If there's one thing we've learned at the C&D forums, it's that the LEOs who are nice enough to come on the boards and help us out leave pretty quickly with the frequent police bashing that goes on.
At this site, we want any LEO that stumbles onto the forum to feel welcome and stick around! The vast majority of forum members respect and welcome the police officers who are kind enough to answer questions and join in on the discussions. And it does all of us some good to see things from their point of view as well!
So, while everyone is welcome to air their gripe about that nasty ticket they got or rant about "the system," remember that the police officers are out there doing a tough job. Any topics containing inappropriate bashing of law enforcement will be deleted.
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I am very glad that you made that post. The mods at the previous forum weren't willing to do anything about people bashing police enforcement in general as well as police officers. Supposedly they were worried about infringing on the poster's 1st ammendments rights. Rather ridiculous if you ask me since they don't mind infringing the 1st ammendment rights of spammers. This is a private forum (as was the previous board) and the mods have the right to remove anything they find offensive or unapporporiote, no matter what it refers to.
Anyway, police enforcement is a vital tool in retaining our personal freedoms, but sometimes they have to violate some of our basic rights to protect our other rights (for example, one of our rights is,"the pursuit of happiness", but it is rather difficult to pursue happiness of you're dead). To bash and be disrespectful towards people that are willing to sacrifice their own comfort and safety for our personal comfort and safety just isn't approporiate in any setting.
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I really never had a problem with people questioning enforcement techniques, motives or government statistics, etc. But, I never understood why the ignorant "all cops suck" threads were left alone when they really had no value whatsoever.
QuoteI really never had a problem with people questioning enforcement techniques, motives or government statistics, etc. But, I never understood why the ignorant "all cops suck" threads were left alone when they really had no value whatsoever.
I never really understood that either, and I wrote numerous pms to The Bartender regarding some of Stutz' posts with him just saying that he would be violating Stutz' right to freedom of speech if he deleted the very offensive posts (they were offensive to anyone that put any value on life).
Well, know that for every person that thinks badly of law enforcement there are at least 10 that think otherwise. I appreciate you!
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I never really understood that either, and I wrote numerous pms to The Bartender regarding some of Stutz' posts with him just saying that he would be violating Stutz' right to freedom of speech if he deleted the very offensive posts (they were offensive to anyone that put any value on life).
Well, know that for every person that thinks badly of law enforcement there are at least 10 that think otherwise. I appreciate you!
Thanks. I didn't get along with Stutz at all. He was just too ignorant to even converse with. I'll talk with anyone who is reasonable but I can't really stomach ignorant, rude people. I don't agree with JY much either but we've always been very civil and respectful. TCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
BTW, I didn't realize the Bill of Rights extended to internet forums? :huh:
QuoteBTW, I didn't realize the Bill of Rights extended to internet forums? :huh:
Only in special cases apparantly (selective hearing I guess, our judical system apparantly also has it).
QuoteTCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
I think JY gets going because it bugs the hell out of The Nameless One. It's become more of a sport than anything else.
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I never really understood that either, and I wrote numerous pms to The Bartender regarding some of Stutz' posts with him just saying that he would be violating Stutz' right to freedom of speech if he deleted the very offensive posts (they were offensive to anyone that put any value on life).
Well, know that for every person that thinks badly of law enforcement there are at least 10 that think otherwise. I appreciate you!
Thanks. I didn't get along with Stutz at all. He was just too ignorant to even converse with. I'll talk with anyone who is reasonable but I can't really stomach ignorant, rude people. I don't agree with JY much either but we've always been very civil and respectful. TCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
Is Stutz still around? I don't think I've seen any of his posts in months.
Good morning!
I'm here only because of this thread. As stated above I am one of the ones that stopped posting on a regular basis at "that place" as I got sick of the constant bashing. I found a new home and started posting there where the other members are more mature and "take care of" any of the noobs that come in and start badmouthing cops. I get enough of it at work....I don't need it at play too! But now I have two new homes and hopefully this one will stay civil and mature!
I look forward to answering your Canadian law questions and backing up Sgt Catman when he gets put in a corner!
I'm definitely glad that people are finally going to take care of this. I cannot stand the bashing as well.
QuoteBTW, I didn't realize the Bill of Rights extended to internet forums? :huh:
It doesn't. Therefore, I've taken the time to call in a few favors to reserve a few cells down at GTMO for the posters we don't like. :P
B)
Quality LEO input is great. I like the perspectives and informative advice you guys give us. I hope City Pig sticks around...it was entertaining reading about the "duel" between him and VTEC_inside (I think?)!
Hmm, I have come to find that most police that take the time to post on car related forums are usually car enthusiasts themselves, as well as good human beings.
If only the average police officer were as smart and caring as they are.
I can actually say that I've met some really cool police officers, but I have to add that they aren't the norm, sadly.
Anyways, it is cool to hear from police officers who are willing to talk with normal peeps.
Maybe Mr. Beauford T. Justice himself, Officer Bob, will stop by some time. As we all know, "nothing improved your driving like a ticket." :D
Can we get a definition of LEO bashing? I agree that it's really ignorant to go around saying all LEOs are assholes. But what of posters like Officer Bob and tcsd? A lot of the stuff they say is pretty dumb by many peoples' standards, and I'd like to be able to call them on it.
There's nothing wrong with a debate. Dan's talking about the blatant insults and bashing not the discussion so don't worry.
Call anyone out who you'd like. I love messing with good ol' Officer Bob myself. TC...umm..The Nameless One, is a nice guy but as Catman said, is pretty black and white about things. The James Young vs. TCSD arguments are forum classics.
Basically, all I meant was the people who come on the boards and start pretty much just start saying insulting things about police officers just for the sake of doing it. As City Pig said, who needs that BS in a forum when you deal with it all day anyway.
