"Fact: Nissan Altimas outnumber insurance policies on Nissan Altimas by a factor of 3."

Quote from: r0tor on May 22, 2024, 10:51:33 AMTo my knowledge, thar recycling is at a table top level not at scale - and no real details from an environmental perspective on what appears to be a seriously nasty process.

Well there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 09:56:47 AMEVs only need mining once vs. constant extraction for gasoline throughout the car's life. Plus, battery recycling is very good. CATL has achieved a recovery rate of 99.6% for nickel, cobalt and manganese, and 91% for lithium. And battery chemistries like LFP and sodium batteries reduce the demand for nickel and cobalt.

To my knowledge, thar recycling is at a table top level not at scale - and no real details from an environmental perspective on what appears to be a seriously nasty process.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 21, 2024, 06:54:36 PMMain difference being, oil was initially (and still is) relatively cheap compared to the millions/billions that would need to be invested into "renewable" resources to produce the same energy if everything is supposed to run on electricity.  As I've said before, as somebody who has lived in mine country their whole life...people think it's so simple and clean. But it's not.

EVs only need mining once vs. constant extraction for gasoline throughout the car's life. Plus, battery recycling is very good. CATL has achieved a recovery rate of 99.6% for nickel, cobalt and manganese, and 91% for lithium. And battery chemistries like LFP and sodium batteries reduce the demand for nickel and cobalt.

The Collector Car Feed YouTube channel is all about roasting cars.

https://www.youtube.com/@CollectorCarFeed/videos

Quote from: GoCougs on May 21, 2024, 11:52:12 PM[snip]
Detroit is failing at EVs, so there's that. Bailouts for all yet again.

The protectionist tariffs SPINners are squabbling over in the EVs thread are arguably one incarnation of bailouts.

that was awesome

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 21, 2024, 05:41:04 PM100% EV adoption will never happen in our lifetime. Those who want 100% EV do not understand how mining (to make their EVs) works.

Yes; mining and ensuing Middle East v2.0 will be a prominent deciding factor.

People are so damned broke expecting them to pay 25-50% more for their (new) vehicles is a deal breaker.

Detroit is failing at EVs, so there's that. Bailouts for all yet again.

I love being judgmental... and I know you do too.

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