Dyson electric car (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dyson-electric-car-2020)
Something to keep an eye on for the future...
(https://i.postimg.cc/pr7xddpP/dyson-0.jpg)
Imo, Dyson has made a fortune making existing products better. I would not discount his company from producing an EV that is a cut above the rest. Solid state batteries?
I dunno. If their products don't suck, they blow.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 28, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
It sucks.
You can say that again. We just got a Dyson V10 cordless vacuum and it's brilliant.
Car are way different than all other consumer products. Far more complicated, far more government regulations, etc. My faith in an outside company being able to do it better than the established players (specifically GM, Toyota, VW) is zero.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 29, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
Car are way different than all other consumer products. Far more complicated, far more government regulations, etc. My faith in an outside company being able to do it better than the established players (specifically GM, Toyota, VW) is zero.
They have a better shot than all the other newcomers since they already have a legitimate, profitable business to help them get past the barriers to entry.
Starting a car division is a great way to go bankrupt
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 29, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
Car are way different than all other consumer products. Far more complicated, far more government regulations, etc. My faith in an outside company being able to do it better than the established players (specifically GM, Toyota, VW) is zero.
Kind of my thoughts too.
I know a guy through the internet who's one of the leaders getting this off the ground though. He knows his stuff. The only thing Dyson is really bringing to the table here is solid state batteries. Could be interesting if they can do that cost effectively :huh:
At this point all new EV operations are vaporware until proven profitable.
Quote from: MrH on January 29, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Kind of my thoughts too.
I know a guy through the internet who's one of the leaders getting this off the ground though. He knows his stuff. The only thing Dyson is really bringing to the table here is solid state batteries. Could be interesting if they can do that cost effectively :huh:
Battery development is key. While Dyson may fail at his attempts at developing an EV that's profitable, a £1 billion in R&D will go a long way in battery development and push the quest for a better battery quite a ways further along.
Bear in mind, technology is currently at a point of major developments and you guys will be part of it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 29, 2019, 11:08:53 AM
At this point all new EV operations are vaporware until proven profitable.
Kinda like the car market 1880s-
1950s present. (Olds, Saturn, Pontiac, Mercury....)
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 29, 2019, 11:04:54 AM
They have a better shot than all the other newcomers since they already have a legitimate, profitable business to help them get past the barriers to entry.
Cost is the biggest barrier to entry, and the automotive market costs a hell of a lot more to break into than the appliance industry. Dyson has annual revenues in the billions. Tesla's revenue is an order of magnitude higher than Dyson's and Tesla is still bleeding money. The likes of Toyota, GM, VW, Daimler, etc. have annual revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, and even they consider the investment into EV research to be a shitload of money.
Quote from: 93JC on January 29, 2019, 01:04:00 PM
Cost is the biggest barrier to entry, and the automotive market costs a hell of a lot more to break into than the appliance industry. Dyson has annual revenues in the billions. Tesla's revenue is an order of magnitude higher than Dyson's and Tesla is still bleeding money. The likes of Toyota, GM, VW, Daimler, etc. have annual revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, and even they consider the investment into EV research to be a shitload of money.
Still better than starting with $0 revenue, like every other EV company. :huh:
And more importantly, they're
profitable to the tune of $1B/year. https://www.manufacturingglobal.com/leadership/dyson-reaches-record-profits-2017-hitting-ps801mn
Quote from: 93JC on January 29, 2019, 01:04:00 PM
Cost is the biggest barrier to entry, and the automotive market costs a hell of a lot more to break into than the appliance industry. Dyson has annual revenues in the billions. Tesla's revenue is an order of magnitude higher than Dyson's and Tesla is still bleeding money. The likes of Toyota, GM, VW, Daimler, etc. have annual revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, and even they consider the investment into EV research to be a shitload of money.
Smaller companies tend to be more innovative. Vacuums were crap until Dyson reinvented them. His company is based on innovation; making existing products better.
