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Title: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
450lb-ft out of the 3.5L EB V6TT. Also gonna get the new 10 speed, which is 2 more than the RAM and 4 more than the current F150.....

Less school bus clatter, no stinky piss tanks..... as I said here, there is zero reason why gas engines can't make the same obscene torque that diesels do, with less complication and cost.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/05/ford-crowns-itself-v6-torque-king-debuts-next-generation-ecoboost-engine/ (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/05/ford-crowns-itself-v6-torque-king-debuts-next-generation-ecoboost-engine/)
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 03, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
In before Cougs' "Turbos= bad"
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: FoMoJo on May 03, 2016, 03:48:36 PM
I find this quite interesting...

QuoteA dual-direct and port fuel-injection system delivers fuel to both the intake port and cylinder, while the turbochargers now have a lighter turbine wheel and electrically activated wastegates. Hollow camshafts in the new roller-finger follower valvetrain have weight savings in mind, and beefier intake and exhaust valves are a nod to long-term durability.

Amazing little innovations to step up power and efficiency.
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: MX793 on May 03, 2016, 03:53:04 PM
The dual injector setup is nothing new.  A lot of DI applications use it now it since it seems to alleviate the issue of carbon build up on intake valves that VW and others were having on their early DI motors.  I think Hyundai may have come up with it as the solution.
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: FoMoJo on May 03, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: MX793 on May 03, 2016, 03:53:04 PM
The dual injector setup is nothing new.  A lot of DI applications use it now it since it seems to alleviate the issue of carbon build up on intake valves that VW and others were having on their early DI motors.  I think Hyundai may have come up with it as the solution.
I've read that Toyota have had a dual system for years.  As for the carbon build-up problem, some manufacturers have adapted the DI to spray a bit of fuel on the intake value, I guess when it's open, just to keep it clean.  Really not sure what Hyundai does, but the carbon build-up was, mainly, a VW problem.
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: giant_mtb on May 03, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
Have you heard a new diesel truck in person?  It's nowhere near school bus clatter these days. They're just as loud (quiet) as the V8s, just a different sound. My Tacoma is probably louder than or just as loud as a brand new diesel truck.
Title: Re: Beginning of the end of diesel? Ford V6TT lays torque smackdown on Ram Ecodiesel
Post by: veeman on May 03, 2016, 08:28:23 PM
I like the sound my VW tdi makes on start up/idling.  It has an old motorcycle clatter to it which isn't obtrusive. 

I think it depends on the car whether the diesel clatter is cool or not.  On a pickup, it's cool.  On a modern Caddy, not so cool.