Damn that is a good looking car. Congrats
The car is just plain awesome. The ride/handling balance is amazing. It can hang with my RX8 in the twisties yet it rides better then my Jeep Grand Cherokee. The steering is supercar quick and precise with perfect weight and pretty good feedback. The brakes are just fantastic.
I love the interior... its just my style really. It doesnt try to overwhelm you with tech, but instead seemlessly integrates tech into the car. The driver focus is first and foremost. My car has the leather upgrade package so everything is leather wrapped. The infotainment is simple yet effective... and again driver focused. Apple carplay/android auto is also there.
About the only thing i would change is the engine. I'd prefer a I6 or V6 mainly for the sound quality. The engine though pulls like crazy though (310 lbft of torque already at 2000 rpms) but the lowish 6k redline and 4 cylinder sounds taint the experience a bit. I've been getting 30-32mpg back and forth to work so I can't complain about that. The ZF trans is amazing, especially in Dynamic mode where it snaps shifts off like a dct.
The awd system defaults to 100% rwd so its perfect. Combined with the lsd in the rear and I so far haven't even noticed I'm driving an awd car. It rotates wonderfully under power.
I should also add it hasn't broken down yet!!! :cheers:
Looks fantastic.
Dunno what kind of climate you live in, but get yourself some Iron X for that nice white paint.
The paint looks great in person. It's alfa's Trofeo White Tri-Coat.... So it's a heavy metallic white with 3 layers of different pearl on top. In some lighting it looks satin and really pops at night under the lights
Great looking car. White seems to be the popular choice lately. The black chrome wheels are perfect.
Good luck with it.
Yea, I'm completely not a white car fan... But this shade with the dark wheels, black roof, and slightly tinted lights just won me over.
It was this car or a misano blue which was really bright but I thought the cars design draws enough attention. I also liked a metallic black but that car had a bright red interior that was too much for me.
Definitely the best looking midsizer. Nice
You live what you preach. :golfclap:
Ooooohhhhh fuck, you actualllyyyyyyy diddddddddddd itttttt
Congratulations, I hope it gives you many trouble free and smile-laden miles.
Congrats, very beautiful car.
Congrats that looks awesome. Tune? Turbo upgrade?
LS swap?
Quote from: 68_427 on October 12, 2018, 07:30:38 PM
Congrats that looks awesome. Tune? Turbo upgrade?
LS swap?
So if it holds together there is a 350hp tune in the future... as well as a quadrofolgia rear lip
Nice!
Congrats!!
I love this Alfa. I've never seen white one around here, everyone seems to pick red here.
But, I've never seen an Alfa I didn't like.....and never owned one. The early seventies GTV was my dream car.
I will mention my 1970 Alfa Spider Veloce once again. I had a couple of British Sports cars prior to that, Bug Eye Sprite and MG Midget. The Alfa was far and away superior in every way, engine, styling, handling, sound. I loved it. Alfa kind of went to hell after the '70s. I hope in this era that are coming back to what they used to be. The new Giulia may be an indication of that.
The Giulia is just a great car. I drove the competition and it was the only one that actually stood out and felt like it had character and the only one that was remotely fun to drive... and well it's way more then remotely fun o drive - it's fantastic. The others were just different versions of techno bland.
I hope alfa does well and if not at least forces the likes of BMW to go back to their roots (which it seems they may).
Sweet! Congrats!
Quote from: JWC on October 13, 2018, 06:14:47 AM
I love this Alfa. I've never seen white one around here, everyone seems to pick red here.
But, I've never seen an Alfa I didn't like.....and never owned one. The early seventies GTV was my dream car.
I've seen a few new Giulias and I'm not sure I've seen a red one. There was a grey/silver Ti Sport at the last auto-x I ran at and I've seen a dark blue Quadrofoglio driving around.
:clap:
:rockon:
What can I say? Best purchase on the spin in a long while. Congrats, what a great choice! You got the best sports sedan on the market.
Are you leasing or did you buy?
oh boy
Quote from: r0tor on October 12, 2018, 05:28:52 PM
The car is just plain awesome. The ride/handling balance is amazing. It can hang with my RX8 in the twisties yet it rides better then my Jeep Grand Cherokee. The steering is supercar quick and precise with perfect weight and pretty good feedback. The brakes are just fantastic.
I love the interior... its just my style really. It doesnt try to overwhelm you with tech, but instead seemlessly integrates tech into the car. The driver focus is first and foremost. My car has the leather upgrade package so everything is leather wrapped. The infotainment is simple yet effective... and again driver focused. Apple carplay/android auto is also there.
About the only thing i would change is the engine. I'd prefer a I6 or V6 mainly for the sound quality. The engine though pulls like crazy though (310 lbft of torque already at 2000 rpms) but the lowish 6k redline and 4 cylinder sounds taint the experience a bit. I've been getting 30-32mpg back and forth to work so I can't complain about that. The ZF trans is amazing, especially in Dynamic mode where it snaps shifts off like a dct.
The awd system defaults to 100% rwd so its perfect. Combined with the lsd in the rear and I so far haven't even noticed I'm driving an awd car. It rotates wonderfully under power.
Sweet! It's a sharp looking car. Hopefully you'll test its limits in the coming weeks and months both with speed and ability around turns. :evildude:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 13, 2018, 11:17:18 AM
Are you leasing or did you buy?
Bought.... Good deal at the end of the year... around $9k off msrp
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 13, 2018, 11:08:38 AM
:clap:
:rockon:
What can I say? Best purchase on the spin in a long while. Congrats, what a great choice! You got the best sports sedan on the market.
:ohyeah:
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2018, 02:00:23 PM
Sweet! It's a sharp looking car. Hopefully you'll test its limits in the coming weeks and months both with speed and ability around turns. :evildude:
I've hit 0.82gs so far on the g meter :lol:
Nice
Beautiful car. Hope its good to you.
Is this replacing the RX8, or the Jeep?
Quote from: Galaxy on October 13, 2018, 05:47:44 PM
Is this replacing the RX8, or the Jeep?
We dumped the wife's Focus and then she took the Jeep.
It was sort of a shame for the Focus as it only had 40k miles and looked like new yet... But it went through 3 DCT clutches (only under warranty for another year) and I had a strong suspicion that a ball joint was going. So it was time to go event hough resale value was horrible.
The next gen JGC will be on the Giulia platform, so maybe in a couple years I can double down on alfa goodness :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2018, 06:55:53 PM
Definitely the best looking midsizer. Nice
YUP!!! If i was in the market I'd grab one in a heart beat! Congrats R0tor!!!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on October 13, 2018, 07:48:04 PM
YUP!!! If i was in the market I'd grab one in a heart beat! Congrats R0tor!!!
Get in the market! Hurry! :lol:
Sweet! Also a great spot for pics! Wimmer would be proud. Awesome.
Awesome car! Your children can respect you again.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 14, 2018, 05:22:15 AM
Awesome car! Your children can respect you again.
:lol:
Quote from: Lebowski on October 14, 2018, 05:22:15 AM
Awesome car! Your children can respect you again.
Don't worry, the kiddo loves it and is already asking if he gets it eventually
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2018, 07:36:51 AM
Don't worry, the kiddo loves it and is already asking if he gets it eventually
It won't be running by that time. :lol:
Quote from: veeman on October 13, 2018, 08:30:44 PM
Sweet! Also a great spot for pics! Wimmer would be proud. Awesome.
I can only hope for Herr wimmer's approval!
It's actually a church parking lot a mile or so from my house. Just a perfect spot
Wow congrats!!! :cheers:
Looks sweet! White will make you stand out amongst the Alfa guys as by default most will probably go with red or black. Any interior pics?
And yes, sweet photos and car poses! Great spot for some shots! :rockon:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 14, 2018, 08:09:18 AM
Wow congrats!!! :cheers:
Looks sweet! White will make you stand out amongst the Alfa guys as by default most will probably go with red or black. Any interior pics?
And yes, sweet photos and car poses! Great spot for some shots! :rockon:
Quick cell phone interior shot
I love how they mix in modern tech into a more classic package with real hvac controls, gauges, and no tacked on the dash screens... Plus the steering wheel is just plain awesome
Beautiful tow truck waiting room
I'd rather push my Alfa then drive a CR-V
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2018, 07:17:40 PM
I'd rather push my Alfa then drive a CR-V
We know ... and now you will.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 14, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
We know ... and now you will.
It's not like consumer reports ran a piece on exploding alfa engines like it did on the CRV -shrug-
Poor buyers
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
It's not like consumer reports ran a piece on exploding alfa engines like it did on the CRV -shrug-
Poor buyers
Well the Giulia is second to last of the cars its tested in this class
And predicted reliability is 1 out of 5
And pretty much every road test of the Giulia encountered some kind of problem
But we won't shit up your thread the way you've shat up others, at least not yet.
Jesus, guys, take it easy. It's a new car and an interesting one at that.
As to the car itself, I have questions that need to be answered:
1.) Is there an "individual" drive mode setting a la ze Germans where a driver can choose individual settings for steering, tranny, etc.?