But Dyson vacuums suck (and not in the good way).
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 29, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
But Dyson vacuums suck (and not in the good way).
Do you have a Dyson?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 29, 2019, 02:31:23 PM
Do you have a Dyson?
No, but my mother burnt out two of them. They work well when they work, I'll give them that- but they don't last, and for the $500+ they charge for the damn things you should never have to buy one again.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 29, 2019, 02:33:04 PM
No, but my mother burnt out two of them. They work well when they work, I'll give them that- but they don't last, and for the $500+ they charge for the damn things you should never have to buy one again.
Don't have any experience with the longevity yet, but at least they work. This is our third vacuum in 3 years. The first was a hoover. It worked okay at first and then the bushings wore out after a few months and it screamed so loud, we couldn't be in the same room with it. The Dirt Devil was just crap. The Dyson V10 works great. I'll see if it lasts longer them me.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 29, 2019, 02:33:04 PM
No, but my mother burnt out two of them. They work well when they work, I'll give them that- but they don't last, and for the $500+ they charge for the damn things you should never have to buy one again.
I went down a black hole of vacuum research a few years ago and basically determined that you've gotta spend $800+ on a commercial model for something that has an above average chance of lasting a long time. I settled on the middle ground of a $220 Ninja that works well but isn't too crazy expensive to replace when it inevitably breaks. So far so good.
EDIT: Shark, not Ninja.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 29, 2019, 02:50:04 PM
I went down a black hole of vacuum research a few years ago and basically determined that you've gotta spend $800+ on a commercial model for something that has an above average chance of lasting a long time. I settled on the middle ground of a $220 Ninja that works well but isn't too crazy expensive to replace when it inevitably breaks. So far so good.
I also did that research, and ended up with a cheap AF Dirt Devil upright with disposable bags. And a modified intake.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 29, 2019, 02:50:04 PM
I went down a black hole of vacuum research a few years ago and basically determined that you've gotta spend $800+ on a commercial model for something that has an above average chance of lasting a long time. I settled on the middle ground of a $220 Ninja that works well but isn't too crazy expensive to replace when it inevitably breaks. So far so good.
Cordless?
So the Dyson cone thing isn't an original idea. Caterpillar diesels in heavy equipment engines had a similar pre-filter setup in the 1970's.
Our vacuum cleaner is a Hoover. Plastic. About 6 years old, floppy loose, buy still works.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 29, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
Cordless?
Nope. Also, it's a Shark, not a Ninja. I don't know if Ninja makes vacuums.
My condo is like 730 SQ FT. I can easily reach the entire place from two outlets - one if I put a little more effort into moving the cord around furniture.
Quote from: shp4man on January 29, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
So the Dyson cone thing isn't an original idea. Caterpillar diesels in heavy equipment engines had a similar pre-filter setup in the 1970's.
Our vacuum cleaner is a Hoover. Plastic. About 6 years old, floppy loose, buy still works.
Cyclonic separation. Used in lots of industry. Sawmills come to mind. Fluid mechanics.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 29, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
Nope. Also, it's a Shark, not a Ninja. I don't know if Ninja makes vacuums.
My condo is like 730 SQ FT. I can easily reach the entire place from two outlets - one if I put a little more effort into moving the cord around furniture.
I was pleasantly surprised at how convenient a cordless is. It claims that the charge will last an hour, but there are 3 speeds and, I expect, the high speed will only last about 20 minutes. However, It only takes me about 15 minutes to vacuum the place so I don't really know for sure. It's one of these stick things with the workings at the top. Very light and it has 6 different attachments that snap easily into place. I really only use a couple of them. The high setting has tremendous suction, compared to the other cord vacuums we had and what's convenient as well is that you can remove the stick and attach the various brushes, etc. right to the vacuum head. Easy for vacuuming the inside of the car; though I haven't done that yet. Too damned cold.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Cyclonic separation. Used in lots of industry. Sawmills come to mind. Fluid mechanics.
