They might as well cancel it
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-amg-c63-ditch-v8-hybrid-four-pot
Should be a NA V8 hybrid.
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Greta is tougher than most of her critics
"Mercedes-AMG will send a clear message that it is adapting to modern demands"
Who the fuck is buying an AMG Mercedes and thinking that, exactly?
Quote from: Submariner on October 17, 2019, 03:00:19 PM
"Mercedes-AMG will send a clear message that it is adapting to modern demands"
Who the fuck is buying an AMG Mercedes and thinking that, exactly?
This isn't about buyers. It's about sending a clear message... *takes deep breath, hopes not to trigger Wimmer*.... to EU regulators and environmentalists. This is not a fight they can win by dialing up the macho. I still think this is a step way too far though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2019, 03:25:19 PM
... *takes deep breath, hopes not to trigger Wimmer*....
:lol:
*winces in anticipation*
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2019, 03:25:19 PM
This isn't about buyers. It's about sending a clear message... *takes deep breath, hopes not to trigger Wimmer*.... to EU regulators and environmentalists. This is not a fight they can win by dialing up the macho. I still think this is a step way too far though.
Turbo fours sound awful, but performance gains have been insane over the past decade, in spite of fuel economy numbers going steadily up.
Quote from: Laconian on October 17, 2019, 04:08:53 PM
Turbo fours sound awful, but performance gains have been insane over the past decade, in spite of fuel economy numbers going steadily up.
To be fair though, the same could be said of V8s. The old C63 with the N/A 6.2L could only muster 15MPG combined. The new one is a good bit faster and is rated at 21MPG combined. So there's progress there. Swapping the turbos for a hybrid system would prob get that to like 25-26.
This was to be expected. Can't say I am surprised.
Mercedes has stopped the development of new internal combustion engines and like VW will focus on electrification. The next-generation C-Class and other MBs will be the last to feature internal combustion engines. After that it's EV-only.
Depressing. :cry:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 18, 2019, 08:18:59 AM
This was to be expected. Can't say I am surprised.
Mercedes has stopped the development of new internal combustion engines and like VW will focus on electrification. The next-generation C-Class and other MBs will be the last to feature internal combustion engines. After that it's EV-only.
Depressing. :cry:
This is what they claim, but I honestly don't believe it. All the EV promise from manufacturers doesn't line up with actual EV demand. And if autonomy becomes a thing all bets are off.
I am a little curious how well a hybrid drivetrain can supplement a massively boosted engine. It could do a good job of filling in the power bog before the engine goes on boost, the electrical equivalent of sequential turbos.
It will still sound bad though.
Quote from: Laconian on October 19, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
I am a little curious how well a hybrid drivetrain can supplement a massively boosted engine. It could do a good job of filling in the power bog before the engine goes on boost, the electrical equivalent of sequential turbos.
It will still sound bad though.
McLaren P1
I like the LaFerrari's application better. Why go through all that trouble.... just to end up with a muffled generic sounding turbo motor anyway.
I honestly think multiple catalytic converters and now particulate filters are more of an issue with sound then turbos. There are still some new and plenty of older turbo cars that sound great.
Quote from: r0tor on October 21, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
I honestly think multiple catalytic converters and now particulate filters are more of an issue with sound then turbos. There are still some new and plenty of older turbo cars that sound great.
There's a guy in our local SCCA club that swapped his BRZ mufflers for a track pipe and it didn't get any louder since it still has the cats and resonators.
Old turbo cars were tuned very differently. A lot of modern gas turbo engines are tuned like diesels, and by extension sound like them.
Turbos also kill any hope of a decent induction noise, unless you like hissing and chuffing.
I find hissing and chuffing charming actually
Quote from: r0tor on October 21, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
I find hissing and chuffing charming actually
I don't think you'll get Evo VIII rally noises on a M-B.
You can with the Todeshaus Stage 2 Popcorn And Lasers reflash with the HKS Staru Warzu Tai Fighteru BOV kit. Good for +10HP/+200TQ.
Quote from: Laconian on October 21, 2019, 12:17:40 PM
I don't think you'll get Evo VIII rally noises on a M-B.
That's one bitch I have at bmw M cars at the moment... Quit trying to make your turbo cars (synthetically) sound N/A. If it has a turbo I want to at least hear a woooosh and maybe an occasional psssshhht
BMW knows the truth
Vettel didn't say "bring back the fucking turbo 4 poppers"
Quote from: Laconian on October 21, 2019, 12:17:40 PM
I don't think you'll get Evo VIII rally noises on a M-B.
If you can get F1 noise on them ... who knows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=sBvu7lxtzYM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 21, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
BMW knows the truth
Vettel didn't say "bring back the fucking turbo 4 poppers"
Vettel is actually a greenie
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/46648/vettel-backs-hamilton-over-environmental-posts/
Quote from: r0tor on November 02, 2019, 07:28:21 PM
Vettel is actually a greenie
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/46648/vettel-backs-hamilton-over-environmental-posts/
This doesn't change what he or I said
For the record, F1 just overhauled its rules for 2021 and the teams requested keeping the current turbo hybrid powerplants
Of course, they already have their hand$ full with all the 2021 redevelopment work. Again, that doesn't change what was said