Was seriously debating on making a thread for this car, (given the crap you guys give me) but I'm too excited for it. It's my first car I've financed, and I had someone go over it and give it a clean bill of health.
2007 Toyota Yaris S with 5-speed manual, cruise control and everything. Pretty much equipped idencitally to my Focus.
Here's a quick rear pic at the dealer. I take delivery tomorrow.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/419145_2897734128974_1428997818_32351980_212145064_n.jpg)
I was able to get the price and payments actually well under where I wanted them. :rockon:
Before you ask and say OMG WHY A YARIS!!!11!!1!1!!!1111121???>?>???
All of the comparable Mazda 3's were more expensive, in worse shape with bad fuel economy.
Honda Fits don't exist in this price range. The Fit is a more expensive car. First generation models tend to be expensive with higher miles. They're rare, too. The nearest one to me was in Cincinnati.
The Versa is hard to find with a stick, and a stick with cruise is nigh impossible.
The xB was as bad as the Fit in terms of price, but there are more examples. They also never offered cruise, and I honestly do not know if I was going to put the extra $$$ for cruise installation.
The xA was hard to find, I found two; one guy didn't want to come to the price I wanted to be at. So I walked. The other guy (private seller) never called me back. It too does not have cruise.
The Fusion/Milan were bigger and more expensive to run when I did the math. I also was sort of protesting my parents by buying a "smaller" car.
The Jetta, I don't like the 2.5L, and reliability scares me. It doesn't look very easy to work on, and everything is bound to be expensive.
The Korean twins (Rio and Accent) I don't particularly care for (sorry nick) mostly because of the lack of space and lack of cruise.
Elantra uses a timing belt, an an interference design. The ones I were looking at were coming up on timing belt jobs, and that just seemed like Russian roulette.
Spectra is cheap and nasty inside. (nastier than the already kinda cheap Yaris)
I always found variety to be the spice of life, so I stayed away from another Focus. I also couldn't find one with the options I wanted.
It came down to the Yaris and a Matrix. The Matrix had a better ride and a hatchback, but it had 12K more miles and 3 years older for the same price.
So hopefully, I will not really have to worry about this car in regards to problems. I really like it, it's a nice little car. It should give me hopefully many smiling miles.
Hey, if you like driving it, that's all that really matters. Congrats, man. That's a big decision to finance a car at your age, so good luck in that endeavor. :cheers: :rockon:
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 13, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
Hey, if you like driving it, that's all that really matters. Congrats, man. That's a big decision to finance a car at your age, so good luck in that endeavor. :cheers: :rockon:
Meh, not really. The actual loan isn't even 5K.
Oh. Well. Whateva, then. At least you have a reliable car now so people don't have to give you advice! :lol:
Congratulations, dude. That's quite a decision to make at our age.
One thing I would like to know, though. Does it drive anywhere as well as your Focus did?
For what it's worth, it looks to be in good shape. Congrats.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 13, 2012, 07:31:25 PM
Congratulations, dude. That's quite a decision to make at our age.
One thing I would like to know, though. Does it drive anywhere as well as your Focus did?
The steering is far more dull, but the throttle response is far better. It also feels a bit more on it's feet with a quicker steering ratio and skinnier tires. I will miss the steering, that is for sure.
There are a lot of cheapo handling mods that people say transform and really make the car shine.
Congrats! Sounds like a nice car and hopefully won't be a nightmare like the Focus.
Congrats man, it looks nice. I have ridden in a yaris and think it is actually fun.
New car (or used but new to you) = excitement!
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 13, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Congrats man, it looks nice. I have ridden in a yaris and think it is actually fun.
New car (or used but new to you) = excitement!
I agree, it has it's flaws, but it's a nippy little car to drive. Still don't understand the hate for it....the Fit isn't THAT much better.
Sharp/Clean looking little car! Congratulations, I hope you enjoy it!
Congrats man. It's the one car that actually makes me angry. I hate the fucking Yaris. Congrats though.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 13, 2012, 07:34:50 PM
Congrats! Sounds like a nice car and hopefully won't be a nightmare like the Focus.
Thanks!
I've already got a buyer lined up for the Focus.
I'm honestly surprised I got the deal I did considering it's tax time.
Congrats. I forget that they make a Yaris 'S', but those rims and ground effects really sharpen up the car's styling.
And about us giving you crap on buying a new car -- at the end of the day, it's your money and your decision. No one on the internet will know what's best for you besides yourself. Enjoy the car.
And I'll be honest; I always have the tendency to go the next size/class up if I can get there for not much more $$$. I would've been tempted to get a Fusion if I were in your place.
Those rims are actually aftermarket, but they still look good.
I didn't know it was made in Japan. Cool stuff.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 13, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
I didn't know it was made in Japan. Cool stuff.
As much as Wimmer likes to discredit "reliability" and reputation, this was an ultra huge deciding factor for buying this car. This car is designed to hold up better than average.
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I think sedans can look hot.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/04-17-11%20Yaris%20Meet/DSC_0007.jpg)
(http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp171/muinstech/IMAG0087-1.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on March 13, 2012, 08:22:17 PM
As much as Wimmer likes to discredit "reliability" and reputation, this was an ultra huge deciding factor for buying this car. This car is designed to hold up better than average.
Yeah, I hear you. For some irrational reason, I like my cars made in Japan/Germany. I couldn't tell you why.
Quote
I think sedans can look hot.
Let's not get carried away.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 13, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
And I'll be honest; I always have the tendency to go the next size/class up if I can get there for not much more $$$. I would've been tempted to get a Fusion if I were in your place.
IIRC, it's about a 8-10 MPG difference. It also doesn't offer as much more interior space as you'd think. I'm big on efficiency...
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 13, 2012, 08:24:33 PM
Let's not get carried away.
LOL.
It'll last you a long time. Take good care of it.
But since it is so small, drive carefully.
Congrats!
This is the first sensible decision you've made.
Price and how many miles?
Congrats. But it's too bad you didn't get a Yaris hatch. The sedan is dumpy looking and just screams "Old Person". Buy hey, ANYTHING is better than that moneypit Focus you had! :ohyeah:
Quote from: mzziaz on March 14, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
Price and how many miles?
$6650 before tax and title, 69K
Original price was $8450 and I test drove it out of half-curiosity back in early Febuary. I made a move on it a month later, after the price dropped twice.
Quote from: Madman on March 14, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
Congrats. But it's too bad you didn't get a Yaris hatch. The sedan is dumpy looking and just screams "Old Person". Buy hey, ANYTHING is better than that moneypit Focus you had! :ohyeah:
Ah blah blah. The hatch isn't as well equipped, and the ride is worse. Also, a 5-door MT hatch would be at least 10K. And for 10K, I honestly don't think I would get a Yaris.
Thanks, though.
Quote from: Raza on March 14, 2012, 04:57:20 AM
This is the first sensible decision you've made.
Not sure if serious....
Slight bad news: dealer discovered alternator is bad; it's being replaced at their cost. I pick up the car on Friday.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 14, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
$6650 before tax and title, 69K
Not sure if serious....
Serious. You dumped a money pit for a decent car and not another pile. It was a good decision. The Yaris is fine, basic transportation that should be reliable for years to come. I wouldn't buy one myself, but I have no problem with it.
Congrats. Let's race.
RIP, Fucus.
Protip: don't let your bro touch it.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 13, 2012, 07:33:48 PM
The steering is far more dull, but the throttle response is far better. It also feels a bit more on it's feet with a quicker steering ratio and skinnier tires. I will miss the steering, that is for sure.
There are a lot of cheapo handling mods that people say transform and really make the car shine.
Just to be ridiculous, some car magazine put coilovers
and crazy tires on a Yaris just to get the magical 1.0 Geeee number on the skidpad.
Since it's a Toyota and shares many parts with many cars, present and past, the aftermarket options are great.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 14, 2012, 02:16:12 PM
Just to be ridiculous, some car magazine put coilovers
and crazy tires on a Yaris just to get the magical 1.0 Geeee number on the skidpad.
Since it's a Toyota and shares many parts with many cars, present and past, the aftermarket options are great.
It's not that hard to get there. The Yaris has a great chassis that's marred by the steering.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 14, 2012, 02:23:14 PM
It's not that hard to get there. The Yaris has a great chassis that's marred by the steering.
Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Yaris, but you can have a lot of fun with it.
Congrats! now don't start adding all those crazy mods that will make the thing just as unreliable as the Focus.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 14, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Congrats! now don't start adding all those crazy mods that will make the thing just as unreliable as the Focus.
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=544&Part_cat=2&parts_id=1119
:devil:
So what new car will you be looking at in 2 weeks?
I predict Rav4.
CONGRATS! :rockon:
But SILVER?!?!?!?!!! :nutty:
just kidding! my DD=
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4095/4819615372_4e33dfaf17_b.jpg)
Like they ^^^ said, don't go messing it up trying for teh p1mpz. Some tint will help in the summertime, don't go for Cheap aftermarket anything...
But overall, Congrats!
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 14, 2012, 07:41:25 PM
So what new car will you be looking at in 2 weeks?
I predict Rav4.
Screw you.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 14, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
CONGRATS! :rockon:
But SILVER?!?!?!?!!! :nutty:
just kidding! my DD=
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4095/4819615372_4e33dfaf17_b.jpg)
Like they ^^^ said, don't go messing it up trying for teh p1mpz. Some tint will help in the summertime, don't go for Cheap aftermarket anything...
But overall, Congrats!
It has a nice tint to it already, but thanks! The first real "mod" is to get the front clip-on "S" bodykit. It has the sides and rear, but not the front.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 14, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Congrats! now don't start adding all those crazy mods that will make the thing just as unreliable as the Focus.
The Focus was unreliable from day one....the failures (aside from the struts) were not mod related.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 14, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Yaris, but you can have a lot of fun with it.
LOL, why the hate?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 14, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=544&Part_cat=2&parts_id=1119
:devil:
:lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 14, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
It has the sides and rear, but not the front.
Eh?
Yeah, don't worry about justifying it to others. If it works for you that's all that counts. Enjoy it!
Quote from: GoCougs on March 15, 2012, 12:52:56 AM
Yeah, don't worry about justifying it to others. If it works for you that's all that counts. Enjoy it!
Thanks!
It seems like our family has inadvertently become a Toyota family. One brother has a new Camry and an 02 Corolla, another brother has an 06 Corolla. My other brother is seriously looking at a Prius.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 15, 2012, 06:37:20 AM
It seems like our family has inadvertently become a Toyota family. One brother has a new Camry and an 02 Corolla, another brother has an 06 Corolla. My other brother is seriously looking at a Prius.
Sounds like a fun family.......... :zzz:
:lol:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 15, 2012, 07:47:55 AM
Sounds like a fun family.......... :zzz:
:lol:
Ok, mister 1994 Corolla LE. :lol: :lol:
If it has the bumper from a regular Yaris, I'd take that as a sign that it may have been wrecked.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 15, 2012, 06:37:20 AM
Thanks!
It seems like our family has inadvertently become a Toyota family. One brother has a new Camry and an 02 Corolla, another brother has an 06 Corolla. My other brother is seriously looking at a Prius.
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH BIG CARS
Quote from: CJ on March 15, 2012, 08:49:58 AM
If it has the bumper from a regular Yaris, I'd take that as a sign that it may have been wrecked.
Already carfaxed, honey.
Quote from: Laconian on March 15, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH BIG CARS
The Corolla owner says his car is too small, and the Camry owner has no kids.
Took delivery today! Been driving all morning.
I like the seating position, and the engine is very willing and balanced. It's quite a bit quicker than my Focus. The shifter will take me some getting used to, the clutch take up point is very low, and quite sudden. It penalizes you if you're not paying attention. The Focus's clutch was more forgiving, and the engagement point was near the top, but then again that car's clutch was going out. Shifter itself isn't the greatest, though. Accurate, but a bit sloppy.
The central mounted speedo/tach is actually pretty natural. I'm not as keen on the digital gas gauge, though.
Handling is actually pretty nice. It's not as well mannered as the Focus, bit it grips solidly, if with a bit too much body roll. The quick steering ratio makes the wheel easy to turn and maneuver briskly. I will miss the Focus's awesome steering, though. Ride is better than the Focus, IMO even on Focus stock springs.
Overall, I like this car a lot. It should serve me well.
I think I need some transmission oil, it's recommended every 60K miles, and i'm going to assume that the previous owner never did this.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 15, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Already carfaxed, honey.
Doesn't matter. I looked at a "clean Carfax" Miata with no VINs on the front bodywork and paint overspray on the wiring. It probably got bonked in the front and got repaired without being reported to insurance.
I would look at the engine compartment and compare the color to the fenders to see if they all match up correctly. Also poke around the radiator support area and whatnot. Maybe the front bumper just got scraped badly since it has those ground effectz and he just replaced it with a normal one.
I already did all that!
It's been in a minor fender bender back in 2008. No airbag deployment and clear title. The bumper was not replaced with the correct one. Or actually, they neglected to install the lip kit. It literally holds on with double sided tape....
Quote from: 2o6 on March 16, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
It literally holds on with double sided tape....
Now THAT'S Toyota quality! :rolleyes:
:lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 16, 2012, 12:59:52 PM
Took delivery today! Been driving all morning.
I like the seating position, and the engine is very willing and balanced. It's quite a bit quicker than my Focus. The shifter will take me some getting used to, the clutch take up point is very low, and quite sudden. It penalizes you if you're not paying attention. The Focus's clutch was more forgiving, and the engagement point was near the top, but then again that car's clutch was going out. Shifter itself isn't the greatest, though. Accurate, but a bit sloppy.
The central mounted speedo/tach is actually pretty natural. I'm not as keen on the digital gas gauge, though.
Handling is actually pretty nice. It's not as well mannered as the Focus, bit it grips solidly, if with a bit too much body roll. The quick steering ratio makes the wheel easy to turn and maneuver briskly. I will miss the Focus's awesome steering, though. Ride is better than the Focus, IMO even on Focus stock springs.
Overall, I like this car a lot. It should serve me well.
Quicker steering ratios make the wheel harder to turn, not easier. More power steering boost makes the wheel easier to turn.
http://www.erzperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=OBXEXHAUST-54 u don't have a hatchback
http://www.erzperformance.com/AEM_Cold_Air_Induction_System_Toyota_Yaris_p/21-573.htm
http://www.erzperformance.com/Megan_Racing_Stainless_Steel_Headers_Toyota_Yaris_p/mr-ssh-ty07.htm
http://www.erzperformance.com/Tein_Toyota_Yaris_3Dr_2007_Basic_Coilover_Dampers_p/dsc10-luas2.htm
Turbo.
New struts with the no-top-nut mod for increased travel.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1686966#msg1686966 date=1332078315
Turbo.
There have been people who have turboed the 1NZ, but I gather it doesn't handle boost very well.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
There have been people who have turboed the 1NZ, but I gather it doesn't handle boost very well.
You can still get another 30 hp out of it with easy bolt-ons.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 18, 2012, 03:14:25 PM
You can still get another 30 hp out of it with easy bolt-ons.
I've read that, too.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 03:19:00 PM
I've read that, too.
My friend had an xB with m0dz. Pretty lame, but cool at the same time.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 18, 2012, 03:20:15 PM
My friend had an xB with m0dz. Pretty lame, but cool at the same time.
I like the xB, but the height ruins the handling.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 03:22:45 PM
I like the xB, but the height ruins the handling.
It blows around like a wind sock that fell off its stick.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 18, 2012, 03:24:52 PM
It blows around like a wind sock that fell off its stick.
Yeah. So?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 03:28:28 PM
Yeah. So?
I was just agreeing with you. GET OFF YOUR DAMN HIGH HORSE. :evildude:
So I found out this car does not have a rear swaybar.
Not real? Is it made of plastic or something?
Quote from: Rupert on March 18, 2012, 07:09:08 PM
Not real? Is it made of plastic or something?
No, it doesn't exist.
Oops, I can't read. I read "rear" as "real". :P
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 06:54:38 PM
So I found out this car does not have a rear swaybar.
It has a torsion beam, right? That is the sway bar.
Modz
http://shop.microimageonline.com/images/Yaris-badge-combo-kit.jpg
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 18, 2012, 07:57:29 PM
Modz
http://shop.microimageonline.com/images/Yaris-badge-combo-kit.jpg
I don't own a Vitz. I own a Belta.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 08:02:41 PM
I don't own a Vitz. I own a Belta.
Nobody freakin knows the difference.
Saw a red Yaris sedan today- with black 5-spoke rims, with a red stripe around the edge of them, almost like a really skinny red whitewall. looked tyte. It might have been lowered an inch, too.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
There have been people who have turboed the 1NZ, but I gather it doesn't handle boost very well.
Two turbos and a supercharger.
I still don't understand this thread's title.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 19, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Saw a red Yaris sedan today- with black 5-spoke rims, with a red stripe around the edge of them, almost like a really skinny red whitewall. looked tyte. It might have been lowered an inch, too.
When I see a modded Yaris or the like, I just have to wonder why.
Quote from: Raza on March 19, 2012, 07:21:14 PM
Two turbos and a supercharger.
Two supers and a turbocharger.
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 19, 2012, 07:28:53 PM
Two supers and a turbocharger.
Two Cup o' Soups and a turbo shot at Dunkin Donuts.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 19, 2012, 07:21:36 PM
I still don't understand this thread's title.
Vitzes are sold at Toyota Netz dealers. The tag line for Netz is "make the style". Granted, the Belta isn't sold at Netz dealers, but oh well.
Quote from: Raza on March 19, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
When I see a modded Yaris or the like, I just have to wonder why.
Cheap way to have fun. It's an agile little car.
Besides, you lust after the Twingo 133, who's base is smaller and just as mundane.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 19, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Besides, you lust after the Twingo 133, who's base is smaller and just as mundane.
I meant more along the lines of cosmetic mods.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1687994#msg1687994 date=1332209045
I meant more along the lines of cosmetic mods.
Oh, yeah. I suppose. I don't mind a neat little lip kit, or a mild lowering, but some guys go all out.
I need a swaybar....installation looks stupid simple.
Stupid simple.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14084
Quote from: Raza on March 19, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
When I see a modded Yaris or the like, I just have to wonder why.
Only mod was wheels- and sometimes you gotta ditch the hubcaps....
Quote from: 2o6 on March 19, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Vitzes are sold at Toyota Netz dealers. The tag line for Netz is "make the style". Granted, the Belta isn't sold at Netz dealers, but oh well.
Talk about your obscure references. You title your thread about a dealer network that 2 people in the USA have heard of that sells a car that isn't your car. :hammerhead:
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 20, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Talk about your obscure references. You title your thread about a dealer network that 2 people in the USA have heard of that sells a car that isn't your car. :hammerhead:
:lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 19, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Stupid simple.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14084
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/NCVCSignatureLaz2.jpg)
"stupid" definitely came to mind when browsing that forum.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 19, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Vitzes are sold at Toyota Netz dealers. The tag line for Netz is "make the style". Granted, the Belta isn't sold at Netz dealers, but oh well.
WTF is a Vitz? And WTF is a Toyota Netz dealer?
EDIT: Never mind I found out the Vitz is what it's called in Japan. We're not in Japan though. :nutty:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 02:37:48 PM
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/NCVCSignatureLaz2.jpg)
"stupid" definitely came to mind when browsing that forum.
ROFL
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 20, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Talk about your obscure references. You title your thread about a dealer network that 2 people in the USA have heard of that sells a car that isn't your car. :hammerhead:
:clap: +1
Quote from: SVT666 on March 20, 2012, 03:45:22 PM
WTF is a Vitz? And WTF is a Toyota Netz dealer?
EDIT: Never mind I found out the Vitz is what it's called in Japan. We're not in Japan though. :nutty:
Vitz is what the Yaris hatchback is called in Japan. The sedan is "Belta."
FWIW, Vitz is probably a better name than Yaris.
Vitz sounds like a vest made out of crackers.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Vitz sounds like a vest made out of crackers.
What does Yaris sound like?
I dont understand you guys sometimes. That Yaris looks pretty cool.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 04:44:44 PM
I dont understand you guys sometimes. That Yaris looks pretty cool.
This is why you are hopeless.
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 20, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Talk about your obscure references. You title your thread about a dealer network that 2 people in the USA have heard of that sells a car that isn't your car. :hammerhead:
It's not that obscure....Netz's tagline is on every ad of models that are sold there, and even go as far as different badging from other Toyota Models. I didn't realize the Belta wasn't a Netz Toyota until a few days ago.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 04:49:24 PM
This is why you are hopeless.
Some mods on it, I don't particularly care for, but for the most part I think it looks cool. Just because you like your stuff as stock as they come, don't hate me because I don't mind a little low and a little mods.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 04:49:24 PM
This is why you are hopeless.
I'll give him credit, that's a pretty cool looking Yaris. Seems fairly tastefully modded.
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 20, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
I'll give him credit, that's a pretty cool looking Yaris. Seems fairly tastefully modded.
I don't like the headlamps, but I think it looks hot.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/04-17-11%20Yaris%20Meet/DSC_0007.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/06-15-11%20Photoshoot/DSC_0022.jpg)
Now this Vios, that's too much.
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/jpaduadesigns/pitimini/stance/IMG_2200.jpg)
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 20, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
I'll give him credit, that's a pretty cool looking Yaris. Seems fairly tastefully modded.
YOUR GENERATION WILL DOOM ALL OF US
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
YOUR GENERATION WILL DOOM ALL OF US
Dude, you have the ugliest rims on your Miata, and the offset and width makes them look odd on the car. I'm just sayin. ;)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 20, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
YOUR GENERATION WILL DOOM ALL OF US
Probably.
And yeah, that last "Vios" is hideous.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 04:59:55 PM
I don't like the headlamps, but I think it looks hot.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/04-17-11%20Yaris%20Meet/DSC_0007.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/06-15-11%20Photoshoot/DSC_0022.jpg)
Now this Vios, that's too much.
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/jpaduadesigns/pitimini/stance/IMG_2200.jpg)
This what I was talking about when I said "What's the point?"
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
It's not that obscure....Netz's tagline is on every ad of models that are sold there, and even go as far as different badging from other Toyota Models. I didn't realize the Belta wasn't a Netz Toyota until a few days ago.
Honda used to do something similar by selling it's cars through three different sales networks in Japan: Verno, Clio and Primo. Why three different chains of dealers each selling their own unique models? Beats the hell out of me! Seems to me like it would cause a lot of confusion among consumers since the cars sold at all three dealers were badged as Hondas.
As if that weren't enough, Mazda had four sales channels in Japan. In addition to the Mazda brand, there was also Autozam, Efini and Eunos. There was also the stillborn Amati brand which was to have been Mazda's answer to Lexus and Infiniti, but the project was killed at the last minute. One car that was to have been sold as an Amati did make it to the US, badged as the Mazda Millenia. There was also the short-lived Xedos, an upmarket sub-brand sold through Mazda dealers in Europe.