Clever to apply that technology to a vacuum. I still don't really know how his fans works though. They've got no fan.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 29, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
Clever to apply that technology to a vacuum. I still don't really know how his fans works though. They've got no fan.
They just use an impeller in the base to blow air into the ring.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 29, 2019, 04:50:49 PM
They just use an impeller in the base to blow air into the ring.
Ah, curves, angles and induction. Very clever. I like their hand dryers as well; as long as it does blow my skin off.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 29, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
Clever to apply that technology to a vacuum. I still don't really know how his fans works though. They've got no fan.
Oh there's a fan. It's just in the base where you can't see it. Total gimmick. But if you use cool words like "air multiplier," you can charge $300 for a fan.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 29, 2019, 02:21:04 PM
Still better than starting with $0 revenue, like every other EV company. :huh:
True.
QuoteAnd more importantly, they're profitable to the tune of $1B/year. https://www.manufacturingglobal.com/leadership/dyson-reaches-record-profits-2017-hitting-ps801mn
True, and last year it was up to $1.42B in profit on $5.67B in revenue. Margins in the automotive industry are much tighter, and even basket-case Tesla posted over $11B in revenue in 2017, and lost over $600M. Their 2018 revenues should hit about $20B but they'll almost assuredly still post a loss.
That said Dyson is still a private firm owned solely by James Dyson himself, so ultimately he can make whatever irrational decisions he wants as long as he's got the cash to burn.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
Oh there's a fan. It's just in the base where you can't see it. Total gimmick. But if you use cool words like "air multiplier," you can charge $300 for a fan.
+1
And hand dryers are gross
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
Oh there's a fan. It's just in the base where you can't see it. Total gimmick. But if you use cool words like "air multiplier," you can charge $300 for a fan.
:hesaid: It's asinine how much money Dyson sells many of its products. I love my vacuum cleaner, and the vacuum cleaner I bought for my parents 10+ years ago hasn't had any issues whatsoever. Would I buy a Dyson "air multiplier"? Heeeeeeeell naw, it's a $300 desk ornament. Ye olde fashioned prop fans work just as well, despite whatever the Dyson marketing machine says about "choppy air". (I don't give a shit if the air coming from my fan is "choppy"; why would anyone?)
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
Oh there's a fan. It's just in the base where you can't see it. Total gimmick. But if you use cool words like "air multiplier," you can charge $300 for a fan.
Yes, curves, angles and induction as well. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for a fan, but lot's of people do.
I love our dyson... gets almost daily use sucking up kitty litter with no issues in I guess 3 or so years now
Quote from: 93JC on January 29, 2019, 05:26:28 PM
:hesaid: It's asinine how much money Dyson sells many of its products. I love my vacuum cleaner, and the vacuum cleaner I bought for my parents 10+ years ago hasn't had any issues whatsoever. Would I buy a Dyson "air multiplier"? Heeeeeeeell naw, it's a $300 desk ornament. Ye olde fashioned prop fans work just as well, despite whatever the Dyson marketing machine says about "choppy air". (I don't give a shit if the air coming from my fan is "choppy"; why would anyone?)
What make is your vacuum?
I've got a Bissell that was on sale for $60 at Target almost 2 years ago. No complaints about it, and I'm much richer having not ponied up for a Dyson.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 29, 2019, 05:39:21 PM
I've got a Bissell that was on sale for $60 at Target almost 2 years ago. No complaints about it, and I'm much richer having not ponied up for a Dyson.
Don't vacuum drywall dust with it.
BREAKING: Dyson releases "air exponentiator", stock quintuples
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 29, 2019, 05:38:53 PM
What make is your vacuum?
I have a Dyson DC66. The one I bought for my parents is a DC07. Neither was cheap, but I think they're well worth it. The fans, the lights, the hair dryers, the hand dryers? Waaay too expensive.
