4Runner Vs. Grand Cherokee

[BENZ BOY15]

What do you guys think about the two? I really need to get a different car. My radiator just blew up on me this morning and it's a money pit. I'd be buying one 1-2 years old.

[2o6]

Grand Cherokee is more comfortable, and likely can be had cheaper.

4Runners are overpriced.

[r0tor]

Grand Cherokee is so much more refined it's ridiculous.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Grand Cherokee is more comfortable, and likely can be had cheaper.

4Runners are overpriced.

This!

[MX793]

There's a reason why 4-Runners command top dollar.  They are damn near bulletproof.  I wouldn't buy a Jeep (or any Chrysler-Fiat/Stellantis product) without a good warranty that includes complementary loaners.

That said, the 4Runner is not particularly refined.  Great if you want to do some legit off-roading, but if you just want something with AWD/4WD for tackling snowy roads but still want refined ride quality, it's not the vehicle for you.  They drive and ride like an old-school pickup truck (because, underneath, that's what they are).  The GranCho is definitely a much better daily driver in terms of on-road manners and refinement, while still offering legit off-road capability, if that capability matters.

[CALL_911]

Want a 4Runner very badly

[Laconian]

Want a 4Runner very badly

Always been one of my favorites.. great capability, great build quality, great residuals.

[r0tor]

Want a 4Runner very badly

You shouldn't... They overwhelmingly suck

[CALL_911]

I'd like to buy an older one next year. Too bad the fucking things are the best store of value known in the automotive world.

[r0tor]

It's essentially the same damn thing my father bought in 2003... but uglier.  It was only OK back then.  Miserable by today's standards.

[r0tor]

There's a reason why 4-Runners command top dollar.  They are damn near bulletproof.  I wouldn't buy a Jeep (or any Chrysler-Fiat/Stellantis product) without a good warranty that includes complementary loaners.

My FCA products have been light-years better than the Ford products in my family and close friends... Nothing but failed powershit transmissions, failed fusion hybrid transmissions, and ecoboost head gasket failures.

[MX793]

My FCA products have been light-years better than the Ford products in my family and close friends... Nothing but failed powershit transmissions, failed fusion hybrid transmissions, and ecoboost head gasket failures.

I wouldn't touch a powershift Ford even with a warranty.

That said, seen and heard far too many bad issues with Chrysler.  I know people who work for companies that supply the Big 3.  Chrysler is far more willing to accept parts with defects than the others.

[BENZ BOY15]

This!

People tell me they're unreliable especially with the electronics and that after 75k miles, everything starts to break. I want something that's reliable, good in the snow/ice (probably top priority) but also refined/nice as I spend what seems like most of my life in a car driving around.

[BENZ BOY15]

How do XC90s do in the snow? I've always liked them but they seem more car like. It can get nuts here with all the ice and snow, I've learned that lesson the hard way. The GX was the best but even then I crashed it on a few occasions & got stuck. Though I'm sure a large part of that is I suck at driving.

[MX793]

How much snow?  How good is the snow removal?  Are you routinely driving on roads with a 3" coating or less of snow, or are you driving down roads that regularly have more than 3" of snow?  Is the snow typically light, fluffy stuff or heavy and wet?  How hilly is the terrain and what type of grades (%)?

[FoMoJo]

How do XC90s do in the snow? I've always liked them but they seem more car like. It can get nuts here with all the ice and snow, I've learned that lesson the hard way. The GX was the best but even then I crashed it on a few occasions & got stuck. Though I'm sure a large part of that is I suck at driving.

Maybe you can take some snow-driving lessons.

[r0tor]

People tell me they're unreliable especially with the electronics and that after 75k miles, everything starts to break. I want something that's reliable, good in the snow/ice (probably top priority) but also refined/nice as I spend what seems like most of my life in a car driving around.

Grand Cherokee reliability is fine and great in snow

[AutobahnSHO]

How much snow?  How good is the snow removal?  Are you routinely driving on roads with a 3" coating or less of snow, or are you driving down roads that regularly have more than 3" of snow?  Is the snow typically light, fluffy stuff or heavy and wet?  How hilly is the terrain and what type of grades (%)?

More than 3" sometimes, probably pretty wet, super hilly. :)

He lives up in the CA mountains.

[AutobahnSHO]

The Toyota would for sure run forever. The GC would be much more comfortable. It's a tradeoff.

I love those Volvos but I haven't read anything about them. Is there even a dealer anywhere near you for maintenance??...

[Raza]

Get a Lexus RX. It's more your style and it should be fine in snow.

[Speed_Racer]

How about the Lexus NX? It may be a bit more cramped in the back if you are carrying clients though.

For wet and sloppy snow & hills, M&S or snow tires make a huge difference even with 4x4.

[r0tor]

RX/NX awd systems are just about worthless

[MX793]

RX/NX awd systems are just about worthless

For rock crawling, mud bogging, or dune driving?  Sure.  For dealing with a few inches of snow, they're fine.

[r0tor]

For rock crawling, mud bogging, or dune driving?  Sure.  For dealing with a few inches of snow, they're fine.

No

[Eye of the Tiger]

No

RWD is all that is needed.

[MX793]

No

"Soft roader" AWD systems are more than adequate for slick roads with a couple of inches of snow and offer noticeably more forward traction than a vehicle with a single driven axle in those conditions (which, in many cases, are also capable of negotiating such conditions provided they are fitted with proper tires).  Would I blaze new trails in 8"+ of freshly fallen snow?  No (well, maybe, if I only need to cover a car length or so of snow that deep).  Dealing with 2-3" they are absolutely fine.  Some of them have the ability to lock the center coupling.  My RAV has 4x4 lock and it works pretty well for digging out of deeper, heavier snow in parking lots.  Or my driveway when I'm in a hurry and didn't leave time to shovel behind the car.

[Soup DeVille]

No

Man it has to be tough being such a connoisseur of all things automobilia. First, all manuals are crap because they're not all as good as an S2000. Now this.

[MrH]

They're both ancient.  I guess I made my pick when I sold my 4Runner and now drive a 2020 Outback.

I'd look for barely used 2020 Outbacks.

[FoMoJo]

Range Rover Discovery or Discovery Sport or wait for the new Bronco.

[r0tor]

"Soft roader" AWD systems are more than adequate for slick roads with a couple of inches of snow and offer noticeably more forward traction than a vehicle with a single driven axle in those conditions (which, in many cases, are also capable of negotiating such conditions provided they are fitted with proper tires).  Would I blaze new trails in 8"+ of freshly fallen snow?  No (well, maybe, if I only need to cover a car length or so of snow that deep).  Dealing with 2-3" they are absolutely fine.  Some of them have the ability to lock the center coupling.  My RAV has 4x4 lock and it works pretty well for digging out of deeper, heavier snow in parking lots.  Or my driveway when I'm in a hurry and didn't leave time to shovel behind the car.

Up until the latest rav4 the Toyota softroader system is only capable of delivering 10-15% of full engine torque to the rear wheels and automatically disengages above 15mph.

It's crap.