2.) Does drive mode setting (individual/comfort/sport/race/whatever) keep its setting after restart (Q50 does not do this - it reverts to "normal" after restart and I found it to be a dealbreaker).
I'm pretty sure most- if not all- cars revert to normal after restarting for liability purposes. Its like two buttons- shouldn't be any sort of a dealbreaker.
Almost certain emissions are done in the default mode as well. Though my car will stay in normal or ECO mode after you turn it off.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 04:38:01 AM
I'm pretty sure most- if not all- cars revert to normal after restarting for liability purposes. Its like two buttons- shouldn't be any sort of a dealbreaker.
I think it depends on the setting. ESP/TCS thresholds seemingly always reset to default. Other settings (ride firmness, steering effort, exhaust mode) may not. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure my steering effort setting will not reset when you restart the car (I like the default calibration best anyway).
Quote from: MX793 on October 15, 2018, 06:09:35 AM
I think it depends on the setting. ESP/TCS thresholds seemingly always reset to default. Other settings (ride firmness, steering effort, exhaust mode) may not. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure my steering effort setting will not reset when you restart the car (I like the default calibration best anyway).
That makes sense.
Damn good looking car, congrats!
Quote from: r0tor on October 13, 2018, 04:00:53 PM
Bought.... Good deal at the end of the year... around $9k off msrp
Sounds like a heckuva deal to boot. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 04:38:01 AM
I'm pretty sure most- if not all- cars revert to normal after restarting for liability purposes. Its like two buttons- shouldn't be any sort of a dealbreaker.
It was touched on by MX793, but on my Golf the Stability/Traction control is the only thing that reverts back to normal mode. All of my individual settings (suspension, engine noise, steering effort, etc...) stay at whatever they are set to, and even there there are three factory settings (comfort, normal, sport) and a fourth setting that allows you to individually set something like a dozen different things about the way the car drives/sounds.
Not every car comes with this type of package (DCC-Dynamic Chassis Control) though. It was an option on my car and is an option on several (but not all) VW/Audi vehicles.
Alfa has the "DNA" selector switch which is a physical rotary knob which therefore doesn't change state when you start the car.
Dynamic increases the throttle response, transmission response, brakes (brake by wire), relaxes the dsc, and puts my car into the harder of the dynamic damper modes (which you can override).
Natural mode is just the normal mode. Relaxes throttle, trans, brakes, etc. Dampers go into the normal/softer setting. It also seems to build boost slower and more progressive.
Advanced efficiency mode really makes the car into a snooze fest. I only use it cruising on the highway. One thing it does is puts the transmission in neutral anytime you are coasting. It does make the adaptive cruise control work a bit more relaxed and less hyper.
The steering only has one mode... Awesome mode
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2018, 09:07:29 PM
Well the Giulia is second to last of the cars its tested in this class
And predicted reliability is 1 out of 5
And pretty much every road test of the Giulia encountered some kind of problem
But we won't shit up your thread the way you've shat up others, at least not yet.
There has only been 1 actual reliability study and it found in Europe that it was better then all the germans
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 15, 2018, 06:59:34 AM
It was touched on by MX793, but on my Golf the Stability/Traction control is the only thing that reverts back to normal mode. All of my individual settings (suspension, engine noise, steering effort, etc...) stay at whatever they are set to, and even there there are three factory settings (comfort, normal, sport) and a fourth setting that allows you to individually set something like a dozen different things about the way the car drives/sounds.
Not every car comes with this type of package (DCC-Dynamic Chassis Control) though. It was an option on my car and is an option on several (but not all) VW/Audi vehicles.
I have to admit, I've never gotten into the goofy stuff like "exhaust sound" control, and rarely done more than he general "sport" and "comfort" type settings.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 07:39:30 AM
I have to admit, I've never gotten into the goofy stuff like "exhaust sound" control, and rarely done more than he general "sport" and "comfort" type settings.
I don't use it much either. I will put it in comfort if I am on a long trip but otherwise I tend to just leave it in sport.
My M cars revert to default settings when turned on. The M5 has an M button on the steering wheel you can press for your personalized choices (suspension, DSC mode, transmission aggressiveness, steering weight, throttle response). The new M3 has two such buttons that you can program with combinations as needed. The new M3 also has a "driver profile" that is associated to that and any other settings (like seat memory positions for example). So I can have a "street" profile with two personalized combos as well as a "track profile" with two completely different combos.
I think they need to focus more on 1 or 2 drive modes rather then 17 individual custom settings with 5 levels each...
Just concentrate and put all the effort on 1 or 2 well sorted modes an call it a day.
Nice!
It's beautiful in white. Best car in it's class, imo.
Now there are two Turismo Internazionales on the forum, btw.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 07:39:30 AM
I have to admit, I've never gotten into the goofy stuff like "exhaust sound" control, and rarely done more than he general "sport" and "comfort" type settings.
I don't see the point of having different exhaust sounds. Alfas, in the past, have always made a beautiful sound, even the I4s; maybe even, especially, the I4s. See The Graduate for an example.
My chief problem with all the performance modes is there is little to no benefit to them.
There is no point to the steering settings on most cars. It creates no better feel or feedback. Just fake sportiness.
Why do you need a jumpy throttle for a sports setting? The last thing I actually want on a track is a jumpy overbooked throttle.
Stiffer shock settings almost never show any performance benefit. Most of the change is almost always to ride quality aspects of the shock curve and not actual performance aspects.
It's all a bunch of fake hoopla that detracts from the engineering of getting the base package right.
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2018, 10:19:36 AM
I don't see the point of having different exhaust sounds. Alfas, in the past, have always made a beautiful sound, even the I4s; maybe even, especially, the I4s. See The Graduate for an example.
Naww, the GTV6 and even the Milano sound way better than any Graduate.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 10:46:14 AM
Naww, the GTV6 and even the Milano sound way better than any Graduate.
C'mon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpd1vimkoX4
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2018, 10:25:23 AM
My chief problem with all the performance modes is there is little to no benefit to them.
There is no point to the steering settings on most cars. It creates no better feel or feedback. Just fake sportiness.
Why do you need a jumpy throttle for a sports setting? The last thing I actually want on a track is a jumpy overbooked throttle.
Stiffer shock settings almost never show any performance benefit. Most of the change is almost always to ride quality aspects of the shock curve and not actual performance aspects.
It's all a bunch of fake hoopla that detracts from the engineering of getting the base package right.
I really wonder who those buttons are for. The best drivers' cars of the past had 2 settings... on and off :lol:
With regulatory constraints further strangling what cars can be, "driving engagement" is increasingly becoming having more buttons to push. It is a bit of a shame. After countless suspension setups I've definitely had some that really hit the sweet spot of comfort and performance. It's not hard at all. Softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber. My first Accord was on Koni/Neuspeeds... it was dialed in at all times but rode like a Cadillac. It was amazing.
Even with all that though the Giulia is def the pick of the litter for driving engagement... ZF8 + 2.0T and all
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
C'mon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpd1vimkoX4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SS_Im-XJZl8
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2018, 11:25:07 AM
After countless suspension setups I've definitely had some that really hit the sweet spot of comfort and performance. It's not hard at all. Softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber
:wtf:
Come on man. This is ridiculous and you know it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SS_Im-XJZl8
Both sweet songs. I'd take either.
Mmmmm...not quite :huh:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijLdQMySWo
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2018, 11:25:07 AM
I really wonder who those buttons are for. The best drivers' cars of the past had 2 settings... on and off :lol:
With regulatory constraints further strangling what cars can be, "driving engagement" is increasingly becoming having more buttons to push. It is a bit of a shame. After countless suspension setups I've definitely had some that really hit the sweet spot of comfort and performance. It's not hard at all. Softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber. My first Accord was on Koni/Neuspeeds... it was dialed in at all times but rode like a Cadillac. It was amazing.
Even with all that though the Giulia is def the pick of the litter for driving engagement... ZF8 + 2.0T and all
Alfa would have been fine without the adaptive suspension - the stock calibration is a sweet mix of ride comfort and handling. My guess is the only reason the adaptive setup exists is because "everyone else does it"
If I was special ordering the car and not leftover shopping I would have been hesitant on ordering it.
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2018, 12:20:59 PM
Mmmmm...not quite :huh:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijLdQMySWo
Oh gods.
Put the stock exhaust back on.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2018, 12:42:10 PM
Oh gods.
Put the stock exhaust back on.
Brrrrrrerrrrerrrrmrrrrr
Yea, not a huge fan of that exhaust
Quote from: MrH on October 15, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
:wtf:
Come on man. This is ridiculous and you know it.
You are right, I didn't drive on that suspension for 2 years in NYC. My bad
You boiling down something as complicated as car handling dynamics to qualitative descriptions and saying it should be easy for automakers to do is peak Sporty :lol:
Live look into vehicle dynamic departments everywhere: "Shit guys, this Sporty guy has it figured out. He's had the blueprint this entire time! If only we had seen his comments before. Trash the calculators, tens of thousands of hours of development and testing. We just need softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber, and we'll win Best Driver's Car no problem!"
