I have been very happy with my car...but...
Recent reviews of the A4 2.0T replacement say its an improvement in every way over mine. Its lighter, faster, get's better fuel mileage, and its just overall a more refined car.
Just this weekend I finally saw a brand new 325i (they are just now arriving in montreal from what I can tell). Damn it is sexy in person!
Not to mention 215 HP and a 6-speed manual...
I also checked it out on BMW Canada's website and I think in CAD a comparably equipped 325 got cheaper from last year. Base price is about the same, but you now get heated seats and Xenon's standard on the 325i up here. I also noticed they have a really cool yellow interior available here. Jet black exterior and the lemon yellow interior would look amazing...
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
So for the last few days I have been pondering trading in my A4 1.8T for one of the two above...
Now I do realize I will be taking a massive hit on depreciation. I was considering buying a bike this summer, but I think if I use that money toward a replacement on my A4 I will basically stay even (in other words my payments won't get longer or higher.
So am I stupid or what? I have only had one problem with my Audi (rear light-bulb went out), so its not like there is a concern for me there. I don't think I would consider doing this for any other cars (no GTO in Canada, and oddly enough a G35 coupe here is more expensive than either an A4 2.0T or 325i so there really isn't a point in me checking it out up here).
What do you guys think? What would you do?
Well I know next to nothing about purchasing cars...but I'd probably go for the 325i. Your current car is really great, but it's always nice to get something new and fresh once in a while. (which isn't all that often in the car world unless you have connections or are made of money, but yeah)
That depends on how much you want that bike, and how much more you like those other cars more than your current A4. I wouldn't trade it in that new, but I'm not you either.
QuoteThat depends on how much you want that bike, and how much more you like those other cars more than your current A4. I wouldn't trade it in that new, but I'm not you either.
Good point...you have a 2005 vehicle...why trade in so soon? Go for the bike! :praise: What kinda bike you lookin at? (obviously a pretty good one if you're deciding between a bike or car) Unless you mean motorcycle? lol
QuoteQuoteThat depends on how much you want that bike, and how much more you like those other cars more than your current A4. I wouldn't trade it in that new, but I'm not you either.
Good point...you have a 2005 vehicle...why trade in so soon? Go for the bike! :praise: What kinda bike you lookin at? (obviously a pretty good one if you're deciding between a bike or car) Unless you mean motorcycle? lol
yeah, I meant motorcycle. Nothing in particular, but probably a relatively simple steet bike around 15k CAD.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThat depends on how much you want that bike, and how much more you like those other cars more than your current A4. I wouldn't trade it in that new, but I'm not you either.
Good point...you have a 2005 vehicle...why trade in so soon? Go for the bike! :praise: What kinda bike you lookin at? (obviously a pretty good one if you're deciding between a bike or car) Unless you mean motorcycle? lol
yeah, I meant motorcycle. Nothing in particular, but probably a relatively simple steet bike around 15k CAD.
Well when it comes to motorcycles I don't know what to tell you. But street bikes are incredible performers. I was reading a motorcycle magazine in school today and saw the 0-60 number (it was 2.7, 1/4 mile in 10) and was like HOLY CRAP so I went to one of my buddies who knows a lot about bikes and he said that's not even that fast! I was like whoah! i'm sure there's no feeling that compares to riding a street bike...and you can get a very decent one for 15K...well...wait how many US dollars is 15K Canadian?
15k CAD is about 12k USD.
Oh ok...well actually the bike I explained earlier was 11,000 US...some Honda CR 1000 or something...very nice bike. But I really wouldn't know what to tell you about this. But I guess since you have a near-new car it would be nice to have both a sweet bike and a sweet car...so again I'm gonna say go for the bike.
Well, Kelly Blue Book your current car, and then we'll talk. I'm not sure how bad depreciation is, but I'm willing to bet you lost around 5K the moment you drove it off the lot. And you probably paid around 4K under sticker because it was the previous generation right? I guess if it were me, I'd probably stick with the current car. That'll last you for a while, and then you can get an exciting new car when the time comes. At this point, your car may be worth more to you than it is "valued at". But the choice is yours. It's a good dilemma to have!
If i where in your exact position i would trade it in for the BMW.
