Z06 chatter, Mr H's recent purchase, Doug DeMuro's Ferrari disappointment (http://jalopnik.com/owning-a-ferrari-for-a-year-was-a-disappointment-1668355120), and my general experience with the Z have me wondering what people think.
Sporty cars of today deliver most of the driving thrills of sports cars from ~10-20 years ago. Sports cars of today generally can't be fully exploited without a race track and mad skills. Obviously people can do what they want. But do you think it's wrong/silly/strange to buy something like a Z06 and never track it or learn how to utilize its full potential?
I think people can do whatever they want, like you said.
For me, personally, yes, it would be a waste to own a track-capable (not dedicated, just capable) car and never take it to the track. The levels of fun & thrills there are an order of magnitude higher than what you can experience on the road (if you don't want to deal with a high probability of getting killed or killing innocent people).
I'd say it depends where the person lives. If I lived in the hills of western NC I'd be doing less track days than if I lived in the Midwest.
People nowadays mistake G's for fun. Sporty cars are becoming more numb and rely on rapid transit than the feel of the British roadsters and 80's pocket rockets which weren't fast but fun on windy roads.
A Focus ST needs a track to be enjoyed as much as an early 80s GTI on a windy road IMO
We don't have a track anywhere near where I live, but the mountain roads here are enormously fun. So, no, I don't think it's wrong. Having said that, I fail to see why anyone would own a Z06 if they weren't doing track days because a Z51 Stingray is likely just as quick and less punishing on public roads.
Considering virtually no "sports" car is a track/race car, no, of course it's not wrong, especially considering the cost (tires, brakes) and risk (not insured under regular auto policy) of driving a non race car like a race car...
If someone buys a new sports car then the costs of tires and brakes shouldn't have an effect
Risk can be mitigated by purchasing a separate track day insurance policy
Right, unless you are doing hundreds of track days a year theres no way brakes/tires will outpace depreciation on even something as measly as an FR-S.
And Im not surprised Cougs doesnt know about trackday insurance. Wasnt in his engineering textbook
For what Ive spent on tickets this year, I could have bought an unlimited track day membership. Which is another side of "only on the street" sports car ownership for some.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 10:28:03 AM
Right, unless you are doing hundreds of track days a year theres no way brakes/tires will outpace depreciation on even something as measly as an FR-S.
And Im not surprised Cougs doesnt know about trackday insurance. Wasnt in his engineering textbook
For what Ive spent on tickets this year, I could have bought an unlimited track day membership. Which is another side of "only on the street" sports car ownership for some.
IDK. I spend about 7-10K per year on track club membership + all the maintenance and wear items needed. And I do about 10 events per year. That can easily outpace depreciation on a lot of cars.
You also do some higher level Bmw club stuff too. In the US and Europe a membership isn't needed.
Shit in the UK I got a whole day of unlimited track time for $100. In the US I've seen it run about $400 for two days of session lapping.
I was just talking about brakes and tires.
Track by me charges $3000/yr which gives you 40 track days during the year and some other shit. $75 a track day, not bad!
Regular price is $230/day for cars and $140/day for bikes.
We are having our company Xmas dinner at the (event hall of the) local racetrack. I will have to pick up some literature on track days. I keep meaning to take my car there, but then I never get around to it.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 15, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
You also do some higher level Bmw club stuff too. In the US and Europe a membership isn't needed.
Shit in the UK I got a whole day of unlimited track time for $100. In the US I've seen it run about $400 for two days of session lapping.
The track club is about 2K. That's a very good deal because the club runs 12-14 events per day (each is unlimited track time).
The rest is maintenance. One set of tires per year + pads + rotors (every 2-3 pad changes) + additional oil/brake fluid changes and such.
I don't think it's wrong. I think it's fine to own a sports car and not track it. As long as you're enjoying it, who cares?
The jump to tracking your car is a big one though. It's both a big financial and time commitment. One that a lot of us can't afford to do a lot of. Just tires, brakes, and fluids adds up really, really fast.
I think maximizing on road enjoyment is a more realistic and achievable goal for most of us. And if that's the end game, I don't think a lot of these track monsters is the right solution. I wish I could get something like a Morgan 3 wheeler for cheap. Something like that seems like the right choice if we just want something fun to commute in occasionally and take on some fun back roads.