For some inexplicable reason, Toyota still does this. Want to buy a new Toyota in Japan? Well, I hope you're not a fan of one-stop shopping! That's because if you want to see everything Toyota has to offer in Japan, you will have to visit no fewer than five different chains of dealers! First, there's the "Toyota Store". Sounds simple enough, but those only have some of Toyota's model range. If you want to see more, you'll also need to visit the "Toyopet Store". BTW, 2o6's "Belta" is actually a Toyopet. Then there's the "Toyota Corolla Store". No, they don't sell just only Corollas. They have lots of other models, too, including the comically named Ractis, Probox, Kluger (our Highlander) and the familiar dishwater dull Camry, plus many others. The "Netz Store" is the fourth dealer chain and used to be called the "Toyota Vista Store" and before that was known as the "Toyota Auto Store" Got all that? Last but not least is Lexus, and we all know what those are. Just to make things even more confusing, some models are sold through more than one dealer chain!
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!! MY HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After doing a bit of research, it seems 2o6's Belta is sold at both the Toyopet Store and the Toyota Corolla Store.
Damn, my head hurts now! :rage:
I bet it makes more sense for Japanese people. Have you seen their magazines before? Their brains are capable of processing what we perceive as clusterfucks.
(http://www.fantofan.jp/news/mag/tvmag/tvmag200704a.jpg) (http://ibigbang.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/6rkfti.jpg?w=584)
Desu~
Quote from: Laconian on March 20, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
I bet it makes more sense for Japanese people. Have you seen their magazines before? Their brains are capable of processing what we perceive as clusterfucks.
Yes, it's a well-established fact the Japanese are strange people.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_abeQimvg_6U/TIEdaWKHupI/AAAAAAAAC9c/6dkzoRgK7Ck/s1600/japan.jpg)
GM is just as bad..
Quote from: Raza on March 20, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
This what I was talking about when I said "What's the point?"
Why modify a Jetta?
Besides, the grey car is just the "S" bodykit with a different lip and nicer wheels.
I think I drive a lot more than I used to. I bought this car five days ago and I have already put on ~350 miles.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 08:17:37 PM
I think I drive a lot more than I used to. I bought this car five days ago and I have already put on ~350 miles.
New car that you really like does that to you. I got through break-in on the Wolfsburg in about a week--and this was before I had a 100+mile daily commute.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 08:17:37 PM
I think I drive a lot more than I used to. I bought this car five days ago and I have already put on ~350 miles.
I drove 450 miles my first day. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 20, 2012, 09:47:00 PM
I drove 450 miles my first day. :lol:
I suppose that is proportional to the awesomeness of your car.
I drove my VAN about 10 miles in the first week.
I drove my SVT Focus 1100 miles in the first 27 hours.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 19, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Vitzes are sold at Toyota Netz dealers. The tag line for Netz is "make the style". Granted, the Belta isn't sold at Netz dealers, but oh well.
What an obscure, stupid reference that hardly anybody cares about or understands.
I thought the title was a reference to some kind of Disney Channel/Cartoon Network show that came out well after my cartoon-watching days.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 20, 2012, 10:43:59 PM
What an obscure, stupid reference that hardly anybody cares about or understands.
Yeah. Whatever happened to simply, "I bought a Toyota Yaris"? The implied tone of the statement would certainly go well with the car.
Its not that big of a deal....
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 11:15:07 PM
Its not that big of a deal....
I know, I know. ;)
I thought it was clever. Even if you don't like the title, who the fuck cares?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 20, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
It's not that obscure....Netz's tagline is on every ad of models that are sold there, and even go as far as different badging from other Toyota Models. I didn't realize the Belta wasn't a Netz Toyota until a few days ago.
Actually, it is that obscure. It doesn't matter if their tagline is on every ad if nobody here has ever seen one of their ads. You are in a small minority of people who immerse yourself that deeply in foreign market cars. On the upside, thanks to this thread, there are now 10 people who know what a Netz dealer is.
Educating the world one obscure reference at a time!
Quote from: thecarnut on March 21, 2012, 12:03:54 AM
I thought it was clever. Even if you don't like the title, who the fuck cares?
I the fuck cares, gawdammmit.
Need a rimz for this thing.
The only Yaris I would ever consider is this one.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z272/numba1drummab01/list_vitz-f.jpg)
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 21, 2012, 08:23:34 AM
Actually, it is that obscure. It doesn't matter if their tagline is on every ad if nobody here has ever seen one of their ads. You are in a small minority of people who immerse yourself that deeply in foreign market cars. On the upside, thanks to this thread, there are now 10 people who know what a Netz dealer is.
Educating the world one obscure reference at a time!
Just because YOU don't know doesn't make it obscure. Keep your drivel out of my thread.
Quote from: 68_427 on March 21, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
The only Yaris I would ever consider is this one.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z272/numba1drummab01/list_vitz-f.jpg)
The new (previous gen) Vitz RS is quite interesting.
Better?
Fast fact; the Yaris has an auto-crank feature. Simply turn the key once and the starter will crank until completely started.
Quote from: Laconian on March 20, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
I bet it makes more sense for Japanese people. Have you seen their magazines before? Their brains are capable of processing what we perceive as clusterfucks.
(http://www.fantofan.jp/news/mag/tvmag/tvmag200704a.jpg) (http://ibigbang.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/6rkfti.jpg?w=584)
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)
That cover hurts my brain. All Japanese people that read that magazine may have ADD.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 22, 2012, 12:17:41 PM
Fast fact; the Yaris has an auto-crank feature. Simply turn the key once and the starter will crank until completely started.
Our 2005 2500HD has that too. It's also faster and handles better.
Quote from: Laconian on March 20, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
I bet it makes more sense for Japanese people. Have you seen their magazines before? Their brains are capable of processing what we perceive as clusterfucks.
(http://www.fantofan.jp/news/mag/tvmag/tvmag200704a.jpg) (http://ibigbang.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/6rkfti.jpg?w=584)
Our corporate newsletter isn't quite that bad, but it's similar.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 22, 2012, 12:17:41 PM
Fast fact; the Yaris has an auto-crank feature. Simply turn the key once and the starter will crank until completely started.
That's pretty cool, actually. I'm gonna have to start trying that in newer-model cars that I detail/drive over the summer.
Dodge can need up to a good half cup of gas to get started depending on how long I've let it sit.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
Our 2005 2500HD has that too. It's also faster and handles better.
Have you even driven one?
Another fast fact; when engine braking in gear, the motor actually has a fuel cut up to 1100 RPM while engine braking.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 22, 2012, 08:26:26 PM
Another fast fact; when engine braking in gear, the motor actually has a fuel cut up to 1100 RPM while engine braking.
Oh for fuck sakes, that goes for any fuel injected car made in the last 20 years plus.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 22, 2012, 09:25:28 PM
Oh for fuck sakes, that goes for any fuel injected car made in the last 20 years plus.
Fast fact: I didn't know that.
Fast fact: I farted!
Slow fact:
Oh
really
we
couldn't
tell.
:lol:
Fast fact: My power steering is electric.
POWER FACT: My power inverter can handle 350 jiggawattts!
Why did the title briefly say "Toyota! I farte!"?
Nick changed the subject of his post.
Quote from: Rupert on March 23, 2012, 01:37:03 AM
Nick changed the subject of his post.
oh, I never use the full reply screen
And I thought you were seriously considering a Maserati Biturbo! Shame on you! :nono:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 23, 2012, 11:04:17 AM
oh, I never use the full reply screen
Yeah, so much work.
penis
hehe the main page just showed the last word that you typed
was PENIS
What, you mean,
PENIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrPEj8ZgbY&feature=related
This forum is coded well for pranx.
lolz
Wat
I've driven the car about 500-550 miles now, and here's a general impression
- MPG is excellent; with two other people in the car at 65MPH I got 40MPG on the freeway. It's also far better in the city than the Focus was, too.
- Shifter issues (had a minor grinding issue when warm) have disappeared with a transmission oil change. The transmission itself is actually near the bottom of what I've used. It's passable, I guess.
- The ride is great! I drove a hatchback, and the shorter wheelbase and higher stance really do make a difference.
- Steering is actually pretty good. It's probably Toyota's best effort in this model generation, it's still far too light at lower speeds, but the assist backs off at higher speeds. Far better than a Honda Fit of the same vintage (which also uses electric steering) IMO.
- Body roll is more than the Focus, however, it seems to handle roughly the same as my old Focus. The Focus definitely did handle better, though.
- Cruise control operation is very smooth; when it accelerates, it does so in a very smooth fashion. Still not on the rocker switch. I prefer an actual button setup.
- I really like the gearing; I find myself using 2nd and 3rd a lot more, whereas the Focus seems like it was always a gear above.
- Central mounted gauge cluster takes some getting used to; at night there is a strange darkness directly in front of the driver that I STILL have not gotten used to.
- iPod input is incredibly handy. No more fooling with FM transmitters.
- Alternator issues; occasionally the battery light will stay on upon startup. However, the alternator is fine. The Toyota alternator has a tendency to corrode on the voltage regulator. It still charges, and the battery light ALWAYS goes off. It only comes on when it rains, which is odd. The dealer tried to install a re-manufactured alternator, but that actually made the situation worse (crap idle, and a very dim battery light). I had them install the old one, and if it fails I will replace it on my own dime.
- Air conditioning smells funny, but the cabin filter IIRC is supposed to be changed.
Overall, I'm very happy with this car.
Pet peeves
- Lights stay on after car shuts off.
- Sound system has poor midrange and lacks overall power.
- Vents have no not-blowing feature
- I miss keyless entry.
- There's no 5MPH auto locking feature.
- Trunk release is done rather cheaply; the trunk raises and lowers with little tension and feels rather cheap.
- Speedometer typography is somewhat hard to tell speed.
- Signal switches aren't sensitive enough
- wipers only have a few speeds
They haven't fixed the damn "battery light in the rain" issue yet? My uncle's '94 Camry had that problem almost 20 years ago!
Fast fact: The Toyota Vios is the best-selling car in the Philippines.
I feel that I should've already known that somehow, without stumbling upon it on the interwebs.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 27, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Fast fact: The Toyota Vios is the best-selling car in the Philippines.
I feel that I should've already known that somehow, without stumbling upon it on the interwebs.
Another fast fact, the basic model doesn't have airbags. Neither driver nor passenger.
Fast fact: The base JDM Toyota Belta is powered by a 1.0L 3-cylinder producing around 68HP....mated to a four-speed automatic.
That sounds painful.
That fact isn't really fast, is it? :tounge:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 27, 2012, 11:36:42 PM
That fact isn't really fast, is it? :tounge:
(http://cdn2.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/rimshot.jpg)
This thing needs some portholes on the fenders.
It could really use those cool portholes in the C pillars.
Spinners. Little tiny ones.
I'm thinking those little lowrider wheels.
Your car doesn't have a remote? I didn't think they made cars without keyless entry anymore.
They do -- they're called "economy cars." You should try a few sometime...
Oh, and with some, there's this thing that sticks out of the door that you have to turn to make the windows go up and down. Lord help your wrists.
Quote from: ifcar on March 28, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
They do -- they're called "economy cars." You should try a few sometime...
Oh, and with some, there's this thing that sticks out of the door that you have to turn to make the windows go up and down. Lord help your wrists.
I've used manual windows before. I used them this weekend. And that car didn't have a remote either. But it was a Uhaul truck....
And even my Mazda3 and Sentra had remotes. And power windows.
Quote from: ifcar on March 28, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
They do -- they're called "economy cars." You should try a few sometime...
Oh, and with some, there's this thing that sticks out of the door that you have to turn to make the windows go up and down. Lord help your wrists.
Lololololololol
The xA I looked at had keyless. However, I'd rather take cruise control over keyless entry. The Scions don't have cruise.
Urgh, yeah. Cruise control would definitely come over keyless entry. It boggles my mind that some cars still don't come with cruise control. I mean, I guess for smaller city-oriented cars (like the xA) it's slightly understandable, but still... :hammerhead:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1693775#msg1693775 date=1332945191
I've used manual windows before. I used them this weekend. And that car didn't have a remote either. But it was a Uhaul truck....
And even my Mazda3 and Sentra had remotes. And power windows.
My friend?s base Mazda3 doesn?t have keyless entry but it does have power windows, cruise, steering wheel radio controls, outside temperature gauge, and a Aux port. The lack of power locks is a really weird omission.
Quote from: Raza on March 28, 2012, 04:31:10 AM
Your car doesn't have a remote? I didn't think they made cars without keyless entry anymore.
Needless extravagance.
I didn't own power-anything until I bought the Explorer. Power windows and mirrors! It was also my first car with cruise and AC.
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 28, 2012, 08:27:27 PM
Needless extravagance.
The Saturn has a remote, but I don't use it. Too bulky when I put it in my pocket. Only time I'll use keyless entry is if the remote button are on the key itself.
Not a good angle
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/460726_2989736708981_1428997818_32393983_1752521390_o.jpg)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456541_2989777630004_1428997818_32394032_766338386_o.jpg)
I'll have to get better shots later.
Netz! Make the style!
1000 mile check in
- No problems whatsoever. Remember by this time, the Focus had broken rear springs and a dead parking brake.
- Digital gas gauge is annoying. It flashes when it gets down to the last bar, and then when it disappears, the car is on "reserve" fuel.
- The annoying grinds in the tranny went away after I got the tranny oil flushed.
- MPG is good
- I have not vmaxed it yet, only taken it up to 100MPH, which took all day. It's electronically limited to 115MPH. I can't say I've really tried hard enough, though. It defenitely pulls slower than the Focus did. The Focus still had a lot to give at 107MPH before the fuel cut comes in.
Fast fact, xA/xB and Yaris have the same gear ratios, but the final drive on the Yaris is significantly taller. (3.72:1 vs 4.3:1 for the Scion twins)
That explains the reason why the xA and xB were so buzzy (specifically xA) on the freeway.
Lame. I did 110 in the Accent today just trying to maintain lane etiquitte among the asinine assholes that drive around Chicagoland.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 09, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
Fast fact, xA/xB and Yaris have the same gear ratios, but the final drive on the Yaris is significantly taller. (3.72:1 vs 4.3:1 for the Scion twins)
That explains the reason why the xA and xB were so buzzy (specifically xA) on the freeway.
You mean 4.3:1 vs. 3.72:1 for the Scion twins.
Quote from: 93JC on April 09, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
You mean 4.3:1 vs. 3.72:1 for the Scion twins.
Drunk?
Quote from: 93JC on April 09, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
You mean 4.3:1 vs. 3.72:1 for the Scion twins.
Stop confusing me. It's late at night.
The Yaris is taller (3.72:1)
WTF. Oh man, I need to go to bed. Sorry. I have confused myself, let alone you.
Quote from: 93JC on April 09, 2012, 10:52:48 PM
WTF. Oh man, I need to go to bed. Sorry. I have confused myself, let alone you.
Why go to bed so early? Do you have to be to work in the morning?
My sister had an old Tercel I used to whip around. Slow as shit but I remember it fondly.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 04, 2012, 10:57:16 PM
Not a good angle
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/460726_2989736708981_1428997818_32393983_1752521390_o.jpg)
How come you didn't get the W220 Mercedes S-Class next to it? :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 10, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
How come you didn't get the W220 Mercedes S-Class next to it? :lol:
He needed his car to make it past the driveway of that dealership.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 10, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
He needed his car to make it past the driveway of that dealership.
Bah, enthusiasts, especially those concerned about H&H
TM, don't care about such trivialities.
Quote from: GoCougs on April 10, 2012, 12:26:50 PM
Bah, enthusiasts, especially those concerned about H&HTM, don't care about such trivialities.
Let us not forget, whether a car is running is subjective.
Quote from: ifcar on April 10, 2012, 12:27:36 PM
Let us not forget, whether a car is running is subjective.
(http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/th_laughing-smiley-007.gif)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 10, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
How come you didn't get the W220 Mercedes S-Class next to it? :lol:
What's wrong? Don't think a Yaris is powerful enough for him?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 10, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
How come you didn't get the W220 Mercedes S-Class next to it? :lol:
Because that S-class sucks and it was 4K more than I paid for the Yaris, with worse MPG and it's an older car.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Because that S-class sucks and it was 4K more than I paid for the Yaris, with worse MPG and it's an older car.
It's faster though. A lot faster.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1701291#msg1701291 date=1334087539
It's faster though. A lot faster.
That, I do agree with.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
That, I do agree with.
They were great cars when they were new. But they don't hold up that well. I'm telling my mom to sell hers because it's one repair away from costing us $5,000 to fix.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1701294#msg1701294 date=1334087690
They were great cars when they were new. But they don't hold up that well. I'm telling my mom to sell hers because it's one repair away from costing us $5,000 to fix.
That particular car on this lot looks like it had sagging airbags.
They still are having a hard time selling that Mazda CX-7 I drove out of curiosity back in November. It's not a bad car, but it's FWD.
So, I got my license plates today.
There's no spot for a front plate....
Ziptie it JDM style to your grill.
Drill, baby, drill.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 02:00:07 PM
There's no spot for a front plate....
Guess you can't put it on. Too bad. So sad.
Keep it in the glovebox or under the seat, don't worry about it unless a cop gives you grief.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Because that S-class sucks and it was 4K more than I paid for the Yaris, with worse MPG and it's an older car.
Fact: You can fit more girls into a W220 S-Class than a Yaris.
Sucks for you. :lol:
Big booty bitches ya heard?
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 02:00:07 PM
So, I got my license plates today.
There's no spot for a front plate....
I thought Ohio had stopped issuing front plates by now.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 09, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
I have not vmaxed it yet, only taken it up to 100MPH, which took all day. It's electronically limited to 115MPH. I can't say I've really tried hard enough, though. It defenitely pulls slower than the Focus did. The Focus still had a lot to give at 107MPH before the fuel cut comes in.
I hope you had the damn Snapshot crap unplugged......
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on April 10, 2012, 08:23:32 PM
I thought Ohio had stopped issuing front plates by now.
Sadly, no. I have two plates.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on April 10, 2012, 08:23:32 PM
I hope you had the damn Snapshot crap unplugged......
I took that crap out last week.
IIRC they said by the first of next year.....
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on April 10, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
IIRC they said by the first of next year.....
Maybe they're getting rid of old plate stock?
They might switch to one plate when they switch to these (Jan 1st of next year)
(http://esrati.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2011-Ohio-Plates-560x281.jpg)
I'm thinking of a personalized one for the G8.
V8G8
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
They might switch to one plate when they switch to these (Jan 1st of next year)
(http://esrati.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2011-Ohio-Plates-560x281.jpg)
Werewolves of London?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on April 10, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
I'm thinking of a personalized one for the G8.
It's too bad you aren't Cougs, for whom I'd love to suggest either STRWMAN or BETAMOV
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 15, 2012, 07:30:58 PM
It's too bad you aren't Cougs, for whom I'd love to suggest either STRWMAN or BETAMOV
:lol:
The dummy light "Maintenance Required" came on yesterday. I can't figure out how to get it off, and I've already got my oil changed.
Swing by a local Auto Zone, borrow their code reader, see what it is, erase it. $0.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 16, 2012, 05:51:10 PM
Swing by a local Auto Zone, borrow their code reader, see what it is, erase it. $0.
It's not a check engine light code.
Don't there be a Yaris forum with people that know these things?
Found it.
It's only for oil changes, and it only comes on based upon mileage. You're supposed to reset it after an oil change. I can't seem to figure out how, though.
This seems like an ingenious way to make money, though. I picture some idiot panicking when they see this light, running to the Toyota dealer and paying out the booty for a simple oil change.
Hold the trip reset button and turn the ignition switch to on. Hold it.... and there. Happy?
I would have been the dumb one running to the dealership.
And because I know how hard it is for you to follow simple instructions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3l_1quJSwQ&
Quote from: 2o6 on April 16, 2012, 05:58:32 PM
It's not a check engine light code.
Ohhhh, gotcha.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 16, 2012, 06:18:03 PM
I would have been the dumb one running to the dealership.
:tounge:
Fast Fact: If you have power locks, the car will not let you lock the doors if the car is off and the key is in the ignition.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 17, 2012, 09:42:45 PM
Fast Fact: If you have power locks, the car will not let you lock the doors if the car is off and the key is in the ignition.
Welcome to Toyota from at least 2000.
Another fast fact: The jack is under the front seats (Liftback, I haven't actually looked in my Sedan).
Slow fact: Yaris.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 17, 2012, 09:42:45 PM
Fast Fact: If you have power locks, the car will not let you lock the doors if the car is off and the key is in the ignition.
They still make cars without power locks?
Quote from: TurboDan on April 18, 2012, 10:33:43 AM
They still make cars without power locks?
My car (and the 2012 base NC) doesn't have them.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 17, 2012, 09:48:26 PM
Another fast fact: The jack is under the front seats (Liftback, I haven't actually looked in my Sedan).
Yeah, it's under my seat. Strange.
Quote from: TurboDan on April 18, 2012, 10:33:43 AM
They still make cars without power locks?
Are you that out of touch with cars under 30K? ;)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 17, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
Slow fact: Yaris.
Slower fact: Accent. :devil:
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
Yeah, it's under my seat. Strange.
Are you that out of touch with cars under 30K? ;)
Slower fact: Accent. :devil:
Faster than a yaris fact: Kenworth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytF5sFQv6g4
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 18, 2012, 12:16:52 PM
Time to settle it on the street!
I'll be towing the Accent with the VAN on my way to South Carolina next week. I can race it then. I can probably leave it hooked up to the VAN and be fine.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 18, 2012, 12:29:37 PM
I'll be towing the Accent with the VAN on my way to South Carolina next week. I can race it then. I can probably leave it hooked up to the VAN and be fine.
Ooh! If Kevin's parents still have their VAN, he can use it to race yours, with Yaris in tow as well. Or maybe do a Top Gear-style double-decker race.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 18, 2012, 12:47:11 PM
Ooh! If Kevin's parents still have their VAN, he can use it to race yours, with Yaris in tow as well. Or maybe do a Top Gear-style double-decker race.
Excellent
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
Are you that out of touch with cars under 30K? ;)
I didn't know either. And manual windows. And my last two cars have been under 30K.
I think what he meant was cars under, say, $16,000. My car's certainly well under $30,000 and it almost has power everything (I have manually-adjustable seats).
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
Are you that out of touch with cars under 30K? ;)
Cars under $30k are for poor people. It's understandable.
My car was under $30K.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 18, 2012, 12:29:37 PM
I'll be towing the Accent with the VAN on my way to South Carolina next week. I can race it then. I can probably leave it hooked up to the VAN and be fine.
Care to stop at Grattan along the way?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 18, 2012, 04:25:46 PM
Care to stop at Grattan along the way?
Is that a race track?
Oh, I see. Well, the thing is, I will be treating the Accent like a cargo trailer, so it won't exactly be track legal.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 18, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Is that a race track?
It's the most badass racetrack in the midwest.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 18, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
It's the most badass racetrack in the midwest.
I would go there every weekend for test n tunes, and Gingerman every other week. I would, but money doesn't grow on trees for me like it does for a lightbulb salesman.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
Are you that out of touch with cars under 30K? ;)
Didn't think I was. Almost all of my friends have cars under $30K and they all have power locks. Until like, four months ago, I drove a car that sold for under $30K (a 2004 model at that) and it had power locks. :huh:
I think every midsize car now has power windows and locks standard. Many, but not all, compacts and subcompacts do as well.