QuoteIf i where in your exact position i would trade it in for the BMW.
Same here.
I still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
QuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
QuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
How about selling the Audi, forgetting about the bike and buying yourself a Mazda3 (or its equivalent) for the cold months, and a Solstice (or its equivalent) for summertime? Chicks dig convertibles. B)
I think it's crazy to sell a car when it's still so new, but that's just me. At the very minimum, I'd wait a year or two so BMW and Audi can get the first year kinks ironed out of their new models (and in the meantime get a little more of your moneys worth out of your current car).
QuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
In the summertime, the women wear alot of skin and if I sit in one spot I can take 'em all inGo with your heart man. I say do it. Or the Solstice thing.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
In the summertime, the women wear alot of skin and if I sit in one spot I can take 'em all in
Go with your heart man. I say do it. Or the Solstice thing.
Or get a used Z3! This combines the BMW thing with the convert thing!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada.? Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i?? Or!? An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
In the summertime, the women wear alot of skin and if I sit in one spot I can take 'em all in
Go with your heart man. I say do it. Or the Solstice thing.
Or get a used Z3! This combines the BMW thing with the convert thing!
LOL. My previous car was a BMW Z3. :P
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
In the summertime, the women wear alot of skin and if I sit in one spot I can take 'em all in
Go with your heart man. I say do it. Or the Solstice thing.
Or get a used Z3! This combines the BMW thing with the convert thing!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
He traded in a Z3 for his current A4.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI still can't believe you moved to Canada. Don't you think people are too nice there?
Why not get an E46 325i? Or! An E36 M3 4 door 5 speed!
Meh, its not that different here. Now that the weather is warming, the girls tend to wear less clothes than they did in SJ/Philly area which is nice. B)
I don't really want a used car. At least if I get another new car I can offset the extra cash spent with the fact that I am essentially extending my warranty. :(
In the summertime, the women wear alot of skin and if I sit in one spot I can take 'em all in
Go with your heart man. I say do it. Or the Solstice thing.
Or get a used Z3! This combines the BMW thing with the convert thing!
LOL. My previous car was a BMW Z3. :P
I saw a slightly used Dinan modified Z4 for 41K at my local BMW dealer. 6 speed manual and everything. They also had an M roadster fro 35K!
I do know of a 1983 Porsche 911SC for sale. :D
If you're anything like me than wait a couple weeks and revisit it. I'm very impulsive so I try to wait. Often I change my mind. For a fleeting moment I thought of trading in my Sequoia for a Mazda 3 or something. After a couple days of lugging stuff around, getting my son in and out and thinking about camping this summer I thought otherwise. I'm not taking two vehicles camping. :praise:
As much as I like the idea of buying a new car, I have a feeling that there just is not enough sense in it. The Bike would be cool, though.
If you are going to buy the new car, I would definitely go with the A4 2.0T, can't go back to RWD in Canada from Quattro.
QuoteAs much as I like the idea of buying a new car, I have a feeling that there just is not enough sense in it. The Bike would be cool, though.
If you are going to buy the new car, I would definitely go with the A4 2.0T, can't go back to RWD in Canada from Quattro.
If you buy a set of good snow tires it shouldnt be that bad. THink of all the fun you'll have in the dry times of year :praise:
There will always be bigger and better. If you've been happy so far, I would stick with your current car.
I wouldn't do anything, you already have a very nice car so it would be a good time to start setting aside money for an asset that doesn't depreciate (yes, I am talking about a house or condo). Of course, as a car enthuisist I understand the temptation, but you can resist. ;)
Nobody seems to realize that a good set of snow tires is NOT as good as a light car with Quattro All Wheel Drive.
QuoteNobody seems to realize that a good set of snow tires is NOT as good as a light car with Quattro All Wheel Drive.
I think everyone realizes that, but a car without the additional weight of AWD as well as traditional BMW handling is better when there isn't snow.
I'd be tempted to do the new A4. The 200 HP 2.0L engine takes about a second off the 0-60 times, thanks in part to the FSI direct injection . A car that goes 0-60 in 7.1 sec is a completely different animal than an 8.2 sec car. Plus, you have the new styling which looks best on the A4. Check out Kelley's on a 2004 A41.8T. Private party retail is $26k, on a car that was bought for about $32k. Kelley couldn't do a number for the '05's yet, but you know you'll be better than the '04 number.