Here's a dumb question...but what exactly does LEO stand for? LEOfficer...lol...but what's the L and E? Is it just Law Enforcement Officer? :unsure:
QuoteHere's a dumb question...but what exactly does LEO stand for? LEOfficer...lol...but what's the L and E? Is it just Law Enforcement Officer? :unsure:
That one got me for a while too, it's Law Enforcement Officer I think
QuoteQuoteHere's a dumb question...but what exactly does LEO stand for? LEOfficer...lol...but what's the L and E? Is it just Law Enforcement Officer? :unsure:
That one got me for a while too, it's Law Enforcement Officer I think
Yeah
QuoteQuoteQuoteHere's a dumb question...but what exactly does LEO stand for? LEOfficer...lol...but what's the L and E? Is it just Law Enforcement Officer? :unsure:
That one got me for a while too, it's Law Enforcement Officer I think
Yeah
OH! Who's the kid that guessed right?! :P
QuoteThere's nothing wrong with a debate. Dan's talking about the blatant insults and bashing not the discussion so don't worry.
QuoteThere's nothing wrong with a debate. Dan's talking about the blatant insults and bashing not the discussion so don't worry.
That's what I was thinking, but I had to make sure... :)
Sounds like a good idea to encourage LEOs to visit the boards and stay awhile, but maybe we should change the name of this thread to something more like "Avoiding Police Bashing" or "No Police Bashing". If I was a policeman and I saw a thread named "Police Bashing" stuck at the top of the message board, I likely wouldn't stay for long. :unsure:
QuoteSounds like a good idea to encourage LEOs to visit the boards and stay awhile, but maybe we should change the name of this thread to something more like "Avoiding Police Bashing" or "No Police Bashing". If I was a policeman and I saw a thread named "Police Bashing" stuck at the top of the message board, I likely wouldn't stay for long. :unsure:
Good idea!
QuoteQuoteI really never had a problem with people questioning enforcement techniques, motives or government statistics, etc. But, I never understood why the ignorant "all cops suck" threads were left alone when they really had no value whatsoever.
I never really understood that either, and I wrote numerous pms to The Bartender regarding some of Stutz' posts with him just saying that he would be violating Stutz' right to freedom of speech if he deleted the very offensive posts (they were offensive to anyone that put any value on life).
Well, know that for every person that thinks badly of law enforcement there are at least 10 that think otherwise. I appreciate you!
I save most of my old PM's, and I don't recall "numerous" PM's on the point. Plus, as many can attest, I'm the last person to bring up freedom of speech, because i'm the FIRST person to point out that you have NONE on a private web forum, other than at the hands of the owners (or their appointed deputies)
As for Stutz, you also have no idea what I said to him, or didn't say. He was banned at one point, and might still be, I haven't checked, for some of his more flagrant comments.
I severly dislike reprimanding anyone in public, unless absolutely necessary (or if they something REALLY stupid. I will admit to a failing on that count), so assuming that nothing happened just because you don't think anything happened is wrong.
I do allow a little more leniency regarding comments towards LEO's, IF, I Repeat IF, the LEO in question has made some "out there" comments himself, ala Officer Bob. Also, the matter of some forum member "blowing off steam" on a forum is often a GOOD thing, rather than letting the frustration buildup to the point that they could conceivable do something rash. (There's a lot of road rage out there, and it ain't just psychotics who have the problems.)
The biggest problem I have overall with the issue is that my father was a MD State Police LT, with 25 years on the job. When I see critical comments regarding cops, I often end up conflicted, and sometimes let a bit more get by than SOME people think I should,m just because I don't want to seem OVER SENSITIVE on the matter. In short, I don't want a bunch of people crying about my deleting threads on the basis of my being the son of a trooper.
I've never been able to find someone wto be a mod in D & L who I felt was balancd enough on the issue. Obviously, the cops are going to feel one way, and people like James Young and The Speed Criminal will feel differently.
That said, I do agree that James YOung manages to make his points eloquently in most cases, and stays mature and clean even if I disagree with him.
You guys know me... I got a lot of respect for LEOs...
Come to think of it, I'm wondering if anyone misunderstood my motives in that one thread I started about my friend getting arrested...
cops stink! :angry:
:D
And with that, I begin my time here @ CarSPIN... lol
FWIW, I have no special moderator power in that particular forum, so there's little that I can do.
Sometimes it can get tiring, but on a whole, I'd have to say the cop bashing isn't as bad there as I've seen it on other sites.
The primary offenders are Stutz & Dweeb, it seems, but neither posts on a consistent basis. I could be wrong, tho'
Bartender, do you know where The Speed Criminal went? Any way to contact him?
QuoteYou guys know me... I got a lot of respect for LEOs...
Come to think of it, I'm wondering if anyone misunderstood my motives in that one thread I started about my friend getting arrested...
I didn't misunderstand you, he's your friend so it's personal. No big deal. :)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI really never had a problem with people questioning enforcement techniques, motives or government statistics, etc. But, I never understood why the ignorant "all cops suck" threads were left alone when they really had no value whatsoever.
I never really understood that either, and I wrote numerous pms to The Bartender regarding some of Stutz' posts with him just saying that he would be violating Stutz' right to freedom of speech if he deleted the very offensive posts (they were offensive to anyone that put any value on life).
Well, know that for every person that thinks badly of law enforcement there are at least 10 that think otherwise. I appreciate you!
I save most of my old PM's, and I don't recall "numerous" PM's on the point. Plus, as many can attest, I'm the last person to bring up freedom of speech, because i'm the FIRST person to point out that you have NONE on a private web forum, other than at the hands of the owners (or their appointed deputies)
As for Stutz, you also have no idea what I said to him, or didn't say. He was banned at one point, and might still be, I haven't checked, for some of his more flagrant comments.
I severly dislike reprimanding anyone in public, unless absolutely necessary (or if they something REALLY stupid. I will admit to a failing on that count), so assuming that nothing happened just because you don't think anything happened is wrong.
