So I picked up a set of Goodyear winter tires last week, and I was wondering when I should put them on. They have about 80% treadlife remaining, and I'm worried that if I put them on now, the soft compound would wear like a mofo in the 50-degree weather.
When would be the best time to put them on, and should I consider getting a set for my rear tires, too?
For reference, I live in SW Pennsylvania, and I drive about 100-150 miles/week. Thanks.
It's more about the surface you'll be driving on. And I'm guessing that for the majority of the winter, you won't be driving on snow-covered roads. So... :huh:
We've had the same set of Blizzaks for four winters on the Grand Marquis and they're on the car about 5 to 6 months each year, including some longer (1000-mile) road trips where there isn't snow on the roads and they have another one or two good seasons left in 'em. Put 'em on in a month. Or after the first snow. That's usually what we do. No sense in putting them on now, eh?
I wouldn't put them on until late November, personally. I suspect we get snow up here in NY before SW PA does, and we really don't see enough snowfall that sticks to the roads pre-Thanksgiving to make it worth putting them on much before that.
Wait, do you have a set, or just two?
Ill be putting mine back on whenever it gets to consistently freezing temps overnight, since my regular tires are now summer tires, not all-seasons.
I recommend a set of four snow tires to prevent unexpected oversteer in turns.
They say that when the temperature begins averaging 7?, it's time to switch to the winter compounds. Yes, and never put only two winter tires on a car, especially a FWD!
Quote from: Pancor on October 20, 2010, 07:38:27 PM
They say that when the temperature begins averaging 7?, it's time to switch to the winter compounds. Yes, and never put only two winter tires on a car, especially a FWD!
So it's time to start searching out two for the rear, too? Everyone around here seems to only buy two at a time.
Always use 4 winter tires. Your rear end will try to pass the front if you're braking and the front tires dig in and the rears act like skates. Put the tires on when your daytime temperature starts getting below 45F. Once it gets down there, your night time temps start getting below freezing and you could wake up to snow one morning. Personally, I wouldn't wait too long though because then you have to deal with the crush of people at the tire store who all waited till the last second. The wear on the tires won't be too bad either since it won't be long before it gets cold.
Craigslist is my friend, and there's another set for $80 on it with wheels already mounted on them.
A buddy of mine had a pair of WinterForce on the front of his Buick Regal one winter. Never thought a FWD Buick could dorifto like that. :lol:
I survived Snowpocalypse with the same tires currently on my car. I'm sure it can be done; I just don't want to do it again.
Glad I don't have to deal with this crap.
Quote from: Mustangfan2003 on October 20, 2010, 11:35:19 PM
Glad I don't have to deal with this crap.
+1
I don't think I could deal with that crap. Perhaps it why so many northern people move south?
The day before it snows for me.
I usually put mine on the week before thanksgiving, same time I put up the Christmas lights.
Quote from: Onslaught on October 21, 2010, 05:01:12 AM
+1
I don't think I could deal with that crap. Perhaps it why so many northern people move south?
It's not the once a year ritual of putting on snow tires that's the real hassle of winter (heck, I don't even bother with them). It's the daily ritual of shoveling out the driveway and clearing/scraping snow and ice off of your car every morning so that you can get to work that's far far more bothersome. And the road salt destroying your car well before it's time...
Quote from: MX793 on October 23, 2010, 07:38:04 AM
It's not the once a year ritual of putting on snow tires that's the real hassle of winter (heck, I don't even bother with them). It's the daily ritual of shoveling out the driveway and clearing/scraping snow and ice off of your car every morning so that you can get to work that's far far more bothersome. And the road salt destroying your car well before it's time...
I never thought of that stuff as a chore.
It is just part of life, much like having to eat and breath.
Then again, I relished working in the most foul weather, too.
:huh:
Quote from: MX793 on October 23, 2010, 07:38:04 AM
It's not the once a year ritual of putting on snow tires that's the real hassle of winter (heck, I don't even bother with them). It's the daily ritual of shoveling out the driveway and clearing/scraping snow and ice off of your car every morning so that you can get to work that's far far more bothersome. And the road salt destroying your car well before it's time...
And driving in white outs. And having the crap stuck on your shoes when you get in your car so it gets your interior nasty. And freezing your ass off until the car gets warm. And not be able to do the outside activities you normally do (running for me). And not being able to drive with the windows/top down with a nice warm breeze. And not being able to do track days or autoXs because they are done for the season. And your car looks like shit because of all the crap from the roads gets kicked up and you can't wash it because it's below freezing
This is why some of us drive $800 cars.
