2022 Subaru BRZ

[MrH]

Hopefully they fix the clutch and throttle pedals.

The Miata clutch is exactly how I like it - engagement starts right at the bottom of the pedal travel, and the throttle sensitivity is good (not too much, not too little)

What did you not like about the throttle?  I thought the clutch feel also sucked, but the throttle never stuck out as an issue to me.

[MX793]

I can only see visually though.  Who knows what this thing is like to drive.  I would imagine better, but I don't know if they fixed the issues I had with it.

Doesn't sound like the engine is dramatically different.  Bigger, but how does the bore and stroke compare?  Does it rev higher?  Hopefully kills the dead zone, sounds better, etc.

It's promising, just wish there was a terbow

Redline is down to 7000.  Peak torque is 184 lb-ft at 3700, up nearly 30 torques from the old car and at a much lower RPM.

[CaminoRacer]

What did you not like about the throttle?  I thought the clutch feel also sucked, but the throttle never stuck out as an issue to me.

Seemed too sensitive. But maybe that's just because the clutch didn't engage until the top of the pedal travel.

[MX793]

Toyota DBW throttles have a reputation for being touchy at the on/off transition.  My RAV is pretty jumpy.  Need to be very gentle on tip-in.  Being heavy, gutless, and having a slushbox helps, too.

Interestingly, Yamaha, which Toyota owns a large stake of, has similar problems with their DBW throttles.

[SJ_GTI]

Redline is down to 7000.  Peak torque is 184 lb-ft at 3700, up nearly 30 torques from the old car and at a much lower RPM.

I saw that in the article, but the specs list 7000 rpm as the peak HP. The pictures of the tachometer make the redline look like it is around ~7500 RPM.

[MX793]

I saw that in the article, but the specs list 7000 rpm as the peak HP. The pictures of the tachometer make the redline look like it is around ~7500 RPM.

I wonder if it has a soft redline and a hard redline, which is what my Mustang has.

[Payman]

I wonder if it has a soft redline and a hard redline, which is what my Mustang has.

Yellowline?

[MX793]

Yellowline?

On some 80s cars.  On my Mustang, it's a dashed/broken line for 500 rpm then it goes solid (and the rev limiter kicks in).

[Rich]

Seemed too sensitive. But maybe that's just because the clutch didn't engage until the top of the pedal travel.

You're right, that thing was an on off switch.  The ND is much better.

[Laconian]

You're right, that thing was an on off switch.  The ND is much better.

ND clutch is so good.

[r0tor]

I'll pass

[MrH]

The looks are really growing on me.  I thought the 1st gen was really good looking, and every aspect of this looks better except maybe the front end.

It'll be interesting to see how this ends up driving.  They did a press event that showed the vehicle to journalists, and they got to ride in it, but no driving.  But the engine essentially got a very similar make over like Mazda did with the Miata.  Big increase in bore, same stroke, more torque across the board.  Stickier tires, body is slightly longer, wider, and shorter.  Interior changes addresses a lot of problems with the first gen.

This could be a real winner.  Can't wait for ND2 vs BRZ comparisons.  As much as I like the S2000, it's pushing 20 years old now.  If the value continues to hold or go up like it has been, I could see myself getting an ND2 or new BRZ in another year or two.

[FoMoJo]

The S2000 is a classic and the value will continue to rise; not so much the BRZ.

20 years from now a good S2000 will be highly sought after.

[MrH]

20 years from now???  That's a whole lot of maintenance and upkeep between now and then.

[FoMoJo]

20 years from now???  That's a whole lot of maintenance and upkeep between now and then.

How much depreciation on a BRZ in the first year or two?

[MrH]

How much depreciation on a BRZ in the first year or two?

The car is already 20 years old! You're saying I should keep it another 20 years? I'm not in the business of maintaining classic cars. I just want something fun in the garage for little hassle. If I can upgrade to something better dynamically and more modern for not a huge dollar amount, I'm going to do it.