I do allow a little more leniency regarding comments towards LEO's, IF, I Repeat IF, the LEO in question has made some "out there" comments himself, ala Officer Bob. Also, the matter of some forum member "blowing off steam" on a forum is often a GOOD thing, rather than letting the frustration buildup to the point that they could conceivable do something rash. (There's a lot of road rage out there, and it ain't just psychotics who have the problems.)
The biggest problem I have overall with the issue is that my father was a MD State Police LT, with 25 years on the job. When I see critical comments regarding cops, I often end up conflicted, and sometimes let a bit more get by than SOME people think I should,m just because I don't want to seem OVER SENSITIVE on the matter. In short, I don't want a bunch of people crying about my deleting threads on the basis of my being the son of a trooper.
I've never been able to find someone wto be a mod in D & L who I felt was balancd enough on the issue. Obviously, the cops are going to feel one way, and people like James Young and The Speed Criminal will feel differently.
That said, I do agree that James YOung manages to make his points eloquently in most cases, and stays mature and clean even if I disagree with him.
Some how I can only find the one I sent to you (I also reported the culprit post at least once) and not your reply. I also sent the PM to both you and Troy, so either Troy was the one that made the reply regarding 1st ammendment rights and you just ignored it or you did indeed say that you couldn't do anything without violating Stutz' rights. Since you either just ignored me or told me that you wouldn't do anything I think it is pretty safe to say that I know what you did in that particular instance.
QuoteQuoteYou guys know me... I got a lot of respect for LEOs...
Come to think of it, I'm wondering if anyone misunderstood my motives in that one thread I started about my friend getting arrested...
I didn't misunderstand you, he's your friend so it's personal. No big deal. :)
The main purpose was really to question the whole thing, because I was confused over what rights someone would have in that particular case.
Like I said back there, I never knew off-duty cops had that kind of jurisdiction.;)
For the most part, if I saw a "cops suck" topic, I only left it open if there were people making an ass out of the dork who posted it.
Face it, I had a good time watching the members shooing the newbs off who were there just to start crap. :praise:
QuoteFor the most part, if I saw a "cops suck" topic, I only left it open if there were people making an ass out of the dork who posted it.
Face it, I had a good time watching the members shooing the newbs off who were there just to start crap. :praise:
Yes, it could be entertaining. :lol:
This would be a nice change. I give them respect for doing what needs to be done. Even if sometimes they get the wrong guy (like me :P ).
QuoteQuoteTCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
I think JY gets going because it bugs the hell out of The Nameless One. It's become more of a sport than anything else.
Sport is certainly a part of it. I feel guilty because it's like I'm picking on the retarded kid down the block and my parents taught me better than that.
But TCSD always manages to come up with some truly absurd statement or postion that requires a response.
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I've never been able to find someone wto be a mod in D & L who I felt was balancd enough on the issue. Obviously, the cops are going to feel one way, and people like James Young and The Speed Criminal will feel differently.
That said, I do agree that James YOung manages to make his points eloquently in most cases, and stays mature and clean even if I disagree with him.
Thank, Bartender. I would make a terribe mod because my attitude is that posters can write what they want and readers just deal with it. I'd never ban or delete anybody.
QuoteThe Bartender writes:
I've never been able to find someone wto be a mod in D & L who I felt was balancd enough on the issue. Obviously, the cops are going to feel one way, and people like James Young and The Speed Criminal will feel differently.
That said, I do agree that James YOung manages to make his points eloquently in most cases, and stays mature and clean even if I disagree with him.
Thank, Bartender. I would make a terribe mod because my attitude is that posters can write what they want and readers just deal with it. I'd never ban or delete anybody.
I haven't had the chance to use my super mod powers for anything but good. Moved a couple of topics, that's about it.
I wouldn't mind banning or deleting someone, I haven't had the opportunity yet :lol:
I definitely agree with the suggestion to avoid LEO bashing.
One of the more tiresome things is to read the classic "I got busted doing 90 in a 55. I got a ticket. This is bullshit. Cops suck." thread that appeared fairly often in the C&D forums.
One thing I've always observed is that guys who take responsibility for their driving practices are almost always better drivers than those who do not.
Most of my friends are pretty typical younger guys -- they enjoy speed, like to be on the wrong side of the law in some minor way, and aren't particularly afraid to risk manageable penalties to indulge these tendencies. Consequently, most of my friends have accumulated a respectable number of tickets in their years of driving, as have I.
Most of us tend to make light of it when we get a ticket. We joke about it, shrug off the penalty, and return to our speeding ways. And almost all my buddies who do this are excellent drivers. They may be fast, but I feel totally safe riding with them. And these guys never bash cops, no matter how many tickets they get.
I have one friend who is a bit of a cop basher. He gets tickets, and blames the cops for the tickets he gets. And guess what -- his driving sucks. I don't think that's a coincidence.
I respect LEOs for the job that they do. I'd never make it as an LEO for a few reasons, one of which is that I have terrible aim with a gun. And I naturally respect those who do a needed job that I would find difficult to do. Like any profession, there are some who abuse their power, but the vast majority of LEOs do not abuse their power in any significant way. They may sometimes project a hard edge, but this is typical of those who work in male-dominated professions, and who are exposed frequently to the uglier side of life that the rest of us do our best to avoid.
There were some good LEOs on the C&D forum, guys like Catman, Pete Broccolo, CityPig and even Officer Bob (if he's a real cop), who I find very amusing. I hope that LEOs will find a friendly atmosphere here.
Yup, cops where I live have real tough jobs that involve stopping no real crime and sitting in Chevy Tahoes all day long and occasionally setting up speed traps to harass teenagers.
I've always been nice to LEOs on the forum though, however I do not hide my disdain for the police force in general.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHere's a dumb question...but what exactly does LEO stand for? LEOfficer...lol...but what's the L and E? Is it just Law Enforcement Officer? :unsure:
That one got me for a while too, it's Law Enforcement Officer I think
Yeah
No, it's French (since the first established modern police organization was in France), meaning
le officier, French for "those whose ability to oppress the rights of citizens is unfettered".