Or SUVs that we don't care about cosmetically.
Those are all reasons why I LOVE the winter. :praise:
Quote from: R-inge on October 23, 2010, 04:48:38 PM
Those are all reasons why I LOVE the winter. :praise:
Right. I absolutely adore snow.
:wub: WINTER :wub:
See, someone else with some sense. :lol:
Love winter as well.
The X5, for what it is worth, is actually not good at all off the pavement. While I am not surprised, I am disappointed.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 24, 2010, 02:54:56 PM
Boo!
You don't even have winter. You had one giant storm last winter. So you shush. :rage:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 24, 2010, 05:22:07 PM
You don't even have winter. You had one giant storm last winter. So you shush. :rage:
you mad
From what I hear colorado is likely to have most of the big storms fly over us to the north, so yous guys in the midwest might get quite a bit more snow than me this year.
I only really have to worry about a lot of snow if I leave the valley. Otherwise, the snow isn't that bad.
I put my wintah tyres on today... pretty much because my summer tires are 70% worn and just picked up a nail in a completely unfixable location (aka near the sidewalk and plugs just blow out)
Ill probably get around to putting the snow shoes on myself sometime this week. Getting pretty cold.
Quote from: r0tor on October 25, 2010, 06:29:24 PM
I put my wintah tyres on today... pretty much because my summer tires are 70% worn and just picked up a nail in a completely unfixable location (aka near the sidewalk and plugs just blow out)
Should be repairable with a patch. I've repaired nail punctures actually in the sidewall. Personally, I won't use plugs alone. I only use plugs for something pretty large (like a 1/4 bolt), and I use it to supplement a section patch.
That said, probably not worth paying to patch it with so little tread left.
I tried two different shops as I wanted it patched and neither would touch it thanks to our litegatious world....
Quote from: r0tor on October 26, 2010, 01:11:43 PM
I tried two different shops as I wanted it patched and neither would touch it thanks to our litegatious world....
Tire shops or general vehicle repair shops? I doubt anybody at the latter would even know how to properly patch a tire (most general repair shops and dealer service shops only stuff a plug in from what I've seen and heard) and it wouldn't surprise me if folks at the former don't do enough of it to be any good at it. I think it's almost a lost art for car tires. I guess I'm lucky in that I have the know-how and access to the necessary equipment to do it myself if I ever get a nail puncture.
I has tha tiyahs on muh car, but they feel every fucking bump in the ground and the steering doesn't feel as connected as it did.
Also, I need new front brake pads. Motherfucker.
Dedicated now tires are absolutely awful on anything but snow. Terrible ride. Terrible road noise . Terrible traction. Floaty handling as the tread blocks roll and squish.
I'm dreading having to get them put on in the next couple of weeks...
Just picked up a set of winter tires and wheels myself today. Almost new Bridgestone Blizzaks mounted and balanced on 14" steelies for $200. :praise:
Quote from: GoCougs on November 07, 2010, 10:42:50 PM
Dedicated now tires are absolutely awful on anything but snow. Terrible ride. Terrible road noise . Terrible traction. Floaty handling as the tread blocks roll and squish.
I'm dreading having to get them put on in the next couple of weeks...
Dunlop wintersport m3s are none of the above... except when they wear out, then they are insanely loud
Quote from: the Teuton on November 07, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
I has tha tiyahs on muh car, but they feel every fucking bump in the ground and the steering doesn't feel as connected as it did.
Also, I need new front brake pads. Motherfucker.
Really? My car has a much better ride with winter tires, bumps aren't as noticeable. Steering is nautical though, and every one of Cougs's points also applies. Though re: ride, I'm going from 16" wheels and tires for summer to 14" wheels and tires for winter though. What's your setup?
Pads are cheap and easy, dude. Seriously, I know you're not big on working on cars yourself, but it's probably 30 minutes worth of work on that car.
My car rides better, handles worse, experiences no difference in noise, and traction is really no different with winter tires. Obviously depends on the winter tires. My Hankook iPike W409s are awesome.
Quote from: r0tor on November 08, 2010, 06:03:44 AM
Dunlop wintersport m3s are none of the above... except when they wear out, then they are insanely loud
Then I'd question how good they are in snow. That which makes (studless) snow tires good on snow by definition makes them terrible on bare roads.
The wintersport m3 and 3d are both performance snows,bso they're not as good on snow and ice as say a WS60 but they are better than an all-season by a long shot.