I think the last car I was in that had manual windows was a 1991 Buick Regal. I think it had power locks, though.
Quote from: Raza on April 20, 2012, 04:37:19 AM
I think the last car I was in that had manual windows was a 1991 Buick Regal. I think it had power locks, though.
Yeah, last manual window car I was in was a 1991 Mazda Protege.
My sister's 2005 Corolla has manual windows and manual locks. I actually don't mind the manual windows so much, because you don't need the key in the ignition to raise and lower the window. But manual locks on a 4-door can be an annoyance.
I think I'm going to order the front lip next check.
(http://images03.olx.com/ui/1/11/03/8000803_2.jpg)
It's only $100.
get moar mpg
Also, these stock tires suck. They don't grip well in the wet at all. It reminds me of the wheelspin I used to get with the Neon.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 28, 2012, 11:03:48 PM
Also, these stock tires suck. They don't grip well in the wet at all. It reminds me of the wheelspin I used to get with the Neon.
size
Quote from: 2o6 on April 28, 2012, 10:54:33 PM
I think I'm going to order the front lip next check.
It's only $100.
:facepalm:
Save your money you goof.
Quote from: 93JC on April 28, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
:facepalm:
Save your money you goof.
It matters to me, and it's super cheap.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 28, 2012, 11:12:28 PM
IIRC (I have to look and check)
185/60/R15.
205/55/15 Yokohama S. Drive's will fit perfectly.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 28, 2012, 11:18:31 PM
205/55/15 Yokohama S. Drive's will fit perfectly.
How well do they do in snow? And I need to keep it a Bridgestone/Firestone brand (generous family discount).
Quote from: 2o6 on April 28, 2012, 11:17:59 PM
It matters to me, and it's super cheap.
It's a waste of $100.
That that thing you want to buy is a waste of $100! For a guy who's juggling a couple jobs and school and who doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of money you sure seem enthusiastic about getting rid of what little money you have.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 28, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
How well do they do in snow? And I need to keep it a Bridgestone/Firestone brand (generous family discount).
S.Drive's are summer only.
The only Bridgestone/Firestone tire I can recommend that comes in close to your size is is a 195/60/15 Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid, and that might not be great in snow.
I have the sides and rear and not the front. It looks odd.
Quote from: 93JC on April 28, 2012, 11:25:06 PM
That that thing you want to buy is a waste of $100! For a guy who's juggling a couple jobs and school and who doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of money you sure seem enthusiastic about getting rid of what little money you have.
Let him. What's the point? He'll never listen anyway. Look at all the advice we've given Nick over the years, for example.
True enough. Trying to explain the stupidity of his spending habits to him is like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGdKzA6WHFQ
Where he's the cow, the train is 'life', and we're the driver saying "Ohhhh you dumb fucker..."
Why are you so offended?
I'm not offended.
Are you?
You give advice as if you really know the 100% of my situation.
Just leave me alone.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 18, 2012, 12:47:11 PM
Ooh! If Kevin's parents still have their VAN, he can use it to race yours, with Yaris in tow as well. Or maybe do a Top Gear-style double-decker race.
I was actually thinking about this, it seems like we're evenly matched. My Yaris IIRC is a tad bit lighter than his Accent, but our Econoline is a conversion van.
Hmmn.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 29, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
You give advice as if you really know the 100% of my situation.
You've mentioned financial hardship many times in the past. I imagine your situation hasn't changed substantially.
QuoteJust leave me alone.
Will do.
Quote from: 93JC on April 29, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
You've mentioned financial hardship many times in the past. I imagine your situation hasn't changed substantially.
Will do.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 29, 2012, 03:30:28 PM
Why are you so offended?
Quote from: 93JC on April 29, 2012, 03:35:27 PM
I'm not offended.
Are you?
Judging from the new ignore, it seems you are.
I don't really care, I find it to be pretty childish.
On the contrary, I've thrown you on ignore in order to leave you alone. If I don't read what you have to say then I won't have anything to say in return.
Since the thread is somewhat active, here's a 2500 mile check in.
- 3rd gear grind still comes in every now and again, but it's still almost unnoticeable. Most drivers probably wouldn't notice it. After getting the same phenomenon on a new Scion xD, I think it may just be a crappy feeling transmission.
- No problems whatsoever yet. No mechanical failures at all. (Let me shut up before something breaks :lol:)
- These tires suck. They still have good tread, so I have no reason to get rid of them yet, but they don't do very well in the wet. Lots of wheelspin when I try to move with any sort of verve.
- People keep complimenting me on the car. A lot of people I know drive Camrys, and they frequently comment and say it looks like a baby Camry. I've had a few people ride inside and comment on the amount of space. Who knew. I still think it's somewhat middle-of-the-road, stylistically.
- I have gone so far unnoticed by police for having no front plate.
- There is literally nothing else exciting I can say about this car. It has so far given me no trouble. Hopefully, it will stay that way.
If the tires suck in wet conditions, that's a perfect reason to get rid of them. The tires I had on my 940 when I bought it back (The same ones I put on it a year before I sold it, actually...) still had decent tread on them, but they weren't that great in the rain...so I got a set of Conti DWS.
Quote from: CJ on April 29, 2012, 04:18:55 PM
If the tires suck in wet conditions, that's a perfect reason to get rid of them. The tires I had on my 940 when I bought it back (The same ones I put on it a year before I sold it, actually...) still had decent tread on them, but they weren't that great in the rain...so I got a set of Conti DWS.
It's a little more than I'm willing to spend right now, and although I don't like them, they are just fine.
So get two for now, and two a little later.
Quote from: CJ on April 29, 2012, 04:21:06 PM
So get two for now, and two a little later.
Yet again, aside from maybe $100 for the front lip (even that isn't a 100% definite guarantee), too many other $$$ responsibilities to take care of.
It's not out of the question, though.
Should've gotten the hatch..
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/SAVdub/IMAG0726.jpg)
Looks awesome with Cooper S rims. :mask:
Quote from: 68_427 on April 29, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
Should've gotten the hatch..
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/SAVdub/IMAG0726.jpg)
Looks awesome with Cooper S rims. :mask:
Quit posting cars with other cars wheels.
And all hatches are basic models with no options. Very hard to find one with a stick.
Besides, the xA would have won.
It does look pretty nice on those Cooper S rimz.
Just as a quick search on Autotrader and CL (a few days ago) I think I really came out ahead in buying this car. The closest example I can find is a 2007 Yaris S with 30K more than my car, listing for around $1000 more than what my car listed at (and around $2500 more than I actually paid for my car).
The Fit has ballooned in price, as has the Scion twins.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 29, 2012, 07:47:07 PM
It does look pretty nice on those Cooper S rimz.
Stop giving me ideas.
The Cooper rimz look sweet.
Best mod ever: a fully plasti-dipped interior. Rich Corinthian latex.
Save the $ 100 until you have enough money to buy the car you really want to drive: the Maserati Biturbo. :wub:
Quote from: 2o6 on April 29, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
You give advice as if you really know the 100% of my situation.
Just leave me alone.
You're posting about a potential purchase on an internet forum. Don't throw a tantrum just because people say what you don't want to hear.
just get an ez lip off of ebay
Quote from: thecarnut on April 30, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
just get an ez lip off of ebay
I would rather keep it stock.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1711723#msg1711723 date=1335797485
You're posting about a potential purchase on an internet forum. Don't throw a tantrum just because people say what you don't want to hear.
I might spend 2.49 and buy a coffee from Starbucks.
Yes. Please, buy lots of Starbucks.
Quote from: Laconian on April 30, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Yes. Please, buy lots of Starbucks.
Ok, Teuton. :lol:
I used garden edging for the 'st33m's lip
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j128/ncasler/esteem/newapt003.jpg)
'st33m.
:'(
I miss the 'st33m.
I miss all the horsepower.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 30, 2012, 02:09:32 PM
I swear it was at least 95.
that's right, you had those magnetic flame decals
Quote from: 2o6 on April 30, 2012, 12:15:45 PM
I might spend 2.49 and buy a coffee from Starbucks.
Expensive. Go to Sheetz. Is that what you people have in Ohio?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=26978.msg1712060#msg1712060 date=1335836009
Expensive. Go to Sheetz. Is that what you people have in Ohio?
You don't know my finances. You don't know what I can and can't afford.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 30, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
You don't know my finances. You don't know what I can and can't afford.
What does that have to do with Sheetz? Answer me.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 30, 2012, 12:15:45 PM
I might spend 2.49 and buy a coffee from Starbucks.
You're living life in the fast lane! :ohyeah:
Sounds like the drive-through lane, to me.
I got a flat today. :cry:
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/472326_3281032311189_797019633_o.jpg)
While the wheel was off, I took a good look at the front suspension and braking hardware. Interesting; although it's pretty much the same design as my old Focus, everything appears to be much simpler and straightforward. And since I found out my car started it's life in California, rust is minimal.
I put a used tire on it for now. The other three are pretty mediocre, so I guess I have an excuse to get new tires.
So your car has all the extra smog crap?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on May 24, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
So your car has all the extra smog crap?
Haha, that was the first thing I was gonna say.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 24, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
I got a flat today. :cry:
That wouldn't have happened if you had gotten
RELIABLE TIRES. That means a Japanese brand, preferably Toyota or Lexus tires. What were your tires? Definitely European... :hammerhead:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on May 24, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
So your car has all the extra smog crap?
I don't think there's any difference between the regular model and the California model.
I got a flat yesterday and my tire is ruined. There is just one Dunlop Direzza DZ101 in my size in the entire country and it was shipped to my tire store today. Whew! I called every tire shop in the area and the only one could find one in their entire system could only find....well, one. $229 with tax. Fuck me. I paid $460 for all four of them in the US.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 24, 2012, 03:43:18 PM
I don't think there's any difference between the regular model and the California model.
Nearly all cars these days are designed to be 50-state compliant.
First problem: Gas leak.
I'm at the Toyota dealer right now getting it checked....it may just be a line.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 24, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/472326_3281032311189_797019633_o.jpg)
Holy crap, I just noticed this! Is that a gorgeous Ford LTD or Mercury Grand Marquis in the background behind all those tires? You should have gotten that beauty! :wub:
$832 dollars....
eek.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 26, 2012, 10:12:39 AM
$832 dollars....
eek.
When did you get this car? I'd check your state's warranty laws. In NJ, most cars are covered for 60 days/2K miles.
Quote from: TurboDan on May 26, 2012, 10:42:32 AM
When did you get this car? I'd check your state's warranty laws. In NJ, most cars are covered for 60 days/2K miles.
I got this car in march, and I bought it AS-IS. I'm at almost 6K miles, so there's not much I can do.
I'm just moreso inconvenienced more than anything. I don't have a choice; quick estimate shows it's around $500 for the tank itself.
$832? OUCH!
You need a whole new tank? Did you run over something?
Quote from: Madman on May 26, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
$832? OUCH!
You need a whole new tank? Did you run over something?
I think I may have, likely in my driveway. I ran over a branch in my car coming home from work two days ago. Didn't think anything of it.
Seems like they could just weld a patch on... Must have a coating or something on the inside.
Quote from: Rupert on May 26, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Seems like they could just weld a patch on... Must have a coating or something on the inside.
Must be made out of HDPE.
Welding a gas tank sounds like a great idea.
Well, you empty it first, duh. :lol:
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 26, 2012, 10:17:45 PM
Welding a gas tank sounds like a great idea.
Might be hard to get an arc on HPDE.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 26, 2012, 10:17:45 PM
Welding a gas tank sounds like a great idea.
Quote from: Rupert on May 26, 2012, 10:21:11 PM
Well, you empty it first, duh. :lol:
And THOROUGHLY flush it out, too. I had to have the tank on my Fiat X-1/9 welded, so I speak from experience.
Quote from: Rupert on May 26, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Seems like they could just weld a patch on... Must have a coating or something on the inside.
Toyota dealer told me there was a fiberglass patch already done on the tank. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the patch itself broke again.
And the tank itself I'm told is made of some sort of plastic composite.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 26, 2012, 11:01:32 PM
Toyota dealer told me there was a fiberglass patch already done on the tank. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the patch itself broke again.
And the tank itself I'm told is made of some sort of plastic composite.
Wow, that's weird. I'd check with prices at an indy before letting the stealership have at it, though. If it's not something electronic requiring dealership intervention, I don't bother with them.
Fiberglass fuel tank? Geez, I thought they were only on boats!
Quote from: TurboDan on May 26, 2012, 11:32:47 PM
Wow, that's weird. I'd check with prices at an indy before letting the stealership have at it, though. If it's not something electronic requiring dealership intervention, I don't bother with them.
Fiberglass fuel tank? Geez, I thought they were only on boats!
Already checked. Dealership is pretty much the best bet. No one expects a fuel tank to break on such a new car.
I'd rather just let the dealer have at it, and I know it'll be done right.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 26, 2012, 11:34:11 PM
Already checked. Dealership is pretty much the best bet. No one expects a fuel tank to break on such a new car.
I'd rather just let the dealer have at it, and I know it'll be done right.
Yeah, and they have an ironclad warranty. That just sucks, though dude. What a weird thing to have happen in a modern car!
Quote from: 2o6 on May 26, 2012, 11:01:32 PM
Toyota dealer told me there was a fiberglass patch already done on the tank. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the patch itself broke again.
And the tank itself I'm told is made of some sort of plastic composite.
Bummer, sounds like someone damaged the tank prior and did a bogus/homemade/independent shop repair on it. This begs the question - would a warranty cover a botched repair? My guess is not. 'Tis also a lesson on fixing things right the first time.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 27, 2012, 01:18:38 AM
Bummer, sounds like someone damaged the tank prior and did a bogus/homemade/independent shop repair on it. This begs the question - would a warranty cover a botched repair? My guess is not. 'Tis also a lesson on fixing things right the first time.
This is in NO WAY a justification for stealerships to rip off car owners. I know where you're going with this and it won't work.
Quote from: TurboDan on May 27, 2012, 01:22:40 AM
This is in NO WAY a justification for stealerships to rip off car owners. I know where you're going with this and it won't work.
Where was I going exactly?
That's what I was wondering. A botched repair wouldn't be covered under warranty, as it was not a factory defect. It may have originally been, but the customer essentially voids the warranty when they have a cheap, ineffective repair done.
Quote from: TurboDan on May 27, 2012, 01:22:40 AM
This is in NO WAY a justification for stealerships to rip off car owners. I know where you're going with this and it won't work.
The tank itself is over $500.
How's public transportation in your area? ;)
A) It sucks
B) Non-existent
Interestingly enough, I actually really miss my car. Not just the mobility, but I actually miss the way it feels on the road. Yeah, it's not the best, but it's a little bit more of a point-and-shoot car in city traffic than the Focus was. Just wish the springs weren't so soft.
Too bad it's no Accent.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 29, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
Too bad it's no Accent.
In all honesty, I wonder how our cars compare performance wise. They're near identical in terms of specs (Sedan DOES feel different to drive than the Hatch).
Quote from: 2o6 on May 29, 2012, 02:29:36 PM
In all honesty, I wonder how our cars compare performance wise. They're near identical in terms of specs (Sedan DOES feel different to drive than the Hatch).
Yours get better MpG, mine has rally car gearing.
Yaris finished ahead of Accent, but behind Rio. :devil:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2007-dodge-caliber-vs-honda-fit-and-five-more-hatchbacks-comparison-tests
How did this thread get to 12 pages?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 30, 2012, 09:59:10 AM
Yaris finished ahead of Accent, but behind Rio. :devil:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2007-dodge-caliber-vs-honda-fit-and-five-more-hatchbacks-comparison-tests
Quick read shows how off base their comparisons are.....the Yaris has a lot more room than the Accent and Rio, but they say the Rio is more fun to drive? (The steering is better).
The Fit is nice, but when I went to buy, they are retarded expensive.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 30, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Quick read shows how off base their comparisons are.....the Yaris has a lot more room than the Accent and Rio, but they say the Rio is more fun to drive? (The steering is better).
The Fit is nice, but when I went to buy, they are retarded expensive.
I'm assuming you don't have all three cars right there to compare, so I am going to assume that you are the one who is off base.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 30, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
I'm assuming you don't have all three cars right there to compare, so I am going to assume that you are the one who is off base.
I've driven all except the Versa and Reno. They call the Yaris a little cramped, but they talk little about the Korean twins or the Fit.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 30, 2012, 12:49:21 PM
I've driven all except the Versa and Reno. They call the Yaris a little cramped, but they talk little about the Korean twins or the Fit.
You can't possibly be implying that the Fit isn't ridiculously roomy.
Quote from: ifcar on May 30, 2012, 07:13:07 PM
You can't possibly be implying that the Fit isn't ridiculously roomy.
First generation, from what I observed when I drove one it's OK.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 30, 2012, 10:01:04 AM
How did this thread get to 12 pages?
My El Camino thread is only a page longer. Apparently Yarii are more interesting than my car.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 30, 2012, 11:09:40 PM
My El Camino thread is only a page longer. Apparently Yarii are more interesting than my car.
They're not.
Just as a recap from the Chat thread; I'm currently going around with the Toyota dealer. I honestly felt I got some of the worst customer service I have ever had.
Saturday - I notice the fuel leak, so I drive the car down to Summit Toyota/Scion of Akron. The original dealership used to be called "Montrose" and was recently bought out by a new company. I had gotten my car serviced there before (transmission fluid change) The guy says since the part isn't exactly expected to go out so soon, and the fact it's a national holiday my car won't be done until Wedensday. Oh well, I can't drive the car, so I'm forced to leave it.
I inquire about getting a loaner; I'm told I can't because I'm under 21. (??? What would have happened if I would have bought a new Toyota? Would I still have been left high and dry?)
The service tech says he can call Enterprise and do a "direct bill" purchase order where they can override the age limit and send me a car.
Guy calls Enterprise and says that this is correct, but given the fact it's a national holiday weekend, there are no cars able to rent. Understandable, I guess. I tell the guy I will come back Tuesday morning to get a new vehicle.
Tuesday - (Over the weekend, I called the call center and confirmed that there were cars coming back in Tuesday morning)
We try to get the rental setup and all of a sudden, I'm greeted with "Sorry sir, we can't do that." We can only do a purchase order if the car is an accident or insurance claim. I call corporate and try and fight/override this but to no avail. Toyota refuses to give me a car, despite me explaining the fact that I have to have a vehicle for my job.
I'm able to use the Econoline for my JJ's runs on Tuesday and Wedensday.
Wedensday - The part should be in for the car, and the car gets on the rack around 2PM ish. I get the car back around 5PM. I figure, aside from the loaner car issues, I can finally put this behind me; the car is fixed.
Or so I thought.
I'm happily maintining 60MPH with cruise control on, but then I notice the car seems to be decelerating. I think to myself, huh maybe I accidently canceled cruise control. I press the gas pedal, but NOTHING HAPPENS. The car comes to a complete stop on a freeway bridge with no shoulder. I'm stuck in the right lane, in a small car on a freeway bridge where traffic is going 60MPH or more. Yes, people are trying to move out the way. Yes, I'm terrified as heck.
I'm able to get the car started, and I literally pretty much leave the car at the service dept's door. The clerk and manager makes excuses saying "Well, service is gone. There's nothing we can do. Sorry, sir".
This morning, I get a call from the dealer miffed that my car is back. I told them it stalled and I get a reply of "Well, I don't know how that happened. Fuel tanks and stalling aren't really related issues". What a douche-y way of trying to throw the problem back on me.
They are able to replicate the issue.
They track it down to debris down in the fuel tank, I decide to let the loaner issue lie, but I did bring it up again since now this problem is their fault. Still no loaner, and I'm frustrated, because I wasn't 100% sure if I could even use the Van.
The service guy says "Yeah, it's a piece of dirt caught in the lines. It's not your fault or ours, but we aren't going to charge you for it." (WHAT!?) Don't act like you're doing me a favor by doing your job.
I tell the service guy that I feel like they are going out of their way to not help me. He replies with "Well, what can I do to make sure you don't feel this way" and I tell him that I want some sort of deduction from my bill; I don't feel like I got the service I paid for, and the repair literally put me in a life or death situation. When he tells me my car is ready, I mention the billing aspect and he pretty much flat out ignores it. He gives me an "invoice" for a "world-class car inspection - no charge" and a certificate for a "VIP carwash/detail" and says "Oh, sorry sir."
I don't even know how well the service was performed; I asked "Is there any more debris in the fuel system" and I get a reply of "It seems like it's running fine".
I'd contact Toyota corporate.
Quote from: TurboDan on May 31, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
I'd contact Toyota corporate.
I already did. I should be getting a response within 1-3 business days.
This is ridiculous.
Call the Service Manager at another Toyota dealership and tell him you would like the phone number for Toyota's regional service representative so you can rat-out his competitor for the lousy service you received. I'm sure he will be more than glad to give it to you! You'll often get a better response from the local service rep than you will calling the manufacturer's call centre.
Quote from: Madman on May 31, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
Call the Service Manager at another Toyota dealership and tell him you would like the phone number for Toyota's regional service representative so you can rat-out his competitor for the lousy service you received. I'm sure he will be more than glad to give it to you! You'll often get a better response from the local service rep than you will calling the manufacturer's call centre.
Huh, that's a really good idea. I will have to do that tomorrow.
LOL!
Just make sure they aren't owned by the same rich ass douche bag.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 31, 2012, 01:42:45 PM
Just make sure they aren't owned by the same rich ass douche bag.
Good point!
Debris in a brand new tank?
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 31, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
Debris in a brand new tank?
Thats what I was thinking.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 31, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
Debris in a brand new tank?
I suppose it's plausible. I'm just not thrilled about the fact that I feel like they are doing me a favor by doing their job.
My car sat for three days running out fuel. Good thing no one flicked any cigarettes. They handed me the car back with virtually no gas.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 31, 2012, 08:10:57 PM
I suppose it's plausible.
How would it have gotten in there, though? Out of all the cars my family has owned going back to when I was a little kid, I've never heard of one having "debris" in the fuel tank. Did someone throw a bag of mulch in there or something? How does that even HAPPEN?
Quote from: TurboDan on June 01, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
How would it have gotten in there, though? Out of all the cars my family has owned going back to when I was a little kid, I've never heard of one having "debris" in the fuel tank. Did someone throw a bag of mulch in there or something? How does that even HAPPEN?
I've had one Cadillac where the tank apparently had a lot of dead leaves in it.
Of course, that was a thirty year old car and there was no gas cap when I bought it, and it was the old style filler tube that hid behind the license plate- and there was no license plate holder either.
So yeah, WTF?
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 30, 2012, 11:09:40 PM
My El Camino thread is only a page longer. Apparently Yarii are more interesting than my car.
Trust me: this is not the case.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 01, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
How would it have gotten in there, though? Out of all the cars my family has owned going back to when I was a little kid, I've never heard of one having "debris" in the fuel tank. Did someone throw a bag of mulch in there or something? How does that even HAPPEN?
