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Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Catman on May 31, 2005, 06:15:14 AM
This weekend I saw two Jetta's on the road, the first I've seen outside the net.  I will say that I was much more impressed than I was when I saw the first pics.  It doesn't look as long in real life.  It's not tremendous or anything but certainly not as disappointing as I thought.  It will definately need some clear mask over that grill chrome though.
 
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Fire It Up on May 31, 2005, 06:42:51 AM
Yeah, I've seen a few of those, and theire good-looking, but theres something about it that should be changed, yet I cant put my finger on it... And have you noticed this?
(http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/48200511135.jpg)
(http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/corolla/gallery/exterior/photo_4.jpg)
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/1119200419342385.jpg)
(http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/corolla/gallery/exterior/photo_1.jpg)
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: SJ_GTI on May 31, 2005, 07:35:31 AM
They are very popular here in Montreal. I see several per day just commuting to/from work. I think they look great in person, though they are rather large. I think they are about the same size as my A4 now (maybe this is a good thing for Jetta buyers though).
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:56:09 AM
rear over hang is ghastly...
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: TBR on May 31, 2005, 10:57:25 AM
I guess they look okay, but my real problem with them is their high price and poor performance.
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Post by: pnwbeers on May 31, 2005, 01:15:08 PM
I agree that they look much better in person than in pictures.  When the diesel and turbo models are released, I'll take a more serious look.
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Post by: Raza on May 31, 2005, 01:23:15 PM
I don't mind them.  They're just too expensive.  Unless VW is planning to slot a new model below the Jetta, they're moving too far upmarket with this car.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 02:43:59 PM
QuoteYeah, I've seen a few of those, and theire good-looking, but theres something about it that should be changed, yet I cant put my finger on it... And have you noticed this?
(http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/48200511135.jpg)
(http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/corolla/gallery/exterior/photo_4.jpg)
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/1119200419342385.jpg)
(http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/corolla/gallery/exterior/photo_1.jpg)
Approximately everyone has noticed and mentioned that.  ;)  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 02:46:17 PM
As to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: mazda6er on May 31, 2005, 02:54:44 PM
QuoteAs to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.
I don't know about sportier. The previous version was certainly sportier than a Corolla, but I'm not sure that's still true.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 03:15:14 PM
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QuoteAs to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.
I don't know about sportier. The previous version was certainly sportier than a Corolla, but I'm not sure that's still true.
The Jetta has better steering feedback, but that's about it.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 03:42:49 PM
QuoteAs to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.
That very much sums it up.  VW should have priced it a lot more competitively.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Catman on May 31, 2005, 04:23:24 PM
Yeah, the price is not competitive at all.   :(  
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Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 05:32:33 PM
price is also ghastly...
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: SJ_GTI on May 31, 2005, 06:05:10 PM
I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 06:12:47 PM
QuoteI am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.
getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: SJ_GTI on May 31, 2005, 06:20:31 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 06:21:26 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:03:55 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:05:41 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
no, but like mtl said, if you're gonna get a frontrak, you might as well get a passat. it's also a disgrace because audi's known for their quattro.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 07:06:33 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:07:41 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 07:11:45 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:18:33 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:20:32 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
Why the intense hatred?
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Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:21:37 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
Why the intense hatred?
cos it's not balanced.
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Post by: ifcar on May 31, 2005, 07:27:42 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
It was so obviously a joke, that a " :lol: " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o  
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Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:28:59 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
It was so obviously a joke, that a " :lol: " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o
i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.
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Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:39:08 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
It was so obviously a joke, that a " :lol: " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o
i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.
Now you are changing the story...you said all LR's a junk and unreliable, and I flamed you for that.  Then you said it was a joke, and there was a personal war, but once you said it was a "joke" albeit a bad one, I knew what your intention was.
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Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:41:03 PM
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getting a frontrak is a disgrace...
Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.
exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.
Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??
In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.
i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...
I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  ;)
you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.
It was so obviously a joke, that a " :lol: " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o
i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.
Now you are changing the story...you said all LR's a junk and unreliable, and I flamed you for that.  Then you said it was a joke, and there was a personal war, but once you said it was a "joke" albeit a bad one, I knew what your intention was.
but you didn't understand it was a joke for a while.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:43:44 PM
I full well understood it was a "joke", but there was a personal war between us for a little regarding stuff besides that particular post which set it off.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:46:03 PM
QuoteI full well understood it was a "joke", but there was a personal war between us for a little regarding stuff besides that particular post which set it off.
there was?
o right, like my whoring.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:48:40 PM
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there was?
o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:49:28 PM
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there was?
o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
well, that was unneccessary. :angry:  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:50:33 PM
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there was?
o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
well, that was unneccessary. :angry:
Take it easy, it was a joke ;)  
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Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:51:30 PM
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there was?
o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
well, that was unneccessary. :angry:
Take it easy, it was a joke ;)
i was joking, as evidenced by my 'frowny'. :lol:  
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Post by: BMWDave on May 31, 2005, 07:52:05 PM
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o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
well, that was unneccessary. :angry:
Take it easy, it was a joke ;)
i was joking, as evidenced by my 'frowny'. :lol:
I see :blink:  :lol:  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 07:52:37 PM
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o right, like my whoring.
Now you got it.
well, that was unneccessary. :angry:
Take it easy, it was a joke ;)
i was joking, as evidenced by my 'frowny'. :lol:
I see :blink:  :lol:
:P  :P  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: socalcookie on May 31, 2005, 09:31:02 PM
I'm starting to see a few of them around.  The local dealer has about 15 on the lot.  That's just a guess as seen from the freeway.  
I acutally saw one on the shoulder of the freeway with a flat about the week after they first came to dealers. :P

