be found out west.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 22, 2020, 04:32:37 AM
You're in Ohio.
Clean ones can be found out west.
I don't love them that much :lol:
It's one of those cars, I kind of wish they'd dig the tooling out of storage and start making again. I know that's not a feasible thing, but some cars I wish you could just buy new and cheap, even if they're outdated. The original IS300 and R53 Mini come to mind.
Quote from: MrH on September 22, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
I don't love them that much :lol:
It's one of those cars, I kind of wish they'd dig the tooling out of storage and start making again. I know that's not a feasible thing, but some cars I wish you could just buy new and cheap, even if they're outdated. The original IS300 and R53 Mini come to mind.
Who knows? Maybe China or India will start making them...