Maybe they didn't feel like ordering a new tank, so they just sealed up the shop trash can and stuck it in the car.
Car overheated. (red light came on)
one of two things.
- Coolent temp sensor (car showed no signs of a failed water pump, no coolent everywhere no boiling coolent, car runs fine
- Water pump; a known failure on early cars. Luckily the pump is accessory belt driven and the part is dirt cheap. Should be a cheap fix.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 08, 2012, 02:58:42 PM
- Water pump; a known failure on early cars. Luckily the pump is accessory belt driven and the part is dirt cheap. Should be a cheap fix.
Installing it might be the expensive part, depending on what they have to do.
Quote from: Galaxy on June 08, 2012, 03:21:46 PM
Installing it might be the expensive part, depending on what they have to do.
The accessory belt comes off in literally minutes. I watched the tech do the alternator when I first got the car.
Depending on what the dealer says I may have an Indie shop look at it.
Because that always works great for you.
Your last car and this one remind me of my Saab days. I've never heard of so many constant car issues before.
Start it and let it warm up. If the temperature creeps up without the fan kicking on, it's the sensor. If the fan kicks on and the temp keeps climbing, it's the water pump or a stuck thermostat.
Or just take it to some idiot who will randomly drill holes and throw muriatic acid in the washer bottle and god knows what else.
I don't have a temperature gauge, I only have two idiot lights; one that says the car is cold, another that says the car is hot.
I drove it home from work, no issues. When I drove it to work, it didn't flash red until I got there.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 08, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Your last car and this one remind me of my Saab days. I've never heard of so many constant car issues before.
Gas tank was really a freak accident, no one had anyway of knowing that would happen. And the water pump I knew would I would possibly be coming upon soon.
I'm taking it to the Toyota dealer and see what they say.
Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever heard the fan come on when I was letting it idle or drive.
Rev the crap out of it in your driveway and see if the fan comes on. Preferably on a hot day.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 08, 2012, 08:28:28 PM
Rev the crap out of it in your driveway and see if the fan comes on. Preferably on a hot day.
Do you have anything to add?
Anyways, I let it idle for 10 minutes (car was already fairly warm) and the fan never turned on.
Mine is pink.
ur radiater is clugged tharmastot stuk faan relaey bad dolan pls.
Unfortunately, the price for scrap iron is down.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 08, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
I don't have a temperature gauge, I only have two idiot lights; one that says the car is cold, another that says the car is hot.
Do the AutoZone code readers also capture other information from a car's computer? Maybe that could track the change in engine temperature.
You can get a $60 Ultragauge that plugs into the OBD2 port and can display all the actual data.
But you don't need that to diagnose this. Check the fan fuse and relay.
For sake fucks you don't need a gauge. If the light turns on and the fan never turns on, you have a bad sensor. Gauge, light, mouse fart, whatever trips when it's hot.
Yeah, I think it might be a bad sensor, but to be safe I'm still going to have the dealer check it out.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 08, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
Do you have anything to add?
Obviously. If the fan didn't turn on and neither did the light, you're doing it wrong. One of them needs to turn on for you to learn anything about the problem. Hold the engine at a few thousand rpm until then. Idling for 10 minutes won't do anything. Some cars take more than that to warm up.
Got it back from the Toyota dealer
Fan relay and motor died.
Cost of replacement? Nearly $1000.
Screw that, I'm going to an indie shop.
You know what I don't understand? They say the parts are ungodly expensive and special ordered because the part is so "specialized" but I found a new fan and fan relay for around $100 combined.
Got a quick quote from a mechanic I trust (did the Cv axles on the Focus)
Around 200 to fix.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 08, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
Unfortunately, the price for scrap iron is down.
:lol: $1000 for this repair is just crazy! $100 is not bad but depending on how hard it is to access the fan I'd buy the part on Ebay and install it my damn self.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 07:49:35 AM
Got it back from the Toyota dealer
Fan relay and motor died.
Cost of replacement? Nearly $1000.
Screw that, I'm going to an indie shop.
It sounds like they don't want to fix it for you. That price isn't even close to reasonable.
They would be charging me for litrally every piece of the fan assembly and charging me to assemble it.
The indie shop told me around $200 to fix.
If it's $200, that means it's an easy job you could probably do yourself.
Stealerships are getting more and more brazen as of late, it seems. I called a local LR dealer for a quote on installing the "official" LR tow package on my LR2. The quote: $1,400. Indie mechanic (who used to work at the same LR dealership and is an LR master tech): told me to find the best deal I could on an aftermarket hitch and electric converter and he'd install it for $150. ;)
A $120 Hidden Hitch and $60 taillight converter later, and I'm ready to go. :ohyeah:
The thing that annoyed me most was the price difference between LR dealerships. One dealer told me it would take five hours of labor since my car is a "very advanced vehicle" :rolleyes: and needed to be "totally rewired." Another dealership told me, "yeah, no problem, there's a port for the trailer electrics right in the trunk, it'll take about an hour and a half."
Still, LR's official electrical converter was a $400 part and the hitch itself a $575 part. Plus install labor. Yeah, right. :nutty:
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 09, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
If it's $200, that means it's an easy job you could probably do yourself.
I might. It's just the relay and likely motor.
if the fan isn't turning because the motor is burnt out, why would they charge me for the blades, bearing, shroud and assorted? Unless the fan is totally mangled, that doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
OH WAT A FEELING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQDXs75Ulo
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
if the fan isn't turning because the motor is burnt out, why would they charge me for the blades, bearing, shroud and assorted?
Because a lot of people would just sign off on it without question...
I think you should sell this car.
If the motor and relay both went out, the motor must have shorted to ground internally and caused the relay to
overload and fail. The fuse is supposed to go before that, though. Therefore, I do
not trust this diagnosis. Test the motor by running jumper wires straight from the battery to the fan motor connector.
Junkyards have entire fan/shroud assemblies for cheap money, if you need it. Otherwise, the relay is about $10, an fuses just dirt cheap.
Oh, what a shitty feeling.
"Toyota: I love what you do for me. I hate what you do to my bank account balance."
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 09, 2012, 12:13:27 PM
I think you should sell this car.
Why? Although these problems are new, I'm still ahead from where I was at with the Focus. Fuel tank was really a freak accident from a botched repair, and the rad fan is just annoying. Since the car still runs fine I will continue to drive it until I get it fixed. I sense I have been driving like this for a little while.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 09, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
If the motor and relay both went out, the motor must have shorted to ground internally and caused the relay to
overload and fail. The fuse is supposed to go before that, though. Therefore, I do
not trust this diagnosis. Test the motor by running jumper wires straight from the battery to the fan motor connector.
Junkyards have entire fan/shroud assemblies for cheap money, if you need it. Otherwise, the relay is about $10, an fuses just dirt cheap.
Took the car to another mechanic and he pretty much disagreed with everything the dealer said; the relay itself is fine, as are the fuses. However, the motor is toast, and the fan itself has too much drag (worn out bearing?)
Rockauto shows the entire assembly online for $70.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 09, 2012, 12:03:05 PM
Because a lot of people would just sign off on it without question...
Yeah, they wouldn't give me an itemized cost until I asked. Which sucks. Here is their rundown:
32 Amp $17.46
Cooling fan $ 52.60
Cooling fan Relay $ 82.51 (it's actually only $30)
Shroud $118.21
Fan $101.33
Motor $206.90
Nut $ 14.46
Labor - $360.67
$954.35....plus tax. :wtf:
They're essentially charging for me for assembly for an entirely new fan, piece by piece. It's bull.
Quote from: Laconian on June 09, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
Oh, what a shitty feeling.
I'm more so enthralled by the crap service rather than the product itself. I'm still ahead from when I had the Focus.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 09, 2012, 12:51:33 PM
"Toyota: I love what you do for me. I hate what you do to my bank account balance."
I can't really be upset about the fuel tank.
I'd be furious if my gas tank got a hole in it. My car's 20 years old and the original gas tank looks excellent, with no indication of any wear at all. I've removed the tank to replace the fuel pump, and I thoroughly inspected it. There's no reason for the fuel tank on a 5 year old car to have been repaired at one point, and then replaced.
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
I'd be furious if my gas tank got a hole in it. My car's 20 years old and the original gas tank looks excellent, with no indication of any wear at all. I've removed the tank to replace the fuel pump, and I thoroughly inspected it. There's no reason for the fuel tank on a 5 year old car to have been repaired at one point, and then replaced.
He ran over a stick.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
Why? Although these problems are new, I'm still ahead from where I was at with the Focus. Fuel tank was really a freak accident from a botched repair, and the rad fan is just annoying. Since the car still runs fine I will continue to drive it until I get it fixed. I sense I have been driving like this for a little while.
Took the car to another mechanic and he pretty much disagreed with everything the dealer said; the relay itself is fine, as are the fuses. However, the motor is toast, and the fan itself has too much drag (worn out bearing?)
Rockauto shows the entire assembly online for $70.
Yeah, they wouldn't give me an itemized cost until I asked. Which sucks. Here is their rundown:
32 Amp $17.46
Cooling fan $ 52.60
Cooling fan Relay $ 82.51 (it's actually only $30)
Shroud $118.21
Fan $101.33
Motor $206.90
Nut $ 14.46
Labor - $360.67
$954.35....plus tax. :wtf:
They're essentially charging for me for assembly for an entirely new fan, piece by piece. It's bull.
I'm more so enthralled by the crap service rather than the product itself. I'm still ahead from when I had the Focus.
I can't really be upset about the fuel tank.
What a bunch of B.S.
Get that motor from Rock Auto and put it in. I bet you don't even have to remoce the radiator.
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
I'd be furious if my gas tank got a hole in it. My car's 20 years old and the original gas tank looks excellent, with no indication of any wear at all. I've removed the tank to replace the fuel pump, and I thoroughly inspected it. There's no reason for the fuel tank on a 5 year old car to have been repaired at one point, and then replaced.
Modern cars are hard to siphon. Most new thieves simply puncture the gas tank to steal fuel. Given the fact that the car isn't natively from OH (In fact, I think it was from LA last time I checked) I would not be surprised if this happened at one point in time. The tank broke at the patch.
Airbag light came on.
I don't know what to think right now.
Jesus wept, what a farce! Where's all that famous Toyota reliability I keep hearing about?
Did you ask the dealer why you needed a new shroud when yours isn't damaged? I would have (very loudly) demanded an explanation!
BTW, did you ever contact Toyota's district service rep about the shitty service you received on the fuel tank?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Airbag light came on.
I don't know what to think right now.
Either this is some weird version of trolling, or you definitely are the automotive equivalent of Submariner. :lol:
Quote from: Northlands on June 09, 2012, 09:18:30 PM
Either this is some weird version of trolling, or you definitely are the automotive equivalent of Submariner. :lol:
If I were trolling, I would be smiling. I am not smiling. I am not happy in the slightest.
Part of me wants to start over, most of me wants to stick it out; it's a nice car. Probably the nicest car I have ever owned.
Quote from: Madman on June 09, 2012, 08:44:01 PM
Jesus wept, what a farce! Where's all that famous Toyota reliability I keep hearing about?
It's right here. This car was 100% reliable. My brother put in a new driver's axle, but didn't do it properly, causing the differential to disintegrate.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383266_10150407450230756_1710762291_n.jpg)
How exactly do you improperly install a half shaft?
Quote from: SVT_Power on June 09, 2012, 09:34:20 PM
How exactly do you improperly install a half shaft?
My brother would find a way.
2o6, find someone to steal the car and then buy something else with the insurance money.
Or set it on fire.
As a theory from the chat thread, possible blown fuse or wrong fuse pulled? Mechanics have been doing diagnostic tests on my car all day, checking fuses and relays. Wondering if something is up as regards to that.
Yank off steering wheel + airbag, replace with Momo wheel?
IDK for sure.
I suppose if I were to get another car it would be now or never.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 09, 2012, 09:47:43 PM
Yank off steering wheel + airbag, replace with Momo wheel?
Yank off fan, replace with Momo wheel?
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 09, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
Yank off fan, replace with Momo wheel?
:nono:
He needs one of these:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CqZXA4AOL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
They oscillate, too!
I don't want to "pin this" on someone, but it seems awfully fishy for my airbag light to illuminate the same day I got diagnostic tests done on the car to check the fan motor.
Part of me hopes I just total out the car.
Why are you sitting around wondering? Check the fuses. It takes like a minute unless they've hidden the fusebox in some place where you have to get in the car upside-down to see it.
It's 1am. I'll check it in the morning.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
As a theory from the chat thread, possible blown fuse or wrong fuse pulled? Mechanics have been doing diagnostic tests on my car all day, checking fuses and relays. Wondering if something is up as regards to that.
If they've been pulling fuses and replacing them: here's what I would do.
Wait. The light might go off.
If the fuse was pulled while the car was started, the computer may have detected this as an airbag fault, which will now clear out after a few "drive cycles" ( a nebulous term that means different things to different cars.)
Did you buy this off a used-only car lot? They're notorious for flipping junk.
When I purchased My 1994 Corolla (180k) it didn't have this many issues.............
Just have the Yaris unfortunately stall on some rail road tracks. :mask:
That damn fuel line clogged up again!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 10, 2012, 12:17:15 AM
If they've been pulling fuses and replacing them: here's what I would do.
Wait. The light might go off.
If the fuse was pulled while the car was started, the computer may have detected this as an airbag fault, which will now clear out after a few "drive cycles" ( a nebulous term that mean
s different things to different cars.)
Airbag light went off then came back on again. Now it's back out.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 10, 2012, 12:52:39 AM
Did you buy this off a used-only car lot? They're notorious for flipping junk.
Who else is going to sell a cheap used car? New-car dealers typically quickly get rid of anything that's not fairly new or otherwise expensive, so that leaves used car dealers and private parties. A lot of those cars are problematic because, quite simply, a lot of cheap cars are cheap for a reason.
Wasn't your Focus cheap?
Quote from: ifcar on June 10, 2012, 11:24:22 AM
Who else is going to sell a cheap used car? New-car dealers typically quickly get rid of anything that's not fairly new or otherwise expensive, so that leaves used car dealers and private parties. A lot of those cars are problematic because, quite simply, a lot of cheap cars are cheap for a reason.
Just because they sell 'em doesn't mean you need to buy 'em.
Lots of new car dealers will have sub 100k mile compacts on their lots.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 10, 2012, 11:59:28 AM
Just because they sell 'em doesn't mean you need to buy 'em.
Lots of new car dealers will have sub 100k mile compacts on their lots.
I'm not sure how to take this statement....part of me understands where you're coming from, part of me wants to discredit your information; you're all pissy because your car is from Hertz and has some issues associated with a rental car.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 11:37:36 AM
Wasn't your Focus cheap?
My 2001 was dirt cheap but came with a one-year warranty; I wouldn't have gotten it without that, and sold it not long after that coverage expired.
My 2007 was a great price for the car's age -- $7,000, and they agreed to repair excess engine vibration and a loose rear seat for free -- but I can't say I would have been shocked if the car had acted up. I just the other day found some paperwork that had fallen behind the glovebox documenting $450 in ABS repairs from not long before it was traded in. Hell, even plenty of new cars have problems.
I didn't say that to mean that people shouldn't buy cheap cars, just that there's a risk associated with them that's not the fault of a dealer.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
I'm not sure how to take this statement....part of me understands where you're coming from, part of me wants to discredit your information; you're all pissy because your car is from Hertz and has some issues associated with a rental car.
Ha, ha! Misery loves looking for company!
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
I'm not sure how to take this statement....part of me understands where you're coming from, part of me wants to discredit your information; you're all pissy because your car is from Hertz and has some issues associated with a rental car.
And you're mad because yours keeps breaking.
Taking the car to get the codes checked tommorrow. Started the car, light on. Get down the street light goes off. Go a little farther, light back on. Likely when I start it again, light off.
Whatever the problem is, its intermittent.
Quote from: ifcar on June 10, 2012, 12:19:01 PM
My 2001 was dirt cheap but came with a one-year warranty; I wouldn't have gotten it without that, and sold it not long after that coverage expired.
My 2007 was a great price for the car's age -- $7,000, and they agreed to repair excess engine vibration and a loose rear seat for free -- but I can't say I would have been shocked if the car had acted up. I just the other day found some paperwork that had fallen behind the glovebox documenting $450 in ABS repairs from not long before it was traded in. Hell, even plenty of new cars have problems.
I didn't say that to mean that people shouldn't buy cheap cars, just that there's a risk associated with them that's not the fault of a dealer.
For some/many used-only dealers, they know exactly when their cars are junk - buying from body shops (i.e., quick turn flips) or the Russian mob or known lemons/problems. Most are fly-by-night shyster operations.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 10, 2012, 12:57:48 PM
For some/many used-only dealers, they know exactly when their cars are junk - buying from body shops (i.e., quick turn flips) or the Russian mob or known lemons/problems. Most are fly-by-night shyster operations.
That's a pretty sweeping generalization. It sounds like you're talking more about a "dealer" that's a trailer with five cars parked out front. (Which, admittedly, is where Focus #1 came from, though the warranty was third-party.)
The Mustang had the airbag light come on. Was a connection under the seat that needed to be repaired... just a newconnector... i'll dig up the invoice later today.
Light was on when I picked the car up, but it went off and has been off since then.
Airbag light off again, i wonder if something was knocked loose or put back wrong when the mechanics looked at it.
If this is a dealer related issue, Toyota corporate will defenitely be hearing about this. The level of service I have received from both their Akron dealers is now comedic.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 12:55:15 PM
Taking the car to get the codes checked tommorrow. Started the car, light on. Get down the street light goes off. Go a little farther, light back on. Likely when I start it again, light off.
Whatever the problem is, its intermittent.
I'm thinking more and more its the clockspring.
My solution? Don't get into an accident when the light is on.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 04:04:25 PM
If this is a dealer related issue, Toyota corporate will defenitely be hearing about this. The level of service I have received from both their Akron dealers is now comedic.
You're not going to get good dealer service on a used car, and especially not on a used Yaris. And, Toyota has always been a little flippant with their customer service anyways.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 10, 2012, 04:06:49 PM
I'm thinking more and more its the clockspring.
My solution? Don't get into an accident when the light is on.
This is excellent advice. I think you should be a stock advisor too.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
This is excellent advice. I think you should be a stock advisor too.
Don't buy crappy stocks.
There. Now I am.
OK, so my attitude towards airbags is a little cavalier. I've only ever owned five vehicles with them anyways. I drove hopped up classic VW beetles for many years.
After tooling around for a while in a 140 HP VW Beetle with non-power assisted anything, pretty much everything else on four wheels seems safe by comparison.
I will take it to toyota, could be clock spring, could be a seat or seatbelt sensor. Who freaking knows.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 06:01:03 PM
I will take it to toyota, could be clock spring, could be a seat or seatbelt sensor. Who freaking knows.
It will be money. I know that much.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 10, 2012, 06:06:09 PM
It will be money. I know that much.
I know.
In order to save money, I'm just going to fix the cooling fan myself. Just drain out the resovoir, and the stupid fan literally clips onto the radiator.
Be wary about making a bad situation worse by shade treeing it - it's ~$1,000 for a reason.
Other non-Toyota new car dealers will work on Toyotas. Probably should try that for an add'l estimate.
No.
You're making this lesson harder than it needs to be...
Why should I pay the dealer an outrageous fee to bill me several times over for a job that's actually quite simple? The fan is dead. Replace with new fan assembly. I've already ordered the part, so it's a moot point.
Heck, I may just do it myself, it looks to be fairly easy.
Possible source:
Alternator. Remember how I said I would just ignore this alternator issue when I first got the car? Well, it may be coming back to bite me in the ass. Essentially, these stock Toyota alternators fail because the voltage regulator doesn't work correctly; the system will generally charge just fine. (No charge light, alternator shows up as "fine" in any test) However, when the battery is low, the alternator and voltage regulator will boost voltage to the SRS system to a normal level. Since mine doesn't work correctly, coupled with a likely stressed battery, and a failed fan plus the extra outside heat of this week (around 90 degrees) may be causing it to cut in and out. When current is corrected, light turns out.
That also might explain why I got no code when I tried "jumping the pins" on my OBDII port.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Why should I pay the dealer an outrageous fee to bill me several times over for a job that's actually quite simple? The fan is dead. Replace with new fan assembly. I've already ordered the part, so it's a moot point.
Heck, I may just do it myself, it looks to be fairly easy.
Your shadetreeism will cause your car to car to explode.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 10, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
Your shadetreeism will cause your car to car to explode.
There are two hoses in the way (one for the airbox, looks like) and what looks to be four clips holding it to the radiator. I'm betting most of the labor charge is assembling the fan itself.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Airbag light came on.
I don't know what to think right now.
Don't mess with that. If the car "senses" it's been in an accident (which can occur even days after an airbag light comes on), all kinds of bad things can happen, up to and including your engine shutting off in the middle of driving.
That sucks, dude. Honestly, if you really like the Yaris that much, I'd trade it in for another Yaris. No car should be giving you that many problems all at once. There's a possibility you just got a lemon. :devil:
Quote from: TurboDan on June 10, 2012, 11:29:50 PM
There's a possibility you just got a lemon. :devil:
Thought those did not grow in Japan? ;)
Edit: Well I guess the Yaris is built in places where they do grow.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 10, 2012, 11:29:50 PM
Don't mess with that. If the car "senses" it's been in an accident (which can occur even days after an airbag light comes on), all kinds of bad things can happen, up to and including your engine shutting off in the middle of driving.
That sucks, dude. Honestly, if you really like the Yaris that much, I'd trade it in for another Yaris. No car should be giving you that many problems all at once. There's a possibility you just got a lemon. :devil:
I haven't ruled it out. Essentially I have to sell the Yaris and get another vehicle. I should be able to sell the car and not end up underwater.
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Magically, all the Toyota dealers are booked solid for an SRS check, and it kind of terrifies me. I think they may try and tear the car to pieces.
Might be testing the alternator theory blind, but it makes sense, though. The light stays off when there is minimal electrical load (when first started) but comes on when accessories and such turn on. Then it'll tend click off when returned to idle with no accessories.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
Why?
Because it sounds like unfortunately, you bought a lemon. Get rid before more unforeseen problems appear.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 01:01:49 PMbotched repair
Seriously, you're better off looking for a car that has been looked after and spending the extra money on that instead of more repairs. There's loads of tidy Toyotas around. IMO
What laws exist where you live to protect buyers from buying products not fit for purpose? There are laws in the UK that in theory protect the buyer from buying a car that falls apart a few weeks later by forcing the seller to repair serious defects or provide a refund (I think).
Assuming the car is out of warranty at this point, then this would be worth checking out...
Damn, now I know why dealers sell those dumb 30-day "warranties"
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 11, 2012, 09:05:34 AM
What laws exist where you live to protect buyers from buying products not fit for purpose? There are laws in the UK that in theory protect the buyer from buying a car that falls apart a few weeks later by forcing the seller to repair serious defects or provide a refund (I think).
Assuming the car is out of warranty at this point, then this would be worth checking out...