The problem is, that isn't what sells so our choices are pretty limited. I'm betting this new miata becomes the champion of cheap on road thrills. Close to Elise in weight, but not hateful to commute in.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
I think maximizing on road enjoyment is a more realistic and achievable goal for most of us. And if that's the end game, I don't think a lot of these track monsters is the right solution. I wish I could get something like a Morgan 3 wheeler for cheap. Something like that seems like the right choice if we just want something fun to commute in occasionally and take on some fun back roads.
Motorcycles are this... though I must admit, the older I get, the less appealing riding on the road gets.
A $10-20K working man's Ariel Atom is the answer.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
I don't think it's wrong. I think it's fine to own a sports car and not track it. As long as you're enjoying it, who cares?
The jump to tracking your car is a big one though. It's both a big financial and time commitment. One that a lot of us can't afford to do a lot of. Just tires, brakes, and fluids adds up really, really fast.
I think maximizing on road enjoyment is a more realistic and achievable goal for most of us. And if that's the end game, I don't think a lot of these track monsters is the right solution. I wish I could get something like a Morgan 3 wheeler for cheap. Something like that seems like the right choice if we just want something fun to commute in occasionally and take on some fun back roads.
The problem is, that isn't what sells so our choices are pretty limited. I'm betting this new miata becomes the champion of cheap on road thrills. Close to Elise in weight, but not hateful to commute in.
Yup x 2. It's big $$$ and risky and "sports" cars are designed to be street cars not track/race cars.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
I don't think it's wrong. I think it's fine to own a sports car and not track it. As long as you're enjoying it, who cares?
The jump to tracking your car is a big one though. It's both a big financial and time commitment. One that a lot of us can't afford to do a lot of. Just tires, brakes, and fluids adds up really, really fast.
I think maximizing on road enjoyment is a more realistic and achievable goal for most of us. And if that's the end game, I don't think a lot of these track monsters is the right solution. I wish I could get something like a Morgan 3 wheeler for cheap. Something like that seems like the right choice if we just want something fun to commute in occasionally and take on some fun back roads.
The problem is, that isn't what sells so our choices are pretty limited. I'm betting this new miata becomes the champion of cheap on road thrills. Close to Elise in weight, but not hateful to commute in.
:hesaid:
The extra money is just a part of it. It's a time commitment and particularly if you have young kids, it's hard to schedule this kind of stuff. Ferrari is all about racing and racing heritage. Yet most Ferrari owners, or at least a large number of them, don't track their cars. It's all about feeling good about yourself, owning an exquisite machine, and supporting art.
So one day if I buy a Cayman and don't ever track it, it's an experience I wish I could pursue but not a reason not to enjoy my ride at 25% of what it's capable of.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
Motorcycles are this... though I must admit, the older I get, the less appealing riding on the road gets.
A $10-20K working man's Ariel Atom is the answer.
I would catch a lot of flak from family and friends if I got a bike though. If my commute was all local, I'd be more willing. But I'm going down an 8 lane highway for 25 miles. That's dangerous enough in a car at rush hour. A bike would really risky.
Yeah, poor man's ariel atom. That's what we need. The cheapest morgan 3 wheeler I could find is $44k. I thought the Slingshot was going to fill this need, but it's hideous, the steering rack is really slow, it's not all that light, and it's huge.
I think the ND miata is our great hope to save us :lol:
I've never tracked my cars and see nothing wrong with that. I've got other hobbies, and as others have alluded to just don't want to make the time or money commitment to take on another one and do it right at this time.
I would like to do a 2-3 day driving school at some point, and if I liked that could see myself doing that once a year or so. One of the keys here for me is it's their car, their tires, brakes etc.
Absolutely not. I live between 2 tracks (Mosport, Shannonville) and I wouldn't track something that cost me $80,000 and took a lifetime to obtain. That being said, I would track a used sportscar or a FFR Cobra.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2014, 11:59:04 AM
I would catch a lot of flak from family and friends if I got a bike though. If my commute was all local, I'd be more willing. But I'm going down an 8 lane highway for 25 miles. That's dangerous enough in a car at rush hour. A bike would really risky.
Yeah, poor man's ariel atom. That's what we need. The cheapest morgan 3 wheeler I could find is $44k. I thought the Slingshot was going to fill this need, but it's hideous, the steering rack is really slow, it's not all that light, and it's huge.
I think the ND miata is our great hope to save us :lol:
Riding on the slab is actually safer. Everyone's going the same way and if you stay out of people's blind spots they won't hit you. Plus you sit a lot higher than you would in a sports car so visibility is better.
It's boring AF though. I avoid riding on the highway at all costs, it's pointless to me. 2 lanes are more dangerous as people turning out or in front of you is where the danger is, but if you make yourself visible and ride like a sane person you should be OK. I got a lot of flack from family too, but they eventually got over it.
