So i just got back from the local nissan dealer, i was going to check out some z's.
Well i got there at about 7 and they closed at 6(there was one salesman, he was helping a customer who was picking up a truck). Anyway i glanced around and noticed that they didn't have any z's(coupes, they had 3 verts), he informed me that they would be open tomorrow at 9. As i got back into may car my attention was drawn again(at first when i drove in) to the black vette sitting on the lot(used 04), thinking nothing of it a started to leave. Looking again at the vette i see the ZO6 emblem on the fender, by this time the salesman was done helping the customer and walking toword his maxima by the road. I moved over to where he was parked and stopped, asking him about the vette(no window sticker, but the way it was parked you could tell it was a lot car. I asked the price(expecting a mid 40K price) and was shocked when he said 36K, i asked if it was a 04 and he said yes. We stared at eachother for a moment and i asked him again how much it cost(maybe i'm just daft, but i didn't think used Z06's were that cheap), he again told me 36K. I made a remark about how it was a good price, he nodded with a smile(probobly drove her around the block a couple times). I told him i stopped to look at a z car, but i was surprised at the value of thta Z06 compared to a new z car(about 30-32K). He again told me that they would be open tomorrow at 9, and i thanked him again and told him i'd probobly be back.
I'm stretching for a 30K at this moment, but stuff like this just begs me to dig deep and go all out(i'm sure the insurance difference on the two is large), but there are so many good new and slightly used sports cars that i'm starting to doubt myself everyday. Another problem is that i continually drift back to the thought of buyin a used M Coupe, i absolutely adore those cars.
I think i'll have to push my decision date even farther back, and explore(read: testdrive :D ) as many possibilities as i can.
Then again i could just borrow 30K from the bank, and buy a couple of sports cars(MR2 turbo and a 944 turbo, etc).
Do it to it. Wouldn't you rather have one ultimate sports car than 4 "pretty good" ones?
I certainly enjoy having multiple cars to drive around.
I would also really look foward to having a brand new vehicle with a warranty.
the vette doesn't have a transferable warranty? Do it. chances like that don't happend often.
A real man would get the Z06.
QuoteA real man would get the Z06.
Looks at your sig.....thanks ma'am, move along.
I would assume that the vette has a transerable warranty(or GM cars for that matter).
QuoteI would assume that the vette has a transerable warranty(or GM cars for that matter).
so you still get most of the warranty left over.
QuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
Looks at your sig.....thanks ma'am, move along.
i don't think GM would finance a vette for him in canada...
I"d have to check on the warranty
QuoteI would assume that the vette has a transerable warranty(or GM cars for that matter).
I'm sure the salesman would let you know...but I think all factory warranties are transferable..?
PS. You shouldn't be so jealous of my German bred racing car. A Z06 is almost as nice.
QuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
Looks at your sig.....thanks ma'am, move along.
i don't think GM would finance a vette for him in canada...
On a serious note, no GM refused to finance me in Canada since I don't have a permanent residence. Otherwise my username would probably have been Mtl_9-3.
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PS. You shouldn't be so jealous of my German bred racing car. A Z06 is almost as nice.
:rolleyes: :lol:
"German bred racing car"
I would find that funny, if i didn't know that you actually mean that.
QuoteQuote
PS. You shouldn't be so jealous of my German bred racing car. A Z06 is almost as nice.
:rolleyes: :lol:
I miss the "devil" smilie that C&D has. ;)
If you buy the car, you can change your name to FlatBlackChevy.
There is this sweet 2 door hatch 9-3 around town(ground effects and the better saab rims), its nice and its blue.
QuoteThere is this sweet 2 door hatch 9-3 around town(ground effects and the better saab rims), its nice and its blue.
get the vette.
Quote"German bred racing car"
I would find that funny, if i didn't know that you actually mean that.
My car has super-car like 5 valves per cylinder.
My car has more valves than a Z06. :praise:
Well i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
QuoteWell i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
big deal, 3 more k. get it. :praise: you'll be happier than with probably anything else.
thats about 9K overall more than i was going to spend(which i barely have anyway).
I guess it depends on what i can get for a interest rate, maybe the payments wouldn't be that far off(i was looking at 400 a month).
Quotethats about 9K overall more than i was going to spend(which i barely have anyway).
Maybe the salesman was giving you a hint that they would sell it for 36k?
I'd still check it out if I were you. Couldn't hurt to at least tes drive it. :ph34r:
Someone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
QuoteQuotethats about 9K overall more than i was going to spend(which i barely have anyway).
Maybe the salesman was giving you a hint that they would sell it for 36k?
I'd still check it out if I were you. Couldn't hurt to at least tes drive it. :ph34r:
I'm sure i shouldn't discount it until i give her a spin :D .
The price does say reduced but you know how car dealers can be.
QuoteSomeone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
noo... a GTO has
5 less hp, and it weighs about 500 lbs more. Besides, people think it looks like a Cavalier.
QuoteSomeone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
And with that many miles you only have a little bit of warranty left. I didn't realize it was such high-mileage. I figured a Z06 would have been a weekend toy...
I agree with the GTO if it was me, but its not a sports car. <_<
QuoteQuoteSomeone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
noo... a GTO has 5 less hp, and it weighs about 500 lbs more. Besides, people think it looks like a Cavalier.
Thanks for clarifying :rolleyes:
QuoteSomeone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
I've kicked the GTO idea around.
However its alittle bigger(weight wise) and i don't care for 4 seats.
I really shouldn't discount it without driving it but i've never really liked heavier cars.(The ZO6 is around 3000-3100 i believe, the Z is 3,192, and i think GTO's are pushing 3800).
Go for the Vette.
If not, how bout the new Stang?
QuoteGo for the Vette.
If not, how bout the new Stang?
That's a thought. Get the MRT Paxton supercharger for another $5k, and you'll have a 470 hp, 3400lb Mustang for only about $31k.
QuoteQuoteGo for the Vette.
If not, how bout the new Stang?
That's a thought. Get the MRT Paxton supercharger for another $5k, and you'll have a 470 hp, 3400lb Mustang for only about $31k.
Yeeehaw!
QuoteQuoteQuoteGo for the Vette.
If not, how bout the new Stang?
That's a thought. Get the MRT Paxton supercharger for another $5k, and you'll have a 470 hp, 3400lb Mustang for only about $31k.
Yeeehaw!
:praise:
Go back to the dealership and tell the manager that the salesmen told you 36k, then tell them you won't pay anything above that.
As far as sports cars go, there is nothing like an NSX [IMO]. But I'm biased, since it's part of my dream garage.