It varies by state, but while we have a national "lemon law" to protect those who buy new cars, used cars have almost no protections besides state minimums ? and some states have NO protections for used cars. In my state, a used car under 50K miles would qualify for a 2,000mi/60 day full warranty by law. That's about it.
http://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty/my-used-cars-a-lemon-am-i-stuck-with-it.html
Also, 2o6, did you have a mechanic check this car out before buying??
The problems are looking to be fairly simple to fix, now that I understand how they happened.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 11, 2012, 09:05:34 AM
What laws exist where you live to protect buyers from buying products not fit for purpose? There are laws in the UK that in theory protect the buyer from buying a car that falls apart a few weeks later by forcing the seller to repair serious defects or provide a refund (I think).
Assuming the car is out of warranty at this point, then this would be worth checking out...
I've had the car since March, and up until now, there's been nothing wrong.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 11, 2012, 09:01:16 AM
Because it sounds like unfortunately, you bought a lemon. Get rid before more unforeseen problems appear.
Seriously, you're better off looking for a car that has been looked after and spending the extra money on that instead of more repairs. There's loads of tidy Toyotas around. IMO
Although this is true, these problems (save for the fuel tank) are likely related to one problem; the alternator.
I should have replaced the alternator at the start. Reading about how warning lights on some Yaris owners cars are intermittent due to this (ABS, Brake, P/S ect).
This is going to be a pain for the dealer to check; the alternator will read as "good" because it does charge normally (simply too much or not enough) but they won't check if it fluctuates.
Looks like I'm going solo on this.
Thiiiiiiis is going to end well.
You can actually test the alternator and the airbag circuits, you know. It's good that you're trying to figure this out, but don't jump to conclusions based on a Yaris forum. RTFSM!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
You can actually test the alternator and the airbag circuits, you know. It's good that you're trying to figure this out, but don't jump to conclusions based on a Yaris forum. RTFSM!
Just checked the alternator voltage; it's on the high side. Did a technique on getting the car to tell you the airbag codes. It simply resets. Yaris forum says if it were an airbag fault it would tell you a code. SRS light will also come on if the system gets low voltage, however if the problem corrects itself (by getting the correct voltage) the computer won't store the code. Which is why it won't give me any codes....computer is in a cycle thinking the car's SRS system has the correct voltage. I wouldn't be surprised if the alternator is the reason why the cooling fan burnt out.
Just checked the output of the alternator via a quick test at autozone. It's at around 14.5V (no audio equipment on, and no cooling fan running), which IIRC is on the high side (Acceptable voltage with no accessories on is around 13-14.5). Increase of revs brings no change in voltage. Autozone guy says everything is "fine" but what does he know? Something awry here.
I still have an appointment with the Toyota dealer to get an SRS scan, but I have a feeling they aren't going to listen to me and simply take the car apart then try and charge me for something mundane.
I am not going to say that 14.5 is high. Did you check it with a load?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
I am not going to say that 14.5 is high. Did you check it with a load?
It was the same with load and without a load.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 11, 2012, 12:31:19 PM
It was the same with load and without a load.
Then the problem did not show itself.
I also hear a slight noise on the alternator belt. (although that would present a different type of failure, typically low voltage)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Then the problem did not show itself.
Then the airbag light reset itself. The thing might be playing tag with me.
I should also say that the battery light will cut in and out every now and again prior to this incident. Since the battery charged up and the light shut off every single time I didn't think anything of it.
Quote from: MrH on June 11, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
Thiiiiiiis is going to end well.
I'm not seeing ANY trouble shooting; simply reading stuff on the InnerRepairs. Perhaps it's the alternator, but $Billions are probably spent every year by DIYers simply replacing parts they
think are at fault. I hope it all works out well but man, it's risky.
I've done a little troubleshooting by checking codes and voltage, but my next move won't happen until after I get those codes checked.
Not going to buy an alternator until I get those codes read....
Code reading is 5% of troubleshooting.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 09, 2012, 09:41:16 PM
2o6, find someone to steal the car and then buy something else with the insurance money.
Or set it on fire.
There we go.
The problem is electrical; there's not much I can do aside from taking the car apart and checking every part piece, by piece. That makes no sense.
SRS Light comes on due to incorrect voltage. Will turn off when correct voltage is achieved. Checked alternator output, voltage seems fine (at the moment). Airbag light shuts off again. If the SRS circuit was incomplete, (loose wire, bad connection) it would stay on all the time. Given the fact I have alternator issues, and the fact the light seems to be related to electric load it seems to make sense to me. Will have to have a few more tests to confirm, but this may be the problem.
Scratch everything I said on this alternator theory.
Finally got the codes read (I was jumping the pins wrong) 32 (means nothing) and 51 - bad clockspring.
Maybe it's time for this car to go.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 11, 2012, 09:01:16 AM
Because it sounds like unfortunately, you bought a lemon. Get rid before more unforeseen problems appear.
Seriously, you're better off looking for a car that has been looked after and spending the extra money on that instead of more repairs. There's loads of tidy Toyotas around. IMO
Now I agree with you.
Yuck.
Quote from: Laconian on June 11, 2012, 02:19:03 PM
Yuck.
On the plus side, a MT shift reasonably-priced Honda Fit popped up near me. Going to check it out tomorrow. I figure I can get around 6K for the Yaris, and maybe get the Fit to around $7300 out the door.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 11, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
On the plus side, a MT shift reasonably-priced Honda Fit popped up near me. Going to check it out tomorrow. I figure I can get around 6K for the Yaris, and maybe get the Fit to around $7300 out the door.
You are very optimistic, but I'd much rather the Fyt.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 11, 2012, 02:05:22 PM
Scratch everything I said on this alternator theory.
Finally got the codes read (I was jumping the pins wrong) 32 (means nothing) and 51 - bad clockspring.
Maybe it's time for this car to go.
If your code-diagnosisnis correct, the clock spring is stupidly easy to replace.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 11, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
On the plus side, a MT shift reasonably-priced Honda Fit popped up near me. Going to check it out tomorrow. I figure I can get around 6K for the Yaris, and maybe get the Fit to around $7300 out the door.
Good luck man. I would read this http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/jazz-2001/?section=bad Slightly different model but some will be relevant. We had a Jazz auto (1.5 litre) that unfortunately a battery drain issue that in the end meant it was sold. But no car is trouble free and this was probably an isolated case...
If the clockspring is bad, you should be able to get the airbag light to go off just by spinning and wiggling the steering wheel around in different positions. But it doesn't explain this battery light and lights dimming in the rain business at all so good luck with all that.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 02:52:31 PM
You are very optimistic, but I'd much rather the Fyt.
Fit's listing is high, but I'm not underwater on Yaris.
(http://archersnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ceilingdancer.jpg)
OH WHAT A FEELING
Trade in puts it at $6600 - $7700 (NADA)
Or 6200 -7700 (KBB)
I may be able to flip it.
You're going to get over $6k for a Yaris in need of repair?
I don't know what I will get.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 11, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
Trade in puts it at $6600 - $7700 (NADA)
Or 6200 -7700 (KBB)
I may be able to flip it.
Why are you quoting NADA? They're always stupid high. Edmunds and auto trader in my experience gives you the best idea. Of course, knock a bit off the asking price to get your actual sales price.
Edmunds does seem more realistic. Puts it at just under 6K for trade, and around 6.5K private party.
Quote from: MrH on June 11, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
Why are you quoting NADA? They're always stupid high. Edmunds and auto trader in my experience gives you the best idea. Of course, knock a bit off the asking price to get your actual sales price.
Guy with the Fit didn't want to come down one penny.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 12, 2012, 08:19:01 AM
Guy with the Fit didn't want to come down one penny.
Can't blame him. Good price to start, and it's a seller's market. He'll find a buyer.
Quote from: MrH on June 12, 2012, 09:18:39 AM
Can't blame him. Good price to start, and it's a seller's market. He'll find a buyer.
Sadly you're right. Fit prices are very high.
Going to look at a Versa hatch tommorrow.
Not going to lie, looking at fixing te clockspring looks to be fairly simple. Seems like everything unscrews and unclips. Hardest part looks like pulling the steering wheel.
I'm leaning more and more towards keeping the Yaris; repairs looking simpler and simpler, nothing else makes me get out of bed.
Toyota dealer ran the codes. Its the seat sensor. They messed with the connections and got it to go off, the it came back. They're going to recalibrate the seat in a future appointment.
Seems like you could "recalibrate" the sensor by looping the right size resistor across the chassis side of the harness connector.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 12, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
Seems like you could "recalibrate" the sensor by looping the right size resistor across the chassis side of the harness connector.
Apparantly, they have to "recalibrate" it by essentially plugging it to the computer then putting all sorts of weights on it.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 12, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
Apparantly, they have to "recalibrate" it by essentially plugging it to the computer then putting all sorts of weights on it.
How much $?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on June 13, 2012, 12:13:44 AM
How much $?
If they messed it up, should be free of charge.
And these issues sound minor. If the car is solid mechanically he should definitely keep it.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 13, 2012, 10:09:48 AM
If they messed it up, should be free of charge.
And these issues sound minor. If the car is solid mechanically he should definitely keep it.
Yeah, now that I know what they are I'm not that much upset.
Even if it was something like an oxygen sensor, its still not mechanical. Most sensors dont conk out and the ones that do are generally maintenance items
Quote from: 2o6 on June 09, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
Yeah, they wouldn't give me an itemized cost until I asked. Which sucks. Here is their rundown:
32 Amp $17.46
Cooling fan $ 52.60
Cooling fan Relay $ 82.51 (it's actually only $30)
Shroud $118.21
Fan $101.33
Motor $206.90
Nut $ 14.46
($593.47)
~$90 and three days shipping later.....
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/389237_3365789990078_1638843415_n.jpg)
New fan, with motor, preassembled, ready to drop into my car.
awesome!
They call them stealerships for a reason, friend...
The story gets better and better.
It was a blown fuse causing the fan not to click on. Letting the car cool down so I can test out and reconnect the old fan.
Old fan works just fine.
ROFL
Well, a lesson learned. Checking fuses first is the quickest DIY diagnosis with this sort of stuff.
One blown fuse can cause all kind of other strange electronic effects. Probably not air bag lights, but maybe.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 13, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
One blown fuse can cause all kind of other strange electronic effects. Probably not air bag lights, but maybe.
Oh I agree. I just meant with the fan. Which has happened on two other cars of mine in the past.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 13, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
One blown fuse can cause all kind of other strange electronic effects. Probably not air bag lights, but maybe.
It's still randomly on and off, so not that fuse for that problem.
You should absolutely rip the dealer a new one. Maybe even file a BBB complaint. That's absurd.
Quote from: TBR on June 13, 2012, 08:59:07 PM
You should absolutely rip the dealer a new one. Maybe even file a BBB complaint. That's absurd.
I intend to.
They were going to charge me $1000 in repairs for a $4 fuse.
LOL
Quote from: 2o6 on June 13, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
I intend to.
They were going to charge me $1000 in repairs for a $4 fuse.
If one of your local TV news stations does a "Channel _ On Your Side" segment, you could see if they'd be interested in your story.
Have you tried contacting Toyota's regional service rep yet? The rep works for the manufacturer and goes around to all the dealership service departments in his area to make sure they are in compliance with the manufacturers policies and standards. If your story is legit (and I trust that it is) then I can guarantee the rep will be chewing the service manager's ass until it bleeds! Believe it or not, manufacturers don't like it when dealers screw over their customers. I think contacting the rep is your best course of action at this time.
Quote from: Madman on June 13, 2012, 10:03:39 PM
If one of your local TV news stations does a "Channel _ On Your Side" segment, you could see if they'd be interested in your story.
Have you tried contacting Toyota's regional service rep yet? The rep works for the manufacturer and goes around to all the dealership service departments in his area to make sure they are in compliance with the manufacturers policies and standards. If your story is legit (and I trust that it is) then I can guarantee the rep will be chewing the service manager's ass until it bleeds! Believe it or not, manufacturers don't like it when dealers screw over their customers. I think contacting the rep is your best course of action at this time.
Agreed! I'm pretty sure they checked the fuse first!
That's ridiculous.
For a moment I thought you were going to sell the Yaris and get something else. It seems the cars you buy appear reliable at first glance and then the moment when you take ownership of them something breaks! You're cursed! Cursed! :lol:
Time to balance out things here with a simple mathematical formula. Two negatives equal a positive. So we've established that, you're automotively cursed, that's a negative. Now you have to get a car with a reputation for unreliability, another negative. Your automotive curse and the unreliable car will create something POSITIVE, meaning the unreliable car will actually be very reliable in your ownership. It makes perfect and logical sense! :praise:
So, with that in mind, get this! :wub: :lol:
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i31/cawimmer430/Carspin%20Spotted/Unbenannt-1-1.jpg)
Is the dealer simply incompetent, or is this fraudulent behavior?
Quote from: Galaxy on June 14, 2012, 05:49:52 AM
Is the dealer simply incompetent, or is this fraudulent behavior?
I'm thinking more of the latter than the former.
Probably both.
Luckily 2o6 is just incompetent. :lol: Better off fixing it himself.
Think the techs at a Toyota dealer would really overlook a blown fuse? Not a chance. The blown fan fuse is likely a symptom or byproduct of problem(s) elsewhere; for example a short or overload of a DC motor (= draws excess current) like that which drives a radiator fan would definitely blow a fuse...
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:26:59 AM
Think the techs at a Toyota dealer would really overlook a blown fuse? Not a chance. The blown fan fuse is likely a symptom or byproduct of problem(s) elsewhere; for example a short or overload of a DC motor (= draws excess current) like that which drives a radiator fan would definitely blow a fuse...
Given their past history with Kevin, I wouldn't doubt it. Why else would they charge $1,000 for this repair, if not for a gross profit?
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:26:59 AM
Think the techs at a Toyota dealer would really overlook a blown fuse? Not a chance. The blown fan fuse is likely a symptom or byproduct of problem(s) elsewhere; for example a short or overload of a DC motor (= draws excess current) like that which drives a radiator fan would definitely blow a fuse...
They made no mention of the fuse or any electrical issues. Plus the old fan works, which means they didn't have to replace it. There may be a short somewhere- entirely possible wiring got frayed or something during the car's time. But again, you don't have to replace a fan to fix a wire.
Quote from: MrH on June 14, 2012, 08:18:34 AM
Probably both.
Luckily 2o6 is just incompetent. :lol: Better off fixing it himself.
2o6 is way further ahead in practical automotive knowledge/diagnosis than most people, including folks on this board :huh:
Some lessons gotta be learned the hard way... dude did run around a bit but he eventually figured it out. I bet next time he has an electrical problem the first thing he will go for is the fuses.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 14, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
2o6 is way further ahead in practical automotive knowledge/diagnosis than most people, including folks on this board :huh:
I don't agree with 2o6 that often on car choices or car "philosophy" but the dude knows more than a lot of people on here and is ballsy enough to give things under the hood a try sometimes. We all have to start somewhere.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:26:59 AM
Think the techs at a Toyota dealer would really overlook a blown fuse? Not a chance. The blown fan fuse is likely a symptom or byproduct of problem(s) elsewhere; for example a short or overload of a DC motor (= draws excess current) like that which drives a radiator fan would definitely blow a fuse...
I think there is something to this. Fuses blow for a reason. I'd replace it once, but if it blows again, Id say there is a problem.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 14, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
They made no mention of the fuse or any electrical issues. Plus the old fan works, which means they didn't have to replace it. There may be a short somewhere- entirely possible wiring got frayed or something during the car's time. But again, you don't have to replace a fan to fix a wire.
2o6 is way further ahead in practical automotive knowledge/diagnosis than most people, including folks on this board :huh:
DC motor problems can be transient; like related to temperature (one of many modes of motor failure is the heat of use causes the winding insulation to expand which exposes a short not present when the motor is cold).
The chances the problem with the fan was simply a fuse that the Toyota techs missed is 1 in a 1000.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 10:35:51 AM
DC motor problems can be transient; like related to temperature (one of many modes of motor failure is the heat of use causes the winding insulation to expand which exposes a short not present when the motor is cold).
The chances the problem with the fan was simply a fuse that the Toyota techs missed is 1 in a 1000.
Again, given his experience with the Toyota dealers in Akron, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that they were just interested in making a dime, as they failed to point out to the customer the blown fuse.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:26:59 AM
Think the techs at a Toyota dealer would really overlook a blown fuse? Not a chance. The blown fan fuse is likely a symptom or byproduct of problem(s) elsewhere; for example a short or overload of a DC motor (= draws excess current) like that which drives a radiator fan would definitely blow a fuse...
Although I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree with your symptoms. Dealer's exact words were "The fan is blown out, it needs replaced". Part of me want to know how the heck they came up with this diagnostic; a simple voltmeter would be able to check if there was current coming to the fan.
Plus, the fact that my alternator has had issues in the past (known problem with early Yarises) wouldn't be suprised if that's why it blew out.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 10:35:51 AM
DC motor problems can be transient; like related to temperature (one of many modes of motor failure is the heat of use causes the winding insulation to expand which exposes a short not present when the motor is cold).
The chances the problem with the fan was simply a fuse that the Toyota techs missed is 1 in a 1000.
I think you put too much trust in dealers. You have a new(er) car than mine, one that IIRC is still under warranty. You can afford to drop it off at the dealer and let them do whatever to it because you have the budget to do so. In fact, at the dealer, the first thing they asked me is "is this car under warranty?" before they told me the cost of my job.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
Although I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree with your symptoms. Dealer's exact words were "The fan is blown out, it needs replaced". Part of me want to know how the heck they came up with this diagnostic; a simple voltmeter would be able to check if there was current coming to the fan.
Plus, the fact that my alternator has had issues in the past (known problem with early Yarises) wouldn't be suprised if that's why it blew out.
So why did the fuse blow to begin with; just because? It highly blew for a reason, this being a relatively new car.
An alternator can't blow out a fuse; only the downstream load can blow a fuse (current is drawn through a fuse, it's not pushed).
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
I think you put too much trust in dealers. You have a new(er) car than mine, one that IIRC is still under warranty. You can afford to drop it off at the dealer and let them do whatever to it because you have the budget to do so. In fact, at the dealer, the first thing they asked me is "is this car under warranty?" before they told me the cost of my job.
Not really; I just know fixing cars is very complicated. A new car dealer on average will have the certified and better trained/experienced techs than an indie shop (let alone a shadetree or DIY), plus have a reputation to protect both with customers/community and the automaker.
Not having the money to not fix a car properly doesn't follow IMO. I drop cars off at the dealer (including my well-out-of-warranty Accord) because on average and overall it will be cheaper and a more convenient process (including getting a service loaner).
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
So why did the fuse blow to begin with; just because? It highly blew for a reason, this being a relatively new car.
An alternator can't blow out a fuse; only the downstream load can blow a fuse (current is drawn through a fuse, it's not pushed).
If the voltage regulator in the alternator (problem) isn't working correctly, it won't dole out the correct amount of voltage to any of the electrical systems. If the cooling fan is "lopping off voltage" like you say, that's a very logical progression for that fuse blowing out.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Not really; I just know fixing cars is very complicated. A new car dealer on average will have the certified and better trained/experienced techs than an indie shop (let alone a shadetree or DIY), plus have a reputation to protect both with customers/community and the automaker.
Not having the money to not fix a car properly doesn't follow IMO. I drop cars off at the dealer (including my well-out-of-warranty Accord) because on average and overall it will be cheaper and a more convenient process (including getting a service loaner).
Explain the crap service I have received at TWO Toyota dealers, then? They're running around trying to find the problem as bad as, if not worse, than an indie mechanic. However they charge much, much more. Dealer isn't always best.
I got my gas tank installed at the dealer, and it stalled out nearly costing me my life.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 14, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
I think there is something to this. Fuses blow for a reason. I'd replace it once, but if it blows again, Id say there is a problem.
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So far it's holding, so I'm not going to worry about it.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 10:35:51 AM
DC motor problems can be transient; like related to temperature (one of many modes of motor failure is the heat of use causes the winding insulation to expand which exposes a short not present when the motor is cold).
The chances the problem with the fan was simply a fuse that the Toyota techs missed is 1 in a 1000.
The car is known for charging system problems... fuse could have been blown before dude got the car.
And lol @ your faith in auto techs. No offense to them, but I have worked in the auto service industry, and there are some dim ones. I knew a tech who connected the wrong leads to a battery and damn near fried a customer's car. And you want to talk about electrical problem diagnoses? Lol. Plus in any case, no offense, but you haven't turned a wrench or diagnoses an automotive problem in a long time. Sometimes it is just a fuse. If it's not, and its transient like you say, it will come up again. THEN he will have cause to replace the fan. But to jump to replacing the fan w/o even knowing if its the problem is silly.
Its working so far, so it might have just been a fluke. But by not putting his faith in the techs, he saved himself a ton of $$$.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
If the voltage regulator in the alternator (problem) isn't working correctly, it won't dole out the correct amount of voltage to any of the electrical systems. If the cooling fan is "lopping off voltage" like you say, that's a very logical progression for that fuse blowing out.
Explain the crap service I have received at TWO Toyota dealers, then? They're running around trying to find the problem as bad as, if not worse, than an indie mechanic. However they charge much, much more. Dealer isn't always best.
I got my gas tank installed at the dealer, and it stalled out nearly costing me my life.
"Lopping?" Those aren't
my words. Excess voltage (in DC motor systems) doesn't blow fuses.
Seems to me the issue was junk in your line, likely from the (original) botched repair not done by the dealer.
I don't think you know as much as you think you do.
I haven't really had a dealer try to screw me over before (a couple of extremely well regarded independent mechanics did though), but I have experienced incompetence. I had a multipoint inspection done on the Prelude at one point, and they hardly found anything wrong at all. Less than a year later an independent mechanic discovered thousands of dollars worth of fluid leaks (power steering, clutch system, and oil). I also had them tell me that the only way to get the AC working was to replace the control panel (a $550 part brand new). Turns out that the panel wasn't the problem at all, it was in connector on the wiring harness, something I discovered via common sense (ie: if I pressed on the bundle of wires the right way the AC would kick on). They didn't even discover it when I brought them a used panel to be put in. Thank god I didn't put in the new panel, otherwise it would have cost me even more than the $200 their misdiagnosis cost as it is.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Not really; I just know fixing cars is very complicated. A new car dealer on average will have the certified and better trained/experienced techs than an indie shop (let alone a shadetree or DIY), plus have a reputation to protect both with customers/community and the automaker.
Not having the money to not fix a car properly doesn't follow IMO. I drop cars off at the dealer (including my well-out-of-warranty Accord) because on average and overall it will be cheaper and a more convenient process (including getting a service loaner).
I find stealership mechanics are "parts-throwers" moreso than indie shops. Indie shops try to earn your money by saving you money. Stealership service areas exist to make up revenue lost from offering deals-of-the-century bargains in the showroom. In other words, they feed you a line about their "superior" knowledge of the product, then gouge the hell out of you.
For example: Stealership says five hours of labor to install a tow package on my LR2 because "it's a very advanced vehicle that must be totally rewired." Indie mechanic did the electrical hookup and hitch bolt-on in about an hour.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 02:05:08 PM
I don't think you know as much as you think you do.