Truthfully bikes are probably the realistic way to do track days. My track does batch days for $120 a pop but you have to buy 5 at a time. I might have to go that route next year and possibly take the bike off the road
Quote from: Rockraven on December 15, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
Absolutely not. I live between 2 tracks (Mosport, Shannonville) and I wouldn't track something that cost me $80,000 and took a lifetime to obtain. That being said, I would track a used sportscar or a FFR Cobra.
I swear Im not trying to be an ass when I ask, if thats the case, why buy it? Its like finally bagging a Victoria Secret angel and not doing the do. Balls deep or nothing IMO
Yes, and I don't buy the "It's their car, they can do what they want" BS.
I mean I wouldn't force anyone to do a trackday. However if you own a sports car, especially the rich guys with their vipers and Z06's and Italian car, and don't do track days then you are just a douchebag.
In some ways I think a lot of those cars deserve better owners, owners that will use them properly. But it is a free country. Even if it's a waste of a perfectly good automobile.
I wouldn't buy a true track car, like a Caterham or radical and not track it.
But I'd definitely get a sports car or a track capable sports car and not regularly track it. Honestly I've never done anything more than autocross with the Z06, and I've only done that a few times. Frankly I don't have the time. In fact the commute to the hospital is one of the few times of "me" time that I get. Still it doesn't mean I haven't had tons of fun and made many memories with the car.
Honestly if I didn't give a shit about my Z06, I'd be more inclined to track it. But I'm very fond of that car and I've had so many memories made with doing stupid shit in my youth with the car that now has got a fair amount of sentimental value.
I think there so nothing wrong with owning a high performance sports car and not going completely ape shit with it. I think if anything that is the huge appeal of owning a car like that. Even when you putter around town, a car like that can put a smile on your face and make the experience feel special. Even when you are just stuck in traffic, it's feels like it's ready to start on the grid of the 24 hours of Lemans.
That's the major difference between a car like a Z06 or Viper or GT-R and something still wholly enjoyable like a GTI or Focus ST. I get giddy even when I'm sitting at a red light in my z06. I get happy just seeing that rear end emerge when I open the garage door. I keep looking back at the car when I park it at the parking lot. My heart leaps every time the engine fires up.
And it may be silly but I'd strongly consider adding a new C7 z06 in the future, or maybe a new NSX, or a new GT-R but something like a stock C7 or a Mustang wouldn't be on the list.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 15, 2014, 01:06:11 PM
Yes, and I don't buy the "It's their car, they can do what they want" BS.
I mean I wouldn't force anyone to do a trackday. However if you own a sports car, especially the rich guys with their vipers and Z06's and Italian car, and don't do track days then you are just a douchebag.
In some ways I think a lot of those cars deserve better owners, owners that will use them properly. But it is a free country. Even if it's a waste of a perfectly good automobile.
Problem is many or those better owners you claim the cars deserve can't afford them.
Nothing wrong with not taking a sports car to a track day. Some people buy cars like these as "collector items" (and keep them locked away in a garage instead of driving them, which is a shame). Some buy them for bragging rights. Some buy them because they like them and can afford them. All legit reasons to purchase a car.
Regularly tracking a car is expensive after you account for track fees, tires, brakes, fluids... Additionally, not everybody lives near a track (meaning a track day now includes hotel stays). Presumably, anybody with the dough to buy a brand new, $100,000+ car has the means to afford the occasional track session, but folks who pick up more modest sports (or performance) cars like Miatas, Mustangs, or Camaros may well not have the disposable income to afford taking them to a track with any frequency, if at all.
If you buy a high performance car and then drive on public streets like you are at a race track rather than going to an actual track, you're a moron.
Quote from: Lebowski on December 15, 2014, 03:24:25 PM
Problem is many or those better owners you claim the cars deserve can't afford them.
I don't think he's serious dude
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 15, 2014, 04:05:03 PM
I don't think he's serious dude
:huh: reads like a serious post to me.
Of all the sports cars (MR2,5.0 Fox,two Z28s,C6,G8 GT) I've owned none have been on a track. None of my bikes either. I would like to do a track day before I kick the bucket though...
Quote from: Lebowski on December 15, 2014, 04:43:12 PM
:huh: reads like a serious post to me.
Thats FBC's style
565 makes some compelling points. There is a pretty nice white C5 Z06 at my job. It is pretty special.