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2018, 12:49:53 PM
Yea, not a huge fan of that exhaust
Sounds like a tractor.
Same problem as the Fiat 500 Abarth.
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Don't worry about reliability so much. Here are some current German Giulia and Stelio owners reporting that their cars have been fine. The first poster already has 44,000 km (posted in May 2018) with his Giulia Q4 and no issues.
Alfa's have improved dramatically. And even if they have some hiccups, they will still put a smile on your face just by driving so good. My BMW had some hiccups, but man it was (still is) so fun to drive. Always makes me smile, even if I am just cruising along in the city etc.
https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/thema-zuverlaessigkeit-erfahrungen-t6336003.html
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2018, 11:25:07 AM
It's not hard at all. Softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber. My first Accord was on Koni/Neuspeeds... it was dialed in at all times but rode like a Cadillac. It was amazing.
Start your own car company already. You seem to know all that needs to be known.
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2018, 10:25:23 AM
My chief problem with all the performance modes is there is little to no benefit to them.
There is no point to the steering settings on most cars. It creates no better feel or feedback. Just fake sportiness.
Why do you need a jumpy throttle for a sports setting? The last thing I actually want on a track is a jumpy overbooked throttle.
Stiffer shock settings almost never show any performance benefit. Most of the change is almost always to ride quality aspects of the shock curve and not actual performance aspects.
It's all a bunch of fake hoopla that detracts from the engineering of getting the base package right.
Modes expand the range of a cars ability somewhat for very little cost because all the electronic components are there.. Some don't make sense (like the steering modes you mention) but others definitely do. When in stop & go traffic I appreciate a slower throttle response. Suspension modes help if you track since most tracks feel better in the harder modes. Gearbox aggressiveness is also useful.
Even very "purist" cars have modes and it isn't even that recent. The GT4 has adjustable suspension firmness, exhaust loudness and throttle response as well as 3 levels of stability control. The 1M and the E46 both have adjustable throttle response.
With the configurable combinations on single buttons it is very manageable, at least if you own the car. For a one day (or one week) journalist test it is a bit much. But there is a reason these features are in demand and basically must-have on new lux/sport cars these days.
Well it looks like this inside
https://goo.gl/images/o8jvdd
Very nice, emotional, cabin! :mrcool:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 14, 2018, 07:38:14 AM
It won't be running by that time. :lol:
I didn't know his kid was 15.
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Well it looks like this inside
https://goo.gl/images/o8jvdd
I loved the interior when I sat in one.
It has a hint of older Alfa's steering wheel and gauge surrounds.
I do like that the screens are integrated and not free standing.
Quote from: Galaxy on October 15, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
I do like that the screens are integrated and not free standing.
Yea, I hate all of the tacked on screen designs of late. This just integrates everything to remind you it's about the driving enjoyment and not the tech... which is completely what I want
Quote from: MrH on October 15, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
You boiling down something as complicated as car handling dynamics to qualitative descriptions and saying it should be easy for automakers to do is peak Sporty :lol:
Live look into vehicle dynamic departments everywhere: "Shit guys, this Sporty guy has it figured out. He's had the blueprint this entire time! If only we had seen his comments before. Trash the calculators, tens of thousands of hours of development and testing. We just need softish springs, aggressive low speed damping, compliant high speed damping, some negative camber, and we'll win Best Driver's Car no problem!"
IKR? Who in the world utilizes digressive shock valving? What a stupid concept.
http://www.bilsteincanada.com/blog/2017/11/motorsports-the-science-behind-the-valve-stack/
QuoteDigressive Valving
Digressive valving is characterized by a low flow rate at low shaft speeds. This results in more oil flow resistance. The resistance rate increases as shaft speeds increase, but only to a pre-determined level. At that point, the resistance tapers off and as the shaft speed continues to increase, the resistance remains constant. This eliminates unnecessary resistance and provides more control as the vehicle encounters irregularities in the road's surface.
https://www.ohlins.com/ohlins-unique-dual-flow-valve/
QuoteBecause DFV opens more quickly and easily on minor road imperfections, ride comfort is surprisingly supple and more akin to an OEM strut than a coilover set-up. Over undulating surfaces, the compliancy of the R&T units allows the car to crest bumps and pot-holes, whilst still keep stable and in control. Traction is always maintained at its optimum level. When comparing suspension, why settle for second best?
For bonus points you can quote where I claimed to know something OEMs don't. Most likely stock car suspensions don't have this kind of tech because it's more expensive. So in that way it's not "easy" but it's hardly outlandish.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 15, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Start your own car company already. You seem to know all that needs to be known.
My apologies, I know mods on the 'SPIN = playing God.
Are you capable of disagreeing with somebody without insulting them and undermining their credibility, or are you seriously that insecure?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
https://www.ohlins.com/ohlins-unique-dual-flow-valve/
Is that the new lift-related dampers system that is standard on the new 3 Series? Said to be so good that BMW is not bothering with air suspension, and active sway control.
Quote from: Galaxy on October 15, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
Is that the new lift-related dampers system that is standard on the new 3 Series? Said to be so good that BMW is not bothering with air suspension, and active sway control.
I don't know if it's the same tech; haven't seen anything that really explains it. But the end goal is the same... firm body control and supple impact absorption. Sounds like these shocks + the stiffer shell have enabled much stiffer springs on the M-Sport models which should be interesting.
I think BMW skipped air suspension and active sway control at least in part because they would add a lot of weight.
I'm trying to decide if I should get winter tires/rims. I'm confident in the awd, lsd, and decent tires to get through most storms... And I can take the jeep when things are extra shitty
I think I'm more worried about tire/wheel damage from potholes... Last year the road going to my work had potholes in the potholes and I'm not sure how the 19s will deal with that even if the suspension seems pretty supple.
Unfortunately the alfa has a different bolt pattern then the Mazda so I can't reuse the old winter wheels I still have in my basement from the rx8
On a car like that, I would get separate wheels/tires for winter. If anything to, as you mention, keep the stock wheels clean and undamaged. If you can afford to, I say go for it.
17s or 18s with some thicker sidewalls would be nice for winter.
Ground clearance will put you in the Jeep when shit gets real snow wise
But I'd def consider downgrading to 18s year round for the plump sidewalls to deal with the moonscape NE roads
The wife will kill me with another set of wheels laying around :lol:
adapters and use the RX8 wheels?
Quote from: 68_427 on October 16, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
adapters and use the RX8 wheels?
I think 20mm thick 5x110 to 5x114.3 might work... I'd be bummed not seeing my alfa 5 hole rims though
Also not sure how to deal with wheel bolts instead of studs with spacers... Never had bolts before but I guess they make a low profile bolt for that :hmm:
Ironically, the snow tires on the old rims are the correct size for Giulia... and they still have some tread :mask:
You should just be able to get ridiculously long bolts. Bolts make running spacers way easier.
I'd verify that the winter tires you have on hand have the right overall diameter. Though I'd wager if the RX-8 didn't work in the winter the Giulia won't be far behind
The 8 and Giulia have the same 225 50R17 fitment for winter wheels. The 8 I think had a +47 offset and Giulia +35 so a 20mm adapter is probably doable (in theory)
TPMS sensors would be an issue
A nice piece of electrical tape over the TP dummy light is an easy fix. Don't forget your courtesy tab.
Quote from: r0tor on October 16, 2018, 07:26:38 PM
The 8 and Giulia have the same 225 50R17 fitment for winter wheels. The 8 I think had a +47 offset and Giulia +35 so a 20mm adapter is probably doable (in theory)
TPMS sensors would be an issue
I ran 20mm adapters on the OEM wheels of the G. Worked great. Still have em but they are 5x114.3 on both ends
It will def work and the extra 8mm will fill the wheel wells. Car will get a lot dirtier and saltier though
Might want to check to see if you car even uses TPMS sensors anymore. My Accord does it by monitoring wheel speed in a straight line. No sensors at all. I think a lot of OEMs are going this way.
Same with me Mazda
Wonder how that works if you get an aftermarket setup that's bigger than normal. Does use the difference between left and right? Can these systems be recalibrated by the user? It's not out of reality for an aftermarket wheel/tire setup to be +1/2" different in diameter.
What if all tires lose pressure at the same rate? You'll be driving on flats and the car won't know.
On ze A4, it could be calibrated. Basically, you put the tires at the desired pressure and then zeroed out the monitor system.
Did it have sensors?
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 17, 2018, 10:08:46 AM
Did it have sensors?
No, not traditional TPMS sensors. It just monitored rotations and if one tire was below some threshold and thus rotating however significantly differently than the rest, it would throw you a dummy light. At least that's how I think it worked. Only time I ever got chimed by it was when I got a flat going down the highway.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2018, 10:01:49 AM
Wonder how that works if you get an aftermarket setup that's bigger than normal. Does use the difference between left and right? Can these systems be recalibrated by the user? It's not out of reality for an aftermarket wheel/tire setup to be +1/2" different in diameter.