QuoteThere is this sweet 2 door hatch 9-3 around town(ground effects and the better saab rims), its nice and its blue.
Yum Viggen
QuoteQuoteThere is this sweet 2 door hatch 9-3 around town(ground effects and the better saab rims), its nice and its blue.
Yum Viggen
Yum torque steer ;) :lol:
The mustang is indeed a nice car, but like the GTO its not really what i'm looking for. As for the salesman, i doubt that they would honor the 36k price, and as stated it does have some pretty high mileage.
Good suggestion 850, i too would love to own a NSX, but they are really expensive(even used) and for 30K i'd probobly be looking at a early 90's. Thats alot of money for a 10 year old Sports Car(and i would probobly get a older 911 turbo if i'm going to spend that kind of cash on a used sports car.
QuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
I'd go with the new Z. It's not a faster car, but it's smaller, more manageable, it's as practical or more, still fast and fun, and it's less of a cop magnet. I also tend to think it's more stylish than the Z06. I don't like the hardtop style Corvette, since you've got this drop and flat rear end.
If I were you, I'd take a loan for 30 grand and buy a 944 Turbo, an MR-2 Spyder (used), and something a little more practical, like a used Saab 900S.
QuoteThe mustang is indeed a nice car, but like the GTO its not really what i'm looking for. As for the salesman, i doubt that they would honor the 36k price, and as stated it does have some pretty high mileage.
Good suggestion 850, i too would love to own a NSX, but they are really expensive(even used) and for 30K i'd probobly be looking at a early 90's. Thats alot of money for a 10 year old Sports Car(and i would probobly get a older 911 turbo if i'm going to spend that kind of cash on a used sports car.
For under 30 grand, you're going to get an early 90s NSX, without the newer, more powerful 6 cylinder, that was introduced in 96 or 97. A better way to get mid engined handling and fun is the MR-2 Spyder. I might sound like a biased broken record, but with very little work, this sub 7 second car can become a sub 6 second car with still excellent handling. It's a cut rate Porsche Boxster, with a weak used market that is equated to low used prices.
QuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
I'd go with the new Z. It's not a faster car, but it's smaller, more manageable, it's as practical or more, still fast and fun, and it's less of a cop magnet. I also tend to think it's more stylish than the Z06. I don't like the hardtop style Corvette, since you've got this drop and flat rear end.
If I were you, I'd take a loan for 30 grand and buy a 944 Turbo, an MR-2 Spyder (used), and something a little more practical, like a used Saab 900S.
Actually, Corvettes are lighter than Z's...
QuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
I'd go with the new Z. It's not a faster car, but it's smaller, more manageable, it's as practical or more, still fast and fun, and it's less of a cop magnet. I also tend to think it's more stylish than the Z06. I don't like the hardtop style Corvette, since you've got this drop and flat rear end.
If I were you, I'd take a loan for 30 grand and buy a 944 Turbo, an MR-2 Spyder (used), and something a little more practical, like a used Saab 900S.
Actually, Corvettes are lighter than Z's...
When did I say it wasn't? I said the Z was smaller.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
I'd go with the new Z. It's not a faster car, but it's smaller, more manageable, it's as practical or more, still fast and fun, and it's less of a cop magnet. I also tend to think it's more stylish than the Z06. I don't like the hardtop style Corvette, since you've got this drop and flat rear end.
If I were you, I'd take a loan for 30 grand and buy a 944 Turbo, an MR-2 Spyder (used), and something a little more practical, like a used Saab 900S.
Actually, Corvettes are lighter than Z's...
When did I say it wasn't? I said the Z was smaller.
but wouldn't the vette be more manageable?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
I'd go with the new Z. It's not a faster car, but it's smaller, more manageable, it's as practical or more, still fast and fun, and it's less of a cop magnet. I also tend to think it's more stylish than the Z06. I don't like the hardtop style Corvette, since you've got this drop and flat rear end.
If I were you, I'd take a loan for 30 grand and buy a 944 Turbo, an MR-2 Spyder (used), and something a little more practical, like a used Saab 900S.
Actually, Corvettes are lighter than Z's...
When did I say it wasn't? I said the Z was smaller.
but wouldn't the vette be more manageable?
No, from all I've read, the 350Z is an easy car to drive fast. It's the fastest or the most rewarding, but it's quite manageable.
The Vette is supposedly more wild.
I'm pretty set on the Z, but my mind always wonders to other cars i'd love to own. At this point the Z does seem to be the best thing for the money(i want a new car if i can), that suits my tastes/needs.
Anything else that i want i end up spending the same and sacrificing a warranty and reliability(older sports cars, from any maker, will need some going through to be top notch).
I'd probobly be looking at a miata or sky if they made hardtop versions, i have 0 interest in a open top car.
QuoteI'm pretty set on the Z, but my mind always wonders to other cars i'd love to own. At this point the Z does seem to be the best thing for the money(i want a new car if i can), that suits my tastes/needs.
Anything else that i want i end up spending the same and sacrificing a warranty and reliability(older sports cars, from any maker, will need some going through to be top notch).
I'd probobly be looking at a miata or sky if they made hardtop versions, i have 0 interest in a open top car.
can i have your NX for free then?
NO.
I'm not getting rid of any of my other cars, maybe just the maxima.
I'm going to keep my NX for a "winter car", and i will never sell my 240 or my 83 Z(i have so little in them, i'm best off keeping them since i really like them).
Rag
I thought you were a RWD whore, why would you want my NX.
Its pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
QuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
QuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
I've heard some pretty rough stories about the Z3's suspension.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z.? Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty.? I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.?
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
I've heard some pretty rough stories about the Z3's suspension.
The roadster or the Coupe?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
I've heard some pretty rough stories about the Z3's suspension.
The roadster or the Coupe?
It's the same suspension, but mostly the roadster. I don't think I've ever read a review of the coupe.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z.? Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty.? I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.?
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
I've heard some pretty rough stories about the Z3's suspension.
The roadster or the Coupe?
It's the same suspension, but mostly the roadster. I don't think I've ever read a review of the coupe.
C/D had one, they said it was razar sharp. The Z3 suspension was a bit wobbly over bumps and all, but the M Coupe had a fixed roof, and was a much tighter all arounder.
QuoteRag
I thought you were a RWD whore, why would you want my NX.
Hey man, a free car is a free car. i can sell it to buy an MR-2. :praise:
"Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3."
Pff, like i would be looking at any other M coupe, the latest M3 motor is the one to have.
Rag,
I'll give you a free kick in the a** <_< :D
Quote"Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3."