I guess to a degree it's not much different than buying a luxury car. But IMO with a luxury car at least you get to experience what it was built to do every time you hop in it.
Why would I blow several thousands of dollars a year on fees, tires, and brakes driving on a track with little to no passing - when I can race wheel to wheel with go-karts and only spend a fraction of that?
Another point about track driving is that if done properly, it will make you safer on the street.
"Done properly" meaning:
a) Getting performance driving lessons, as many as possible.
b) Practicing with the limits on track.
c) Remembering that the street IS NOT a track.
Going often to the track, and in your own car, means you get to know the limits better and will react instinctively correctly more likely in a road emergency situation.
I was actually serious, but I'm well aware that most "real" drivers can't afford a lot of those cars.
I have the same feelings about garage queens. Cars are meant to be driven, I don't care what it is. Even a one of a kind multi million dollar car should be driven and enjoyed. Not put in a garage surrounded by a bunch of overpriced memorabilia and "admired" by a bunch of rich old douches that wouldn't know true car enthusiasm if it slapped them upside the head.
One of the reasons I admire Jay Leno, in my opinion the best car guy in the world. He drives them.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
But do you think it's wrong/silly/strange to buy something like a Z06 and never track it or learn how to utilize its full potential?
No, not at all.
Quote from: r0tor on December 15, 2014, 06:02:21 PM
Why would I blow several thousands of dollars a year on fees, tires, and brakes driving on a track with little to no passing - when I can race wheel to wheel with go-karts and only spend a fraction of that?
Im pretty sure if you earn the right and demonstrate the skills you can participate in track days with passing. I see YT vids with passing TDs all the time
Plus in any case do you have to be able to pass people to have fun pushing a car to its limits :confused:
You do if they're holding you back!
The logical error is in the premise that sports cars are built for the track. They aren't, with few exceptions.
In general, I think it's a shame when people don't use their cars for the purpose the car was built-- 4x4s that never see dirt, touring cars used as commuters, sports cars that don't get driven aggressively, etc.
No. I own a sports car and I've never tracked it. Tracking takes time (which is the same thing as money) and money, involves great risk of serious damage to the car that insurance will not cover (money), stress on the car (money), the literal burning of tires that require frequent replacement (money), travel (money), gear (money), et al (more money).
I enjoy my sports car driving everyday. So I don't conform to bullshit arbitrary numbers painted on bits of metal screwed to a post, but I'm not really putting anyone in danger (at least not in years). So fuck it.
Life's too fucking short to have your only car enjoyment on Saturday mornings when the weather's nice.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on December 15, 2014, 06:04:22 PM
Another point about track driving is that if done properly, it will make you safer on the street.
"Done properly" meaning:
a) Getting performance driving lessons, as many as possible.
b) Practicing with the limits on track.
c) Remembering that the street IS NOT a track.
Going often to the track, and in your own car, means you get to know the limits better and will react instinctively correctly more likely in a road emergency situation.
The street is basically the same thing as a track, I agree.
Quote from: Rupert on December 15, 2014, 11:13:09 PM
You do if they're holding you back!
The logical error is in the premise that sports cars are built for the track. They aren't, with few exceptions.
In general, I think it's a shame when people don't use their cars for the purpose the car was built-- 4x4s that never see dirt, touring cars used as commuters, sports cars that don't get driven aggressively, etc.
That's true. Most sports cars and GT cars just aren't trackday specials. They're built for the street. Not necessarily for stop and go traffic, but also not for jumping on the Nurburgring and pretending you're Kimi Raikkonen in your clapped out 1991 MX-5. My friend's building his Miata out for track work and it's a serious commitment and a significant difference between how the car was when it was "street" to "track". Significant. He can't even drive it on the street anymore. But it's great on the track.
And for the record, any track driving I've done doesn't "get it out of my system" and make me more docile on the road. If anything, it makes me more aggressive.
Quote from: r0tor on December 15, 2014, 06:02:21 PM
Why would I blow several thousands of dollars a year on fees, tires, and brakes driving on a track with little to no passing - when I can race wheel to wheel with go-karts and only spend a fraction of that?
Exactly. I went to the OUSCI event in Vegas and realized track days and stuff like that are just too much work and $$$. Would rather show up and race something simple, not have to worry about maintenance, and then drive home immediately when I'm done.
Autocross is probably the most I'll do in one of my own cars. Definitely want to rent a supercar and track it, though. Maybe next time I go to Vegas.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
Im pretty sure if you earn the right and demonstrate the skills you can participate in track days with passing. I see YT vids with passing TDs all the time
Plus in any case do you have to be able to pass people to have fun pushing a car to its limits :confused:
In the real world, only the most advanced groups are completely open to passing. More often then that, its either forbidden or restricted to 1 or 2 straightaways.