Okay, I'm done. Promise. :D
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You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Quote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
Quote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
I know. I'm done, I promise. Other than individual accounts, I will not bash the police force on the whole. However, I must say that generally, I've been respectful to the LEOs on the forums--even you, City Pig. Although, I do rib Catman a bit much.
And I'm only 30 minutes north of Philadelphia, for the record.
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You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
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you might be surprised about how much abuse of authority exists out there. These are not mutually exclusive conditions. I have no doubt that the LEOs who post here write the truth and that they sincerely believe that the police serve a valuable purpose with honor. I agree with that.
However, that does not mean that there are not individual cops out there who abuse their authority and exist solely to man speed traps. I can personally attest from experience and academic knowledge about a dozen such villages in Oklahoma where this is the case. These cops do not investigate crimes, that duty falling to the county sheriff. They run radar and they write tickets for the money. I?m not even sure if they are credentialed yet they have the same authority as you, Catman, Themis and Pete. We have to deal with these guys every day even if you don?t.
While I do not doubt the intent or the professionalism or the word of our LEO posters, a single encounter with ol? Bubba Fife destroys any goodwill you had managed to build up. Just because you don?t do what many of the posts allege doesn?t mean it does not happen.
Unfortunately, there are small towns that probably fund their own existence. JY, you're right about the public perception problem. Traffic enforcement is often the thing that ruins relations if done wrong. If done properly however, it can be a benefit to a community with unique issues. Since I rarely do any highway work my perspective is almost soley to do with residential and secondary roadways. On these type of roads excessive speed and distraction can often lead to horrific consequences. The ability to stop is often not considered by ignorant drivers. While I don't necessarily believe all limits are fair I, like most LEO's, approach each situation with flexibility and descretion. Often times speeding through residential areas saves no time at all. Kind of like the guy who holeshots traffic light to traffic light. No matter how slow you go you're always right behind him at every light.
Good post Catman.
I remember a thread probably over a year ago on C&D where someone asked whether people respect city/local police or state police more. The concensus seemed to be that state police often looked big and tough with the cowboy hats and there was a "forced" respect towards them, but peoples' experiences with them were almost solely negative (ie. getting a traffic ticket).
While local police often didn't have as snazzy uniforms or looked as tough, people generally respected them more because their experiences wth local police was more positive. Local police (at least in most areas) tend to be out in the community helping out rather than stuck in cars at the side of the highway slingin' tickets for the whole shift. No matter what other duties state police fill (I really don't know personally) that's the public perception.
QuoteGood post Catman.
I remember a thread probably over a year ago on C&D where someone asked whether people respect city/local police or state police more. The concensus seemed to be that state police often looked big and tough with the cowboy hats and there was a "forced" respect towards them, but peoples' experiences with them were almost solely negative (ie. getting a traffic ticket).
While local police often didn't have as snazzy uniforms or looked as tough, people generally respected them more because their experiences wth local police was more positive. Local police (at least in most areas) tend to be out in the community helping out rather than stuck in cars at the side of the highway slingin' tickets for the whole shift. No matter what other duties state police fill (I really don't know personally) that's the public perception.
TurboDan, I think you make a good point about local police versus state police, but I think it's largely a matter of perception.
People are more likely to know local police on a personal level, and to have received some positive help from local police. For most people, their only contact with state police is receiving a ticket.
Still, state police do help people, especially in situations where they are stranded with broken down cars, mechanical problems, etc. The nature of their job is different, but that doesn't mean that they are less helpful in reality than local police.
As for me, I have been both helped and ticketed by both state and local police. I'm impartial between the two. I needed the help and deserved the tickets, so in both cases the officers did their jobs. I can't say I've had a negative experience with any police officer, state or local, that I didn't bring upon myself.
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You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
And you might be surprised about how much abuse of authority exists out there. These are not mutually exclusive conditions. I have no doubt that the LEOs who post here write the truth and that they sincerely believe that the police serve a valuable purpose with honor. I agree with that.
However, that does not mean that there are not individual cops out there who abuse their authority and exist solely to man speed traps. I can personally attest from experience and academic knowledge about a dozen such villages in Oklahoma where this is the case. These cops do not investigate crimes, that duty falling to the county sheriff. They run radar and they write tickets for the money. I?m not even sure if they are credentialed yet they have the same authority as you, Catman, Themis and Pete. We have to deal with these guys every day even if you don?t.
While I do not doubt the intent or the professionalism or the word of our LEO posters, a single encounter with ol? Bubba Fife destroys any goodwill you had managed to build up. Just because you don?t do what many of the posts allege doesn?t mean it does not happen.
Nope, it wouldn't surprise me. I hear about it every time I log onto a forum... :angry:
The amazing thing is this....You guys will let ONE negative experience ruin your perception of ALL law enforcement personnel however I deal with MANY idiots every day that assault their wives, rob old ladies and murder their own children but yet I still don't paint every person with the same brush... And that's what my point is.
City Pig writes:
Nope, it wouldn't surprise me. I hear about it every time I log onto a forum...
CP, with all due respect, if that?s where you first hear of it, it?s already too late.
The amazing thing is this....You guys will let ONE negative experience ruin your perception of ALL law enforcement personnel however I deal with MANY idiots every day that assault their wives, rob old ladies and murder their own children but yet I still don't paint every person with the same brush... And that's what my point is.
I understand and appreciate your point as well as recognize it as accurate. I know of several petty and isolated events ? some Tulsa PD officers were stealing valuables out of crashed cars before the wreckers could haul them away ? because I still hear old-timers talking about it even though it occurred in about 1955.
My continuing challenge to all the good LEOs is to actively work to bad officers. If the officers? association or union in LA had fought to remove the guys who beat up Rodney King, we could have avoided the riots after their acquittal. Further, that event was just one among a continuing pattern of accepted, even encouraged behavior. The good LEOs knew it was going on and let it go.
