CR-V engine problems

[Morris Minor]

It has begun:
https://www.classaction.org/media/hamilton-v-american-honda-motor-company-inc.pdf

[12,000 RPM]

This is not the Honda way

I still believe

Odd that it's only specific to the CR-V. Haven't heard anything from the Accord/Civic camps.

[Morris Minor]

Agreed Sporty, this is not the Honda way.
My old 2003 Mk1 Pilot is still in service: my son & daughter-in-law's daily driver. It's a lovely vehicle.

[shp4man]

Like I said before, with a few exceptions, all the manufacturers are about equal in pluses and minuses.

[FoMoJo]

This is not the Honda way

I still believe

Odd that it's only specific to the CR-V. Haven't heard anything from the Accord/Civic camps.

Civics in China have been recalled for the same problem...https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2018/02/13/honda-to-recall-350000-cars-in-china-over-engine-issue/

The recall involves the CR-V sport utility vehicle and the Civic car equipped with a 1.5-litre turbo engine, Honda's joint venture with Dongfeng Motor Group Co Ltd said in a statement on Monday.

[Morris Minor]

I getting an oil sample taken next week. Will send it off for analysis. Then I'll forward it to one of the attorneys involved in bringing the suit.
Honda will settle & do what it needs to do. Reputation is everything in this game

[Eye of the Tiger]

I getting an oil sample taken next week. Will send it off for analysis. Then I'll forward it to one of the attorneys involved in bringing the suit.
Honda will settle & do what it needs to do. Reputation is everything in this game

Don't settle for the first offer! I went through the lemon law case with my Versa, and went back and forth with my attorney for a month before getting an acceptable settlement offer. They want the problem swept under the rug and kept out of court, and they will pay for it.

[Morris Minor]

Oil sample was taken today. Oil had 4,000 miles on it. Mailing it off tomorrow

[Morris Minor]

2% gasoline in oil that's got 4K miles on it.

[RomanChariot]

Assuming that your vehicle holds 4 quarts of oil and that fuel % is by volume, you have about 1/3 cup of fuel in your oil. It would be interesting to know if that number increases with mileage between oil changes or if it is more dependent upon whether the engine is run hot enough to burn off the fuel.

[CaminoRacer]

Less than I expected, tbh

[FoMoJo]

2% gasoline in oil that's got 4K miles on it.

Do you make a lot of short trips or generally trips long enough to run at operating temperature for more than a few minutes?

[Xer0]

Is there an amount of gas that can get in the oil that's considered normal and safe?

[shp4man]

Is there an amount of gas that can get in the oil that's considered normal and safe?

I don't think there are any specs on that. Modern oil is pretty thin already, though.
But hell,  two strokes run gas mixed with oil for lubrication. So there's that.

[FoMoJo]

Is there an amount of gas that can get in the oil that's considered normal and safe?

I would think that the garage smells of gas is an indication that it's a bit much.  I've had cars that smelled of gas, but they were wrecks.

[Soup DeVille]

I would think that the garage smells of gas is an indication that it's a bit much.  I've had cars that smelled of gas, but they were wrecks.

Carburetors that leaked down and open vented fuel tanks  used to mean it wasn't uncommon.

No modern car should.

[Soup DeVille]

Is there an amount of gas that can get in the oil that's considered normal and safe?

Maybe?

The main effect will be to reduce viscosity, so going to a heavier weight oil might be a good idea; or it might not. Honda's variable valve timing and belt tensioner use hydraulic pressure to operate, and messing with the viscosity might not work out.

[FoMoJo]

Carburetors that leaked down and open vented fuel tanks  used to mean it wasn't uncommon.

No modern car should.

Even when you didn't have a garage.  However, for those of us who like the smell of raw gasoline, it was a bonus.

[GoCougs]

Interestingly, 2% (by volume?) fuel content is noted at the maximum of okay. I'd want a spec/report/standard that says that however. Does sound like a lot to me, as a layman.

[Soup DeVille]

Even when you didn't have a garage.  However, for those of us who like the smell of raw gasoline, it was a bonus.

2-cycle exhaust, sawdust, and unburnt diesel and ether from the trucks starting in the morning are smells that taks me right back to childhood.

[RomanChariot]

2-cycle exhaust, sawdust, and unburnt diesel and ether from the trucks starting in the morning are smells that taks me right back to childhood.

I'm with you on the first 2 and throw in a smoke from a wood fire.

[BimmerM3]

Interestingly, 2% (by volume?) fuel content is noted at the maximum of okay. I'd want a spec/report/standard that says that however. Does sound like a lot to me, as a layman.

Yeah, I'm a bit curious about where they got that value from.

The flashpoint value looks worse though, assuming the gray column is reputable. And both of the viscosities are near the low end of the acceptable range.

[Morris Minor]

2% fuel is the limit per Blackstone. This car is driven 30-miles  twice per day and gets fully-warmed up.  Reports from other owners, who do shorter journeys, are of far higher dilution levels.

[Xer0]

Yikes, this engine is not looking good for Honda right now.  It almost feels like they are taking the "if we just ignore it, maybe people will forget" line of thinking. 

[CaminoRacer]

Yeah, I'm a bit curious about where they got that value from.

The flashpoint value looks worse though, assuming the gray column is reputable. And both of the viscosities are near the low end of the acceptable range.

Flashpoint seems fine. Oil temp is never gonna get over 300.

[BimmerM3]

Flashpoint seems fine. Oil temp is never gonna get over 300.

Fair enough. I was just basing that off of the spec listed on the sheet.

[r0tor]

Looks like you should drop to a 3k oil change interval...

[12,000 RPM]

Flashpoint seems fine. Oil temp is never gonna get over 300.

Yea we'd def have heard of CR-Vs exploding by now.

[Morris Minor]

https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/honda-15l-engine-suffers-cold-weather-oil-dilution-problem

[FoMoJo]

What does Honda consider 'extreme cold temperatures'?