I think you think I know more than you do.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 14, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
I find stealership mechanics are "parts-throwers" moreso than indie shops. Indie shops try to earn your money by saving you money. Stealership service areas exist to make up revenue lost from offering deals-of-the-century bargains in the showroom. In other words, they feed you a line about their "superior" knowledge of the product, then gouge the hell out of you.
For example: Stealership says five hours of labor to install a tow package on my LR2 because "it's a very advanced vehicle that must be totally rewired." Indie mechanic did the electrical hookup and hitch bolt-on in about an hour.
If that's the case how could dealership service departments ever stay in business?
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
If that's the case how could dealership service departments ever stay in business?
Warranty work and clueless customers :huh:
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
If that's the case how could dealership service departments ever stay in business?
Warranty service. If my car was still under warranty, the cooling fan would be covered. That's $1000 worth of parts and work that the dealer could use.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 02:12:06 PM
I think you think I know more than you do.
In some situations, maybe. In others, I just think you're a really good writer.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
If that's the case how could dealership service departments ever stay in business?
Because some people believe the BS. I used to go to the VW dealership for oil changes because I had a corporate credit and basically got them for free. Every time I went in for an oil change some tech would come in, all gloom and doom, telling me how 50 parts needed to be replaced and I'd be lucky if I could make it home. Somehow, the car made it 153K miles with little more than maintenance items being replaced. A lot of people would "heed the warning" and give them the go-ahead to perform unnecessary repairs.
I once sat there as a tech came in and told some older lady that her car needed new windshield wipers and they would be $75. She told them to go ahead. $75 for windshield wipers installed by a "VW expert." LOL.
By the way, when I was looking at LR2s, I came across an '09 CPO model. I was thinking of paying a few thousand more because of the warranty, etc. Dealership dude told me before they could certify it, a few things needed to be replaced, including wipers. Land Rover's wiper replacement price (get ready, sit down) $180.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
If the voltage regulator in the alternator (problem) isn't working correctly, it won't dole out the correct amount of voltage to any of the electrical systems. If the cooling fan is "lopping off voltage" like you say, that's a very logical progression for that fuse blowing out.
If the voltage regulator is fucked, you won't be driving anywhere for long. It happened to my mom's car and to Payman's Hyundai years back. A problem with that leaves you dead in the water.
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If the voltage regulator is fucked, you won't be driving anywhere for long. It happened to my mom's car and to Payman's Hyundai years back. A problem with that leaves you dead in the water.
Not necessarily.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 02:19:37 PM
Warranty service. If my car was still under warranty, the cooling fan would be covered. That's $1000 worth of parts and work that the dealer could use.
In some situations, maybe. In others, I just think you're a really good writer.
Warranty service is only a portion of what a dealer does.
Nah, I just know way more than you do, in particular, about the basics of DC circuits and motors in general.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
Warranty service is only a portion of what a dealer does.
Nah, I just know way more than you do, in particular, about the basics of DC circuits and motors in general.
Ummm, hmmm.
OK.
A 10 Ohm load at 13 volts will draw how many amps?
That same load when fed 18 volts will draw how many amps?
OK, so explain to me again how a bad voltage regulator can't possibly cause fuses to blow?
CougsSPIN
Quote from: 93JC on June 14, 2012, 07:15:53 PM
CougsSPIN
Isn't this middle school level stuff here, or am I missing something?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:15:05 PM
Ummm, hmmm.
OK.
A 10 Ohm load at 13 volts will draw how many amps?
That same load when fed 18 volts will draw how many amps?
OK, so explain to me again how a bad voltage regulator can't possibly cause fuses to blow?
Volts are completely independent of amps and ohms. EducationSPIN.
High school, I think.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Volts are completely independent of amps and ohms. EducationSPIN.
Ask Mr. Ohm about that one. E=I/R
:nono: E = IR
Quote from: 93JC on June 14, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
:nono: E = IR
Doh!
I meant I=E/R, but got confuseded.
It's okay, it's complicated.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:15:05 PM
Ummm, hmmm.
OK.
A 10 Ohm load at 13 volts will draw how many amps?
That same load when fed 18 volts will draw how many amps?
OK, so explain to me again how a bad voltage regulator can't possibly cause fuses to blow?
A DC motor is not a static resistive load (a common incorrect assumption). It is an inductive + resistive (mostly) load that self (mechanically) commutates. What does this mean exactly? RPM is proportional to voltage and torque is proportional to current: give a DC motor more voltage it spins faster but current draw will remain the same (if load remains the same; which it will, with a fix-pitched radiator cooling fan).
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:17:41 PM
Isn't this middle school level stuff here, or am I missing something?
Either you missed the premise noted below and/or you're making the incorrect assumption noted above.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
"Lopping?" Those aren't my words. Excess voltage (in DC motor systems) doesn't blow fuses.
Seems to me the issue was junk in your line, likely from the (original) botched repair not done by the dealer.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
A DC motor is not a static resistive load (a common incorrect assumption). It is an inductive + resistive (mostly) load that self (mechanically) commutates. What does this mean exactly? RPM is proportional to voltage and torque is proportional to current: give a DC motor more voltage it spins faster but current draw will remain the same (if load remains the same; which it will, with a fix-pitched radiator cooling fan).
You could not be more wrong. You could try to be, but you would fail.
Somebody has never heard of PWM.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 07:56:16 PM
Somebody has never heard of PWM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many radiator fans are using pulse-width modulation.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many radiator fans are using pulse-width modulation.
Maybe they should.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
You could not be more wrong. You could try to be, but you would fail.
Very interested in seeing 15+ years of servo/robotic/machine design/programming experience and education being upended...
So I've gone back and looked at a few of 2o6's posts for the lulz.
A fuse blowing is indicative of one of two problems:
1) a short
2) a mechanical problem causing overload
If the fan has worn bearings it would cause the motor to draw more current, causing the fuse to blow.
A fuse is (almost) NEVER the SOURCE of a problem, it's the RESULT.
Quote from: 93JC on June 14, 2012, 08:05:36 PM
So I've gone back and looked at a few of 2o6's posts for the lulz.
A fuse blowing is indicative of one of two problems:
1) a short
2) a mechanical problem causing overload
If the fan has worn bearings it would cause the motor to draw more current, causing the fuse to blow.
A fuse is (almost) NEVER the SOURCE of a problem, it's the RESULT.
Solution: put a bigger fuse in :praise:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 07:56:16 PM
Somebody has never heard of PWM.
DC motors' IIT-relevant electro-mechanical characteristics (RPM proportional to voltage, torque proportional to current) are the same whether on straight DC or (proper for a DC motor) PWM waveform.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:03:49 PM
Very interested in seeing 15+ years of servo/robotic/machine design/programming experience and education being upended...
I really don't care; this statement is a blatant ad-homenim statement and is really based upon hearsay. What you're saying doesn't make any sense in a modern car, especially when the problem has already been said over and over again.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
Warranty service is only a portion of what a dealer does.
Nah, I just know way more than you do, in particular, about the basics of DC circuits and motors in general.
Honestly, I don't care. The statement in bold is hearsay; there is no possible way you could know the percentage of repairs are warranty that dealers do.
Let's take it to the most basic level I can think of: When the charging system is turning out too much power, it will blow stuff up. Why cougs, is nothing else on my car blown if the charging system has a problem with overcharging?
Quote from: 93JC on June 14, 2012, 08:05:36 PM
So I've gone back and looked at a few of 2o6's posts for the lulz.
A fuse blowing is indicative of one of two problems:
1) a short
2) a mechanical problem causing overload
If the fan has worn bearings it would cause the motor to draw more current, causing the fuse to blow.
A fuse is (almost) NEVER the SOURCE of a problem, it's the RESULT.
I haven't ruled it out, not without a doubt. But the dealer told me that no power was reaching the fan.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:03:49 PM
Very interested in seeing 15+ years of servo/robotic/machine design/programming experience and education being upended...
You know when a guy tells me what he's done instead of backing his shit up, I just stop listening.
You increase the voltage to the fan, it speeds up, but its not a linear transition like you're implying. The amp draw does does not just stay the same.
Plus, if you find a circuit on any modern car that is a pure DC motor circuit and nothing else, tell me.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
You know when a guy tells me what he's done instead of backing his shit up, I just stop listening.
You increase the voltage to the fan, it speeds up, but it's not a linear transition like you're implying. The amp draw does does not just stay the same.
Plus, if you find a circuit on any modern car that is a pure DC motor circuit and nothing else, tell me.
:ohyeah:
See? I post one stupid thing, and you guys are twisting my words
Facts:
Dealer mechanic says the fan is dead (he says he cannot get any response in the code reader to start the fan) Tries to bill me for associated hardware, including some redundancies in the quote
Dealer mechanic says the fan has more drag than normal (I don't think this is true; in comparison to the new fan I bought it has the same amount of drag; car spins old fan up with no trouble)
Dealer mechanic orders every part piece by piece (I found the unit for $90 new in box) writes quote me outrageous charge for a thing that literally clips to the back of the radiatior. Literally two things are in the way; upper radiator hose and a hose for the airbox.
Dealer mechanic says that there is no power going to the fan (but as I found out didn't do anything to check the fuses)
Possibly, come to think of it, the cooling fan may have never been working since I bought the car. However, since I don't have a conventional temperature gauge I never really knew if it was heating up too hot or not (until the temp light came on) car ran fine, had no reason to believe otherwise
AC compressor has the cooling fan running all the time. AC on, no fan. Now the fan works just fine....at least for now.
Even if the blown fuse is a result of something else (a short, bad fan) the dealer didn't do the proper testing to confirm this. They even went to far as to pressure test the system when I TOLD THEM THE FAN ISN'T WORKING.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
I really don't care; this statement is a blatant ad-homenim statement and is really based upon hearsay. What you're saying doesn't make any sense in a modern car, especially when the problem has already been said over and over again.
Honestly, I don't care. The statement in bold is hearsay; there is no possible way you could know the percentage of repairs are warranty that dealers do.
Let's take it to the most basic level I can think of: When the charging system is turning out too much power, it will blow stuff up. Why cougs, is nothing else on my car blown if the charging system has a problem with overcharging?
You seem much more interested in reinventing the world of electronics rather than understanding how the current world of electronics works; that's just not worth my time.
Cop. Freaking. Out.
If you have nothing to add, don't post.
p0st?
You should get a cold air intake kit. +11 HP
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:18:58 PM
You seem much more interested in reinventing the world of electronics rather than understanding how the current world of electronics works; that's just not worth my time.
fact: your statement was that a faulty voltage regulator could not possibly cause a blown fuse; when there are dozens of ways in which this could cause exactly that.
Everything since has been mere obfuscation.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 08:24:34 PM
fact: your statement was that a faulty voltage regulator could not possibly cause a blown fuse; when there are dozens of ways in which this could cause exactly that.
Everything since has been mere obfuscation.
EVEN IF cougs were right, the dealer's method and what they told me doesn't add up.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
You know when a guy tells me what he's done instead of backing his shit up, I just stop listening.
You increase the voltage to the fan, it speeds up, but its not a linear transition like you're implying. The amp draw does does not just stay the same.
Plus, if you find a circuit on any modern car that is a pure DC motor circuit and nothing else, tell me.
Sure seems like you're listening ;).
I explained the voltage/current relationship of how DC motors work yet all you did was hurl insults; time to toe the line you've drawn for yourself and show me how that's wrong.
Sure it's linear; not linear to 0.000001% but even cheap brushed DC motors like that used in cars will be within 5-10%; they have to be otherwise they wouldn't work.
There a loads of "pure" DC motor (circuits) on a modern car - starter motor, moonroof, power seats, etc.
Stay out.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
p0st?
You should get a cold air intake kit. +11 HP
I've thought about it....seriously.
http://www.amazon.com/Yaris-2007-Intake-Injen-SP2024P/dp/B0036O4W60
dat hosepowar
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Yaris-2007-Intake-Injen-SP2024P/dp/B0036O4W60
dat hosepowar
nah mang
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCS-CAI4407/
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 08:33:14 PM
nah mang
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCS-CAI4407/
I have obviously not shopped around. That is good deel.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
I have obviously not shopped around. That is good deel.
And since it's only 10 minutes away, I can pick it up!
I insulted nobody. I called you out on your mistakes.if you can't handle that, i suggest you adjust your medications
(That, for reference purposes only, was an insult- see the difference?)
Fans like to flow at a certain CFM range: move much outside of that, and the current draw goes up singificantly. That has nothing to do with the motor, but with the fan. Spin the fan 10% faster, and it may draw 20% more power: net increase in current, end of story.
And no, none of those, especially on a modern car are going to be isolated down to the motor level with one fuse. In fact, almost nothing on a car is as simple as it appears. Take a moon roof motor for instance- that's not just a motor circuit, but it also powers the CANbus node and hall-effect feedback input module for the moonroof, the native IO module that controls the various positions, and the anti-trap sensing (yes, its that complicated): any of which when fed too much voltage will trip breakers all day long. (Hey, guess what I do for a living now)
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Sure seems like you're listening ;).
I explained the voltage/current relationship of how DC motors work yet all you did was hurl insults; time to toe the line you've drawn for yourself and show me how that's wrong.
Sure it's linear; not linear to 0.000001% but even cheap brushed DC motors like that used in cars will be within 5-10%; they have to be otherwise they wouldn't work.
There a loads of "pure" DC motor (circuits) on a modern car - starter motor, moonroof, power seats, etc.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 08:24:34 PM
fact: your statement was that a faulty voltage regulator could not possibly cause a blown fuse; when there are dozens of ways in which this could cause exactly that.
Everything since has been mere obfuscation.
Nice attempt at
non-motorized premise alteration:
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
A DC motor is not a static resistive load (a common incorrect assumption). It is an inductive + resistive (mostly) load that self (mechanically) commutates. What does this mean exactly? RPM is proportional to voltage and torque is proportional to current: give a DC motor more voltage it spins faster but current draw will remain the same (if load remains the same; which it will, with a fix-pitched radiator cooling fan).
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 14, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
You could not be more wrong. You could try to be, but you would fail.
I know you guys HATE me correcting you and otherwise HATE when I'm right, but give a thought to MaybeIshouldjustlistenlikeanadultnexttimeSPIN.
If you think current is proportional to voltage in a DC motor, or think there aren't DC motors in cars, or whatever nonsense you, 2o6, or others are peddling, you're just being stupid.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
An alternator can't blow out a fuse; only the downstream load can blow a fuse (current is drawn through a fuse, it's not pushed).
Who's altering the premise again?
You can't push current through a fuse? Yeah, that's right, they only work one way.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 14, 2012, 08:18:50 PM
See? I post one stupid thing, and you guys are twisting my words
Facts:
Dealer mechanic says the fan is dead (he says he cannot get any response in the code reader to start the fan) Tries to bill me for associated hardware, including some redundancies in the quote
Dealer mechanic says the fan has more drag than normal (I don't think this is true; in comparison to the new fan I bought it has the same amount of drag; car spins old fan up with no trouble)
Dealer mechanic orders every part piece by piece (I found the unit for $90 new in box) writes quote me outrageous charge for a thing that literally clips to the back of the radiatior. Literally two things are in the way; upper radiator hose and a hose for the airbox.
Dealer mechanic says that there is no power going to the fan (but as I found out didn't do anything to check the fuses)
Possibly, come to think of it, the cooling fan may have never been working since I bought the car. However, since I don't have a conventional temperature gauge I never really knew if it was heating up too hot or not (until the temp light came on) car ran fine, had no reason to believe otherwise
AC compressor has the cooling fan running all the time. AC on, no fan. Now the fan works just fine....at least for now.
Even if the blown fuse is a result of something else (a short, bad fan) the dealer didn't do the proper testing to confirm this. They even went to far as to pressure test the system when I TOLD THEM THE FAN ISN'T WORKING.
Cougs, even if you're right, the dealer didn't draw the conclusion correctly.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:39:03 PM
Nice attempt at non-motorized premise alteration:
I know you guys HATE me correcting you and otherwise HATE when I'm right, but give a thought to MaybeIshouldjustlistenlikeanadultnexttimeSPIN.
If you think current is proportional to voltage in a DC motor, or think there aren't DC motors in cars, or whatever nonsense you, 2o6, or others are peddling, you're just being stupid.
Holy cow. If I turn up the voltage in my car to 20V, it's going to destroy pretty much every fuse the car has. If the fuses somehow hold up, it's going to destroy anything that uses power on the ends (lightbulbs, DC motors).
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2012, 08:39:03 PM
Nice attempt at non-motorized premise alteration:
I know you guys HATE me correcting you and otherwise HATE when I'm right, but give a thought to MaybeIshouldjustlistenlikeanadultnexttimeSPIN.
If you think current is proportional to voltage in a DC motor, or think there aren't DC motors in cars, or whatever nonsense you, 2o6, or others are peddling, you're just being stupid.
Have you considered the aerodynamics of the fan blades?
Anyways, the fan seems to be working fine right now so I'm not going to worry about it. If it blows again, then something is definitely up.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 14, 2012, 08:43:10 PM
You can't push current through a fuse? Yeah, that's right, they only work one way.
Yeah, that's why you have to make sure you put them in the right way around, otherwise it won't work. Like AA batteries.
I no longer trust the Toyota dealers in Akron, or honestly, anywhere.
Took it in to get the seat "recalibrated". They ran the codes again, and "discover" the code for the spiral cable (clockspring). Want to bill me $475 parts and labor for the job (not horrible, I do believe) $150 for getting the seat "recalibrated".
Why do you keep taking it to the dealers when you've been saying say how incompetent they are?
MugSPIN
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 18, 2012, 08:47:11 AM
Why do you keep taking it to the dealers when you've been saying say how incompetent they are?
MugSPIN
I went to three different dealers.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 18, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
I went to three different dealers.
Why don't you try an independent specialist? Specialists (tend to) live off their reputation rather than a franchise?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 18, 2012, 08:49:57 AM
Why don't you try an independent specialist? Specialists (tend to) live off their reputation rather than a franchise?
There's no point. I'm going to do it myself.
Thats a shame. I'm sure there's a "How to" online somewhere. Good luck!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on June 18, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
Thats a shame. I'm sure there's a "How to" online somewhere. Good luck!
There's a video on the Yaris Forum. (Finding out that this is somewhat common on 2007 and 2008 MY cars)
Beauty plate is held on by two torx T27 screws (as is the airbag) Airbag module clips off. Steering wheel is held on with a 17MM nut. Unbolt nut, then wiggle wheel off the shaft. Then the spiral coil is right there and it clips right in.
Sounds simple enough!
Quote from: 2o6 on June 18, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
There's a video on the Yaris Forum. (Finding out that this is somewhat common on 2007 and 2008 MY cars)
Beauty plate is held on by two torx T27 screws (as is the airbag) Airbag module clips off. Steering wheel is held on with a 17MM nut. Unbolt nut, then wiggle wheel off the shaft. Then the spiral coil is right there and it clips right in.
Don't count on being able to "wiggle the wheel off the shaft." Have a steering wheel puller handy. And make sure you've unplugged the airbag control module or the battery for awhile before you try this unless you want to risk it going off in your face.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 18, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
Don't count on being able to "wiggle the wheel off the shaft." Have a steering wheel puller handy. And make sure you've unplugged the airbag control module or the battery for awhile before you try this unless you want to risk it going off in your face.
Don't listen to Chimp. Do it with the module plugged in and the battery connected. Otherwise the wheel won't come off.
Quote from: SVT_Power on June 18, 2012, 04:27:01 PM
Don't listen to Chimp. Do it with the module plugged in and the battery connected. Otherwise the wheel won't come off.
:lol:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 18, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
Don't count on being able to "wiggle the wheel off the shaft." Have a steering wheel puller handy. And make sure you've unplugged the airbag control module or the battery for awhile before you try this unless you want to risk it going off in your face.
I still plan on renting one but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgWSzVeILhc&t=2m48s
His just rocks right off.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on June 18, 2012, 04:55:48 PM
:lol:
Heck, I'd get a battery and a couple of leads and see if I could make it pop.
Then again, I am not a role model to be followed when it comes to these things.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
Heck, I'd get a battery and a couple of leads and see if I could make it pop.
Then again, I am not a role model to be followed when it comes to these things.
:ohyeah:
BTW, 2o6, I love your "Car of the Month" Renault Alliance! (1986-87 model, going by the headlamps and grille) I've been talking online to a guy in Louisiana who's restoring a 1987 Alliance GTA coupe. He doing an incredibly thorough job of it, too. He's even built an arduino computer board to hack into the car's ECU. This guy is a friggin' GENIUS!!! :ohyeah:
Quote from: 2o6 on June 18, 2012, 12:12:23 PM
There's no point. I'm going to do it myself.
I meant for future servicing/repairs you can't do yourself
Amberlamps?
Quote from: Madman on June 18, 2012, 11:13:31 PM
BTW, 2o6, I love your "Car of the Month" Renault Alliance! (1986-87 model, going by the headlamps and grille) I've been talking online to a guy in Louisiana who's restoring a 1987 Alliance GTA coupe. He doing an incredibly thorough job of it, too. He's even built an arduino computer board to hack into the car's ECU. This guy is a friggin' GENIUS!!! :ohyeah:
My boy has a 2 door in perfect condition for sale for a grand. 4 speed too......
Fuse is holding so far, been hearing the fan start up and shut down normally.
Looking for a clockspring, it's fairly hard to find. Junkyard ones could be hit or miss; deployed airbags pretty much melts the connectors on the part.
While I'm down there, I might put in a wiper stalk from a Prius. Mine only has three speeds; low, high and intermittent. It's annoying when it rains.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 22, 2012, 01:26:03 PM
Fuse is holding so far, been hearing the fan start up and shut down normally.
Looking for a clockspring, it's fairly hard to find. Junkyard ones could be hit or miss; deployed airbags pretty much melts the connectors on the part.
While I'm down there, I might put in a wiper stalk from a Prius. Mine only has three speeds; low, high and intermittent. It's annoying when it rains.
(http://archersnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ceilingdancer.jpg)
OH WHAT A FEELING
Buy a new clock spring. That's a part you don't skimp on.
Kevin, check this out!
1986 Maserati Biturbo. 90,000 km and it costs only 3,950 Euros!!! Ship it over to the US and enjoy it! Now this is a car!!! :praise:
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3053/unbenann1t1.jpg)
Barf!!
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 23, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Kevin, check this out!
1986 Maserati Biturbo. 90,000 km and it costs only 3,950 Euros!!! Ship it over to the US and enjoy it! Now this is a car!!! :praise:
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3053/unbenann1t1.jpg)
Should someone, for inexplicable reasons, desire to own the worst Maserati ever made that wasn't a Chrysler, examples can be found already in the states for less than that, and in better condition.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2012, 04:12:17 PM
Should someone, for inexplicable reasons, desire to own the worst Maserati ever made that wasn't a Chrysler, examples can be found already in the states for less than that, and in better condition.