I think what Cougs is saying, is that by the very nature of what/how they are made true snow tires cannot be good on the dry.
I have to agree with this from an experience standpoint, as well as from a basic knowledge of chemistry standpoint.
Tires which have been made to be the very best on snow and ice are made with compounds so soft and sticky they cannot rise to the level warm blooded "regular" tires.
Everytime they are adjusted to be better on the dry, their ability in the snow goes down.
It is an "either/or" predicament, and while a nice happy medium can be reached, the happy medium will still pale in comparison to either side of the coin.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 08, 2010, 09:58:28 AM
Really? My car has a much better ride with winter tires, bumps aren't as noticeable. Steering is nautical though, and every one of Cougs's points also applies. Though re: ride, I'm going from 16" wheels and tires for summer to 14" wheels and tires for winter though. What's your setup?
Pads are cheap and easy, dude. Seriously, I know you're not big on working on cars yourself, but it's probably 30 minutes worth of work on that car.
Goodyear Winterforce tires. I'm going to have to get them balanced, too, because they vibrate like a mofo. I'll do that Saturday or next week.
And as for the pads and r0tors, read my post in the chat thread. I'm getting a good deal.
You mean Firestone Winterforce? That's a pretty good tire, my buddy has a Malibu with those tires (studded) and it's a beast in the snow.
I bought my setup yesterday, and Albany got a mini blizzard of sorts today. How's that for timing? :lol:
Me and my friend traversed un-groomed snowmobile trails in a G6 with Winterforce tires. It was rather amazing how well the car did. :confused:
My bad. Goodyear Ultra Grip...without the studs.
(http://winter-tires.net/images/studded%20tires.jpg)
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 08, 2010, 10:22:27 PM
Me and my friend traversed un-groomed snowmobile trails in a G6 with Winterforce tires. It was rather amazing how well the car did. :confused:
Yeah, we've definitely gone some crazy places in the Malibu. And my Civic with Blizzaks was legit too, I'd bomb it through fields. Getting high centered was an issue, but in light snow, it'd push through right until the snow started coming up over the hood. I'm hoping the Mazda is equally adept, I'm looking forward to winter (we actually got a few inches today).
:rockon:
Quote from: the Teuton on November 08, 2010, 10:23:09 PM
My bad. Goodyear Ultra Grip...without the studs.
(http://winter-tires.net/images/studded%20tires.jpg)
That tire should be pretty good too. Looks a bit like the General Altimax Arctic, which is a knock off of the Gislaved Nordfrost tire. Pretty awesome stuff, I was looking for Altimax Arctics originally. And I still might sell these Blizzaks and get the Altimax for the steelies (only $52 apiece in the size I need).
We didn't get hardly anything for snow last year, but this year should be different. I'm looking forward to driving with a legit 4WD with good tires (aggressive AT tires with sipes-- next best thing to snow tires). In the past, fate has conspired against me to prevent me from driving a legit vehicle in snow. Once, when I had the first Trooper, we got a good snow, but I had a flat tire. Another time, with the other Trooper, we got a foot and a half, but the Trooper was a broke piece of shit by then. Actually, before I moved to Boise, I had only driven a few times in the snow. It snowed pretty good when I had my first car, and when I went to drive around in it, I discovered that the shocks were frozen! The first winter I was here, I had that Ranger with all seasons. I got stuck in an icy parking lot, and almost got stuck trying to turn onto a busy road. Good damn thing there are no hills in Boise. You had to be careful where you put the rear wheels, or you'd be SOL.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 08, 2010, 01:01:39 PM
Then I'd question how good they are in snow. That which makes (studless) snow tires good on snow by definition makes them terrible on bare roads.
I've driven a rwd sportcar for the last 6 years sometimes in snow that was half way up the front bumper... I'd say they are pretty damn sufficient
Hmmn.
I don't have snow tires.
Is this a problem?
Do you live in a region that gets multiple heavy snowfalls per year?
Quote from: R-inge on November 09, 2010, 10:14:35 AM
Do you live in a region that gets multiple heavy snowfalls per year?
I do, and have for my entire driving life, and I still have yet to spring for dedicated snows.
My tires feel a lot better now. Of course, I drove on them for 150 miles with 10 psi under normal.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 09, 2010, 03:40:38 PM
My tires feel a lot better now. Of course, I drove on them for 150 miles with 10 psi under normal.
Check for heat blisters.