Pff, like i would be looking at any other M coupe, the latest M3 motor is the one to have.
Rag,
I'll give you a free kick in the a** <_< :D
I have the same view on the Coupe :praise:
I hope I can find a nice one :)
This is a nice 2001 Coupe
(http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/16/184/417/1534551671.184417679.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg)
(http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/28/184/417/1566923837.184417679.IM1.07.565x421_A.562x421.jpg)
Its only going for 17K and it only has 25K miles. Its a steal if its in good condition.
Its black, thats perfect, where is that one at?
Anyway i've always thought of the M coupe as the best hatchback ever made. I'm a rally fan and some of the rally hatches are pretty sweet but that M Coupe is just sooo hot.
I like the Z3 coupe. I don't think you get it unless you're familiar with the classic MGB GT.
QuoteI like the Z3 coupe. I don't think you get it unless you're familiar with the classic MGB GT.
must be why i've never cared for its design ;)
QuoteIts black, thats perfect, where is that one at?
If the license plates are any indication, North Carolina. ;)
I would like to note that the car pictured is not a M Coupe, it is a Z3 Coupe with the 3.0l I6. This is the only M Coupe I could find within 300 miles of St. Paul:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=300 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186172778&dealer_id=49958952&car_year=1999&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=300&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=300)
Here are some from across the nation:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1005 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185233764&dealer_id=55761101&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&transmission=Manual&model=BMWMCOUPE&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1005)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1523 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186597362&dealer_id=56667877&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1523)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=922 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=183969261&dealer_id=56444394&car_year=2000&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=922)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=512 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187508802&dealer_id=56749416&car_year=1999&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=512)
Even if that car had been a real M Coupe I wouldn't have bought it. M Coupes are high risk cars, there would have been a reason that price is so low.
QuoteHere are some from across the nation:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1005 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185233764&dealer_id=55761101&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&transmission=Manual&model=BMWMCOUPE&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1005)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1523 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186597362&dealer_id=56667877&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1523)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=922 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=183969261&dealer_id=56444394&car_year=2000&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=922)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=512 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187508802&dealer_id=56749416&car_year=1999&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=512)
Even if that car had been a real M Coupe I wouldn't have bought it. M Coupes are high risk cars, there would have been a reason that price is so low.
I was wondering why the price was so low, its only 17K when the other ones are going for about 30K.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z.? Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty.? I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.?
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
Unless they changed the rear suspension in the M coupe, the rear suspension of the Z3 came from the E30 3 series of the 1980s. I distinctly remember reading C&D complain that the suspension was a bit choppy in the Z3 compared to the E36 3 series because it was using older architecture.
QuoteThis is a nice 2001 Coupe
(http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/16/184/417/1534551671.184417679.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg)
(http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/6/28/184/417/1566923837.184417679.IM1.07.565x421_A.562x421.jpg)
Its only going for 17K and it only has 25K miles. Its a steal if its in good condition.
That's not an M coupe, it's a Z3 3.0i coupe. It's got 215bhp, I believe.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts pretty cool that youre looking at a Z. Perhaps you should try to buy an M Coupe through BMW CPO, and thus you get a full warranty. I may very well buy an M Coupe myself in a year or so.
Just keep in mind that 2001+ model year vehicles had an engine transplant, and got the new 315hp I6 from the M3.
And off the record, I'd take an M coupe over a Z anyday :praise:
I don't know which car will handle better. The 350Z may be heavy at 3200lbs, but the M coupe has a suspension out of an E30 or E36 3 series. Weight might beat age.
It was an E36. And almost every review said the handling is razar sharp. It also weights less than a Z. Were not talking about big age here...the last M came out in 2002.
Unless they changed the rear suspension in the M coupe, the rear suspension of the Z3 came from the E30 3 series of the 1980s. I distinctly remember reading C&D complain that the suspension was a bit choppy in the Z3 compared to the E36 3 series because it was using older architecture.
That's what I thought I was remembering as well. I guess I did remember afterall.
QuoteQuoteHere are some from across the nation:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1005 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185233764&dealer_id=55761101&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&transmission=Manual&model=BMWMCOUPE&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=1005)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1523 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186597362&dealer_id=56667877&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=1523)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=922 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=183969261&dealer_id=56444394&car_year=2000&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=922)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=512 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187508802&dealer_id=56749416&car_year=1999&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=512)
Even if that car had been a real M Coupe I wouldn't have bought it. M Coupes are high risk cars, there would have been a reason that price is so low.
I was wondering why the price was so low, its only 17K when the other ones are going for about 30K.
Well, it's not hard to find an M coupe for under 15 grand, if you don't mind the 240bhp E36 engine. It's still bloody fast (0-60 in under 5 seconds, if I recall correctly) and you're getting arguably more car for the money.
I love the M coupe because it's a lot like a wagon. It's a super fast sports coupe with a hatch that doesn't look like it could destroy you, but
yes it can. I still want to pick one of these up someday.
Tim: What do you mean by a high risk car? For theft?
Perhaps he's referring to the risk of abuse.
QuotePerhaps he's referring to the risk of abuse.
Ahh. Anything that's under 60 grand and sporty would probably have some abuse to it--the M3, the M coupes, the C class AMGs, Corvettes and especially the STi, Evo, and SRT-4. But if you look at the demographics, the M coupe buyers tend to be older and more responsible (and less likely to do risky modifications to the car), and the Bimmer can handle a little abuse now and then.
QuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
That was only because you hadn't gotten to my "german racing car" comment yet though, to be fair.
QuoteQuotePerhaps he's referring to the risk of abuse.
Ahh. Anything that's under 60 grand and sporty would probably have some abuse to it--the M3, the M coupes, the C class AMGs, Corvettes and especially the STi, Evo, and SRT-4. But if you look at the demographics, the M coupe buyers tend to be older and more responsible (and less likely to do risky modifications to the car), and the Bimmer can handle a little abuse now and then.
I would probably consider the STi, Evo, and SRT-4 to be slightly higher risk than the M coupe but the M3, C-class AMGs, and Corvettes to be lower risk. Either way, if you find any car with a remarkably low price it is a good idea to stay away.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHere are some from across the nation:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1005 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185233764&dealer_id=55761101&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&transmission=Manual&model=BMWMCOUPE&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=1005)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...en&cardist=1523 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186597362&dealer_id=56667877&car_year=2002&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=1523)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=922 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=183969261&dealer_id=56444394&car_year=2000&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=922)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...=en&cardist=512 (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187508802&dealer_id=56749416&car_year=1999&search_type=both&make=BMW&model=BMWMCOUPE&transmission=Manual&distance=0&address=55101&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&first_record=1&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=0&engine=&doors=&fuel=〈=en&cardist=512)
Even if that car had been a real M Coupe I wouldn't have bought it. M Coupes are high risk cars, there would have been a reason that price is so low.