Plus after 10 or so minutes when your car and tires are overheating, you ask yourself why the hell am I beating the shit out of my own car and its not even timed and there are no "winners".
Our club is completely open to passing. It's a riot.
We do have a "beginner" and an "advanced" category. In the first one, the slow car has preference, you have to wait for a safe place to pass. In the second one, the slow car has to yield ASAP.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
The street is basically the same thing as a track, I agree.
Lol he explicitly said to "remember that the street is NOT the track"
Quote from: r0tor on December 16, 2014, 12:02:39 PM
In the real world, only the most advanced groups are completely open to passing. More often then that, its either forbidden or restricted to 1 or 2 straightaways.
Plus after 10 or so minutes when your car and tires are overheating, you ask yourself why the hell am I beating the shit out of my own car and its not even timed and there are no "winners".
So you only have fun driving if you are competing with others? Why do u have the RX-8 then :confused:
I think that may just be you brah.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2014, 11:06:51 AM
No. I own a sports car and I've never tracked it. Tracking takes time (which is the same thing as money) and money, involves great risk of serious damage to the car that insurance will not cover (money), stress on the car (money), the literal burning of tires that require frequent replacement (money), travel (money), gear (money), et al (more money).
I enjoy my sports car driving everyday. So I don't conform to bullshit arbitrary numbers painted on bits of metal screwed to a post, but I'm not really putting anyone in danger (at least not in years). So fuck it.
Life's too fucking short to have your only car enjoyment on Saturday mornings when the weather's nice.
Nobody said anything about racing for lap times (in fact I said the opposite), and nobody said the only place to enjoy a sports car is a race track. Come on dude.
I just feel guilty having the Z and never even coming close to pushing its limits. And I feel more and more silly getting it in its element on public roads, even though most of my commute is on 2 lane winding roads.
Quote from: r0tor on December 16, 2014, 12:02:39 PM
Plus after 10 or so minutes when your car and tires are overheating, you ask yourself why the hell am I beating the shit out of my own car and its not even timed and there are no "winners".
Totally disagree. Driving at the limit is fun in itself. I get in a flow state that I really enjoy. There are no prizes but there's the huge thrill of chasing down a guy in a GT3 RS 4.0 in my lowly 1M. This actually happened last time.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on December 16, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
Totally disagree. Driving at the limit is fun in itself. I get in a flow state that I really enjoy. There are no prizes but there's the huge thrill of chasing down a guy in a GT3 RS 4.0 in my lowly 1M. This actually happened last time.
I would love to do that one day. Unfortunately we don't have a track anywhere near here.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 16, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
Lol he explicitly said to "remember that the street is NOT the track"
So you only have fun driving if you are competing with others? Why do u have the RX-8 then :confused:
I think that may just be you brah.
Nobody said anything about racing for lap times (in fact I said the opposite), and nobody said the only place to enjoy a sports car is a race track. Come on dude.
I just feel guilty having the Z and never even coming close to pushing its limits. And I feel more and more silly getting it in its element on public roads, even though most of my commute is on 2 lane winding roads.
I drivevan RX8 because its fun. I don't need to be pushing it to enjoy the sounds, its looks, the feel of the gearbox, the rush of hitting 9k rpms. Its fun no matter what.
... and divebombing someone on the go-kart track and setting them up for passes, competing in a championship, all while pushing the kart to its limit is way more fun then just lapping and trying to push your car.
Quote from: r0tor on December 16, 2014, 12:33:35 PM
I drivevan RX8 because its fun. I don't need to be pushing it to enjoy the sounds, its looks, the feel of the gearbox, the rush of hitting 9k rpms. Its fun no matter what.
... and divebombing someone on the go-kart track and setting them up for passes, competing in a championship, all while pushing the kart to its limit is way more fun then just lapping and trying to push your car.
Go karts are fun. No arguing that. And enjoying a sports car on the street is nice for sure as well.
But that doesn't mean that RX-8 wouldn't be a lot more fun @ the track.
Exactly... if you like the looks and sounds of the car at its limits without competing against anybody why do those things all of a sudden not matter at the track
Plus its not like 1-2 track sessions a year will chomp through a set of brakes/tires. I mentioned my track's plan but I'm not saying you have to do 40 track days a year to justify owning a sports car.