Interesting, any 2WD car I've owned, including the Accord, has been mostly worthless in the snow on all-seasons. At least around here there's lots of hills and our roads aren't all that well plowed. Plus I do a lot pass and ski area driving, which is nigh impossible on all-seasons owing to DOT and area mandates.
Quote from: R-inge on November 09, 2010, 10:14:35 AM
Do you live in a region that gets multiple heavy snowfalls per year?
Yes.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 09, 2010, 03:50:34 PM
Interesting, any 2WD car I've owned, including the Accord, has been mostly worthless in the snow on all-seasons. At least around here there's lots of hills and our roads aren't all that well plowed. Plus I do a lot pass and ski area driving, which is nigh impossible on all-seasons owing to DOT and area mandates.
I agree. Snows are mandatory here and I'm happy for that. People who have never driven a car with snows have no idea the night and day difference there is between them and all-seasons (3 seasons).
Snow tires makes things better, but you can manage without them if you are willing to drive slower/ plan ahead.
I drove a rwd car without ABS in the snow with worn out summer tires all the time when I was in college and highschool. I just got used to having no traction and not getting up certain inclines (so I planned around them) and very long stopping distances without being able to steer.
Then I drove my buddy's old civic in the snow with his regular all season tires, and I honestly had my mind blown, it was like defying physics. I mean, making a 20 mph turn without drifting and countersteering??? what was this sorcery?
Then I got an SUV with AWD and mud/snow tires and was even more blown away.
Snow driving prowess is alot like speed and performance. You can get used to 0-60 in 4 seconds, but you can still manage with a 0-60 in 14 seconds. Think about back in the day when roads were not as well cleared, every car was pretty much RWD, ABS didn't exist, and tires sucked. The northern side of the country didn't completely shut down when winter came.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 09, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
Yes.
I wouldn't call ~50" annual snowfall a justification for snow tires. lulz.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
I wouldn't call ~50" annual snowfall a justification for snow tires. lulz.
I view snow tires as the same thing as summer tires. Sure, an all-season is going to get you around the corner, but a summer tire gets you around it that much faster. :devil: And yeah, I've made all-season work for many years, in an area that receives around 100 inches of snow annually.
To each his own, and I'd probably be less inclined to get snow tires if I owned a something like a Forester or a GM W-body (surprisingly adept in the snow), but the differences in performance on my Mazda are far too great to ignore.
I just work from home when it snows.
Most of the time I work, but sometimes there are quotes surrounding the verb: "work"
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
I wouldn't call ~50" annual snowfall a justification for snow tires. lulz.
Snowpocalypse raped them, too; just not as badly as it did everyone east of Ohio. They got 22 inches in a single sitting; we got 34.
OMG the worst snow in the last 50 yeasr means i needz tires! ;)
Quote from: Rupert on November 10, 2010, 10:26:19 PM
OMG the worst snow in the last 50 yeasr means i needz tires! ;)
:rage:
The only reason I got around last year was because I had a shovel and a 260 lbs. roommate to push my car. I only have one of those this year.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 10, 2010, 10:23:14 PM
Snowpocalypse raped them, too; just not as badly as it did everyone east of Ohio. They got 22 inches in a single sitting; we got 34.
That's absolutely no reason to get snow tires and you know it. Like Rupert said. I'm curious if people in areas like yours actually buy snow tires more often than people in actually snowy regions. People in actually snowy regions simply know how to drive in the stuff. People in your area of the country get 8" of snow, freak out, and then buy snow tires for the next snowpocalypse that never happens.
:huh:
Sounds like here.
We freak out when it rains, too. You'd think we'd be used to it by now!
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2010, 10:44:28 PM
That's absolutely no reason to get snow tires and you know it. Like Rupert said. I'm curious if people in areas like yours actually buy snow tires more often than people in actually snowy regions. People in actually snowy regions simply know how to drive in the stuff. People in your area of the country get 8" of snow, freak out, and then buy snow tires for the next snowpocalypse that never happens.
:huh:
Mine were free. Duh. ;)
For reference:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs576.ash2/149800_866937094093_14228342_46153746_2319232_n.jpg)
No reference is necessary.
Seriously. We all know what a foot of snow looks like. But just because I drove through a smokey area last summer, does not mean I need oxygen tanks, ya dig?
I drove through a bad part of town in Detroit once a few years ago. I didn't go out and buy a gun afterwards, though.
Ya dig?
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 14, 2010, 06:45:35 PM
I drove through a bad part of town in Detroit once a few years ago. I didn't go out and buy a gun afterwards, though.
Ya dig?