There's a zeroing procedure on all them that I know about.
Plus, its speed relative to the other wheels; as long as the wheels are the same size it shouldn't matter what speed it is.
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 17, 2018, 10:08:46 AM
Did it have sensors?
wheelspeed sensors, but no air pressure sensors.
I have air pressure sensors. I can display them too.
First usage of hazard lights on the side of the road!! :pullover:
Eh, not that exciting though. I was forced to run over a branch which managed to come up under the car and lodge part of it between the driveshaft and chassis thus creating a horrific sound.
Did I mention that Giulia has a carbon fiber drive shaft! :rockon:
Branches on the road? Damn Italians! Fix It Again, Tony! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I think whether or not a car has TPMS wheel sensors has something to do with regulations.
BMWs here sense tire failure by comparing rotational speed of the wheels using existing ABS sensors. You can tell the system to "learn" whatever wheels/tires you put on the car. It will trigger upon sensing a large enough shift in comparative speeds among wheels in a short enough span of time. The car will only tell you a tire failed. It won't even tell you which tire is it.
The GT4 has individual pressure sensors on each wheel that show up the exact PSI on the dash screen. Handy on track to monitor pressures.
AFAIK, US market bimmers also use individual pressure sensors.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/alfa-romeo-roadtrip-to-blockbuster-video
I've had so many finicky issues with TPMS sensors, I welcome this new method.
I've only ever had an issue with 1 sensor on the jeep and none after 15 yesrs with the RX-8
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2018, 10:01:49 AM
Wonder how that works if you get an aftermarket setup that's bigger than normal. Does use the difference between left and right? Can these systems be recalibrated by the user? It's not out of reality for an aftermarket wheel/tire setup to be +1/2" different in diameter.
It looks for deltas, IIRC. Which is great unless all 4 tires are low (lot of people don't top up pressures when cold weather hits and run on 4 tires that are like 10 psi low).
Yea, how do these newer systems deal with just normal tire pressure decrease from temp? Or are they just assuming they are nitrogen filled?
The indirect systems have worked flawlessly on my current car and my previous car. They caught slow leaks quickly so that I was always able to catch them before they got too bad.
I understand they have limitations but for the benefit of being able to simply and easily swap wheels and tires I am more than happy to make the trade.
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 06:41:55 AM
Yea, how do these newer systems deal with just normal tire pressure decrease from temp? Or are they just assuming they are nitrogen filled?
What difference would nitrogen make?
And yea the temp drop is a biggie. Speaking of which we just got a cold snap....
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 06:41:55 AM
Yea, how do these newer systems deal with just normal tire pressure decrease from temp? Or are they just assuming they are nitrogen filled?
Nitrogen gains and loses pressure with temperature just the same as air.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2018, 06:59:44 AM
Nitrogen gains and loses pressure with temperature just the same as air.
However when it gets cold an warms up, nitrogen tires come back up to pressure. You can set them a few pounds high in the summer and never worry about them for years
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 07:02:58 AM
However when it gets cold an warms up, nitrogen tires come back up to pressure. You can set them a few pounds high in the summer and never worry about them for years
no, you can never ignore tires for years.
The pressure comes back up too. The only thing straight nitrogen does is it has a slightly lower loss rate. If you check your tires every six months or so (which should be done regardless IMO), it makes no difference whatsoever.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2007/10/tires-nitrogen-air-loss-study/index.htm
Yea PV=nRT and no seal is perfect
I haven't adjusted tire pressure on my JGC in 4 years. Nitrogen filled tires don't need the top off. Loss rates are dramatically less.
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 07:32:46 AM
I haven't adjusted tire pressure on my JGC in 4 years. Nitrogen filled tires don't need the top off. Loss rates are dramatically less.
2.2 PSI/year versus 3.5
Its not dramatic, its marginal. All you're doing is replacing 82% nitrogen with 95%
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 07:32:46 AM
I haven't adjusted tire pressure on my JGC in 4 years. Nitrogen filled tires don't need the top off. Loss rates are dramatically less.
WOW!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2018, 07:41:19 AM
2.2 PSI/year versus 3.5
Its not dramatic, its marginal. All you're doing is replacing 82% nitrogen with 95%
I've never had for 4 years tires go to 37psi in the summer and 33psi in the winter... and cycle like that for years.
Don't really give a damn about what the internet says.
Quote from: r0tor on October 18, 2018, 09:34:24 AM
I've never had for 4 years tires go to 37psi in the summer and 33psi in the winter... and cycle like that for years.
Don't really give a damn about what the internet says.
Well, when it comes down to whether or not to believe my own experience, laws of physics, and Consumer Reports methodical testing, versus your anectdotal observations (which are always detached and objective)- its not a hard choice.
Fuck that, I'm gonna go get nitrogen in my tires and throw my air pump in the garbage. #r0torway
It is especially important to keep tabs on your tire pressure with low-profile tires.
Utilizing my on-board g meter and a few joy rides with passengers, I think I've come to the conclusion that 0.5 - 0.6gs is the threshold of a brown stain moment for most people
That seems low. I'd have guessed .75 at least.
Do the seats clean up easily at least?
Nice leather.. So yea
Deep bolstering also can hold much stuffs in place
I think .5g in my car would send the passenger right out the door/window :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 15, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Sounds like a tractor.
Same problem as the Fiat 500 Abarth.
Hey! :rage:
I miss my little tractor!
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2018, 01:26:01 PM
Gratuitous Giulia pics from today
It has a nice rakish look.
Old company slogan...
"Nothing handles like an Alfa"
:ohyeah:
Where is that river/lake? Nice.
Huh pics aren't working in Chrome for me
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
:ohyeah:
Where is that river/lake? Nice.
Nearby lake... and nearby vineyard
Quote from: 68_427 on October 19, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
Huh pics aren't working in Chrome for me
Not sure... Posting out of Google photos which I didn't know was possible but seems a bit hit and miss
A $125 gallon jug of IronX will last you many years. Dilute half:half. If you're planning to drive this year round, you'll thank me. I promise.
Many truths here
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-q2-update-2-review/
Giulia g record is now 0.92 according to the on board g meter :lol:
... and I'm over 1k miles without breaking down... :cheers:
Really fighting the urge to get a tune for another 40-50hp :mask:
I suggest you do, that way when it breaks down you can blame it on the aftermarket tune, not the Alfaness of your Alfa.
I'm just not sure I can handle that much alpha in my alfa
What tires come on it?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 26, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
What tires come on it?
All seasons... and not even high performance ones (Pirelli Centurion P7 all season run flats).
Giulia might be able to flip the world upside down with a set of PS4's
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 26, 2018, 02:31:10 PM
I suggest you do, that way when it breaks down you can blame it on the aftermarket tune, not the Alfaness of your Alfa.
:lol:
Quote from: r0tor on October 26, 2018, 04:15:02 PM
All seasons... and not even high performance ones (Pirelli Centurion P7 all season run flats).
Giulia might be able to flip the world upside down with a set of PS4's
I think that's what my A4 came stock with. Not great, but not bad. Didn't last all that long, though, and I'm not an aggressive driver. Switched to Bridgestone Ecopias for the second set, and those were equally unremarkable. Both (well, and the AWD) tackled 300+ inch winters just fine.
2 months and ~2k miles report!!!!
- I still haven't broken down or been stranded!
- averaging around 30mpg including ~8 minutes a day of idling with the kiddo at the bus stop
- a brief snow test in 6-7" of unplowed snow proved very positive
- still love everything about it - the surge of power and ride/handling matches the great looks
- I'm sort of getting use to the engine/exhaust sounds and starting to appreciate it a bit more
On the mega negative side my wife pointed out today that it looks like someone hit the damn thing in the parking lot at work. :lockedup: :lockedup: :rage:
Huge scuff and scratches on the passenger side front corner. I was able to buff out all the marks and the white metallic really hides the scratches well. I'm still super pissed off though - might contact our security guys at work and see if they can find my car getting hit as it had to happen this week. Since i always back in to park, I assume someone next to me pulled out of the parking spot and cut things too short and clipped my car. :banghead:
That sucks man. I hate jerks!
Quote from: r0tor on December 01, 2018, 03:43:35 PM
2 months and ~2k miles report!!!!
- I still haven't broken down or been stranded!
- averaging around 30mpg including ~8 minutes a day of idling with the kiddo at the bus stop
- a brief snow test in 6-7" of unplowed snow proved very positive
- still love everything about it - the surge of power and ride/handling matches the great looks
- I'm sort of getting use to the engine/exhaust sounds and starting to appreciate it a bit more
On the mega negative side my wife pointed out today that it looks like someone hit the damn thing in the parking lot at work. :lockedup: :lockedup: :rage:
Huge scuff and scratches on the passenger side front corner. I was able to buff out all the marks and the white metallic really hides the scratches well. I'm still super pissed off though - might contact our security guys at work and see if they can find my car getting hit as it had to happen this week. Since i always back in to park, I assume someone next to me pulled out of the parking spot and cut things too short and clipped my car. :banghead:
Has it broken down between that post and right now?