We'll see how this new BRZ compares to the ND2.  It'll likely be cheaper, which is a big benefit. The Miata is great, it's just expensive for what it is.

[AutobahnSHO]

Yeah, there is a curve of depreciation before the appreciation really kicks back in- but he's right, the Miata is a dime a dozen while the good S2000s are already hard to find.

[MrH]

...but ND2s are better than S2000s in most areas.

[AutobahnSHO]

...but ND2s are better than S2000s in most areas.

The most valuable Porsche is not the bestest driving one...

[MrH]

I'm not a car speculator and investor with a 20 year time horizon.  Cars are terrible investments.

[FoMoJo]

I'm not a car speculator and investor with a 20 year time horizon.  Cars are terrible investments.

That's okay if you're not into that sort of thing.  Hopefully if/when to sell it, someone who is willing to preserve it will get it.

I only mention it because some time ago I had a couple of cars I dearly wish I was able to keep.

[AutobahnSHO]

That's okay if you're not into that sort of thing.  Hopefully if/when to sell it, someone who is willing to preserve it will get it.

I only mention it because some time ago I had a couple of cars I dearly wish I was able to keep.

This. There is a time and place to keep and maintain cars, unfortunately that window seems mostly limited to older age.

I wish I had my 91 SHO but couldn't afford repairs at the time.

[Rich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsTc2rhipwk

a fun look at why the BRZ is a good thing

[MrH]

Just watched that.  Camissa said he was going to make this video at some point.

I'm really excited for this car.  It basically fixes the one glaring issue with the first BRZ, looks much better.  Going to test drive this and the ND2 back to back when it comes out, but there's probably a good chance I end up with the BRZ.

[Rich]

will you sell the outback?  not sure why you'd want two tin tops

[Laconian]

will you sell the outback?  not sure why you'd want two tin tops

Scalpburn

(Spoken as a new member of the "gotta wear a hat when it's sunny" club)

[MrH]

will you sell the outback?  not sure why you'd want two tin tops

Nope.  Keeping the Outback too.  The ND2 is still in contention.

Scalpburn

(Spoken as a new member of the "gotta wear a hat when it's sunny" club)

that's part of it!

If I'm going to get something new, I want to drive it more than I'm driving the S2000.  Driving to work is pretty much top up 90% of the time.  It's too much highway sitting with 18 wheelers, or too hot during the summer.  The S2000 is loud and cramped.  It's fun top down on a back road, but the amount of driving I do in that situation isn't all that much.

There's the height aspect to it too.  At 6'2", ND miatas and S2000s are fine in terms of space with the top down.  Top up, and I can't really adjust my seat at all without my head hitting.  The BRZ gives a lot more space.

[Rich]

Nope.  Keeping the Outback too.  The ND2 is still in contention.

that's part of it!

If I'm going to get something new, I want to drive it more than I'm driving the S2000.  Driving to work is pretty much top up 90% of the time.  It's too much highway sitting with 18 wheelers, or too hot during the summer.  The S2000 is loud and cramped.  It's fun top down on a back road, but the amount of driving I do in that situation isn't all that much.

There's the height aspect to it too.  At 6'2", ND miatas and S2000s are fine in terms of space with the top down.  Top up, and I can't really adjust my seat at all without my head hitting.  The BRZ gives a lot more space.

why not just drive the outback to work then, it has a top.  What would your commute look like if you were to get the new job?  If it's the same highway slog, I'd drive the DD for that and get something topless and powerful (M Roadster?  Boxster?) that's much more fun to drive. 

[Rich]

When you had the BRZ you even mentioned it was pretty pointless to have 2 cars with tin tops.  If I have one new car that is dependable and will get me to work no matter what there is no way I'm going to have another new car.  Imma get something that sounds wonderful, won't depreciate anymore, and is an absolute blast to drive on the backroads. 

[Rich]

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