Better to be safe than sorry.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-sKZMbNqP0&feature=related
Safe than sorry? So, what...in the incredibly rare event of another snowpocalypse in which you won't drive anyway because your car has no ground clearance you can at least look out your window and go "ahhh, at least I have snow tires!"
:huh:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 14, 2010, 06:58:05 PM
Safe than sorry? So, what...in the incredibly rare event of another snowpocalypse in which you won't drive anyway because your car has no ground clearance you can at least look out your window and go "ahhh, at least I have snow tires!"
:huh:
Meh, ground clearance is an issue, but not so much. I've pushed through snow coming coming up over the hood. Granted, that was in a field at high speed...
Other than that, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. You're clearly not in the winter tire camp.
I miss eh-dubya-dee. Yes, the old car performed better than the new car in inclement weather without wintah tiyahs. It was noticeable.
The best thing the PlastiCar had going for it was the manual transmission made it easier to modulate the car's throttle to get out of snow drifts.
Still, I think this car will rock in the white stuff now. I need to get the wheels balanced, though.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 14, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
Meh, ground clearance is an issue, but not so much. I've pushed through snow coming coming up over the hood. Granted, that was in a field at high speed...
Other than that, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. You're clearly not in the winter tire camp.
Also dry snow, I bet.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 14, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
Meh, ground clearance is an issue, but not so much. I've pushed through snow coming coming up over the hood. Granted, that was in a field at high speed...
Other than that, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. You're clearly not in the winter tire camp.
Whaaaaa? I love winter tires. I just think it's strange/weird/pathetic/silly that Teuts and others that experienced one snowpocalypse think it's necessary to get snow tirez.
Yeah, because you're from the UP.
They aren't a necessity but they make life easier
and they get more than one snowfall a year
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 14, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Whaaaaa? I love winter tires. I just think it's strange/weird/pathetic/silly that Teuts and others that experienced one snowpocalypse think it's necessary to get snow tirez.
Uh, I definitely got groceries with A/S tires on my car last year. I don't have a 260-pound roommate to help push my car anymore, though. More traction is always a plus.
It's only more traction in snow/ice. It's less traction everywhere else.
Quote from: Rupert on November 14, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
It's only more traction in snow/ice. It's less traction everywhere else.
Yeah, I know. I'm not really a fan of the ride at all right now. The car feels completely unsorted, twitchy, and bouncy like the struts are blown (which they're not).
And you will suffer through this all winter long, only using the tires in a light snow two times. Sounds like a good purchase to me! ;)
Quote from: Rupert on November 14, 2010, 09:33:51 PM
And you will suffer through this all winter long, only using the tires in a light snow two times. Sounds like a good purchase to me! ;)
Luckily, the highway driving will only last so much longer. I might have to change the tires back for my 380-mile roundtrip to Columbus and back in a week if the weather keeps being generally pleasant.
Quote from: Rupert on November 14, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
It's only more traction in snow/ice. It's less traction everywhere else.
Incorrect.
One other important component of winter tires is that they have a different (softer) compound to aid in grip in colder temperatures, even dry roads. Forty-four degrees is a fairly significant point here - winter tires start to excel in temps colder than this while all-season grip is diminished and summer tire grip is more or less gone. The difference now is less than it was even 10 years ago;, as technology evolves modern all-seasons are better able to maintain grip in cold temperatures, but proper winter tires are still superior. There's a really good graph/study that proves this, I can't find it at the moment but I'll dig it up.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 14, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Whaaaaa? I love winter tires. I just think it's strange/weird/pathetic/silly that Teuts and others that experienced one snowpocalypse think it's necessary to get snow tirez.
Hmm. I distinctly got the impression that you weren't a proponent of snow tires. That's what I get for finishing up a paper and enjoying a few adult beverage while I read the 'Spin.
To those who think winter tires are a bad idea, ... huh?! :confused:
Quote from: R-inge on November 14, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
To those who think winter tires are a bad idea, ... huh?! :confused:
Haha, yeah.
My Blizzaks are stacked in my dining room (small apt.), and I'm itching for a blizzard so I can go destroy some parking lots. Probably going to put them on this coming week, temp is getting down into the 40s and will probably stay there.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 14, 2010, 09:46:17 PM
Hmm. I distinctly got the impression that you weren't a proponent of snow tires. That's what I get for finishing up a paper and enjoying a few adult beverage while I read the 'Spin.