Oh, that sucks.
Glad you enjoy your car, though. The Giulia is really starting to grow on me.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 01, 2018, 07:28:02 PM
Has it broken down between that post and right now?
Now wait... Let me check
I tried to break it today... Tried a messed up Obd2 app that made the instrument panel go ape shit with errors... I think it momentarily screwed up the CAN bus
... But it still works...
Why do you want some janky app when you can get a plug-in scanner with live data for like $36.
Janky app had possibility of accessing a bunch of different modules allowing things to be customized.
errors = customized
Got it.
FUCK
Quote from: r0tor on December 02, 2018, 04:53:22 PM
I tried to break it today... Tried a messed up Obd2 app that made the instrument panel go ape shit with errors... I think it momentarily screwed up the CAN bus
... But it still works...
Turn it off and on again and it should be fine. Unless you flashed the computer. Which would take some work..?...
I like the Torque app but you need a reader.
This was beyond what torque app can do... More like vagcom for VWs or coding shit on bmws
Does it have Start/Stop, and can you turn that stuff off? :tounge:
Yea, there is an easy on/off button by the headlight switch to turn the start/stop off. It generally doesn't annoy me too badly since I'm not in a lot of traffic.
Quote from: r0tor on December 05, 2018, 05:56:39 PM
Yea, there is an easy on/off button by the headlight switch to turn the start/stop off. It generally doesn't annoy me too badly since I'm not in a lot of traffic.
Does it stay off or does it automatically turn back on when you restart the car?
It turns itself back on every startup. I read alot of people hit the button as soon as they hit the ignition button...
Quote from: r0tor on December 06, 2018, 06:13:14 AM
It turns itself back on every startup. I read alot of people hit the button as soon as they hit the ignition button...
It becomes a reflex.
Who did the electronics for this car? The Italians? My God, don't try to hack the ECM/PCM. The damn thing probably lists for $2 grand.
Magnetti Marelli... and it's very mod friendly :lol:
Quote from: FoMoJo on December 06, 2018, 09:32:42 AM
It becomes a reflex.
At least the lane assist stays off if you want it off, as does the forward collision stuff... So you don't completely look like a pilot preparing for flight flipping switches like crazy
Came across this... Great nerd level detail on the suspension, brakes, and drive train design that make the Giulia so fantastic to drive
https://enzari.com/2018/11/alfa-romeo-reveal-driving-dynamics-secrets/
For instance - these active shock curves are a wet dream of low shock speed control (ie performance) mixed with high speed comfort (ie ride quality)
I am sure the active dampers damp, but what is the effective passive damping rate of the plastic sway bar endlinks?
Quote from: r0tor on December 05, 2018, 05:56:39 PM
Yea, there is an easy on/off button by the headlight switch to turn the start/stop off. It generally doesn't annoy me too badly since I'm not in a lot of traffic.
I always switch off my Start/Stop button. I wish I could have this feature removed but in Germany that's considered tax evasion for some reason...
I mean, my car will use a little more fuel if this system is turned off and over 60% of the fuel price is government tax. Why are they complaining!? :lol:
Your car probably falls into a certain tax bracket because of its efficiency, therefore bypassing fuel saving systems is tax evasion.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 09, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
Your car probably falls into a certain tax bracket because of its efficiency, therefore bypassing fuel saving systems is tax evasion.
That's precisely what's the case here. ;)
3 months and still no issues... This is starting to be boring!
Also, Sweet Jesus the tuning scene for this car is ramping up. An intake, exhaust, and tune can now get you 400hp!!!
They can also remove the speed limiter, put the traction management into an all off mode, and add varying amounts of exhaust pops & bangs depending on the position of the DNA knob.
Quote from: r0tor on January 04, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
3 months and still no issues... This is starting to be boring!
Also, Sweet Jesus the tuning scene for this car is ramping up. An intake, exhaust, and tune can now get you 400hp!!!
They can also remove the speed limiter, put the traction management into an all off mode, and add varying amounts of exhaust pops & bangs depending on the position of the DNA knob.
Please request the maximum possible quantity of pops & bangs. I'll bet Dakota still makes more.
Nothing beats an rx8 with low compression for pops and bangs
Quote from: r0tor on January 04, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Nothing beats an rx8 with low compression for pops and bangs
I can retard the shit out of the timing and turn the exhaust into a flame thrower.
Quote from: r0tor on January 04, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
3 months and still no issues... This is starting to be boring!
Knock on wood, quick!!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
I can retard the shit out of the timing and turn the exhaust into a flame thrower.
Flames come standard on good running rx8s... Melted exhausts come standard on poorly running ones
Quote from: r0tor on January 05, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
Flames come standard on good running rx8s... Melted exhausts come standard on poorly running ones
Yeah, but spinning triangles is like cheating.
Video of bangs and pops tune yet?
I can drop the exhaust on the El Camino and make all sorts of eargasm pops and bangs. #openheaderlyfe
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 08, 2019, 08:23:58 AM
I can drop the exhaust on the El Camino and make all sorts of eargasm pops and bangs. #openheaderlyfe
I bet your timing chain isn't nearly as stretched as Dakota's. It sounds like a diesel at idle.
Oh damn... Motor trend has a reliable Giulia too
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-long-term-update-4-review/
Being proud that your 9,600 mile old vehicle hasn't had issues is like being psyched that your 9 month old baby doesn't have cancer.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
Being proud that your 9,600 mile old vehicle hasn't had issues is like being psyched that your 9 month old baby doesn't have cancer.
:clap:
It makes the world mad that Giulia are reliable
Quote from: r0tor on February 06, 2019, 05:40:54 PM
It makes the world mad that Giulia are reliable
No. Any vehicle that makes it to 9,600 without issues is hardly special or inherently reliable. It's still a brand new car, my guy.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2019, 05:48:23 PM
No. Any vehicle that makes it to 9,600 without issues is hardly special or inherently reliable. It's still a brand new car, my guy.
The internet has told me I would be having to walk to work weekly -shrug-
I saw an Alpha Miata today. Soooo sexy.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
Being proud that your 9,600 mile old vehicle hasn't had issues is like being psyched that your 9 month old baby doesn't have cancer.
:lol:!!!!
And through all his shit talking he has put himself in the unfortunate position that if anything goes wrong we will have no choice but to tear him limb for limb
Quote from: r0tor on February 06, 2019, 05:40:54 PM
It makes the world mad that Giulia are reliable
Nobody cares... the only time this thread gets any burn is when you bump it to tell us nothing happened :hammerhead:
We are happy you are enjoying your new car. Why isn't that enough?
Do we have the BRAP exhaust tune, yet?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 07, 2019, 11:48:51 AM
Do we have the BRAP exhaust tune, yet?
I'm waiting until the summer for the rice crispies effect... Too cold to care right now
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 07, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
:lol:!!!!
And through all his shit talking he has put himself in the unfortunate position that if anything goes wrong we will have no choice but to tear him limb for limb
Nobody cares... the only time this thread gets any burn is when you bump it to tell us nothing happened :hammerhead:
We are happy you are enjoying your new car. Why isn't that enough?
... So upset...
Quote from: r0tor on February 07, 2019, 03:17:21 PM
I'm waiting until the summer for the rice crispies effect... Too cold to care right now
I heard a straight piped 911 turbo BRAPPING into an on ramp today at lunch. You can't deny that feel. :wub:
I am still really drawn to this
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/d/stafford-2012-fiat-500c-convertible/6813293454.html
Hey Rotor,
How about an Alfa for the wife? :mrcool:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 09, 2019, 06:54:34 AM
Hey Rotor,
How about an Alfa for the wife? :mrcool:
That is one pretty little hatch. My wife would love something like that; in that exact colour.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 09, 2019, 06:54:34 AM
Hey Rotor,
How about an Alfa for the wife? :mrcool:
Actually I would love getting a Stelvio for her... The dealer has a 2018 leftover for like $33k. I don't think it's big enough for family vacation trips though
I should add some more review stuff I guess...
- the thing is extremely good in the snow. Between the rear biased awd, the rear lsd, and the stability control it turns and accelerates fantastically in the snow and you can easily get it into small controlled drifts. If it had more ground clearance I would easily choose it over our Jeep for bad storms (that never really likes to turn in the snow under power)... Stelvio is probably a winter Rockstar
- still stuck on 0.9gs for peak lateral... Damn cold/ice/potholes are probably going to make that record hold for awhile
- cracked off a 4.46 0-60mph run this week (aided by nice 40deg air)
- still averaging about 29mpg. Should only get better this spring/summer/fall.
So so far it has been reliable, fuel efficient, comfortable, big enough for the family, extremely frikkin fun, and great all weather grocery getter... Pretty much why I always wanted a sports sedan :praise:
Sharp looking car, belated congratulations!
And don't let these guys hassle you... You can't be the only person in the world who was tired of their Ford being so unreliable they went out and bought an Italian car.
Quote from: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
Sharp looking car, belated congratulations!