I was wondering why the price was so low, its only 17K when the other ones are going for about 30K.
Well, it's not hard to find an M coupe for under 15 grand, if you don't mind the 240bhp E36 engine. It's still bloody fast (0-60 in under 5 seconds, if I recall correctly) and you're getting arguably more car for the money.
I love the M coupe because it's a lot like a wagon. It's a super fast sports coupe with a hatch that doesn't look like it could destroy you, but yes it can. I still want to pick one of these up someday.
Tim: What do you mean by a high risk car? For theft?
The 240 hp M Coupe got to 60 in 5.3 seconds.
Its also the second most stolen car, I believe.
QuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
That was only because you hadn't gotten to my "german racing car" comment yet though, to be fair.
True. I didn't mean to be so rough on you though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
That was only because you hadn't gotten to my "german racing car" comment yet though, to be fair.
True. I didn't mean to be so rough on you though.
It was very hurtful, and it took me a good 2 hours before the tears in my eyes were clear enough to be able to type my response.
Thanks for the apology, I feel much better now.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
That was only because you hadn't gotten to my "german racing car" comment yet though, to be fair.
True. I didn't mean to be so rough on you though.
It was very hurtful, and it took me a good 2 hours before the tears in my eyes were clear enough to be able to type my response.
Thanks for the apology, I feel much better now.
so then why'd you reply a day later? :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA real man would get the Z06.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard today.
That was only because you hadn't gotten to my "german racing car" comment yet though, to be fair.
True. I didn't mean to be so rough on you though.
It was very hurtful, and it took me a good 2 hours before the tears in my eyes were clear enough to be able to type my response.
Thanks for the apology, I feel much better now.
so then why'd you reply a day later? :lol:
He's a slow typer.
QuoteQuoteSomeone probably beat the piss out of it for 25k miles. You can get a new GTO with equal power for a better price.
And with that many miles you only have a little bit of warranty left. I didn't realize it was such high-mileage. I figured a Z06 would have been a weekend toy...
I agree with the GTO if it was me, but its not a sports car. <_<
Neither is the Z or Z06.
:o
Here we go again. :rolleyes:
QuoteHere we go again. :rolleyes:
:D
QuoteQuoteHere we go again. :rolleyes:
:D
:lol:
QuoteWell i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
It's not an 04. It's an 02. Check the VIN. And their ad. B)
Which means you can buy them all day long on Ebay for low 30's. :praise:
QuoteQuoteWell i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
It's not an 04. It's an 02. Check the VIN. And their ad. B)
I had a feeling after i talked to the guy he was off alittle on the numbers(price, etc).
QuoteQuoteWell i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
It's not an 04. It's an 02. Check the VIN. And their ad. B)
Did the 02's have the 405hp or 385hp?
QuoteQuoteQuoteWell i found it on there website(i figured the price was wrong)
2004 Z06 (http://www.autouplinkusa.com/FindVehicle1.cfm?DealerId=5873&object=list&MAKE=Chevrolet&MODEL=Corvette&maxrows=12&MinYear=&MaxYear=2006&Type=U&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&STYLE=&ExtColor=&MaxMiles=&StockNo=)
It's not an 04. It's an 02. Check the VIN. And their ad. B)
Did the 02's have the 405hp or 385hp?
I think they were 405. I believe only the '01 had 385 HP.
Check this one out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevro...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-405HP_W0QQitemZ4567507842QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
QuoteCheck this one out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevro...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-405HP_W0QQitemZ4567507842QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Beautiful car :wub:
Don't give up on the M coupe.
thats what they wanted for the 02 locally. Either way i really don't have the extry 8-10K to jump upto a used Z06. I'd be more tempted if that difference was for New Vs New.
350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
Quotethats what they wanted for the 02 locally. Either way i really don't have the extry 8-10K to jump upto a used Z06. I'd be more tempted if that difference was for New Vs New.
If you bid on it instead of "buying it now" you could get it for under 30k.
Quote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
QuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
QuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
I'll have a more practical car by then, and I don't think I'll have enough green lying around for a 315bhp model.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
I'll have a more practical car by then, and I don't think I'll have enough green lying around for a 315bhp model.
I'm hopingn that in about three years, I'll be able to pick up a nice for 20-25k.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
I'll have a more practical car by then, and I don't think I'll have enough green lying around for a 315bhp model.
I'm hopingn that in about three years, I'll be able to pick up a nice for 20-25k.
I'm hoping in 1 or 2, I can pick up a 240 for under 12K. The roadster should be easier to find than the coupe, and the new M will be coming out by then, and I'll be able to dedicate the Roadster to racing.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
I'll have a more practical car by then, and I don't think I'll have enough green lying around for a 315bhp model.
I'm hopingn that in about three years, I'll be able to pick up a nice for 20-25k.
I'm hoping in 1 or 2, I can pick up a 240 for under 12K. The roadster should be easier to find than the coupe, and the new M will be coming out by then, and I'll be able to dedicate the Roadster to racing.
First of all, what happened to the Z4? And are you planning on buying two cars?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote350Z vs. M coupe....
The M coupe is better!
I agree :rockon:
I think I'm going to buy an M roadster with the 240bhp engine in a year or two.
Same here...but I'm going for the 315 hp engine from the M3.
I'll have a more practical car by then, and I don't think I'll have enough green lying around for a 315bhp model.
I'm hopingn that in about three years, I'll be able to pick up a nice for 20-25k.
I'm hoping in 1 or 2, I can pick up a 240 for under 12K. The roadster should be easier to find than the coupe, and the new M will be coming out by then, and I'll be able to dedicate the Roadster to racing.
First of all, what happened to the Z4? And are you planning on buying two cars?
No, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
QuoteCheck this one out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevro...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-405HP_W0QQitemZ4567507842QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Nice one TBR
5 min left on it TBR and no change in the bid.
It has ended with the winning bid being 27,100.
QuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
QuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
you'd get the 470 hp one, right?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
you'd get the 470 hp one, right?
Probably not. At that point, I'd be worried about too much boost, and 470 is far more than I need. The 420bhp blower is a good price with good power. Even then, I'd probably have to get better tires, and I'm definitely going to need to do some work in the suspension to get the handling up to where I'd want it. As good as the Mustang is, it's still a fixer-upper. I do care more about handling than straightline speed, but a Mustang that can smoke a C5 isn't a bad deal at all.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
you'd get the 470 hp one, right?