The only thing really keeping me from liking the car is the price(:blink: ).
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on May 31, 2005, 11:50:31 PM
for the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: SJ_GTI on June 01, 2005, 07:35:24 AM
Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on June 01, 2005, 07:50:02 AM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: MX793 on June 01, 2005, 09:38:32 AM
I've seen a couple in person and they do look a little better in the flesh than in photos.  They also look a bit less Corolla-ish in person.  I still think the outgoing car is much better looking, though.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on June 01, 2005, 10:10:14 AM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
That pretty much goes without saying.  But the VW might be a more solid car.  I drove a TSX, and I felt vibrations in the car, which did not feel too good.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Raghavan on June 01, 2005, 10:44:56 PM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
That pretty much goes without saying.  But the VW might be a more solid car.  I drove a TSX, and I felt vibrations in the car, which did not feel too good.
vibrations as in road feedback?
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on June 02, 2005, 05:01:05 AM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
That pretty much goes without saying.  But the VW might be a more solid car.  I drove a TSX, and I felt vibrations in the car, which did not feel too good.
vibrations as in road feedback?
No.  The whole car felt like it was vibrating slightly, somehow akin to what you'd feel in a school bus, I guess, just not that bad.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: mazda6er on June 02, 2005, 08:23:24 AM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
That pretty much goes without saying.  But the VW might be a more solid car.  I drove a TSX, and I felt vibrations in the car, which did not feel too good.
vibrations as in road feedback?
No.  The whole car felt like it was vibrating slightly, somehow akin to what you'd feel in a school bus, I guess, just not that bad.
That's not cool. So the road wasn't choppy? Where you attempting to drive a manual for the first time or something? Was this off of a lot (as in brand-new)? Because sometimes cars will be a little rough until you break them in. How was the rest of the driving experience, especially handling?
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on June 02, 2005, 11:08:28 AM
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Quotefor the price of a 200hp GLI, you could get a saab 9-3 or acura TSX, and others, cars with much better prestige than the vw.
I haven't seen pricing on the GLI yet, but assuming its a couple k more than the GLS, I am guessing that you could indeed probably swing a TSX for the same money/feature content.

However, if you got a 9-3 it would not match the feature content of the GLI, nor would it have the high output engine.

Now the GLI vs TSX is a good comparison. Its not like the TSX is built from better materials, nor does it offer a better drivetrain. Unless you consider Acura to be a much better brand as far as prestige I think the two cars will make good competitors.
probably more reliable than the VW.
That pretty much goes without saying.  But the VW might be a more solid car.  I drove a TSX, and I felt vibrations in the car, which did not feel too good.
vibrations as in road feedback?
No.  The whole car felt like it was vibrating slightly, somehow akin to what you'd feel in a school bus, I guess, just not that bad.
That's not cool. So the road wasn't choppy? Where you attempting to drive a manual for the first time or something? Was this off of a lot (as in brand-new)? Because sometimes cars will be a little rough until you break them in. How was the rest of the driving experience, especially handling?
Automatic TSX with about 5K miles on it.  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on June 02, 2005, 11:10:25 AM
I didnt get to wring it out, and handling was fine, the car had a lot of oomph that suprised me coming from a 4 cylinder, and there was some torque steer.  It was on a little choppy road, but not with a lot of potholes.  It was a slight vibration, and dont think the whole car was vibrating.  When I saw vibration I mean the car wasnt perfectly at rest...you always you could feel a little humming vibration throughout the car.
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: Run Away on June 02, 2005, 01:47:09 PM
IT'S ALIVE!!!!  :o  
Title: New VW Jetta
Post by: BMWDave on June 02, 2005, 01:49:03 PM
QuoteIT'S ALIVE!!!!  :o
:lol:

Not quite.