And don't let these guys hassle you... You can't be the only person in the world who was tired of their Ford being so unreliable they went out and bought an Italian car.
Jeep, it was his Jeep.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 09, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Jeep, it was his Jeep.
Admittedly I am easily confused and haven't been in the loop, but I thought:
Quote from: r0tor on October 13, 2018, 07:20:16 PM
We dumped the wife's Focus and then she took the Jeep.
It was sort of a shame for the Focus as it only had 40k miles and looked like new yet... But it went through 3 DCT clutches (only under warranty for another year) and I had a strong suspicion that a ball joint was going. So it was time to go event hough resale value was horrible.
The next gen JGC will be on the Giulia platform, so maybe in a couple years I can double down on alfa goodness :lol:
:pullover: :pullover: :pullover:Special Announcement :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
I just got the Giulia to pull 0.96gs on an off ramp!!!
On power as well and it was the rear that ever so slightly started to break traction... The front end of these cars is just amazing
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
:pullover: :pullover: :pullover:Special Announcement :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
I just got the Giulia to pull 0.96gs on an off ramp!!!
On power as well and it was the rear that ever so slightly started to break traction... The front end of these cars is just amazing
Does it have twist beam?
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 09, 2019, 04:54:37 PM
Does it have twist beam?
Twist beam would give 3 extra g's!
I think the front grip is a direct result of their Ackerman geometry (inside front wheel turns more/less than the outside front wheel) combined with some secret sauce shock tuning.
Something everyone must experience at some time.
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
I think the front grip is a direct result of their Ackerman geometry (inside front wheel turns more/less than the outside front wheel) combined with some secret sauce shock tuning.
Something everyone must experience at some time.
I could look it up, but what is the rear suspension> I would suspect some form of multi-link as opposed to double wishbone.
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
I think the front grip is a direct result of their Ackerman geometry (inside front wheel turns more/less than the outside front wheel) combined with some secret sauce shock tuning.
Something everyone must experience at some time.
I think the inside wheel should always turn more, unless you don't really want to turn.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 09, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
I could look it up, but what is the rear suspension> I would suspect some form of multi-link as opposed to double wishbone.
It's multilink...
Some really good details and explanations.... https://enzari.com/2018/11/alfa-romeo-reveal-driving-dynamics-secrets/
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 09, 2019, 07:45:02 AM
That is one pretty little hatch. My wife would love something like that; in that exact colour.
These little Giulietta's are quite the head-turners, especially in red. Very stylish small cars.
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 07:55:18 AM
Actually I would love getting a Stelvio for her... The dealer has a 2018 leftover for like $33k. I don't think it's big enough for family vacation trips though
Damn! How much baggage do you guys take along? :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 05:20:23 PM
It's multilink...
Some really good details and explanations.... https://enzari.com/2018/11/alfa-romeo-reveal-driving-dynamics-secrets/
Very complex design, all around.
A "semi-virtual steering axis", and a four-and-a-half link reae suspension? Pfffft. My Dakota has a fully virtual steering axis, and a six link rear suspension! I mean, I can drop the rear axle out by removing six bolts.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 10, 2019, 07:51:13 AM
A "semi-virtual steering axis", and a four-and-a-half link reae suspension? Pfffft. My Dakota has a fully virtual steering axis, and a six link rear suspension! I mean, I can drop the rear axle out by removing six bolts.
So is it virtual because it doesn't actualy turn?
Quote from: r0tor on February 10, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
So is it virtual because it doesn't actualy turn?
Something like that :lol:
Oooo nice quadrofogololfoglio!
Quote from: r0tor on February 17, 2019, 08:18:32 AM
Oooo nice quadrofogololfoglio!
Was cruising next to one yesterday on the Autobahn. Lovely ride!
I need to pick up a rear spoiler like that for my car once it warms up
Quote from: r0tor on February 17, 2019, 08:30:26 AM
I need to pick up a rear spoiler like that for my car once it warms up
I thought that was standard?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 17, 2019, 08:41:47 AM
It probably fell off.
Goes to show how fast these Alfas are. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:31 AM
I thought that was standard?
On the quadrofogogogolollippoplgios
Can you get the entire quadriarchipelagogalapogos body kit?
The differences are very small... Some extra carbon bits here and there, some speed holes in the hood, and room for more pipes in the rear bumper... Oh and most importantly the good luck badge
Get the spoiler and the badges and visually turn your Giulia into the QV! :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 17, 2019, 05:19:41 PM
Get the spoiler and the badges and visually turn your Giulia into the QV! :ohyeah:
nah, thats too much of a ricer... errr is that a pastamaker?
Pasta'r
Hah.. I own an F1 carr
Also props for showing off the snake eating a human logo
And I own a LEGO® car.
Sweet rally car!
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 19, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
And I own a trophy truck.
You should definitely do that to your truck.
I wish.
I am now a tester for Burger Motorsport's JB4 piggyback (of BMW fame) for the Giulia!!!
Fun times... my Giulia is sitting around 310hp at the moment. Looking at the logs I should be able to crank up the boooooost a bit more after talking it over with Burger.
Booooosting to about 320hp :lol:
Need moar
What's your injector cycle look like?
Sweet Jesus I hope this doesn't end poorly. History here is not kind.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
What's your injector cycle look like?
I can't graph it, but looks like it can support around 400hp at 80%
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2019, 06:45:39 PM
I can't graph it, but looks like it can support around 400hp at 80%
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Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 11, 2019, 06:45:53 PM
With pops and barks.
Italian stallions are kicking but not barking... Cause horse
Looks like you might need a giant blow off valve that sounds like the mating call of a peacock.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 11, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
Looks like you might need a giant blow off valve that sounds like the mating call of a peacock.
That is strangely arousing
Quote from: GoCougs on March 11, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
...I hope this doesn't end poorly. ...
+1
Playing with boost on a car that still has a loan out is not my idea of "a good idea".
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 12, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
+1
Playing with boost on a car that still has a loan out is not my idea of "a good idea".
A 10% bump in power isn't exactly stressful on anything
Well, uh... it's probably about 10% more stressful on the engine...
As long as he doesn't let it lean out or the injectors go static, he's fairly safe- as far as these things go and ignoring half a dozen lesser failures that might happen.
Quote from: 93JC on March 12, 2019, 07:35:09 PM
Well, uh... it's probably about 10% more stressful on the engine...
Engines have an engineered factor of safety of at least 200% or more... Meaning they are designed to mechanically handle at least twice the rated power as stock. As long as you get there with proper fueling, spark, and boost control its not creating any more stress or wear.
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 06:35:42 AM
Engines have an engineered factor of safety of at least 200% or more... Meaning they are designed to mechanically handle at least twice the rated power as stock. As long as you get there with proper fueling, spark, and boost control its not creating any more stress or wear.
Boost yer motor to ~550 hp and let us know how it goes...
But no, that's not how It works. Every single vehicle sold is designed to an extreme cost structure, and no automaker is investing $$$ for such overhead in a motor.
r0tor is fully emotionally invested. He can and will be happy to buy a new engine.
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 06:35:42 AM
Engines have an engineered factor of safety of at least 200% or more... Meaning they are designed to mechanically handle at least twice the rated power as stock. As long as you get there with proper fueling, spark, and boost control its not creating any more stress or wear.
You have two bridges, identical, both rated for 10 tons. One bridge is only for bicycles. 1,000 bicycles cross it a year. The other bridge takes normal automotive traffic. 1,000 cars weighing ~2 tons cross it a year.
Which bridge is gonna experience more stress and wear?
Stress is not wear.
Yes, higher power creates more stress. The question is whether or not it increases strain (metal stretching) or vibration induced wear to an extent that it becomes problematic; and the answer is "definitely maybe."
You don't have to snap off a bottom bearing to increase wear on the engine; but if things start flexing even slightly above what is expected, you start doing bad things to bearing surfaces, and in some cases start causing metal fatigue.
I don't think he's doing anything unreasonable right now; but its his car, he can make that decision.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 13, 2019, 08:11:57 AM
Boost yer motor to ~550 hp and let us know how it goes...
But no, that's not how It works. Every single vehicle sold is designed to an extreme cost structure, and no automaker is investing $$$ for such overhead in a motor.
Its safely fuel limited to around 400hp and the transmission is also rated for about the same. There are tunes sold that bring it up to that amount and people are driving with those tunes without issue. To go above that requires more mods
To your other fallacy, the same identical engine is sold in a lower price model with 200hp (only limited by the tune).
It is rumored to be released as a limited edition with 350hp (with only a different tune).
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 13, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
You have two bridges, identical, both rated for 10 tons. One bridge is only for bicycles. 1,000 bicycles cross it a year. The other bridge takes normal automotive traffic. 1,000 cars weighing ~2 tons cross it a year.
Which bridge is gonna experience more stress and wear?
Unless your hitting a fatigue stress limit - the bridge doesn't give two shits
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 13, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
r0tor is fully emotionally invested. He can and will be happy to buy a new engine.