Probably not. At that point, I'd be worried about too much boost, and 470 is far more than I need. The 420bhp blower is a good price with good power. Even then, I'd probably have to get better tires, and I'm definitely going to need to do some work in the suspension to get the handling up to where I'd want it. As good as the Mustang is, it's still a fixer-upper. I do care more about handling than straightline speed, but a Mustang that can smoke a C5 isn't a bad deal at all.
poop. you'd have the ultimate sleeper though!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
you'd get the 470 hp one, right?
Probably not. At that point, I'd be worried about too much boost, and 470 is far more than I need. The 420bhp blower is a good price with good power. Even then, I'd probably have to get better tires, and I'm definitely going to need to do some work in the suspension to get the handling up to where I'd want it. As good as the Mustang is, it's still a fixer-upper. I do care more about handling than straightline speed, but a Mustang that can smoke a C5 isn't a bad deal at all.
poop. you'd have the ultimate sleeper though!
I can get that power other ways--intake, exhaust, headers, all the other stuff Mustang people do. My buddy had an 02 GT, so he knows what to do, who to buy from, and all that stuff. I do really like the rear and quarter window louvres, though I don't know how easy they would be to live with.
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
I guess its a matter of taste. Out the door price for a comparably equipped Mustang is only a couple grand cheaper than a GTO, and niether has the stuff you referenced from the G35. Like you said you can add an aftermarket SC to get a bit more power than the GTO (420 vs 400), but you're still down a gear and still riding on a beam axle.
A G35 coupe 6MT with no options (no 6-disc CD, no sunroof, no nav, etc) would still be about 1k more than a GTO. Adding the Premium package for around $3500 would add the sunroof, 6-disc CD (which the GTO already had), and some other niceties, but then you are talking about a car with a near 5k price difference and a 100 HP deficit, so its not surprising that it would have more features. This is actually a closer call for me than the Mustang vs GTO, and only some test drives could tell me for sure. The G35 has the power of the Stang, but the refinement of the GTO, and handling better than both. You pay extra and you lose some straight line speed vs the GTO, but my guess is I would probably end up choosing the G35 if it were up to me.
QuoteGood suggestion 850, i too would love to own a NSX, but they are really expensive(even used) and for 30K i'd probobly be looking at a early 90's. Thats alot of money for a 10 year old Sports Car(and i would probobly get a older 911 turbo if i'm going to spend that kind of cash on a used sports car.
That's true... But most of them have been cared for, and the difference between a 5-year-old one and a 10-year-old one is very little...
The NSX is just one of those cars that, to me, is like no other. The way that car can MOVE is simply unbelievable. And they're exotics.
I hope to own one in the future.
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The G35 coupe weighs nearly 3500 lbs.
Sports Car?
I don't think so.
The V8 GTO weighs only 200 lbs. more. The Mustang weighs 3300.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
I guess its a matter of taste. Out the door price for a comparably equipped Mustang is only a couple grand cheaper than a GTO, and niether has the stuff you referenced from the G35. Like you said you can add an aftermarket SC to get a bit more power than the GTO (420 vs 400), but you're still down a gear and still riding on a beam axle.
A G35 coupe 6MT with no options (no 6-disc CD, no sunroof, no nav, etc) would still be about 1k more than a GTO. Adding the Premium package for around $3500 would add the sunroof, 6-disc CD (which the GTO already had), and some other niceties, but then you are talking about a car with a near 5k price difference and a 100 HP deficit, so its not surprising that it would have more features. This is actually a closer call for me than the Mustang vs GTO, and only some test drives could tell me for sure. The G35 has the power of the Stang, but the refinement of the GTO, and handling better than both. You pay extra and you lose some straight line speed vs the GTO, but my guess is I would probably end up choosing the G35 if it were up to me.
In a lease, it all comes out in a wash--the G35 should have a better residual than the GTO and Mustang, the Mustang might actually be cheaper to finance. The BMW would probably be the cheapest of them all, either that or the RX-8. The Mustang does lose all those, yes, but the fact that I haven't had great service at any of the dealerships around here, and there is a very reputable Ford dealer near by (two, in fact) which means the Mustang might be a little easier to own. All three cars (Mustang, G35, GTO) are heavier than I want them to be, especially the GTO. The 350Z is a more entertaining ride than the GTO, if you ask me.
QuoteThe G35 coupe weighs nearly 3500 lbs.
Sports Car?
I don't think so.
The V8 GTO weighs only 200 lbs. more. The Mustang weighs 3300.
Not to mention it has two more seats than a sports car should and has a tin roof.
:D
QuoteQuoteThe G35 coupe weighs nearly 3500 lbs.
Sports Car?
I don't think so.
The V8 GTO weighs only 200 lbs. more. The Mustang weighs 3300.
Not to mention it has two more seats than a sports car should and has a tin roof.
:D
:D
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think I'm going to pass on the Z4, get something sporty and practical, like a 330i or RX-8 and get the M roadster later, after I've saved up some more money, as a second, dedicated car.
GTO and Mustang not in the running?
G35?
Mustang and G35 are in the running yes, but I've evaluated and re-evaluated the GTO and it costs too much for what I get. For example, the G35 isn't much more expensive, and comes with some of the creature comforts--luxuries, really--that the GTO is missing like a sunroof, heated seats, and available satnav, the Mustang is only a three thousand away from being a 420bhp firebreather via an MRT supercharger and has an interior that is 9/10s what the GTO's is.
you'd get the 470 hp one, right?
Probably not. At that point, I'd be worried about too much boost, and 470 is far more than I need. The 420bhp blower is a good price with good power. Even then, I'd probably have to get better tires, and I'm definitely going to need to do some work in the suspension to get the handling up to where I'd want it. As good as the Mustang is, it's still a fixer-upper. I do care more about handling than straightline speed, but a Mustang that can smoke a C5 isn't a bad deal at all.
poop. you'd have the ultimate sleeper though!
I don't think you realize just how much power 470bhp is. It's a ridiculous amount. Let me tell you something--driving a CLS500 with 302bhp to the limit can make a passenger beg for vomit bag. Driving a car with more than 400 brake is an amazing feeling, and the opportunities to drive a car like that to its full potential and becoming less and less available. 420 is more than enough.
QuoteThe G35 coupe weighs nearly 3500 lbs.
Sports Car?
I don't think so.
The V8 GTO weighs only 200 lbs. more. The Mustang weighs 3300.