I have no carpet. I win.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 29, 2019, 07:03:20 PM
I have no carpet. I win.
My Dyson is awesome on every surface. :huh: Came with a soft-bristle brush for doing hard floors.
Actually, my favourite thing about the vacuum is the "tangle-free turbine tool" that came with it:
(https://dyson-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/image//content/dam/dyson/services-and-support/tools/new-tangle-free-turbine/tool-tangle-free-pethair-basket.jpg?$responsive$&cropPathE=tablet&fit=stretch,1&wid=1025)
This thing is frickin' spectacular at cleaning upholstery. I was in need of a vacuum cleaner a few years back and coincidentally after my grandparents died no one else wanted their two vacuum cleaners, a Bissell and a Eureka, so I took 'em both thinking I'd keep whichever I liked more and would sell the other. In the end I hated them both and sold them
both off for money toward the Dyson, but the thing I
reeeeeeally hated about the damn things was their "powered brush" tools for upholstery. I don't have any leather furniture so I'm always using the vacuum to clean my chairs and couches, and the Bissell and Eureka tools were appallingly bad. The Dyson tool was a revelation by comparison, it works great!
I will also vouch for Dyson, my usual supplier for home appliances and power tools is the local Champion Bosch, but their cordless vacuum absolutely sucks (well actually it does not suck that is the problem) compared to the Dyson.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 29, 2019, 07:03:20 PM
I have no carpet. I win.
Dyson has a "fluffy" motorized head for the cordless vacs that is amazing on hardwood floord
Quote from: 93JC on January 29, 2019, 05:17:38 PM
True.
True, and last year it was up to $1.42B in profit on $5.67B in revenue. Margins in the automotive industry are much tighter, and even basket-case Tesla posted over $11B in revenue in 2017, and lost over $600M. Their 2018 revenues should hit about $20B but they'll almost assuredly still post a loss.
That said Dyson is still a private firm owned solely by James Dyson himself, so ultimately he can make whatever irrational decisions he wants as long as he's got the cash to burn.
Tesla is about the worst example out there of how automotive operations should be run :lol:
I've never used a Dyson. I've only owned one vacuum in my life (and it still works fine)...a Kirby vacuum that I bought used from my brother (when he wanted to a buy a new one). My current house is hardwood and tile everywhere except the basement, so it only gets used occasionally nowadays but it is still going.
Dyson is a fraud. In this video about his revolutionary "digital motor" (i.e., brushless motor, that have been made for decades) he equates carbon dust from brushes used on universal motors (typically what powers appliances) with "carbon emissions." You gotta be kidding me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kcGltYWz3k
But I do have two of the vacuums and they were definitely game changers.
As to the EV? Like all EVs, it's mostly just PR, with the side helping parasitic statism (i.e., being queued up in the chance that government hegemony declares the ICE and enemy of the state).
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 30, 2019, 08:11:24 AM
I've never used a Dyson. I've only owned one vacuum in my life (and it still works fine)...a Kirby vacuum that I bought used from my brother (when he wanted to a buy a new one). My current house is hardwood and tile everywhere except the basement, so it only gets used occasionally nowadays but it is still going.
Kirby, made in the USA. Warren Buffet approves.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 30, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
As to the EV? Like all EVs, it's mostly just PR, with the side helping parasitic statism (i.e., being queued up in the chance that government hegemony declares the ICE and enemy of the state).
Quote from: GoCougs on January 30, 2019, 08:42:10 AM
Dyson is a fraud. In this video about his revolutionary "digital motor" (i.e., brushless motor, that have been made for decades) he equates carbon dust from brushes used on universal motors (typically what powers appliances) with "carbon emissions." You gotta be kidding me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kcGltYWz3k
But I do have two of the vacuums and they were definitely game changers.
Cougs is in his bag here, like Klay putting up 14 3s against the Bulls
I am in agreement on the EV announcements though... just a free press/SEO grab.