Quote from: Madman on April 21, 2024, 06:59:35 AMJust be careful, Christian.  I know German laws are pretty strict in regards to "road rudeness" and "offensive gestures."

https://www.dw.com/en/german-drivers-told-to-mind-their-manners-on-the-road/a-2451659


Just giving someone the finger or calling another driver a "dumb cow" can land you a hefty fine.

https://thetravelingovereducatedhousewife.blog/2015/05/06/the-high-price-of-giving-someone-the-finger-in-germany/


You don't want Munich's "Woke" authorities to arrest you, do you?  I'm pretty sure you won't like their soy-based vegan prison food.  Then again, maybe you'll be lucky and the Judge will only make you do community service.  They'll probably have you do outreach work for Munich's local support group for left-handed, transgender, lesbian, Afro-Asian, Midget, Eskimo, Albinos with eating disorders. 

Trust me, I know all about the rules here and I generally don't insult pedestrians or other motorists. 

But lately the stupidity of cyclists, pedestrians and other motorists has literally increased. Cyclists and pedestrians in particular are distracted by their headphones and smartphones and don't seem to pay attention to road safety and other traffic participants.

Been awhile since I hit speeds this high.

Quote from: MrH on May 10, 2024, 10:33:47 AMThere isn't a job called a validator, and it's just how good that individual does that determines whether there will be an issue or not with a vehicle later on.  There are multiple root causes to why something could fail in a car: was the design bad to begin with?  Was the assembly process not repeatable?  Were the quality checks in the process insufficient?

If there's something wrong with a vehicle, it could result in a recall, a TSB, or just general repairs the customer eats throughout ownership.  Most cars tend to have some sort of common issues for the model.  How common is it?  How expensive is it to fix?  Is it dangerous if it does happen?  This is the idea behind how you construct different types of FMEAs (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis).  There are multiple types of FMEAs in manufacturing: design, system, process, etc.  You work through how every single thing could fail, the severity of the failure, and the occurrence rate.  Based on that, you build controls to prevent the failures from occurring.

There's a whole career called validation engineering, but they only own a portion of the process (typically they are guiding the org on how to validate that a good part can be made). But every aspect of engineering are involved to get a successful validation.  Design/product engineers live in the Design FMEA world, manufacturing engineers live in the Process FMEA world, etc.

This isn't a singular person who makes or breaks the whole thing.  This is all built into the corporates processes, procedures, standards, and culture.  It IS the company! And Tesla absolutely sucks at it.

Thanks for this. 👍🏻

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 03:35:22 PMHow do they fix it if the validators fuck up? Or if they figure out something new or better post-product launch?

There isn't a job called a validator, and it's just how good that individual does that determines whether there will be an issue or not with a vehicle later on.  There are multiple root causes to why something could fail in a car: was the design bad to begin with?  Was the assembly process not repeatable?  Were the quality checks in the process insufficient?

If there's something wrong with a vehicle, it could result in a recall, a TSB, or just general repairs the customer eats throughout ownership.  Most cars tend to have some sort of common issues for the model.  How common is it?  How expensive is it to fix?  Is it dangerous if it does happen?  This is the idea behind how you construct different types of FMEAs (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis).  There are multiple types of FMEAs in manufacturing: design, system, process, etc.  You work through how every single thing could fail, the severity of the failure, and the occurrence rate.  Based on that, you build controls to prevent the failures from occurring.

There's a whole career called validation engineering, but they only own a portion of the process (typically they are guiding the org on how to validate that a good part can be made). But every aspect of engineering are involved to get a successful validation.  Design/product engineers live in the Design FMEA world, manufacturing engineers live in the Process FMEA world, etc.

This isn't a singular person who makes or breaks the whole thing.  This is all built into the corporates processes, procedures, standards, and culture.  It IS the company! And Tesla absolutely sucks at it.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 09, 2024, 04:12:19 PMI believe it's called a recall.

Ironically out of the 4 new vehicles my family purchased in 2022 2023, the Cadillac, the BMW, and the Tesla all did not need a major safety recall that couldn't be done over the air.  Only my father's Toyota, 2022 Tundra, had a major safety recall.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/toyota-tundra-pickup-recalled-for-fire-risk-a3546900499/#:~:text=Toyota%20is%20recalling%20over%20168%2C000,installed%20near%20metallic%20brake%20lines.

Apparently they used some flimsy plastic fuel line that wears through and causes fires.  They didn't have the parts for months, so the trucks were brought in for some temp fix which I think was some zip ties until they could actually fix it.

Also the Toyota needed it to have it's driver's seat plastic panel replaced due to a known issue with it cracking.

It also needed a transmission tuning recall for a known and widespread hesitation issue.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 03:35:22 PMHow do they fix it if the validators fuck up? Or if they figure out something new or better post-product launch?

I believe it's called a recall.

Quote from: MrH on May 09, 2024, 12:53:10 PMThey validate design and process before selling them to customers.  Crazy idea, I know.

How do they fix it if the validators fuck up? Or if they figure out something new or better post-product launch?

You can feel the difference with MS Windows. They laid off a lot of their QA team and now they just let the "insiders" find the bugs on their home computers for free.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 12:06:18 PMHow does Toyota get updates out there if it needs to fix something, or improve/add functionality?

They validate design and process before selling them to customers.  Crazy idea, I know.