I know we all have our preferences but surely we don't have to kid ourselves about vehicle weights.
Mustang GT Premium: 3450
G35 6MT (no premium package: ie sans sunroof): 3512
GTO (fully loaded): 3725
Weight difference from lightest to heaviest: 275 lbs
And considering the heaviest car has an extra gear, extra 100 HP, and an IRS for me the GTO justifies its weight admirably.
But like I said its all about the drive. if one person drives a Mustang and prefers it who can argue?
And I realize these aren't sports cars, was just curious about raza's opinions since he is apparently in the market for this type of car.
QuoteQuoteThe G35 coupe weighs nearly 3500 lbs.
Sports Car?
I don't think so.
The V8 GTO weighs only 200 lbs. more. The Mustang weighs 3300.
I know we all have our preferences but surely we don't have to kid ourselves about vehicle weights.
Mustang GT Premium: 3450
G35 6MT (no premium package: ie sans sunroof): 3512
GTO (fully loaded): 3725
Weight difference from lightest to heaviest: 275 lbs
And considering the heaviest car has an extra gear, extra 100 HP, and an IRS for me the GTO justifies its weight admirably.
But like I said its all about the drive. if one person drives a Mustang and prefers it who can argue?
And I realize these aren't sports cars, was just curious about raza's opinions since he is apparently in the market for this type of car.
The GTO is fairly impressive, but after putting my second GTO through its paces, I think the 350Z has higher limits, and is more fun to drive (due to its "low" weight). At some point, engineering gives way to physics. 3700 pounds is heavier than my E320. I can't deal with those scoops though, and I'm not paying sticker for it, no way. It may be faster than the Mustang, but it's also more expensive, and for very little the Mustang can be made quicker.
Still, these cars are on my list, but my "short list" has been narrowed to the RX-8 and 330i, in that order.
FBC, you test drive anything yet?
I haven't had the time(maybe this weekend) and there seems to be a shortage of Z's in my area(none of the 3 dealerships have any new coupes), one about 20 miles away has a couple 03/04 used coupes i might go look at(just to drive, i'm not looking for a used one but you never know, the price might be right).
I'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
QuoteI haven't had the time(maybe this weekend) and there seems to be a shortage of Z's in my area(none of the 3 dealerships have any new coupes), one about 20 miles away has a couple 03/04 used coupes i might go look at(just to drive, i'm not looking for a used one but you never know, the price might be right).
I'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You should get a Z exactly like the one in my sig. :praise:
QuoteI haven't had the time(maybe this weekend) and there seems to be a shortage of Z's in my area(none of the 3 dealerships have any new coupes), one about 20 miles away has a couple 03/04 used coupes i might go look at(just to drive, i'm not looking for a used one but you never know, the price might be right).
I'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You can always buy certified pre owned, get the warranty and all, and get a used car price.
I never liked the burnt orange color. But i am planing on getting a black Z with the bronze Nismo rims(close enough).
QuoteQuoteI haven't had the time(maybe this weekend) and there seems to be a shortage of Z's in my area(none of the 3 dealerships have any new coupes), one about 20 miles away has a couple 03/04 used coupes i might go look at(just to drive, i'm not looking for a used one but you never know, the price might be right).
I'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You can always buy certified pre owned, get the warranty and all, and get a used car price.
I know, i'm just worried about a proper break in. If i purchase a Z i will probobly keep it for a good 10 years(and expect to put alot of miles on it). I don't want to have tons of problems at 100-150K just because i wanted to save 3 grand and end up buying a Z that has been beaten for 15K and then dropped on a used car lot.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI haven't had the time(maybe this weekend) and there seems to be a shortage of Z's in my area(none of the 3 dealerships have any new coupes), one about 20 miles away has a couple 03/04 used coupes i might go look at(just to drive, i'm not looking for a used one but you never know, the price might be right).
I'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You can always buy certified pre owned, get the warranty and all, and get a used car price.
I know, i'm just worried about a proper break in. If i purchase a Z i will probobly keep it for a good 10 years(and expect to put alot of miles on it). I don't want to have tons of problems at 100-150K just because i wanted to save 3 grand and end up buying a Z that has been beaten for 15K and then dropped on a used car lot.
I certainly understand that sentiment. Its always better to buy new, ideally speaking.
QuoteI never liked the burnt orange color. But i am planing on getting a black Z with the bronze Nismo rims(close enough).
the same as the one in my sig?
QuoteQuoteI never liked the burnt orange color. But i am planing on getting a black Z with the bronze Nismo rims(close enough).
the same as the one in my sig?
no the one on your pizza. :rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteI never liked the burnt orange color. But i am planing on getting a black Z with the bronze Nismo rims(close enough).
the same as the one in my sig?
no the one on your pizza. :rolleyes:
:blink:
Screw the bronze NISMO rims. Buy HRE.
QuoteI'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You should look at a used S4, an Audi TT, and a brand new Jetta GLI! I know you have a secret yearning for VW's...
:ph34r:
QuoteQuoteI'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You should look at a used S4, an Audi TT, and a brand new Jetta GLI! I know you have a secret yearning for VW's...
:ph34r:
The TT, a fun car, pales in comparison to driving a 350Z. Unless your interior is more important to you than your driving experience.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You should look at a used S4, an Audi TT, and a brand new Jetta GLI! I know you have a secret yearning for VW's...
:ph34r:
The TT, a fun car, pales in comparison to driving a 350Z. Unless your interior is more important to you than your driving experience.
Well...isn't it?!?
That post was a joke BTW, I don't think FBC likes VW's. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm actually going to do some research this afternoon to make sure i'm not missing any other options in the ~30K range i'm looking at(i'm pretty sure i didn't miss anything, but i'll look around anyway).
You should look at a used S4, an Audi TT, and a brand new Jetta GLI! I know you have a secret yearning for VW's...
:ph34r:
The TT, a fun car, pales in comparison to driving a 350Z. Unless your interior is more important to you than your driving experience.
Well...isn't it?!?
That post was a joke BTW, I don't think FBC likes VW's. :lol:
I also dont think he does, in fact :D
Ah right. I forgot about the sense of humor of this board.
Actually about the only VW products i'm interested in are the S and moreso RS line from Audi. Other than that i personally don't think the other models are worth the premium in price, not to me atleast.
QuoteActually about the only VW products i'm interested in are the S and moreso RS line from Audi. Other than that i personally don't think the other models are worth the premium in price, not to me atleast.
The only thing about the TT is that it's a very emotional car. But the Z is a better choice.
I guess i don't know what you mean by emotional.