The public trusts you with enormous authority and even approves deadly force if appropriate. The burden on you is that you cannot betray that trust by ignoring abuses of that trust.
I wouldn't say the Rodney King episode is a good example. There are some details there that many people choose to ignore and instead classify it as "police brutality".
Anyways, I see YOUR point as well. Yes there are some that abuse it but I see many more GOOD officers everyday than I do BAD officers. Not many people start this job with the intent to beat people up on a regular basis. The vast majority of us are out there trying to make a difference in this world that is quickly going downhill. Unfortunately most people here (and especially the younger ones) only see the police as "asses that give out speeding tickets and harass us teenagers". Once they own property and someone decides to damage it or heaven forbid something happens to a family member they'll be the first ones saying "Where the hell are the police?" With my 20 tickets this year I'll bet I have done a lot more than "harass the teenagers" with speeding tickets.
City Pig is right. None of the officers I've ever known personally got on the job because they wanted to intimidate people and beat them up. Actually, most of the cops who are friends of mine are sons of police officers. In NY at least, it's often a family thing as much as any other recruiting effort.
The Rodney King case was a pretty "out there" example for this thread. Personally, I really appreciate that there are strong police unions. Too often, politicians, the media, and "community leaders" are so against the police, there needs to be a strong organization to support the police. Pat Lynch, the PBA leader in NYC, is an excellent spokesman for the NYPD. When the lynch mob (often led by the media, and then exacerbated by overzealous prosecutors looking to make a name for thesmelves) is out to get an officer, there aren't too many other ways for the officers to tell their side of the story. And 99% of the time, the officer's side is the right one.
My point is that there are WAY too many people out to bash the police for everything they do, and the unions are really the ONLY countering force in most cases. That might mean a few rouge cops slip through the cracks, but the alternative would be the tying of the hands of officers to the point where they'd be afraid to actually go out and catch the criminals.
QuoteI wouldn't say the Rodney King episode is a good example. There are some details there that many people choose to ignore and instead classify it as "police brutality".
Anyways, I see YOUR point as well. Yes there are some that abuse it but I see many more GOOD officers everyday than I do BAD officers. Not many people start this job with the intent to beat people up on a regular basis. The vast majority of us are out there trying to make a difference in this world that is quickly going downhill. Unfortunately most people here (and especially the younger ones) only see the police as "asses that give out speeding tickets and harass us teenagers". Once they own property and someone decides to damage it or heaven forbid something happens to a family member they'll be the first ones saying "Where the hell are the police?" With my 20 tickets this year I'll bet I have done a lot more than "harass the teenagers" with speeding tickets.
I'm not saying you do it, but isn't setting up speed traps around the local high school in the mornings harassing teenagers? Late teenagers? Making them even more late?
QuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
:lol: :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
:lol: :lol:
Must be because of the way you act/speak that got me mixed up... ;) :P
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
:lol: :lol:
Must be because of the way you act/speak that got me mixed up... ;) :P
HEY!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: rokon.gif rokon.gif rokon.gif
PS. You got a nice bike man. how much does it weigh and cost?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
:lol: :lol:
Must be because of the way you act/speak that got me mixed up... ;) :P
HEY!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: rokon.gif rokon.gif rokon.gif
PS. You got a nice bike man. how much does it weigh and cost?
lol I was only joking...
But...about the bike...it's pretty heavy at about 28-30 pounds but the extra heft just makes me a stronger rider, so I like it. I just bought it last year (almost exactly one year ago, actually) and it was approx. 820 bucks including tax. Pretty good steal for the quality of it...it sure can take a beating.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You might be surprised at what occurs outside BF, Idaho where you live. In some other areas the police actually do fight crime....I know, I know, it's hard to believe.
It's getting old.
Would that BF,Idaho stand for Butt F*ck, Idaho? Sorry, Raza, but you asked for it. And in the "avoid police bashing" forum no less! Shamless. :D
:lol: :lol: LOL! :lol: :lol:
as for me, my record is clean, so i have no problem with LEO's. :praise:
That's cause you're a kid...
? i drive you know.
You do?
yes....
How old are you?
16...
Oh...I thought you were like my age...like 14 or something..nvm then. :P :rockon:
:lol: :lol:
Must be because of the way you act/speak that got me mixed up... ;) :P
HEY!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: rokon.gif rokon.gif rokon.gif
PS. You got a nice bike man. how much does it weigh and cost?
lol I was only joking...
But...about the bike...it's pretty heavy at about 28-30 pounds but the extra heft just makes me a stronger rider, so I like it. I just bought it last year (almost exactly one year ago, actually) and it was approx. 820 bucks including tax. Pretty good steal for the quality of it...it sure can take a beating.
disc brakes. :praise:
Yes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
QuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
QuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
QuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
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QuoteQuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
maybe i do them wrong. how do you do wheeilies?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
maybe i do them wrong. how do you do wheeilies?
Well...you want a gear that's low so you can get the wheel up without having to exert all that much force, but you want the gear to be high enough so that once the wheel is up you can get up to a higher speed so it's easier to maintain balance yet not be spinning your legs as fast as you can cause you're in first gear...I usually will do wheelies in 3rd or 4th gear. Go farther back on the seat than normal and keep your weight back, then put your strong leg's pedal in about the one or two o'clock position and push down on that foot and at the same time pull up on the handlebars...and you have to keep spinnin your legs...just don't use too much power or you'll flip back. (that's easy to control though because you'll instinctly put your feet down...)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
maybe i do them wrong. how do you do wheeilies?