Your right... I should have put dubs on it and crappy coilovers instead
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 10:16:50 AM
Its safely fuel limited to around 400hp and the transmission is also rated for about the same. There are tunes sold that bring it up to that amount and people are driving with those tunes without issue. To go above that requires more mods
To your other fallacy, the same identical engine is sold in a lower price model with 200hp (only limited by the tune).
It is rumored to be released as a limited edition with 350hp (with only a different tune).
Rated by who?
And unless you have part numbers for that 350hp version your theory is bunk. Manufacturers beef up internals within engine families all the time.
So why is a 280hp engine sold as a 200hp one? The answer is the car and power train was designed around its highest spec and limited for the lower specs to save development costs. 90% of the chassis components on my car are shared by the Quadrofogogogolollippoplgios. This is a relatively low production car where development and tooling costs are huge.
Why are they selling beefy components if they don't need to? Developing less-beefy components is simple. (certainly more simple than trying to make it beefier)
Crash testing, emissions testing, certifications, tooling, development costs...
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
Unless your hitting a fatigue stress limit - the bridge doesn't give two shits
You're missing the point. But that's okay.
For fucks sake... OEMs will even offer upgrades under warranty
But no, clearly the OEMs take their power outputs to the absolute limits :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
https://www.shopbmwusa.com/PRODUCT/5618/BMW-M-PERFORMANCE-POWER-AND-SOUND-KIT
https://performanceparts.ford.com/performance-packs/
Or it just depends on the specific vehicle/manufacturer and discussing this in generalities is completely pointless.
Some engines are well-known for being overbuilt. Others are well-known for not being overbuilt. :huh:
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 10:16:50 AM
Its safely fuel limited to around 400hp and the transmission is also rated for about the same. There are tunes sold that bring it up to that amount and people are driving with those tunes without issue. To go above that requires more mods
To your other fallacy, the same identical engine is sold in a lower price model with 200hp (only limited by the tune).
It is rumored to be released as a limited edition with 350hp (with only a different tune).
But you claimed 100-200% margin - that's 560+ hp, which is wholly unrelated to this assemblage of words, phrases and symbols.
Its quite possible it won't suffer immediate catastrophic structural failure until 500 hp plus; that's a long ways from being happy and reliable and staying out of the danger zone of the stress/strain curve.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 13, 2019, 12:46:05 PM
But you claimed 100-200% margin - that's 560+ hp, which is wholly unrelated to this assemblage of words, phrases and symbols.
Your intentionally mixing up component design factor of safety with system design conditions. The core engine and components are designed for 200% of load and actually need to be to keep out of fatigue issues... but turbos and injectors and cam profiles ect need to be selected for the actual range of power.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 13, 2019, 12:46:05 PM
But you claimed 100-200% margin - that's 560+ hp, which is wholly unrelated to this assemblage of words, phrases and symbols.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Again until a higher HP version of this engine comes out with all the same part numbers for the internals.......... :huh:
And even if it's the same many of the peripherals will have to be the same too. For example the Infiniti V6-TT lets its turbo spin faster in the RS version thanks to a turbo speed sensor. The base V6-TT can prob do the same exact power but it's riskier
This all could have been avoided if you had just bought the 340i :zzz:
This sounds like the rhetoric that the "Trifecta" tune guys at the Chevy Sonic/Trax/Cruze forums say. It's all fun and games until a turbine loses a fin.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 13, 2019, 01:35:30 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Again until a higher HP version of this engine comes out with all the same part numbers for the internals.......... :huh:
And even if it's the same many of the peripherals will have to be the same too. For example the Infiniti V6-TT lets its turbo spin faster in the RS version thanks to a turbo speed sensor. The base V6-TT can prob do the same exact power but it's riskier
This all could have been avoided if you had just bought the 340i :zzz:
The engine at this power level has about a much of a chance of exploding as your chassis has of cracking in half from your shitty suspension
Heh.
There are reasons it didn't come with that power from the factory, but that's your decision.
I mean, he's not wrong that ~10% over normal isn't going to ruin anything. You'll be just fine. If you were reaching for levels of 25% or more, I'd err on the side of caution for a brand new/under warranty vehicle.
Play it safe and enjoy.
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2019, 05:55:17 PM
The engine at this power level has about a much of a chance of exploding as your chassis has of cracking in half from your shitty suspension
Someone's in their feelings :pullover:
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2019, 08:03:17 AM
I should add some more review stuff I guess...
- the thing is extremely good in the snow. Between the rear biased awd, the rear lsd, and the stability control it turns and accelerates fantastically in the snow and you can easily get it into small controlled drifts. If it had more ground clearance I would easily choose it over our Jeep for bad storms (that never really likes to turn in the snow under power)... Stelvio is probably a winter Rockstar
- still stuck on 0.9gs for peak lateral... Damn cold/ice/potholes are probably going to make that record hold for awhile
- cracked off a 4.46 0-60mph run this week (aided by nice 40deg air)
- still averaging about 29mpg. Should only get better this spring/summer/fall.
So so far it has been reliable, fuel efficient, comfortable, big enough for the family, extremely frikkin fun, and great all weather grocery getter... Pretty much why I always wanted a sports sedan :praise:
:ohyeah: Sweet. I hope it continues to treat you well and give you some good driving fun, man.
Weather warmed up, RX8 is out of hibernation... Have some general musings...
- The pirelli's all seasons are noticeably suckier in warmer temps. I noticed that on tire rack they scored very high for snow ratings and now they sort of feel like soft squishy winter tires in warmer temps. Wish for the PSS's on the RX8...
- a little bit of tire squirm and chassis movement really does showcase the Giulia is essentially RWD with a rear lsd. That unique feeling of rotation in the rear axel is definitely shared between the Giulia and RX8.
- The steering is noticeably heavier and slower in the RX8. I also noticed a lot more tramlining in the RX8. Feel wise the RX8 is still better, but the margin is very small.
- Everything feels just a touch more analog in the RX8... because it is
- I would take the Giulia active suspension over the Bilstein coilovers. The roads are terrible right now and several times I found myself bracing for impact in the RX8 on the ride home. But then on the flip side, the Giulia is also even more locked down than the RX8 (although the Bilstein are set pretty soft at the moment) in the twisties.
- Holy fuck the RX8 is loud.
- Engine wise it's a linear screamer that sounds sexy as hell vs a boosted tractor engine... Cruising I prefer the Giulia as it's effortless power and coming on boost is a fun feeling. For fun though you can't ignore the sounds of the RX8... so intoxicating.
- Transmission wise I haven't really made up my mind. The paddles work so well on the Giulia. You can relax when you want and take control when you want. I find the short ratios however annoying and require too much attention when having fun. I also like the feel of engine braking with the 6 speed RX8 much better....maybe this is an untalked about advantage of a DCT over a slushie automatic.
I want to start driving the RX8 more to keep mileage down on the Giulia... But damn I feel like a masochist doing it - braking my back, going deaf, and getting 50% worse fuel mileage.
Infotainment and blue tooth are anathema to an Alfa. One cannot blame it for disabling those systems. As a former Alfa driver, no sound is more pleasing than the burble of the exhaust note in the still morning air and any distraction from that as well as the extreme sensation of whisking along a quiet, twisting country road should be discontinued. Nothing handles like an Alfa; nor sounds as sweet.
There is an issue isolated to the USA where the XM radio updates fuck with the infotainment... There is a flash update available
If infotainment gremlins are the worst of Alfa's issues on their return - I'd say they have done a great job with the Giulia/Stelvio
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 24, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
Infotainment and blue tooth are anathema to an Alfa. One cannot blame it for disabling those systems. As a former Alfa driver, no sound is more pleasing than the burble of the exhaust note in the still morning air and any distraction from that as well as the extreme sensation of whisking along a quiet, twisting country road should be discontinued. Nothing handles like an Alfa; nor sounds as sweet.
Did it have a V6? I've only heard Alfa V6es in videos, and :wub:
Quote from: Laconian on April 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
Did it have a V6? I've only heard Alfa V6es in videos, and :wub:
It was their 1750 I4, but very advanced for the time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpd1vimkoX4
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 24, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
It was their 1750 I4, but very advanced for the time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpd1vimkoX4
Great engine!
Those are SO beautiful. Love it
Regardless of anything else, that is definitely a good looking car.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 07, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
Regardless of anything else, that is definitely a good looking car.
WORD!!!!!
I really need to get around to ordering that rear lip spoiler
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 07, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
Regardless of anything else, that is definitely a good looking car.
For sure. I'd lease the hell out of a quadrifoglio
I've personally never really liked that design... I know I'm in the minority on that, but meh
Alfa Romeo 159 Sedan "EDIZIONE RICE"... :facepalm:
The 159 has better proportions than the Brera.
Quote from: mzziaz on May 11, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
The 159 has better proportions than the Brera.
The 159 still looks good today! Also saw a 159 Wagon today. SEXY!
The Brera prototype looked quite glamorous when it first appeared but, somehow, hasn't really aged well.