Its just a modified golf.
QuoteI guess i don't know what you mean by emotional.
Its just a modified golf.
After driving two of them very hard, they're fun cars that you want to own--they make you want to forgive their shortcomings.
I guess i just find that hard to believe, i've never driven a TT, but i have driven several golf's/gti's jetta's and passats(not really relavent). I just don't think i'd feel the same way, though we do have different priorities.
QuoteI guess i just find that hard to believe, i've never driven a TT, but i have driven several golf's/gti's jetta's and passats(not really relavent). I just don't think i'd feel the same way, though we do have different priorities.
Well, like I said, the Z is a better car--but after driving it, you notice tiny niggles that annoy you. The lack of a proper glovebox, the poor materials, weird visibility issues, they all become glaring problems. The TT makes you forget that it understeers, and you have to literally throw the car to get the back end out, you forget about the weird placement for the top release, the CD changer, you forget about how it doesn't quite drive as well as the Z.
yup some people view things differently.
I've heard several times about the glove box, doesn't matter to me since all i ever carry in a car is a CD wallet. Poor materials..sure but some of us realize that we aren't buying a luxury car, it may have poor materials compared to new luxury cars(or mainstream cars who's main focus is luxury, ex. camry). As for the visability thing, it is a sports car, which normally denotes style over function, i wouldn't expect it to have the visability of a maxima or anything, but i'm sure its not anything that would bother me.
I love the way 350Z/G35C's sound.
QuoteI love the way 350Z/G35C's sound.
Same here..the same goes for a the FX45...its like a whine...its a great sound.
QuoteI love the way 350Z/G35C's sound.
Aftermarket exhasts ruin it. :(
QuoteQuoteI love the way 350Z/G35C's sound.
Aftermarket exhasts ruin it. :(
I was wondering about that...
If I had one I'd want to replace them with something that flows better for more power, but I wouldn't want to give up the sound.
That's a shame. :(
I wonder how the NISMO cat-back unit would sound, i was thinking of getting that as one of the few options if i were to get a new Z.
QuoteI guess i just find that hard to believe, i've never driven a TT, but i have driven several golf's/gti's jetta's and passats(not really relavent). I just don't think i'd feel the same way, though we do have different priorities.
That's kind of like someone saying they've driven a Malibu so how could a Saab 9-3 Aero be any better?
The TT is based on the same chassis as the golf, its not a straight rebadge.
Your right, its not wise to make such statements.
But i'm sure the difference between a golf and a TT aren't as drastic as the difference between a GM midsizer and a SAAB.
Either way i wouldn't waste 30K on a psuedo FWD based semi-performance car, so i don't see what the arguement is.
didja buy the Z yet?
If i do buy a Z(its not set in stone) i will have to order a new 06 model, so i'm kinda waiting for nissan to get some 06's in so i can go check them out and find out more about what nissan offers for financing.
QuoteIf i do buy a Z(its not set in stone) i will have to order a new 06 model, so i'm kinda waiting for nissan to get some 06's in so i can go check them out and find out more about what nissan offers for financing.
why not get an '05 and get it cheaper?
Quoteyup some people view things differently.
I've heard several times about the glove box, doesn't matter to me since all i ever carry in a car is a CD wallet. Poor materials..sure but some of us realize that we aren't buying a luxury car, it may have poor materials compared to new luxury cars(or mainstream cars who's main focus is luxury, ex. camry). As for the visability thing, it is a sports car, which normally denotes style over function, i wouldn't expect it to have the visability of a maxima or anything, but i'm sure its not anything that would bother me.
I'm not one to point out material flaws in a said sports or GT car, but I'm just saying that the TT is a far more
charming automobile than the Z is.
QuoteQuoteIf i do buy a Z(its not set in stone) i will have to order a new 06 model, so i'm kinda waiting for nissan to get some 06's in so i can go check them out and find out more about what nissan offers for financing.
why not get an '05 and get it cheaper?
Availability. They may or may not have what he wants left, so if he wants to compromise he can save big, but if he doesn't, he has to wait.
the only 05's left in my area are verts and they want 30+K for them(which is not important since i wouldn't buy a vert Z to save my life).
More importantly the 06 has updated the only issues i had with the 05(model i was getting).
For 06 all manual Z's get the 300hp(i presume old Track model tune) motor, as well as 18's standard.
And for what i want i would be better off ordering it, there normally aren't many "lot" Z's that are under 30K(I built a enthusiest model, with just a few options, it comes out to 29K).
QuoteQuoteyup some people view things differently.
I've heard several times about the glove box, doesn't matter to me since all i ever carry in a car is a CD wallet. Poor materials..sure but some of us realize that we aren't buying a luxury car, it may have poor materials compared to new luxury cars(or mainstream cars who's main focus is luxury, ex. camry). As for the visability thing, it is a sports car, which normally denotes style over function, i wouldn't expect it to have the visability of a maxima or anything, but i'm sure its not anything that would bother me.
I'm not one to point out material flaws in a said sports or GT car, but I'm just saying that the TT is a far more charming automobile than the Z is.
Well i'll take your word for it(i'm kinda lost), and i don't really know what you mean by charming, but i don't see one thing that is "good" about the TT, let alone enough to make it better than a Z.
QuoteQuoteQuoteyup some people view things differently.
I've heard several times about the glove box, doesn't matter to me since all i ever carry in a car is a CD wallet. Poor materials..sure but some of us realize that we aren't buying a luxury car, it may have poor materials compared to new luxury cars(or mainstream cars who's main focus is luxury, ex. camry). As for the visability thing, it is a sports car, which normally denotes style over function, i wouldn't expect it to have the visability of a maxima or anything, but i'm sure its not anything that would bother me.
I'm not one to point out material flaws in a said sports or GT car, but I'm just saying that the TT is a far more charming automobile than the Z is.
Well i'll take your word for it(i'm kinda lost), and i don't really know what you mean by charming, but i don't see one thing that is "good" about the TT, let alone enough to make it better than a Z.
I am a firm believer that cars should have character and that is what makes enthusiasts want to own one instead of just drive one (it's also the only reason I drive a Volkswagen Passat 1.8T instead of a Honda Accord V6), and the character is something you actually have to drive to feel out. If an automobile doesn't have a personality, it might as well be a toaster. And the Audi TT has personality in droves, beginning with its artful exterior (even in convertible form, the lines are not destroyed so drastically), and when you drive it, it makes you feel so...good. It's ineffible really, just like the feeling of driving a W140 S class compared to a W220. There's no question which is the better car, but the other one just makes you feel so damn good. On a race track, the Z would destroy a TT, and yes, it will catch as many, if not more, stares at a stoplight. But when I drove the Z I just didn't get the same feeling as I did when I drove the TTs (I drove both a coupe and convertible). But, there's also no question as to which car I'd rather own--the Z.