Well...you want a gear that's low so you can get the wheel up without having to exert all that much force, but you want the gear to be high enough so that once the wheel is up you can get up to a higher speed so it's easier to maintain balance yet not be spinning your legs as fast as you can cause you're in first gear...I usually will do wheelies in 3rd or 4th gear. Go farther back on the seat than normal and keep your weight back, then put your strong leg's pedal in about the one or two o'clock position and push down on that foot and at the same time pull up on the handlebars...and you have to keep spinnin your legs...just don't use too much power or you'll flip back. (that's easy to control though because you'll instinctly put your feet down...)
so you sit down while doing wheelies?
i can only do front wheel wheelies. :rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYes sir. 5 inches of travel in the rear. 2.75 to 4.5 inches in the front. All aluminum alloy frame... I can do just about anything with it... :praise:
can you do wheelies? i can't do it even if i tried my hardest. my bike is too heavy.
lol I can do wheelies on just about any bike...you just gotta have the leg strength to get that first "oomph" on the pedal to pop up the front end...and of course pull up with your arms... But yeah...I can do wheelies for about 25 feet at longest... :praise: I don't really practice them, though, although they are a good way to pracitce balanace and "throttle". (how hard you push on the pedals)
maybe i do them wrong. how do you do wheeilies?
Well...you want a gear that's low so you can get the wheel up without having to exert all that much force, but you want the gear to be high enough so that once the wheel is up you can get up to a higher speed so it's easier to maintain balance yet not be spinning your legs as fast as you can cause you're in first gear...I usually will do wheelies in 3rd or 4th gear. Go farther back on the seat than normal and keep your weight back, then put your strong leg's pedal in about the one or two o'clock position and push down on that foot and at the same time pull up on the handlebars...and you have to keep spinnin your legs...just don't use too much power or you'll flip back. (that's easy to control though because you'll instinctly put your feet down...)
so you sit down while doing wheelies?
i can only do front wheel wheelies. :rolleyes:
Yeah...I'll sit down when doing wheelies. (although if your bike is heavier you can stand up...it will make it easier) I stand up when I do wheelies if I'm in 6th gear or higher...otherwise I'm sitting...
I can do front wheelies too. :P Actually they're called "endos"...it's fun to do an endo, then as soon as your back tire touches back on the ground do a front-wheel wheelie...pretty sweet. :praise:
are BigHits good? i think they're made by specialized....
Big Hits are heavy... very heavy. But they're very good bikes for going down hills and off buildings.
QuoteBig Hits are heavy... very heavy. But they're very good bikes for going down hills and off buildings.
can't be heavier than my bike. do you know how much it weighs?
I can't stand big hit bikes. My Ellsworth weighs about 25 lbs.
QuoteI can't stand big hit bikes. My Ellsworth weighs about 25 lbs.
how much do they weigh?
Well, I've been slightly out of the loop but I'd say 29+ lbs. avg probably over 30 lbs since dowhill bikes tend to be close to 50 lbs. Cross Country full suspension seem to be between 23-26 for an average.
QuoteWell, I've been slightly out of the loop but I'd say 29+ lbs. avg probably over 30 lbs since dowhill bikes tend to be close to 50 lbs. Cross Country full suspension seem to be between 23-26 for an average.
my bicycle is 34 lbs. porky thing. :angry: rokon.gif
anyway, i want a Trek TR30 BMX bike. :rockon:
QuoteQuoteWell, I've been slightly out of the loop but I'd say 29+ lbs. avg probably over 30 lbs since dowhill bikes tend to be close to 50 lbs. Cross Country full suspension seem to be between 23-26 for an average.
my bicycle is 34 lbs. porky thing. :angry: rokon.gif
anyway, i want a Trek TR30 BMX bike. :rockon:
I have a Standard 125R cruiser if you're interested. It's a race bike though. I co-run a track up here:
Billerica BMX (http://www.billericabmx.com)
(http://www.billericabmx.com/graphics/125Rsmall.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, I've been slightly out of the loop but I'd say 29+ lbs. avg probably over 30 lbs since dowhill bikes tend to be close to 50 lbs. Cross Country full suspension seem to be between 23-26 for an average.
my bicycle is 34 lbs. porky thing. :angry: rokon.gif
anyway, i want a Trek TR30 BMX bike. :rockon:
I have a Standard 125R cruiser if you're interested. It's a race bike though. I co-run a track up here:
Billerica BMX (http://www.billericabmx.com)
(http://www.billericabmx.com/graphics/125Rsmall.jpg)
nice track!
I have a MGX Mongoose D50I. can't find any pics though.
here's what i want:
(http://www2.trekbikes.com/images/bikes_my05/kids_bmx/bmx/medium/tr30.jpg)
:praise:
I have a Schwinn freestyle to raffle off next month. It's green. I think this is it.
(http://www.schwinnbike.com/images/catalog/lg_36.57.S5_GLB_LAVIN100_LOTTAGRN.jpg)
QuoteI have a Schwinn freestyle to raffle off next month. It's green. I think this is it.
(http://www.schwinnbike.com/images/catalog/lg_36.57.S5_GLB_LAVIN100_LOTTAGRN.jpg)
is it part of a contest?
Its our anuual Race For Life fundraiser event so we added a raffle bike to promote it.
QuoteIts our anuual Race For Life fundraiser event so we added a raffle bike to promote it.
i see. My school was also giving away a $600 Trek bike.
Since I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
QuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
QuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
QuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
Yeah...I did a 48 mile race last year...I was 13 years old. My time was 3 hours and 55 minutes...I'm shootin' for 3.5 hours this year... :praise:
I ride 30+ miles every day during the summer...so yeah...
