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Title: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: Laconian on December 17, 2022, 10:52:53 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/car-repossessions-are-rise-warning-sign-economy-rcna61916

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Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: dazzleman on December 18, 2022, 06:31:40 AM
Not surprising at all.  Americans have long been overleveraged.  My own opinion is that if a person is buying more than a basic car and needs financing to do it, then he can't afford the car.  It's idiotic to have huge debt and payments on a rapidly depreciating asset.  Once again, Americans have been snookered into having permanent car payments, rather than payments for the first 3 years or so, followed by a period of ownership without payments.
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: Morris Minor on December 18, 2022, 07:09:07 AM
I assume car loan debt: prime, near-prime & sub-prime, is packaged and resold like everything else.
The value of the collateral, new & used cars, was inflated by low supply and free COVID-bucks. So the finance companies and the debt holders have a big problem: borrowers have walked away and all that repossessed inventory is not worth what they're owed.
Apart from the large volume of repossessions that needs to be unloaded, the value of that excess supply is *also* lowered by its relative undesirability vs soon-to-be heavily subsidized EVs.
See also: https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=34841.msg2553385#msg2553385 (https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=34841.msg2553385#msg2553385)

This (evidently from the president of some group of dealerships) has had lots of retweets.
https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1603794722140688384 (https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1603794722140688384)

Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 18, 2022, 07:46:23 PM
Used car prices shot up so much it was easier to justify a new car loan.

But really, easy debt is a cancer in our country. Too many people over-extend themselves for too many things. When "everyone" is doing it, it's easy to believe that a car payment for life and second mortgage are "normal" and they'll eventually pay it all off.
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 19, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
I think the numbers are still lower than pre-pandemic, so nothing to worry about (yet)
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: GoCougs on December 20, 2022, 12:15:27 AM
Who remembers this awesome flex? Should come at no surprise.

https://twitter.com/jessicaray0/status/1563329075153760256
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: Laconian on December 20, 2022, 12:51:50 AM
I just showed that to Cedric yesterday :lol: So many 25 year olds up to their eyeballs in debt.
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: Morris Minor on December 20, 2022, 05:11:06 AM
My sister's significant other drives an elderly Euro version Honda Accord - no payments haha. He could be a model for the Millionaire Next Door books.
Title: Re: Car repossessions are on the rise
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 20, 2022, 07:22:01 AM
Quote from: Laconian on December 20, 2022, 12:51:50 AM
I just showed that to Cedric yesterday :lol: So many 25 year olds up to their eyeballs in debt.

That's just when it starts. If they're smart they dig out by 35-40 but many never do.

A dude making what I make just dropped pictures on FB of his new house they're building- 3 stories 6 bedrooms, at least 3 living areas. Sure he has a bunch of kids but I'm thinking he'll be comfortable with his salary and payments but not if something unexpected happens....