I would buy it just to say F*CK YOU! to CONSUMER REPORTS! :froth:
But yeah, c'est degolas, completment merde! If I were to go through the pain of importing a car, it'd be a CX or SM.
The Maserati Biturbo is to me the most beautiful Maserati ever made. Just a simple, yet totally elegant and classy/lovely design. Just look at it! :wub:
(http://www.italian-cars.com/html/tech/early/biturbo.jpg)
Auto Classic magazine promised me that if they ever have a Citroen SM or Maserati Biturbo owner in town, I'll be the photographer! :rockon:
Yes, if it wasn't for the badging, it could very easily be mistaken for a Chevy Citation. Much more beautiful than a Khamsin, Bora, or a Ghibli.
What was I thinking?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 24, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Yes, if it wasn't for the badging, it could very easily be mistaken for a Chevy Citation. Much more beautiful than a Khamsin, Bora, or a Ghibli.
What was I thinking?
I like the Ghibli and Khamsin. The Bora I've always found ugly.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 24, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Yes, if it wasn't for the badging, it could very easily be mistaken for a Chevy Citation. Much more beautiful than a Khamsin, Bora, or a Ghibli.
What was I thinking?
You forget that '80s General Motors Generica is Wimmer's favorite design scheme.
Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
You forget that '80s General Motors Generica is Wimmer's favorite design scheme.
I don't forget, I just try to repress that knowledge because I find it disturbing.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2012, 03:37:17 PM
The Maserati Biturbo is to me the most beautiful Maserati ever made. Just a simple, yet totally elegant and classy/lovely design. Just look at it! :wub:
(http://www.italian-cars.com/html/tech/early/biturbo.jpg)
Auto Classic magazine promised me that if they ever have a Citroen SM or Maserati Biturbo owner in town, I'll be the photographer! :rockon:
:confused: :nutty:
Do you just love any car designed with a ruler?
I like the biturbo.
There's a reason why the E30 succeeded, and the Biturbo failed.
Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
You forget that '80s General Motors Generica is Wimmer's favorite design scheme.
If your parents gave you this baby for your birthday, would you say no? :wub:
(http://www.cargurus.com/images/2008/07/27/20/27/pic-43005.jpeg)
Actually I'm not a big fan of GM in the '80s. The only 1980s GM cars I think really looked awesome are:
(http://kbaott.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1980-Cadillac-Fleetwood-Brougham.jpg)
(http://www.imcdb.org/i140678.jpg)
(http://www.americanluxurycar.com/Olds98/images/1980/80_RegencySedan.jpg)
(http://stationwagonforums.com/forums/gallery/files/6/1980PontiacBonnevilleSafari.jpg)
And the Caprice Classic sedan/wagon which your parents will be giving you for your next birthday. Lucky bastard!!!
And I kind of think the Citation looked pretty cool to.
Quote from: Raza on June 25, 2012, 07:28:24 AM
:confused: :nutty:
Do you just love any car designed with a ruler?
Cars with straight lines can look awesome. The Biturbo and 1st gen. Lancia Delta are just a few of those cool cars that feature lots of straight lines.
But I generally love the Biturbo from a design point of view. A very elegant car. I recently saw a convertible Biturbo in Munich a few weeks ago. Looked awesome. :wub:
(http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/02/MaseratiBiturbo_700.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on June 25, 2012, 10:51:39 AM
There's a reason why the E30 succeeded, and the Biturbo failed.
The Biturbo didn't fail. It actually sold very strongly because it was priced to be affordable. It was a "mass market Maserati" if you will.
Also, the problems of the Biturbo can be fixed and cured [permanently] with a modern overhaul. The weakspots are known and there are solutions to the problems that aren't even that expensive. The classic car magazine I shoot for has already done a report on that in the past and as I found out on Sunday from the chief editor, the two Biturbo owners who participated use them as reliable daily drivers. A Biturbo can be made reliable with a little investment and IMO that's a good thing. They're such sexy cars.
If they ever do a story on a Biturbo again I'll be called on to photograph them. Man I love that car. :wub:
(http://www.lobanworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/maserati-biturbo_11.jpg)
^Put a Yaris next to that and then talk about design!^ :evildude:
I might be in the minority, but that's not awesome. It looks like a Chrysler Lebaron with Maserati logo.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 25, 2012, 06:22:45 PM
If your parents gave you this baby for your birthday, would you say no? :wub:
Yes, I absolutely would. ;)
Quote from: SVT666 on June 25, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
I might be in the minority, but that's not awesome. It looks like a Chrysler Lebaron with Maserati logo.
What about the latter versions of the Biturbo family?
Ghibli II(http://gtblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Maserati-Ghibli-II-front.jpg)
Maserati Shamal(http://www.autoepocanordest.it/images/Passione/MaseratiShamal.jpg)
Quote from: Rupert on June 25, 2012, 06:32:31 PM
Yes, I absolutely would. ;)
I think those are awesome. I grew up with those cars in the '80s watching...action movies. :lol:
But seriously, I think the '80s Caprice is a very elegant design. Simple, yet classy. Very elegant. I know people must think I am nuts, but I am honest about my feelings for those cars. :praise:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 25, 2012, 06:33:29 PM
What about the latter versions of the Biturbo family?
Ghibli II
(http://gtblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Maserati-Ghibli-II-front.jpg)
Maserati Shamal
(http://www.autoepocanordest.it/images/Passione/MaseratiShamal.jpg)
Those cars are to the Biturbo what the 944 and 951 were to the 924.
Quote from: Rupert on June 25, 2012, 06:46:32 PM
Those cars are to the Biturbo what the 944 and 951 were to the 924.
Yeah, pretty much. And they were also better built and more reliable than the original Biturbo. A client of mine has a blue Ghibli II which I hope to shoot soon.
Well, I'd rather have a 924 than a Biturbo, I can tell you that.
Quote from: Rupert on June 25, 2012, 06:54:38 PM
Well, I'd rather have a 924 than a Biturbo, I can tell you that.
Why own a 924 when you can own a 944? Which you already do! :lol:
One of the classic car owners yesterday has a 924 S. He claims that he can do 200 km/h (125 mph) on the Autobahn all day and that his 924 S will only consume 12 L / 100 km (19.6 mpg). I find that very hard to believe.
http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=27652.msg1739662#new
Why have a Biturbo when you can have a Ghibli II?
125 is pretty optimistic, but it's within believable range.
Quote from: Rupert on June 25, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Why have a Biturbo when you can have a Ghibli II?
PWNED. :lol:
I'd rather have a Biturbo, though. Looks simpler and better IMO. :wub:
Quote from: Rupert on June 25, 2012, 07:13:28 PM125 is pretty optimistic, but it's within believable range.
Well he has the 924 S and the German version might have different gear ratios that enable a top speed of 200 km/h (he said it was his top speed anyway). But the fuel consumption seems way to optimistic. When I'm blasting down the Autobahn at 200 km/h+ in my 1er it'll suck down gas at the rate like a Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 does while idling in traffic! :lol:
Yeah, sounds like he measured his mileage wrong.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 25, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
I might be in the minority, but that's not awesome. It looks like a Chrysler Lebaron with Maserati logo.
That's not fair.
This IS a Chrysler lebaron with a maserati logo, and it looks better.
(http://www.carfolio.com/images/dbimages/zgas/models/id/364/198x_tc2.jpg)
The Lebaron those years was a decently good looking car though, but the TC was such a piece of ridiculous badge-engineering BS I can't look at one without getting the heebie jeebies.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 25, 2012, 06:33:29 PM
What about the latter versions of the Biturbo family?
I actually like them a little better. I wouldn't mind having a Shamal actually, but I don't see it as a good design on its own merits. its interesting because it nails down a certain late '80s performance sedan look.
Yeah, I agree with that. Actually, both of the last two posts.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 25, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
That's not fair.
This IS a Chrysler lebaron with a maserati logo, and it looks better.
(http://www.carfolio.com/images/dbimages/zgas/models/id/364/198x_tc2.jpg)
The Lebaron those years was a decently good looking car though, but the TC was such a piece of ridiculous badge-engineering BS I can't look at one without getting the heebie jeebies.
And a Mitsubishi engine! :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 25, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
I actually like them a little better. I wouldn't mind having a Shamal actually, but I don't see it as a good design on its own merits. its interesting because it nails down a certain late '80s performance sedan look.
When I was growing up in the late '80s and early '90s, I thought the Shamal was one of the hottest cars on the road. Nowadays I think the design is awful. I think they took the beautiful basic shape of the Biturbo and added on weight in the form of thick plastic.
The Biturbo remains my favorite. :wub:
Uh oh, there goes the quality! :devil:
Toyota to build Yaris in France for North America
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/06/2012-toyota-yaris-628.jpg)
Toyota has already made it abundantly clear the company intends to scale back production in Japan in an attempt to combat the ever-strengthening Yen, and now it looks as if we know one of the ways the automaker plans to do so. Toyota has announced it will manufacture U.S. and Canadian-spec Yaris models in its Onnaing-Valenciennes facility in France. The plant has been producing the Yaris hatchback for European buyers since 2001, though this marks the first time in Toyota history that the automaker has built a vehicle in Europe and imported the model to the States.
North American-spec Yaris models differ slightly from their European counterparts. In addition to using different fascia designs front and rear, the NA model comes available with an automatic transmission and a market-specific 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine. There is some differentiation in safety equipment between the two models as well.
Japanese automakers have recently revealed that building cars in Japan and exporting them around the globe is quickly becoming a money-losing proposition. Honda has made it clear the company is seeking alternatives to producing models like the Fit and CR-Z in Japan due to the high costs associated with exporting the vehicles.
Link: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/25/toyota-to-build-yaris-in-france-for-north-america/
We have 2 French-built Yarises, one of which has been owned since 2002, and both very reliable and tight.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 26, 2012, 10:13:04 AM
We have 2 French-built Yarises, one of which has been owned since 2002, and both very reliable and tight.
I was being sarcastic...
I thought you were being serious -- you'd have a point since I think a lot of French cars feel cheap
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 26, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
I thought you were being serious -- you'd have a point since I think a lot of French cars feel cheap
Those from the '80s and '90s maybe, not the new ones. Love the new Citroens and Peugeots I've sat in at the dealerships. When you close the doors they feel solid to.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 26, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
I thought you were being serious -- you'd have a point since I think a lot of French cars feel cheap
French cars are the best. Renaultsport. :wub:
Quote from: Raza on June 26, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
French cars are the best. Renaultsport. :wub:
For your viewing pleasure. :ohyeah:
(http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/13368493.jpg)
(http://sacarfan.co.za/wp-content/gallery/renaultsport-megane-250/sacarfan-megane-rs-250-02.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WjYpJ_0ZuzA/TrrM04x0tJI/AAAAAAAABNg/l4RUJhu-fDw/s1600/Renault-Megane-Sport-dCi-175-4.jpg)
(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/9/2/0/0/9/9/Renault-Alpine-A110-474x316-0846aa8638b10f88.jpg)
(http://vintagedriving.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img1852-468x351.jpg)
More Biturbo love. :praise:
His First Maserati
A Biturbo in need of TLC!
This is a tale related to me by a Maserati owner who wishes to remain anonymous but whom I will refer to as George.
Ever since he was a teenager, George had always wanted to own an Italian sports car, but alas could never afford one. Then in January 1992 he saw a 1986 LHD Maserati Biturbo Coupe advertised at a very low price and his curiosity took him to London to see the car. George knew a 2 door coupe could never be described as a true sports car but he was now well past middle age and his priorities had changed somewhat. On seeing the car George was immediately struck by its looks. Here, he said, was a car with real racing pedigree but which looked very "run of the mill" in spite of it's metallic azzuro paint work, his favourite colour. Even the interior "Missione Azzuro" looked more at home in a gypsy caravan - with apologies to our Romany friends.
George still doesn't know why he bought the car, but it was cheap or so he first thought. The car had only 57,000Km on the clock and the interior was clean. However after it's first four years of life there were no further service records. He noticed a small void in the dashboard. The owner told George that it was for a clock but that the small clock had been stolen! Not a problem George thought. Biturbo owners will of course have guessed by now that George didn't really know Maseratis and hadn't done his homework. Big mistake!
George and the owner then took it for a test drive, during which time he discovered the reason for its somewhat attractive price. The engine sounded rough, very rough indeed and the gearbox didn't sound much better. The embarrassed owner told him he had not owned the car long and that it had not been regularly serviced, save for the MOT, because, "SURPRISE SURPRISE" there was no official Maserati agent near him. It was obvious that the owner had little knowledge of car mechanics and that being the case, wanted to "Get shot of It". The conversation which then followed included a lengthy description of the owner's divorce settlement, revealing that the car was just another poor victim of this saga. He could no longer afford the ex-wife, the mistress and most of all Maserati prices. This car was getting cheaper by the minute, or so George thought. At one point George was half expecting the owner to give him the keys and tell him to take it away, but he didn't.
His own financial situation and lack of mechanical knowledge had George wondering if it was really a very bright idea to buy the car, but there was something about this car that he really liked. After much haggling, in which the sight of crisp ?20 notes had done no harm at all, a suitable price was negotiated and off George went. He now owned his first Maserati. A childhood dream had been fulfilled or had a "nightmare" just begun? To this day George often wonders exactly who had been the happier that day as he drove off.
George had mixed feelings as he started the journey home. He had serious doubts about actually making it back. Then the most amusing thing, at least he thinks so now, happened. He was looking for a better driving position, and this wasn't easy in an Italian car when you are over 6ft tall, so he adjusted the driver's seat for a more comfortable position. Easy up, down, forwards, backwards it's all electric he thought. But wait a minute this is an Italian car not famous for it's reliability in the electrical department. WELL NEITHER WAS THIS MASERATI. As George adjusted the back of the seat, it just kept moving forwards until his nose was almost touching the windscreen. No matter how hard he tried to reverse this process the seat just wouldn't budge. George pulled over to the side of the road and investigated further. By now a burning smell was coming from the seat adjustment switch, so he managed to pull it out and disconnect the wires. Oh dear, what had he done by buying this car but he kept reassuring himself it was cheap. He then had the bright idea of changing the driver's seat with the passenger seat. He tried to remove the driver's seat but unfortunately as the fuse had blown, the all electric seat wouldn't budge preventing access to the retaining bolts at the rear of the seat. He then decided that his best option was to remove the retaining bolts at the front of the seat, allowing him to at least tilt the seat backwards a little. Having done his best to improve the situation, he continued his journey home. George wonders to this day what other drivers, in more sensible modes of transport, must have thought of his choice in cars, especially a Maserati with such a strange driving position. One can only imagine the look of disbelief in their eyes as George drove along with his chest up against the steering wheel, occasionally reaching behind to change gear and generally having a most uncomfortable time. After quite a struggle George and the car finally made it home, but George recalled that at the time, his back was no longer a 'Maserati enthusiast'.
George had always wanted to learn a thing or two about car mechanics and he was about to learn the hard way. After a lengthy search - did I mention the car didn't come with a handbook? - he located the fuse-box and the fuse was duly changed. The next day a visit to his nearest, about a hundred and fifty miles, Maserati dealer provided him with a new switch, at exorbitant cost, and his seating problem was solved. The rough sounding engine however proved a little more difficult to solve. George's friend Paul, a car mechanic who had worked on many exotic cars, couldn't wait to see this Maserati. He decided that the car was running a far too hot for his liking and recommended removing the cylinder heads, this he said would serve two purposes, one changing the cylinder head gaskets (he suspected a possible leak) would help with the cooling and two it would give them a chance to look at the condition of the engine . A service / repair manual and all necessary parts were purchased and the transformation began.
I should mention at this point that famous hole in the dash, you know the one for the clock. George had allowed himself a generous ?50 for the clock. It came as somewhat of a shock when he was quoted ?500 for the Lassale timepiece. Needless to say he drove around with that hole in the dash for some time.
The mechanical work progressed well save for the awkward exhaust bolts and once the heads were off, the engine was found to be in excellent condition. The head gaskets were duly changed but as they were replacing the spider like intake manifold they discovered a crack, a rather large one. The leaking manifold began to explain the rough sounding engine. The manifold was repaired and George remembers their relief when they had no parts left over after putting the engine back together. All plugs, oils, coolant and filters were changed and after a good engine clean, it was time to fire up. Why! Oh Why! do these cars take so long to start?
Once the car started off they went for the test drive, Paul drove as George thought he'd rather earned the honour. What a transformation! As Paul put his foot down George could see the twinkle in his eyes. Paul turned and looked at George and they realised what a bargain, save for the clock, George had bought. The car was a dream, very fast and its road holding amazing and the driving position was a lot better too. This was indeed a true Italian sports car and he enjoyed owning the Maserati. George said apart from routine maintenance, he had had no further serious problems with the car. He found another good home for the car seven years later.
Whatever happened to the clock? Well it would appear that some owners remove them and convert them into table clocks for the home. Another case of vandalism!
Link: http://www.maseratighibli.co.uk/home29.htm
Is it a prevailing european attitude that even older, out of warranty cars must always be serviced at the official agency for that car? I always get the feeling that independant service centers and backyard mechanics are quite a bit rarer than they are here.
Since this thread keeps getting bumped, here's a recent picture.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/483146_3423646316450_1816885651_n.jpg)
(darn that missing paint!)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/529543_3423678677259_2130794376_n.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 29, 2012, 04:11:46 PM
Is it a prevailing european attitude that even older, out of warranty cars must always be serviced at the official agency for that car? I always get the feeling that independant service centers and backyard mechanics are quite a bit rarer than they are here.
Official agency = original parts / know-how (generally), although there are many independent mechanics that can fix up special cars.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 29, 2012, 10:43:33 PM
Since this thread keeps getting bumped, here's a recent picture.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9755/3222332kopie.jpg)
Nice. What's under the hood? :praise:
Fast Fact:
Yaris fourm'ers are discovering that suspension members from the new 2012 Yaris fit the old 2007-2011 model generation (and vice versa).....with no modification.
Yeah, Toyota really didn't do much to this car at all.
Slow fact: Yaris.
Yaris is a theory, not a fact. Teach the debate. Make up your own mind.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 02, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Fast Fact:
Yaris fourm'ers are discovering that suspension members from the new 2012 Yaris fit the old 2007-2011 model generation (and vice versa).....with no modification.
Yeah, Toyota really didn't do much to this car at all.
Why would they? It's a cheap go-mobile that turns and stops, who cares about camber angles or whatever the fuck as long as it doesn't jack up and roll over into ditches.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 02, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
Why would they? It's a cheap go-mobile that turns and stops, who cares about camber angles or whatever the fuck as long as it doesn't jack up and roll over into ditches.
Everyone else is all new for this generation. The Yaris is really the same as it was in 2007; same 4AT and 5MT from the old car. (and the old Echo)
I looked at the accessory belts today (after hearing a squeal and then the battery charge light coming on then going right out).
Egad! (I need to get this done)
I'm finding out that the AC compressor will kick on and the belt will tend to slip a little.
weaksauce
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
I'm finding out that the AC compressor will kick on and the belt will tend to slip a little.
I thought Toyota's were supposed to be reliable? Man, your car sure has a lot of hiccups! :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on July 05, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
I thought Toyota's were supposed to be reliable? Man, your car sure has a lot of hiccups! :lol:
Accessory/Serpentine belts wear out on any car. My car is nearing 80K, stuff like this will need to be done. I looked at the belt today, it's really frayed.
I know for a fact my brake pads are going to need to be done within the next 10K miles.
Is that a fast fact?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 05, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
Is that a fast fact?
No. But this is:
Fast Fact: Basic level Toyota Vios don't come with airbags.
8K check in:
- Airbag light is still on (clockspring)
- Cooling fan works fine
- it seems like I got all problems with early MY cars, clockspring and alternator are trouble spots for this car
- new alternator/accessory belt (belt looked really bad anyways)
- still at 40MPG
- the transmission is still the worst I have ever used; I thought something was broken, but the fluid change back in march (plus me driving a BRAND NEW Scion xD off the lot and having the same sensation) has convinced me that Toyota puts terrible-feeling MT shifts in their passenger cars. Dealer said there was nothing arwy with my tranny flush; no metal shavings. There are pages upon pages of people with Yarises, Corollas, Matrixes and the rare MT Camry complaining of "grinding" only to find out from Toyota proper that the transmission just "feels that way". With the new fluid, the car shifts 'normally'.
Otherwise, I have no complaints with this car. It ate some of my money within the first few weeks of ownership, but considering that I have driven the piss out of it, and it's superb on gas, I can't really complain. Wish the gearbox was better.
Even though it seems like the car has been a minor PITA, I'm glad you like it. They really aren't such bad cars. The one thing I absolutely fucking hate about it is the center-mounted gauge cluster.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 26, 2012, 04:58:15 PM
Even though it seems like the car has been a minor PITA, I'm glad you like it. They really aren't such bad cars. The one thing I absolutely fucking hate about it is the center-mounted gauge cluster.
It has taken me awhile to get used to that, especially at night. At night, there is an odd darkness directly in front of the driver (instead of the glow from the gauges).
Also, I still am not totally used to the clutch/accelerator relationship. Throttle is electronic; the ECU tends to hold onto revvs wayy too high for my tastes. It also does some annoying things when trying to get started from a stop.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
I'm finding out that the AC compressor will kick on and the belt will tend to slip a little.
This is nothing to worry about- until it starts tearing up your belt.
but, you can still replac a whole boxful of belts for the price of one AC compressor.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 26, 2012, 05:12:59 PM
This is nothing to worry about- until it starts tearing up your belt.
but, you can still replac a whole boxful of belts for the price of one AC compressor.
I fixed that.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 26, 2012, 04:58:15 PM
Even though it seems like the car has been a minor PITA, I'm glad you like it. They really aren't such bad cars. The one thing I absolutely fucking hate about it is the center-mounted gauge cluster.
I tried getting used to that on a Mini. I really wanted to accept that the gauges were in the wrong place because the rest of the car was so fun.
alas, I am too narrow minded.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 26, 2012, 05:25:16 PM
I tried getting used to that on a Mini. I really wanted to accept that the gauges were in the wrong place because the rest of the car was so fun.
alas, I am too narrow minded.
The Mini's dashboard is totally un-ergonomic, though. The Yaris's gauge cluster is high up and angled towards the driver.
Damn, 8k miles in 4 months? I'm lucky if my car sees that much in a year!
Quote from: thecarnut on July 26, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
Damn, 8k miles in 4 months? I'm lucky if my car sees that much in a year!
I'm a delivery driver, and most of my friends live 10 miles away at least. I drive around 200 miles a week, give or take.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 26, 2012, 05:26:31 PM
The Yaris's gauge cluster is high up and angled towards the driver.
One less reason to get a BMW. The Yaris is clearly a drivers car and so much more reliable! :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on July 26, 2012, 05:26:31 PM
The Mini's dashboard is totally un-ergonomic, though. The Yaris's gauge cluster is high up and angled towards the driver.