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
Yeah...I did a 48 mile race last year...I was 13 years old. My time was 3 hours and 55 minutes...I'm shootin' for 3.5 hours this year... :praise:
I ride 30+ miles every day during the summer...so yeah...
every day??? do you have a 6-pack or something? :o
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
Yeah...I did a 48 mile race last year...I was 13 years old. My time was 3 hours and 55 minutes...I'm shootin' for 3.5 hours this year... :praise:
I ride 30+ miles every day during the summer...so yeah...
every day??? do you have a 6-pack or something? :o
lol... Yeah every day. And yeah I do have a 6-pack but you can't get that from just biking...you gotta work on it by itself. Therefore I do crunches and different sorts or ab workouts every night...works wonders when you meet a girl for the first time... :P :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
Yeah...I did a 48 mile race last year...I was 13 years old. My time was 3 hours and 55 minutes...I'm shootin' for 3.5 hours this year... :praise:
I ride 30+ miles every day during the summer...so yeah...
every day??? do you have a 6-pack or something? :o
lol... Yeah every day. And yeah I do have a 6-pack but you can't get that from just biking...you gotta work on it by itself. Therefore I do crunches and different sorts or ab workouts every night...works wonders when you meet a girl for the first time... :P :lol:
:o :o :o :o
MrYumYum: you're a scary person. :o
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I'm not saying you do it, but isn't setting up speed traps around the local high school in the mornings harassing teenagers? Late teenagers? Making them even more late?
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Most schools are in residential areas...So if they're speeding in a residential area while other kids are walking to school then I say they are fair game.
QuoteIts our anuual Race For Life fundraiser event so we added a raffle bike to promote it.
That's funny.....I won my mountain bike for meeting my quota last month!!!!! D'oh!!!! B)
And I have a Giant Iquana bike... :)
If kids are present your ass should be lit up for speeding in a school zone, there are too many unknowns to risk the life of a child and yours as well.
QuoteIf kids are present your ass should be lit up for speeding in a school zone, there are too many unknowns to risk the life of a child and yours as well.
no one can speed near my school. there's only one entrance, and it's always jammed for about a mile long. that's why i walk to school. :)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSince I missed it...Specialized Big Hits weigh approx. 28-30 pounds...about as much as my bike...which is quite sad because the Big Hit is designed to go off 15 foot drops yet my bike can do 5 foot drops max and is biased towards cross country riding...but I don't care because at least I got the guts to ride that thing in races... :praise:
My best friend actually put money down on a Big Hit...he might actually be getting it tomorrow...should be a blast. :lol: :lol:
my mongoose is 34 pounds, so quite yer complaining! :angry:
Yeah...but what I'm saying is that I race a 30 pound semi-freeride bike while all the other people are riding on sub-25 pound cross country racers...yet I still beat them. When you're 13 years old and you smoke over 300 out of approx. 500 people that are all at least 3 years older than you in a 48 mile race with a 30 pound bike you feel accomplished in that sense.
48miles!!!??? :o
Yeah...I did a 48 mile race last year...I was 13 years old. My time was 3 hours and 55 minutes...I'm shootin' for 3.5 hours this year... :praise:
I ride 30+ miles every day during the summer...so yeah...
every day??? do you have a 6-pack or something? :o
lol... Yeah every day. And yeah I do have a 6-pack but you can't get that from just biking...you gotta work on it by itself. Therefore I do crunches and different sorts or ab workouts every night...works wonders when you meet a girl for the first time... :P :lol:
:o :o :o :o
MrYumYum: you're a scary person. :o
I know...I can't help it some times...
:P :rockon:
QuoteQuoteIts our anuual Race For Life fundraiser event so we added a raffle bike to promote it.
That's funny.....I won my mountain bike for meeting my quota last month!!!!! D'oh!!!! B)
And I have a Giant Iquana bike... :)
Nice bike. :D
it's too bad that Dave isn't the leader for posts anymore.
Quoteit's too bad that Dave isn't the leader for posts anymore.
:o As of right now he is...?
QuoteQuoteit's too bad that Dave isn't the leader for posts anymore.
:o As of right now he is...?
:rolleyes:
Quoteit's too bad that Dave isn't the leader for posts anymore.
Too bad that Raghavan couldnt get his posts legitamately. :rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteit's too bad that Dave isn't the leader for posts anymore.
Too bad that Raghavan couldnt get his posts legitamately. :rolleyes:
:lol:
it's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
Quoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
QuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
QuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
Hey, I found out what my bike is. its a Ross MT. Washington with shocks. I'll try to get a picture.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
Hey, I found out what my bike is. its a Ross MT. Washington with shocks. I'll try to get a picture.
Yeah...Google fails to produce a decent pic...(that's almost a first)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
Hey, I found out what my bike is. its a Ross MT. Washington with shocks. I'll try to get a picture.
Yeah...Google fails to produce a decent pic...(that's almost a first)
Really? Google never gives me the pics I want...
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
Hey, I found out what my bike is. its a Ross MT. Washington with shocks. I'll try to get a picture.
Yeah...Google fails to produce a decent pic...(that's almost a first)
Really? Google never gives me the pics I want...
Sometimes Google really blows.
Quoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
He dont?
Raza doesn't like cops...at all...
Hey, I found out what my bike is. its a Ross MT. Washington with shocks. I'll try to get a picture.
Yeah...Google fails to produce a decent pic...(that's almost a first)
Really? Google never gives me the pics I want...
Sometimes Google really blows.
Yea, its not the first time I havent gotten pictures I've wanted or needed for a project for school or something.
QuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
QuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
IT IS!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
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I'm just rolling my eyes at him rolling his eyes at you rolling your eyes at him rolling his eyes.......and on and on....
:rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
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I'm just rolling my eyes at him rolling his eyes at you rolling your eyes at him rolling his eyes.......and on and on....
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
getting in on the fun :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteit's too bad Raza doesn't understand the purpose of cops.
:rolleyes:
it's true...
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
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I'm just rolling my eyes at him rolling his eyes at you rolling your eyes at him rolling his eyes.......and on and on....
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
getting in on the fun :praise:
Boo Ya!
:rockon:
Some cops are assholes and some are not. I don't think its really fair to censor people and not allow them to share their opinion. As long as the poster isn't trolling and posting anti-cop material on a daily basis it doesn't seem like it should be a problem.
QuoteSome cops are assholes and some are not. I don't think its really fair to censor people and not allow them to share their opinion. As long as the poster isn't trolling and posting anti-cop material on a daily basis it doesn't seem like it should be a problem.