Come on guys leave the hyperbole and strawmen to me, thats my arena.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 16, 2014, 12:50:15 PM
Plus its not like 1-2 track sessions a year will chomp through a set of brakes/tires.
I don't want to use my DD tires on the track.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 16, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
Lol he explicitly said to "remember that the street is NOT the track"
So you only have fun driving if you are competing with others? Why do u have the RX-8 then :confused:
I think that may just be you brah.
Nobody said anything about racing for lap times (in fact I said the opposite), and nobody said the only place to enjoy a sports car is a race track. Come on dude.
I just feel guilty having the Z and never even coming close to pushing its limits. And I feel more and more silly getting it in its element on public roads, even though most of my commute is on 2 lane winding roads.
You feel guilty? :wtf:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 16, 2014, 02:13:55 PM
I do
The car deserves more.
Do you think the car has feelings? Who do you feel the need to justify your ownership to?
I could drive the brz under 2k RPM forever and would never feel bad at it. It's my car, I'll do whatever the hell I want with it.
Quote from: MrH on December 16, 2014, 02:15:40 PM
Who do you feel the need to justify your ownership to?
Myself
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 16, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
Lol he explicitly said to "remember that the street is NOT the track"
Yeah, I read that. Then I decided that's not what he should have said, so I went with it.
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Nobody said anything about racing for lap times (in fact I said the opposite), and nobody said the only place to enjoy a sports car is a race track. Come on dude.
I just feel guilty having the Z and never even coming close to pushing its limits. And I feel more and more silly getting it in its element on public roads, even though most of my commute is on 2 lane winding roads.
Where did I say anything about lap times? And you basically said that sports cars shouldn't be enjoyed on the open road because it's dangerous and you've stated that in the past as well. And your premise was that it's wrong to not track a sports car "regularly". Come on, man.
350Z limits aren't as high as you'd think. Cars like yours and mine aren't track beasts. They're sports and GT cars for the road. Sure, when you're talking about a NISMO GT-R or a GT3 RS or something like that, you begin to have a point, but not for a mass market sports/GT car like the ones we own.
Basically if it's not a "race tech" FOG car, it's fine on the road.
Quote from: MrH on December 16, 2014, 02:15:40 PM
Do you think the car has feelings?
Yeah, of course. If I didn't, I'd drive some upstart Korean sofa cushion wannabe-Mercedes family car.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
Yeah, of course. If I didn't, I'd drive some upstart Korean sofa cushion wannabe-Mercedes family car.
We have clubs an' all. What would the point be if our cars didn't have FEELINGS?
:cheers:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on December 16, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
We have clubs an' all. What would the point be if our cars didn't have FEELINGS?
:cheers:
I'm well aware of my cars' feelings. You must have a very delicate touch for your car to communicate with you.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
350Z limits aren't as high as you'd think. Cars like yours and mine aren't track beasts. They're sports and GT cars for the road. Sure, when you're talking about a NISMO GT-R or a GT3 RS or something like that, you begin to have a point, but not for a mass market sports/GT car like the ones we own.
:hesaid:
Quote from: MX793 on December 15, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
If you buy a high performance car Miata and then drive on public streets like you are at a race track rather than going to an actual track, you're a moron having fun.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
Yeah, of course. If I didn't, I'd drive some upstart Korean sofa cushion wannabe-Mercedes family car.
:golfclap:
Driving on a track is like going to the gym. Boring and pointless. Give me the open road and a lifestyle that just includes exercise everyday.
Quote from: Rupert on December 18, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Driving on a track is like going to the gym. Boring and pointless. Give me the open road and a lifestyle that just includes exercise everyday.
Would be great, but I don't like the whole tickets/suspension/jobless/jail thing.
I love going to the gym
I love being outdoors and all that shit too
But its fun to naturally modify your body and test your strength. To me at least.
Quote from: Rupert on December 18, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Driving on a track is like going to the gym. Boring and pointless. Give me the open road and a lifestyle that just includes exercise everyday.
It's fun for a little while. Although eventually I want to drive somewhere else and not just go in circles.
Quote from: hotrodalex on December 18, 2014, 10:06:43 AM
It's fun for a little while. Although eventually I want to drive somewhere else and not just go in circles.
That's another issue. Unless the track has multiple configurations and they run a different loop every track session, regular track days at the same track gets old. Another reason I like AutoX is because even at the same venue, you will typically have different course layouts every event. Granted, our local region runs at least half of our events on a shifter kart track that only has 2 very slightly different layouts, so after a season or two you've pretty much got it memorized.