Not at all. I'm just not a proponent of snow tires in an area when they only need them once or twice a year. Wasted money, IMO. :huh:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 15, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Not at all. I'm just not a proponent of snow tires in an area when they only need them once or twice a year. Wasted money, IMO. :huh:
Well it's his money and if it makes him feel safer, why not? And he got two of the tires for free so it's not like he blew a ton of money on the winter tires. :huh:
Money has been wasted on far worse before...
I'm aware he got them fo' fwee.
Sweet zombie Jesus... :facepalm:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 15, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Not at all. I'm just not a proponent of snow tires in an area when they only need them once or twice a year. Wasted money, IMO. :huh:
My view is that snow tires are demonstrably better in all winter weather, and the cost of the tires is less than my insurance deductible. So it's absolutely worth it.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 15, 2010, 12:17:37 PM
I hear ya...
You ended up getting 4 tires, right? Have you put 'em on yet? I'm putting mine on towards the tail end of this week or early next week. Just waiting for the temp to get down into the 40s and stay below that point.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 15, 2010, 12:21:53 PM
You ended up getting 4 tires, right? Have you put 'em on yet? I'm putting mine on towards the tail end of this week or early next week. Just waiting for the temp to get down into the 40s and stay below that point.
Two. And I have to get them balanced like a mofo.
Hold on... did I miss the death of plasticar?
Quote from: the Teuton on November 15, 2010, 12:24:49 PM
Two. And I have to get them balanced like a mofo.
Dude, two winter tires is almost worse than no winter tires. Front of the car is going to have traction, and the rear will be all loosey-goosey. You'll probably be able to manage it putting around town, but it's going to be a shitshow when you get into higher speeds.
Quote from: r0tor on November 15, 2010, 12:25:28 PM
Hold on... did I miss the death of plasticar?
Nevar.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 15, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
Dude, two winter tires is almost worse than no winter tires. Front of the car is going to have traction, and the rear will be all loosey-goosey. You'll probably be able to manage it putting around town, but it's going to be a shitshow when you get into higher speeds.
x10
Like racing slicks on the front and 100 kmile cheapo all-seasons on the rear. Except at normal driving speeds.
I think the El Camino will be ready to drive by the time it starts snowing. It will have no winter tires, it ain't no sissy car!
:lol:
Oh, man, you're gonna get good at unintentional donuts.
Yep. :lol:
It doesn't snow a whole lot around here, though, some I'm not too worried. Once this set of tires wears out I'll probably get another set of wheels (probably 17s or 18s) to put some summer rubber on and put some mild winter/snow tires on the rims I have now.
Quote from: Rupert on November 17, 2010, 09:12:13 PM
Oh, man, you're gonna get good at unintentional donuts.
Throw some sandbags or cinder blocks in the back and it'll be all good.
Quote from: MX793 on November 18, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
Throw some sandbags or cinder blocks in the back and it'll be all good.
As long as the tires on the back on in really good shape, I have to agree.
We ran snows on police cars on the rear only for my entire career. They still do as far as I know, except up around here, where they run them at all four corners.
The fronts just had to be on nearly new condition, and you had to be a little careful.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
I wouldn't call ~50" annual snowfall a justification for snow tires. lulz.
You know, I have considered this post for awhile now.
Upon a glossary view I would concur, however, if we are talking about the old fashioned block snow tires.
Modern snows have far more uses than snow only. They are incredible on ice, and could all but prevent black ice crashes. They are also really good in slushy conditions where only a couple inches fell, but the slush makes the roads hazardous without deep snow.
They also work pretty well in heavy rain due to all the extra sipes and channels.
This is actually a decent article regarding modern winters;
http://valuecanuck.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/purchase-decision-winter-tires-part-1/
Quote from: The Pirate on November 15, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
Dude, two winter tires is almost worse than no winter tires. Front of the car is going to have traction, and the rear will be all loosey-goosey. You'll probably be able to manage it putting around town, but it's going to be a shitshow when you get into higher speeds.
I told him this earlier in the thread. The problem with just two winter tires on the front will rear it's ugly head at intersections before he has a problem at higher speeds. He will be coming to an icy intersection where the fronts will bite and the rears will just slide to the side and try to swap ends with the fronts.
Quote from: hounddog on November 18, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
As long as the tires on the back on in really good shape, I have to agree.
We ran snows on police cars on the rear only for my entire career. They still do as far as I know, except up around here, where they run them at all four corners.
The fronts just had to be on nearly new condition, and you had to be a little careful.
Teuton isn't quite at the level of trained police officers when it comes to driving in the snow :lol:
True.
However, my parents did the same thing and they were never trained LE drivers.