No one is prevented from opinions here. However, arbitrary and stereotypical bashing isn't tolerated against anyone, even cops. B)
I'm here cuz I got kicked out of CopWatch.com. :D
Plus I was invited by Catman.come_on.getrid/of_bigfishy.org :clap:
Welcome, hounddog.
QuoteI'm here cuz I got kicked out of CopWatch.com. :D
Plus I was invited by Catman.come_on.getrid/of_bigfishy.org :clap:
After reading your reference to copwatch on o.com I went over there. I thought I was prepared for what I would see but I didn't expect it to be so nasty. That one guy, I think the admin, is a total dick.
Hmmmmm....Too bad I'm not mentioned on there....
Sounds like a bunch of wingnuts to me! I don't mind a little skepticism but these folks are a little off the wall. They're probably the same type of people that call you on and then say "I wasn't talking to you, officer" when you challenge them or wait until the handcuffs are on and are in the back of the cruiser before they start being the tough guy. To them I say...........Whatever.
Oh! And this too :growup: :praise:
Edit: cuz I kant spel
QuoteWelcome, hounddog.
Thank you. I'm new to the whole internet thing, gettin a little old!!! :( Never really played on it before. I like it here so far, even the people who seem to disagree seem to somehow get along!
QuoteQuoteI'm here cuz I got kicked out of CopWatch.com. :D
Plus I was invited by Catman.come_on.getrid/of_bigfishy.org :clap:
After reading your reference to copwatch on o.com I went over there. I thought I was prepared for what I would see but I didn't expect it to be so nasty. That one guy, I think the admin, is a total dick.
You must be referring to "duncan". Yup, total dick. I got kicked out because I invited him to meet with me so I could show him what real police brutality looks like. He wouldn't take me up on it. :devil: Big surprise, all talk, no action. I told him I would fly to colorado too.
QuoteHmmmmm....Too bad I'm not mentioned on there....
Sounds like a bunch of wingnuts to me! I don't mind a little skepticism but these folks are a little off the wall. They're probably the same type of people that call you on and then say "I wasn't talking to you, officer" when you challenge them or wait until the handcuffs are on and are in the back of the cruiser before they start being the tough guy. To them I say...........Whatever.
Oh! And this too :growup: :praise:
Edit: cuz I kant spel
I once read somewhere that the FBI traced the posters. If I remember right they were like 75% from state and federal prisons. Go figure. :lol:
To the guys that start that in the back of the car I usually tell them that we will be at the jail then and I will take the cuffs off then. When we get to that - nothing. They never do anything about it at the jail when the cuffs really do come off, they usually just tuck their tails between their legs.
QuoteQuoteWelcome, hounddog.
Thank you. I'm new to the whole internet thing, gettin a little old!!! :( Never really played on it before. I like it here so far, even the people who seem to disagree seem to somehow get along!
A lot of us here were posters on Car & Driver for years when we started this site. CarSPIN is almost one year old and goin strong. Since most of us are regulars and trolls aren't tolerated there is a decent amount of mutual respect here, even for us cops. ;)
QuoteQuoteTCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
I think JY gets going because it bugs the hell out of The Nameless One. It's become more of a sport than anything else.
The board looks nice. Good work, guys.
QuoteQuoteQuoteTCSD and JY always fight because TCSD is always so black & white and that just gets JY going.
I think JY gets going because it bugs the hell out of The Nameless One. It's become more of a sport than anything else.
The board looks nice. Good work, guys.
Hey Nameless! Welcome.
what an important thread! i'd NEVER tolerate ANY police brutality (i.e. rodney king), NOR ANY police bashing -- none whatsoever! i'm glad that carspin respects the rights of all :clap: !!! great job, dudes!
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What I think is funny is that we were having a thread to see who would get the next ticket and we were all excited when someone finally did (Car Zeus).
Quote from: IrishGuy on October 03, 2006, 05:46:59 PM
What I think is funny is that we were having a thread to see who would get the next ticket and we were all excited when someone finally did (Car Zeus).
Car Zeus is pretty excited about his ticket too. It's pretty hilarious, everybody congratulating him, and he's proud as a peacock about his latest run-in with the law.
This is a much better way to handle this type of thing than to get angry about it.
I know I had a drink for Zeus.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2006, 07:47:30 PM
I know I had a drink for Zeus.
Any excuse to get hammered, right Raza? :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: dazzleman on October 05, 2006, 08:54:27 PM
Any excuse to get hammered, right Raza? :lol: :thumbsup:
Who needs an excuse? At least this is a fun reason to get drunk. Whenever I get introspective, it's sad drinking.
Quote from: Raza on October 10, 2006, 10:46:52 PM
Who needs an excuse? At least this is a fun reason to get drunk. Whenever I get introspective, it's sad drinking.
If I commence drinking when sad, the drinking causes happiness.
On that note, then, I designate tonight as a Drinking Night.
Also, the $35 drinking card at the Stag is on again this Friday night. ;)
Omibob... I wish I knew how to quit you.
Whatever happened to Omicron?
Well, are there any LEO's left on this forum? Seems they've been ran out of Dodge.
Pretty sure they are all gone.
Not sure I ever witnessed any of us civilians being particularly rude to any of them...
I have to say that I though bing_oh was being particularly stubborn in the "fewer tickets" thread. That's just my opinion though. Kinda rash to leave the whole forum just because another member is being equally as stubborn (though I tended to side with Cougs.. )
Quote from: Northlands on May 11, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Well, are there any LEO's left on this forum? Seems they've been ran out of Dodge.
Only the ones in the NSA which are on every forum on the Internet.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 12, 2015, 05:28:30 PM
Pretty sure they are all gone.
Not sure I ever witnessed any of us civilians being particularly rude to any of them...
I have to say that I though bing_oh was being particularly stubborn in the "fewer tickets" thread. That's just my opinion though. Kinda rash to leave the whole forum just because another member is being equally as stubborn (though I tended to side with Cougs.. )
They didn't leave because of anything in the "Driving and the Law" forum.