IMO the Brera looks good, but the design language looks better on the 159. That 159 design still looks really good even today. Not a fan of the added "rice" but the underlying car looks great.
It's mainly the long nose that I find a bit off-putting. On the other hand, the Giulia doesn't have a bad line on it; absolutely gorgeous.
ooohhh... can i play?
Took the family out to eat at a local ski lodge and had some nice sports sedan back road cruising on the way home
How many times did you have to call AAA?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 11, 2019, 07:34:29 PM
How many times did you have to call AAA?
What's their number??? :lockedup:
Quote from: r0tor on May 11, 2019, 09:03:50 PM
What's their number??? :lockedup:
Isn't it tattooed on your forearm?
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 11, 2019, 01:03:55 PM
IMO the Brera looks good, but the design language looks better on the 159. That 159 design still looks really good even today. Not a fan of the added "rice" but the underlying car looks great.
The 159 was and still is one of the best-looking mainstreamers in Europe. Agreed, it still looks sweet.
Quote from: Galaxy on May 11, 2019, 01:11:35 PM
It is taken by itself, however I think the 156 was one of the most beautiful Alfas ever.
Yep. A client of mine had the 156 3.2 V6 24V GTA, looked exactly like the car below, same color and wheels and body kit. It was his daily driver. He eventually sold it because as much as he liked it the V6 engine guzzled fuel like crazy and he has like 20 other cars. :praise: :lol:
:praise:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 12, 2019, 05:41:29 AM
Yep. A client of mine had the 156 3.2 V6 24V GTA, looked exactly like the car below, same color and wheels and body kit. It was his daily driver. He eventually sold it because as much as he liked it the V6 engine guzzled fuel like crazy and he has like 20 other cars. :praise: :lol:
It has only one flaw - FWD
Alfa Romeo 159 Wagon :rockon:
Alfa still Alpha
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2019-bmw-3-series-vs-2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-comparison-test/
I really like the review and how it focuses on the car and not frivalous gimmicks .. and a $59k 4cyl 3er?!? WTF are the smoking in Bavaria
I just built a $57K Giulia... could probably hit $59K by adding AWD :huh:
That said, aside from badge, and either resale value or lease rates.... not really seeing what the BMW has over the Alfa, or the BMW's raison d'etre besides sales volume + profit
Mercedes has the S-Class; Mazda has the Miata; Porsche has the 911 etc... what is BMW's "north star"? It's def not the 3 series anymore. X3? Strange times
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 10, 2019, 08:27:07 AM
I just built a $57K Giulia... could probably hit $59K by adding AWD :huh:
That said, aside from badge, and either resale value or lease rates.... not really seeing what the BMW has over the Alfa, or the BMW's raison d'etre besides sales volume + profit
Mercedes has the S-Class; Mazda has the Miata; Porsche has the 911 etc... what is BMW's "north star"? It's def not the 3 series anymore. X3? Strange times
I think the 3 Series is still the benchmark in that Class. Deserved or not...
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 10, 2019, 08:27:07 AM
I just built a $57K Giulia... could probably hit $59K by adding AWD :huh:
That said, aside from badge, and either resale value or lease rates.... not really seeing what the BMW has over the Alfa, or the BMW's raison d'etre besides sales volume + profit
Mercedes has the S-Class; Mazda has the Miata; Porsche has the 911 etc... what is BMW's "north star"? It's def not the 3 series anymore. X3? Strange times
BMW is just lost and drifting. Even their fan base seems a bit confused. Here is a BMW websites take and they feel the need to use a 3D backup camera to justify the 3er... I'm not sure what that really says - is it bmw faithful will always be bmw faithful, or has their fan base really moved from driving to tech focus?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/05/30/comparison-test-2019-bmw-330i-xdrive-vs-2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-q4/
Quote from: r0tor on June 10, 2019, 06:45:10 AM
WTF are the smoking in Bavaria
All the money people keep throwing at them.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 10, 2019, 09:14:22 AM
I think the 3 Series is still the benchmark in that Class. Deserved or not...
To be fair, the X3 is pretty good for what it is.
X3 is def the benchmark of its class. But the 3er, IDK. If I wanted a nice interior I'd go C-Class. Best driver is easily the Giulia. 3er is lost.
And FWIW in the US at least the 3er isn't the money machine it used to be. A good year for the 3 was about 140K sold (2007 & 2014). Last year the 3/4 sold about 75K combined (!!!). Not sure when the G20 came online but sales don't seem much stronger. But to be fair Giulia sales are like 1/5 the 3er
Sales aren't surprising between the two... Everyone knows the 3er, it seems only the enthusiast crowd recognizes my car - fast just ask what it is and then what an Alfa Romeo is
I prefer that as long as they can keep the company in business
Quote from: r0tor on June 10, 2019, 11:38:22 AM
Sales aren't surprising between the two... Everyone knows the 3er, it seems only the enthusiast crowd recognizes my car - fast just ask what it is and then what an Alfa Romeo is
I prefer that as long as they can keep the company in business
My boy thought the Guilia was a Pontiac! LOL!!! He said "Pontiacs are back! They made the whole grill the emblem this time!!!"
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 10, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
My boy thought the Guilia was a Pontiac! LOL!!! He said "Pontiacs are back! They made the whole grill the emblem this time!!!"
Hahaha :wtf:
I'm not sure I really see that.. I do remember people getting bmws and Pontiacs mixed up
The emblem and the grille.
Detailed a Pontiac Vibe today. Throwback.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 10, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
My boy thought the Guilia was a Pontiac! LOL!!! He said "Pontiacs are back! They made the whole grill the emblem this time!!!"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Looks like Motor Trend finally experienced a minor Alfa issue after 17k miles https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-review-long-term-update-6/
Got to agree. The Giulia is best in its class.
Pretty cool that they sponsored Bimmerfest, btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNoyukC-7g&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0Em0N_b4gslDDzfdVrFtSIxT6L6VwAcRd5r0HsXjVy7t7xKbQ3twyFvtc
Damn that (actually really good) Italian reliability! Story pretty much matches my experience
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-review-verdict/
I'm planning to test the Alfa reliability to the fullest on saturday.
I'm taking the 159 to the race track :mask:
https://www.vaalerbanen.no/en/
Quote from: mzziaz on August 14, 2019, 11:31:36 AM
I'm planning to test the Alfa reliability to the fullest on saturday.
I'm taking the 159 to the race track :mask:
https://www.vaalerbanen.no/en/
Looks fun! Bring a tow truck and a tow truck for the tow truck (just in case)!
On Saturday we will know if I am the next Sporty.
There is probably gonna be rain :mask:
I really hope I can avoid a tow truck. I'm driving the car 310 kms to the event.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 23, 2019, 09:31:03 AM
Rotor and Wimmer's rides together (again). The MB A-Class is an Edition 1 model.
Okay, I'm kinda blown away by this image. That is gorgeous.
Mind looks better :lol:
It's a toss-up between the white and the red.
Blue looks better!
Nice looking mind
A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO RACE
r0tor's white looks dope. A clean white looks phenomenal.
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 23, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
r0tor's white looks dope. A clean white looks phenomenal.
I agree. White is one of my favorite sports car colors. Appliance cars don't look better in white, but Ferraris do. White F40 :wub:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 23, 2019, 04:30:50 PM
I agree. White is one of my favorite sports car colors. Appliance cars don't look better in white, but Ferraris do. White F40 :wub:
White Dakota :wub:
Quote from: r0tor on August 23, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Mind looks better :lol:
No problem, simply switch the A-Class color to red... :lol:
They are both nice cars (duh). I believe that Alfa was a
Veloce, sounds fast!
So close to 1 year update...
All is good, added some spacers to unsink my battleship. These give it a Quadrofoglio stance. I'm normally not a fan of spacers, but I love the wheels too much to change them :wub:
Pics not loading. :cry:
Use https://postimages.org/...
I found a Google help topic that gave instructions... Just don't work very reliably I guess
Much improved. Now, close the gap :)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 18, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
Much improved. Now, close the gap :)
So I just recently found this out... Apparently Alfa raised the 2018s by 3/4" due to complaints in Europe over scraping and at some point lowered them again in 2019 over complaints in the US they were too high
Still not sure how I feel about lowering my 2018. I still have mixed opinions on the RX8 after lowering and then having to be careful everywhere I took it. Too much stress for my older age.
NE roads are shit and I am on a coilover sabbatical so I can't blame you
Plus Giulias look lower and better in person than pictures
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 18, 2019, 12:24:14 PM
NE roads are shit and I am on a coilover sabbatical so I can't blame you
Plus Giulias look lower and better in person than pictures
Sabbatical, eh? I'm sure there are some options for your fancy Honda.
Very nice! :rockon: :ohyeah: :mrcool:
It looks great, r0tor. Really love the look of this car.
Well... It finally happened after almost 3 year - check engine light
Looks like the culprit is an overly complicated variable pitch oil pump
I just got a CEL on my 159 as well. I was afraid it was the dreaded chain stretch (it's the GM high feature V6), but turned out to be a faulty oil pressure sensoer.