Well i guess thats my problem(and why i'm not on the same page as you). I don't tend to give cars mystical qualities(not being a ass, i guess i'm just simple). To me a cars character is summed up by its performance(chassis, engine, transmission, etc), and styling, etc has little to do with it.
QuoteWell i guess thats my problem(and why i'm not on the same page as you). I don't tend to give cars mystical qualities(not being a ass, i guess i'm just simple). To me a cars character is summed up by its performance(chassis, engine, transmission, etc), and styling, etc has little to do with it.
I guess we are on different pages. Cars can never be numbers on a page to me.
I never said they were numbers, just simply that i don't find any unexplainable qualities in a car. If a car handles well has good turn in and feels great on the road i consider it to have a good chassis/chassis tuning, as opposed to bad. Like i said i'm just simple like that, i don't get some unexplainable feeling from a car. Any feeling i get is a result of a good car vs a bad car, once enough bad stacks up i generally don't like the car(i've had a few like that).
I guess its just hard for me to explain it.
QuoteI never said they were numbers, just simply that i don't find any unexplainable qualities in a car. If a car handles well has good turn in and feels great on the road i consider it to have a good chassis/chassis tuning, as opposed to bad. Like i said i'm just simple like that, i don't get some unexplainable feeling from a car. Any feeling i get is a result of a good car vs a bad car, once enough bad stacks up i generally don't like the car(i've had a few like that).
I guess its just hard for me to explain it.
I see where you're coming from, but I'm the type that would rather drive a Ferrari Dino instead of a Ferrari 430. I'd rather have a Miura than a Murcielago. An XKE instead of an XK8. It's all in the feeling, the inexplicable part of the car/human interaction that is baffling and beautiful at the same time.
Have you driven all those cars?
QuoteHave you driven all those cars?
Well, no. That's the point where all analogies break down, I suppose. But you get the point.
yup
Okay, I just had a go in the 05 350Z Touring Roadster.
Umm...buy one. You have my blessing.
haven't visited this thread in awhile, it sounds like you had fun raza.
I'm looking at a stripped(read no option, other than floor mats) enthusiast model. Its basically a base model with a LSD. I'm sure the roadster was a good ride(nissan claimed to have designed the car from the beginning intending it to be a roadster as well as a coupe). Structural ridgidity in the roadster should be almost as good as the coupe(though weight is probobly over 3300lbs). The enthusiast coupe weighs in at a hair under 3200(3197 to be exact, iirc; with floor mats it would probobly be a even 3200). So the benefit of having 100 or so less pounds might make it slightly(very slight, but i do like to keep an eye on weight) more responsive.
I'll probobly get a 06 model(bump to 300HP(basically the track tune motor) for all manual Z's and 18's stock). I can't wait, and i'm going nuts waiting for the 06's to come out.
The '06s are slower to 60mph that the previous model C&D found IIRC.
More hp but less torque, and the power curve is moved more towards the top now.
Don't get 'the roadster.
I'm not that concerned with the outright speed of it, though you are correct, the track tune(aka 300hp VQ) has modified internals(i think just a cam) that opens up the top end, at the loss of some bottom end. I'm not worried, I'm sure after the warranty expires i'll probobly be looking at a vortech unit.
I'm sure as hell not getting a roadster(i have verts).
Raza just drove one and said it was great, and i can only assume the coupe is better than the vert(as a general rule when it comes to chassis rigidity).
QuoteI'm sure as hell not getting a roadster(i have verts).
Raza just drove one and said it was great, and i can only assume the coupe is better than the vert(as a general rule when it comes to chassis rigidity).
The coupe I drove was all in all less entertaining and less fun than the roadster, and it didn't seem to handle as well. The roadster is more fun because it is a roadster (if you're in to that sort of thing, which I am), but another thing that attributed to it being a better drive than the coupe was that I drove a Base model--no LSD. I left a track in a parking lot because I revved it a bit high (the clutch has a higher catch than I was used to, but the overall gearbox is excellent), and no LSD and no TCS means I left some smoke behind as well. That salesman wasn't exactly thrilled with that...
They've also made some upgrades to the car since 2003, when did you drive the coupe?
QuoteThey've also made some upgrades to the car since 2003, when did you drive the coupe?
It was an 04 model, which is why I didn't understand the storage door complaint. They fixed it by then.
QuoteThe enthusiast coupe weighs in at a hair under 3200(3197 to be exact, iirc; with floor mats it would probobly be a even 3200).
I'm not 100% positive on this, but "curb weights" I think are dry weights, and not really representative of the car you will drive around. I think if you too your Z to an industrial scale you would find that it weighs alot more than 3200 lbs.
QuoteQuoteThe enthusiast coupe weighs in at a hair under 3200(3197 to be exact, iirc; with floor mats it would probobly be a even 3200).
I'm not 100% positive on this, but "curb weights" I think are dry weights, and not really representative of the car you will drive around. I think if you too your Z to an industrial scale you would find that it weighs alot more than 3200 lbs.
Curb weights, much like 0-60 times are mostly about bragging rights. The Elise will obviously never weigh under 2000 pounds when driven, unless the driver weighs less than 60 pounds. And I don't know of any 8 year old girls who drive Elises.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe enthusiast coupe weighs in at a hair under 3200(3197 to be exact, iirc; with floor mats it would probobly be a even 3200).
I'm not 100% positive on this, but "curb weights" I think are dry weights, and not really representative of the car you will drive around. I think if you too your Z to an industrial scale you would find that it weighs alot more than 3200 lbs.
Curb weights, much like 0-60 times are mostly about bragging rights. The Elise will obviously never weigh under 2000 pounds when driven, unless the driver weighs less than 60 pounds. And I don't know of any 8 year old girls who drive Elises.
Gary Coleman should be a race driver.
QuoteQuoteThe enthusiast coupe weighs in at a hair under 3200(3197 to be exact, iirc; with floor mats it would probobly be a even 3200).
I'm not 100% positive on this, but "curb weights" I think are dry weights, and not really representative of the car you will drive around. I think if you too your Z to an industrial scale you would find that it weighs alot more than 3200 lbs.
I'm aware of curb weights, but since it mostly a standard measurement, it is a mostly accurate number. I obviously don't expect it to weigh exactly how much nissan's website claims when i'm in it with a full tank of fuel.