+1
One of the best design features I've seen on a car
+1
Center gauges piss me off, especially in Toyotions.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 27, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
+1
One of the best design features I've seen on a car
It does leave a nice emptiness directly in front of the driver. It's really ergonomic, but it does take a bit of time to get used to.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 29, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
It does leave a nice emptiness directly in front of the driver. It's really ergonomic, but it does take a bit of time to get used to.
i think it's much easier to read as you don't have to refocus , it's in your line of sight already
Hurry up and get one of those cold-air intakes. You will be impressed.
I'd rather get suspension parts. The rear end steps out a lot easier than Focus. CR complained about this.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 05, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
I'd rather get suspension parts. The rear end steps out a lot easier than Focus. CR complained about this.
Your and idiot if you think the rear end steps out too easily. You have no idea what you're doing with suspension, so just leave it alone.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 05, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
Your and idiot if you think the rear end steps out too easily. You have no idea what you're doing with suspension, so just leave it alone.
Too easily? I think it's wonderful.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 05, 2012, 05:30:38 PM
Too easily? I think it's wonderful.
But if that's how it is, why change it?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 05, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
Your and idiot if you think the rear end steps out too easily. You have no idea what you're doing with suspension, so just leave it alone.
all you gotta do is cut that coily thing right?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 05, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
But if that's how it is, why change it?
I want to amplifiy it. The springs are so freaking soft; loads of body roll.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 05, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
I want to amplifiy it. The springs are so freaking soft; loads of body roll.
You will crash it
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 05, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
You will crash it
By amplify, I mean not make it feel so sloppy.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 05, 2012, 09:18:30 PM
By amplify, I mean not make it feel so sloppy.
Been there, doing that. Do what I do, not what I did. Our cars are like the same. You live in Ohio, where the roads are piles of shit. Stiff springs lowering will be miserable, so of course you don't want. I want OEM Accent SE sprimgs and shocks because 40% stiffer than the GS trim, but still OE quality - though the parts are $700. You could use better shocks, a +1 on the wheels/tires, and mebbey sway bars. I would do shocks n sways on mine if there were any good ones. Pretty sure Yarii have a much better aftymarket.
I still think you should get a Maserati Biturbo as a second car. Just in case the Toyota breaks down or something. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 07, 2012, 05:56:31 AM
I still think you should get a Maserati Biturbo as a second car. Just in case the Toyota breaks down or something. :lol:
The problem is that it wouldn't start when asked to.
Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2012, 06:47:18 PM
The problem is that it wouldn't start when asked to.
Great way to meet chicks. You're trying to start the car and some hot babe walks over and asks if she can help you. You know what happens next. Those Biturbos have a comfy backseat... :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 17, 2012, 01:11:47 PM
Great way to meet chicks. You're trying to start the car and some hot babe walks over and asks if she can help you. You know what happens next. Those Biturbos have a comfy backseat... :ohyeah:
I suspect you've been watching too many porno films!
I'm pretty sure most girls walk away laughing when a guy's car won't start.
Quote from: Madman on August 17, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
I suspect you've been watching too many porno films!
Nope, but you just gave me an idea!
Biturbo Love - directorial debut of Christian Wimmer. :winkguy:
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 17, 2012, 09:37:12 PM
I'm pretty sure most girls walk away laughing when a guy's car won't start.
Mean girls!
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 18, 2012, 03:20:25 AM
Nope, but you just gave me an idea!
Biturbo Love - directorial debut of Christian Wimmer. :winkguy:
Pun intended?
Six month check in
I'm about to hit 10,000 miles in my ownership pretty soon. I quit JJ's, so my driving is going to go way down, and in turn wear and tear on the car.
- clockspring is still broken, found the part for $150
- I need new tires
- The paint on the front bumper is peeling badly; must be a Toyota thing. My brother's 2002 Corolla has almost no paint on the entire front fascia, hood, and part of the roof.
Otherwise, I'm pretty happy. I want to do some handling mods when I get the car paid off.
Our Camry never had paint peeling issues.
My brother's Corolla had really awful paint. Might just be a problem with cheaper models or maybe with cars kept outdoors most of the time.
Is it light blue?
For some reason light blue paint always seems to peel.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 15, 2012, 09:27:02 PM
Is it light blue?
For some reason light blue paint always seems to peel.
My brother's Corolla is dark blue.
My brother's was a dark blue '98 (so same generation).
Am I remembering correctly that your front bumper had been a replacement part? Do you know if it's OEM or a replica?
Quote from: ifcar on September 16, 2012, 07:12:04 AM
Am I remembering correctly that your front bumper had been a replacement part? Do you know if it's OEM or a replica?
I THINK it's an OEM, but it may be a replica. I think it may be a cheaply done replica, but judging from the lack of paint on my brother's 2002 all-original Corolla, I'm not sure.
OK, so hear me out on this.
I've been thinking and talking to my parents, and I'm considering fixing the couple issues (airbag clockspring and the bumper paint) and possibly selling the Yaris within 6months to a year.
Before you jump to the conclusion of OMG WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS Consider
- This car has appreciated in value ~1000 dollars since I've purchased it in march.
- I can get a car from my job for cheap (can't say exactly how much, but obviously less, typically considerably less than retail); Example - we have a 2011 Cruze 6MT on our lot for 13K; my price would be cheaper. I would be getting a two-year old car in warranty for cheap with far fewer miles.
My car is worth about 8K. I figure if I sell it for that much, plus a little savings I could be playing with about 10-11K. I have around 5K left on my loan. That's a nice little chunk left over on the sale, plus savings. Granted, I would be starting back where I was six months ago in terms of the loan, but I would be doing so with a newer car possibly in warranty.
It's just a thought, and I could go either way.
OK, but does anybody EVER pay the price on the car anyways?
Be wary of just how much of a deal the dealership is going to cut you "because you're an employee."
But, if you actually can sell the car for a profit, and if its somethign you relly want to do: go ahead and do it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 05, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
OK, but does anybody EVER pay the price on the car anyways?
Yes, yes they do. We're a "no haggle" dealer. We don't come down much at all.
Be wary of just how much of a deal the dealership is going to cut you "because you're an employee."
That's true, but the prices are pretty set. We're a "no haggle" dealer.
But, if you actually can sell the car for a profit, and if its somethign you relly want to do: go ahead and do it.
A dealership that advertises "no haggling" conjures up the same images as a dealership that the word "honest" somewhere in the name. :devil:
12K check in
My commute has changed, plus the introduction of winter gas means my MPG has gone from 34MPG mixed, to about 31-32.
I love the ride; this car has a smooth and soft ride that makes it a peach to drive all day on the freeway. I think that's why I hate the current gen Fit; after 45 minutes, the car was so taxing I just couldn't stand to be in it any longer. It's loud, and it made my back hurt.
Yet again, no real complaints except this:
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It used to look like this
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Whoever did the accident repair needs to be beaten with a ballpeen hammer; I had a shop guy look at it today. The guy took some seriously bad shortcuts to fix the car.
However, everything behind the bumper cover is 100%; frame rails are straight, the car tracks straight as an arrow so I'm not really upset at all....and I still like the vehicle so :huh:
"this car has a smooth and soft ride that makes it a peach to drive all day on the freeway."
You're a strange guy :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 08, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
"this car has a smooth and soft ride that makes it a peach to drive all day on the freeway."
You're a strange guy :lol:
I do a lot of freeway cruising (somewhat) and I want my car to be comfortable at 70MPH. The Fit made my back hurt. :huh:
Quote from: 2o6 on November 08, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
12K check in
My commute has changed, plus the introduction of winter gas means my MPG has gone from 34MPG mixed, to about 31-32.
I love the ride; this car has a smooth and soft ride that makes it a peach to drive all day on the freeway. I think that's why I hate the current gen Fit; after 45 minutes, the car was so taxing I just couldn't stand to be in it any longer. It's loud, and it made my back hurt.
Yet again, no real complaints except this:
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It used to look like this
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Whoever did the accident repair needs to be beaten with a ballpeen hammer; I had a shop guy look at it today. The guy took some seriously bad shortcuts to fix the car.
However, everything behind the bumper cover is 100%; frame rails are straight, the car tracks straight as an arrow so I'm not really upset at all....and I still like the vehicle so :huh:
You sure you didn't hit something?
Improper prep. You're not supposed to just throw paint on a plastic bumper cover.
just peel it all off and pretend it's supposed to be black.
Yaris wants to be black.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 08, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
just peel it all off and pretend it's supposed to be black.
I've gotten a lot of it off already. It's only $300 for a body guy to repaint it.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
Improper prep. You're not supposed to just throw paint on a plastic bumper cover.
The matched the color well enough, though. I'm probably going to buy the front lip for the S bodykit, too.
First things first: Tires.
Problem solved......
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Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
Improper prep. You're not supposed to just throw paint on a plastic bumper cover.
+1
The vast majority of car bumpers are thermoplastic polyolefins. Jack shit sticks to it unless you treat it. Adhesive, paint, nothing. Gotta flame or plasma treat it.
Herculiner
$220 for a new set of tires. Going to flip a car, then use the proceeds to pay for paintwork and maybe airbag clockspring.
Might drive the car for a little while to keep miles off of the Yaris.
Get something cool, like a Ranger Rover. I hear those are easy to flip.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 08, 2012, 11:01:10 PM
Might drive the car for a little while to keep miles off of the Yaris.
:wtf:
You're supposed to drive and flip crappy cars while keeping the miles off a GOOD car. :lol:
??? What are you talking about?
Quote from: 2o6 on November 09, 2012, 09:16:25 AM
??? What are you talking about?
I don't think he understands that the Yaris is the good car and that you want to put miles on the crappy flippy car.
20 minutes + a garden hose
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Maybe labor for the bumper might go down since so little paint is left. These guys are hacks whoever did it. I found dirt and gravel underneath the paint, and the majority of the bumper is gloss smooth.
It should look like this
Minus fog lights and spoiler
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Maaco is running their $99 bumper special! That'll save you $200!!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 10, 2012, 06:17:28 PM
Maaco is running their $99 bumper special! That'll save you $200!!
Until the same thing happens again in 6 months. :lol:
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 10, 2012, 07:22:56 PM
Until the same thing happens again in 6 months. :lol:
Yeah, but by then they'll be running another $99 bumper special...
Purchased!
Took a little bit, dealer ordered the wrong part the first time, but now it's OK.
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Sadly, the instructions are in Japanese. However, the illustrations are pretty straightforward. Looks like the tard who actually "fixed" the car, cut off the edges of the S lip and left these two awkward patches that I thought were mud guards on the front of the car. There are some really crapola hacks out there.
Fixed!
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$190 for lip
$250 for paint
Holy paint job.
Race car?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
Holy paint job.
Race car?
Yeah, the guy did a pretty good job, considering the price. He does all the new car scratch/dent/minor paint repair on our new cars (and some customer vehicles). He cut me a deal (actually, it was a side job in his company's warehouse/spray booth) and he had my car about a day....and new paint!
The lip was originally $260, but because the parts guy ordered the wrong part, he took some $$$ off for convenience.
Is your hood open?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2012, 06:11:13 PM
Is your hood open?
It's misaligned. In some shots, it's obvious, others it isn't.
I'm not sure if it's because of the accident, or because of crapola Toyota panel gaps. I've noticed numerous Yarises with odd looking hoods, most of them 2007 cars.
Ummm, that's definitely from an accident. Nothing is leaving the factory like that.
Quote from: MrH on December 14, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Ummm, that's definitely from an accident. Nothing is leaving the factory like that.
Let me feel better about myself, OK? :lol:
In this angle, it doesn't look so bad (and notice, that was the ONLY peeling paint the car had when I bought it!) I will take a picture when it's brighter out.
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I didn't realize you had such sweet aftermarket rims.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2012, 06:20:11 PM
I didn't realize you had such sweet aftermarket rims.
And I just put new Firestone FR710's on them, so I should be good to go for awhile. I've put around 13K on it so far, and it's treated me pretty well. Tracks straight as an arrow, returns 34-35MPG mixed (although winter gas has brought this down to 32-33) and I think it handles decently.
I like the wheels a whole lot more than stock. I also like the fact that my car doesn't have that ugly as heck wing spoiler.
"Wing spoiler!"
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on December 14, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
"Wing spoiler!"
:lol:
It generates lift, but creates downforce.
15K check in....
No new problems; MPG has dropped due to winter gas and increased idling. I'm seeing a solid 34MPG mixed of around 50/50 freeway and city. Highest I've recorded is around 40MPG on a trip early December. If I put my foot in it, it really does suck fuel above 75MPH, though.
I put new tires on it (no, I'm not putting 6 different used tires on it like I did with the Focus :lol:) and it's pretty fine in the wet now. (Firestone FR710)
Snow driving isn't the greatest; it's better than some other cars I've driven, but the car is fairly light and the steering is vague and the clutch is still unforgiving. The Focus and Neon are wayy better in this regard. My work's Chevy Cruze is a tank in snow (that extra 1000 lbs comes in handy)
I feel like an idiot; I used to almost never stall with the Focus. The auto choke in the Yaris coupled with the world's vaguest clutch makes me stall all the time.
Aside from some stone chips, the $250 paintjob is holding up very well; the car looks pretty much like new.
I love the ride quality.
I love the predictable, if not sloppy, rear end step out characteristic
I love the engine.
I hate the shifter. And I hate the clutch.
I hate the stupid gas gauge that lies. It'll show full for sometimes over 80 miles, then it drops rapidly.
Paid in full.
Are you planning on working during college? You might want to see if you can get by without a car when you go to college. Colleges typically charge an arm and a leg for parking, and public transportation + biking might be a more palatable option. I got by for a couple years without one, 'twas fine (though I played a LOT more GT3 to make up for it!)
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Are you planning on working during college? You might want to see if you can get by without a car when you go to college. Colleges typically charge an arm and a leg for parking, and public transportation + biking might be a more palatable option. I got by for a couple years without one, 'twas fine (though I played a LOT more GT3 to make up for it!)
Akrons parking is integrated into tuition. IDK about OSU or otber schools.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 01, 2013, 11:30:29 AM
Akrons parking is integrated into tuition. IDK about OSU or otber schools.
Akron is a commuter school, isn't it?
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2013, 11:31:29 AM
Akron is a commuter school, isn't it?
Yes ish, but theres a huge push to get more residents .
Well, just keep an open mind about going carless for a while whatever your next situation is.
Wouldn't he still need to work though? But not having a car would save him a lot of money though.
Public transit might work fine for that. Might.
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2013, 02:35:35 PM
Public transit might work fine for that. Might.
This is Ohio. Chimp had a car for a reason.
Remember, in going to work and school I end up driving 300 miles a week. Ive put on 15K in my car in one year.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 01, 2013, 02:45:30 PM
This is Ohio. Chimp had a car for a reason.
Remember, in going to work and school I end up driving 300 miles a week. Ive put on 15K in my car in one year.
Ouch, can you find part time work at school that pays decently well? Or anywhere close to school?
Parking on the far west lot at OSU only ran like $60-80 for a school year.
And you don't want to live in Columbus where you have to take the bus. Nothing goes on the highway and hell if you ever see more than one bus on the same route in the stretch of five or six miles. Columbus proper is ghettooooo. Dublin or Westerville would be a nice place to live to go to OSU.
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Are you planning on working during college? You might want to see if you can get by without a car when you go to college. Colleges typically charge an arm and a leg for parking, and public transportation + biking might be a more palatable option. I got by for a couple years without one, 'twas fine (though I played a LOT more GT3 to make up for it!)
I did the same thing for the year I didn't have a car. I actually went out and bought a PS2 and GT4 as soon as I sold the car because I knew I would need something to keep me from buying
another busted-ass old car.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 14, 2013, 07:30:56 AM
I hate the stupid gas gauge that lies. It'll show full for sometimes over 80 miles, then it drops rapidly.
So that's how Toyota's pass the EPA tests! :vapors:
I've had this car a year
- Airbag clockspring is still broken. Meh. I'll fix it eventually.
otherwise, the car runs like a top. No problems at all. It's eaten up pretty much everything I've thrown at it. Maybe if I get some extra $$$ maybe a small subwoofer? Swaybar/Springs/Shocks (the TRD ones are dirt cheap), but otherwise, I plan on driving it for awhile.
Car is approaching 90K, and I bought it with 72K....
~not quite 25K check in.
I'm at 95,XXX, and I'm about to hit 100K here soon.
- Front bumper paint is peeling again; guy fucked me over.
- I need brakes.
- 3rd gear synchro is still crunchy.
- I don't plan on repairing the rear bumper cover damage from my accident a few weeks ago.
Otherwise, I really have done only oil changes and tire rotations. I'd say it's been pretty good to me, I'm actually really attached to it now....I mean I've LIVED in the damn thing; literally. Not the best car dynamically, but it's reliable and fuel efficient. Not going to lie, I could see myself buying another Yaris if mine got totaled or when the car finally wears out.
Still dancing on the ceiling?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 30, 2013, 09:30:16 PM
Still dancing on the ceiling?
I've been stuck mid-jump for three weeks now.
The Yaris is space efficient, but I hate driving it.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2013, 11:49:29 AM
The Yaris is space efficient, but I hate driving it.
I like driving mine. :huh:
It feels nervous over 65mph. Might be the tires, but my car feels more composed at 120mph than it does at 75mph.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
It feels nervous over 65mph. Might be the tires, but my car feels more composed at 120mph than it does at 75mph.
Sedan or hatch?
Its not the most surefooted car, but I feel comfortable doing cruises at 80+ MPH.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 30, 2013, 09:34:12 PM
I've been stuck mid-jump for three weeks now.
LOLLL
You know, for the split second I thought about selling it, I fell back in love with it today.
Yeah, the synchros are shitty, and the clutch/auto choke relationship is awkward
Yeah, the paint is fucked up, and I should have gotten the rear repaired when I had the chance
....but I like it. I can count on it to reliably get 35+ MPG.
No it doesn't handle the best, but it's hella predictable, and I've had plenty of "Oh SHIT" moments in this car (like today, when I almost understeered into a Grand Cherokee).
The car is very soft, but the steering is easy to place, and the rear rotates around pretty gradually
And I've put on like 30K miles (not quite) and yet again.....only minor bumps and bruises.
Yes, the 1.5L is slow as shit; I got embarrassed when I did an impromptu drag race against my friend with is '02 CR-V AWD
That Civic Si, although a nice car, I almost don't feel like it was as big of an upgrade as I thought. Yes, it will drive circles around mine, but I just like my Slow-ass Yaris more.
Maybe I'm getting all gushy and sentimental; hell I've lived in this car. Literally.
I hold it to my goddamn heart, and although I joke about it getting totaled and buying something new.....I would be fucking devastated. And I'd probably buy another one.
A lot of that applied to my 90 Camry. Not a great car but it was right for me at the time (and my wallet)
I like my Lexus. Everyone hates it. I like it.
Nobody hates it, it's just not interesting.
Dead
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:( :( :(
What happened?
Quote from: Raza on February 21, 2014, 10:56:30 AM
He slammed into a Toyota Highlander.
Judging by the debris, I'd say the Highlander was stopped in the right lane.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 21, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
Judging by the debris, I'd say the Highlander was stopped in the right lane.
Perhaps it was near a stoplight and he rear-ended it? I dunno.
What happened, Kevin?
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 21, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
Perhaps it was near a stoplight and he rear-ended it? I dunno.
What happened, Kevin?
Not seeing any debris behind the car to indicate it was hit from behind.
I hit a Highlander on my way to work.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 21, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
Judging by the debris, I'd say the Highlander was stopped in the right lane.
He was probably distracted by trying to turn someone gay or having one of his female-like gay problems, like getting his period or something like that. Maybe he was watching
To Wong Foo on his cell phone.
(Is it too early to joke about this? I already expressed my condolences in the Chat thread.)
Damn dude! Sorry!
The passenger compartment looks like it held up OK.
It might be salvagable
I missed the bumper support, and the car runs fine. Tracks fine.
It'll need a
- bumper cover
- Hood and hood latch
- Upper and lower core support
- AC condenser lines
- radiataor and associated fan and resovoir
My friend is putting an engine in his AE86 and is nearly done. He's got a 2000 Corolla that needs a new motor and a '95 Civic that just has had head gasket work done.
We might get it fixed and then dump it.
Holy shit, dude! I hope you (and the people in the other car) are okay? I'm assuming insurance will pay out?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
It might be salvagable
Forget it. There's too much there that needs to be fixed and, besides, do you really want to drive anything that has sustained that amount of damage? I wouldn't.
It looks worse than it is
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 06:37:02 PM
It looks worse than it is
I could fix it for probably $300.
Found an automatic Yaris that looks identical to mine with a blown engine.
Motor Swap then sell it
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 07:33:20 PM
Found an automatic Yaris that looks identical to mine with a blown engine.
Motor Swap then sell it
Have you done research? I'd be surprised if there is a fair amount different between an AT car and MT car. In this day and age there will probably be wiring, ECU and accessory differences. I wouldn't be surprised if there were engine differences (oil pan, bell housing, etc.) too considering how compact a FWD transaxle is.
Quote from: GoCougs on February 21, 2014, 08:33:56 PM
Have you done research? I'd be surprised if there is a fair amount different between an AT car and MT car. In this day and age there will probably be wiring, ECU and accessory differences. I wouldn't be surprised if there were engine differences (oil pan, bell housing, etc.) too considering how compact a FWD transaxle is.
There shouldn't be. Toyota isn't known for doing that, at least not with anything that takes the 1ZZ (1.8L Corolla and kin).
Even minus all accessories, the block and everything else is identical. Even if we needed to purchase something, it's a lot easier to do this than scrap the entire car.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 07:33:20 PM
Found an automatic Yaris that looks identical to mine with a blown engine.
Motor Swap then sell it
Why bother? Just take the insurance money and buy another (running) car.
I'm pretty sure there is no insurance money
Quote from: Madman on February 21, 2014, 08:44:26 PM
Why bother? Just take the insurance money and buy another (running) car.
Liability only, I don't get any money
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
There shouldn't be. Toyota isn't known for doing that, at least not with anything that takes the 1ZZ (1.8L Corolla and kin).
Even minus all accessories, the block and everything else is identical. Even if we needed to purchase something, it's a lot easier to do this than scrap the entire car.
At the very least, you're going to have to swap the flexplate and flywheel, and more than likely there will be differences in the ECU pin-out. But, its the kind of thing that can be done fairly simply, if you do your homework on it.
I don't see you coming out ahead of simply selling the car as-is though
Offered 1900
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 09:10:43 PM
Offered 1900
You were offered $1900 for your car? Or you offered $1900 for the Craigslist car?
For my car
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
For my car
Take it.
$1900 gets you a lot closer to a running car than two broken Yarisses.
Yep
Oh holy sweet baby Jesus take the $1,900 and run man...
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Liability only, I don't get any money
Ouch, that sucks.
Quote from: GoCougs on February 21, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
Oh holy sweet baby Jesus take the $1,900 and run man...
uh duh
Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2014, 10:10:45 PM
uh duh
Dang I sold my Accord for $2,000 and it only had a hand sized dent.
Lol, who knew the Yaris would become the new 90's Civic
Sold. (1500, which in the grand scheme of things is not bad at all)
The car is headed to Chicago.
If you Chicago area Spinners see a Silver Yaris Sedan, do not buy it.
Are they going to part it?