I'd try to do a private party sale at a price that made you happy. It might take a while, but you'll get pretty severely hosed with a trade in. I'd wait the month or two and sell it myself. That way, if you have buyer's remorse and decide you want to keep your current ride, you can pull the "For Sale" sign off your car and act like nothing ever happened.
2004 Audi A4 Sedan 4D
Engine: 4-Cyl. 1.8L Turbo
Trans: 6 Speed Manual
Drive: Quattro AWD
Mileage: 20,000
Equipment
Stability Control
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Telescoping Wheel
Cruise Control
AM/FM Stereo
Single Compact Disc
Dual Front Air Bags
Front Side Air Bags
ABS (4-Wheel)
Leather
Premium Wheels
Consumer Rated Condition: Excellent
Private Party Value Search Local Listings $26,405
Private Party Value is what a buyer can expect to pay when buying a used car from a private party. The Private Party Value assumes the vehicle is sold "As Is" and carries no warranty (other than the continuing factory warranty). The final sale price may vary depending on the vehicle's actual condition and local market conditions. This value may also be used to derive Fair Market Value for insurance and vehicle donation purposes.
Stick with your A4 IMHO. You still have a fun car and don't need more. Just my opinion. ;)
QuoteNobody seems to realize that a good set of snow tires is NOT as good as a light car with Quattro All Wheel Drive.
Of course no RWD setup will beat Quattro in the snow, no matter what type of tires it has. But what I was saying before is that its not like RWD is hopeless in snow...if you put on appropiate snow tires, you should be almost fine.
QuoteI'd try to do a private party sale at a price that made you happy. It might take a while, but you'll get pretty severely hosed with a trade in.
I agree. The only way to get out of a nearly new car without losing your shirt is to sell it yourself. It's not hard to do, either, because the car (I assume) is still under factory warranty, so there is very little risk for a potential buyer.
You've already lost 20-30% of the purchase price in depreciation. A dealer is going to pay you at least a couple grand less than what he will resell it for.
Set a price that splits the difference between dealer retail and trade in value, and it makes it good for you and the buyer.
Which interior color combo do you think looks better?
Lemon yellow leather with burl walnut trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Dakota Terra leather with Aluminum trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB8_4AD.jpg)
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QuoteWhich interior color combo do you think looks better?
Lemon yellow leather with burl walnut trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Dakota Terra leather with Aluminum trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB8_4AD.jpg)
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dakota leather...by far! :praise:
QuoteQuoteWhich interior color combo do you think looks better?
Lemon yellow leather with burl walnut trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Dakota Terra leather with Aluminum trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB8_4AD.jpg)
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dakota leather...by far! :praise:
I agree with Dave. The dakota leather rocks. The other day I was doing a build and price on the BMW site too (wishful thinking I guess), and my final choice was on the aluminum and dakota. To a degree I guess it also depends on what exterior color you want, though. What color are you thinking for the exterior?
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhich interior color combo do you think looks better?
Lemon yellow leather with burl walnut trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Dakota Terra leather with Aluminum trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB8_4AD.jpg)
?
dakota leather...by far! :praise:
I agree with Dave. The dakota leather rocks. The other day I was doing a build and price on the BMW site too (wishful thinking I guess), and my final choice was on the aluminum and dakota. To a degree I guess it also depends on what exterior color you want, though. What color are you thinking for the exterior?
If I got the yellow I would only consider Jet Black (non metallic) or Sapphire Black (metallic). I'd prefer Jet Black but the problem is that it shows dirt alot easier.
For the terra I could either go black or monaco blue. I really like the new blue so that's what I would be most likely to go with.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhich interior color combo do you think looks better?
Lemon yellow leather with burl walnut trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Dakota Terra leather with Aluminum trim:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB8_4AD.jpg)
?
dakota leather...by far! :praise:
I agree with Dave. The dakota leather rocks. The other day I was doing a build and price on the BMW site too (wishful thinking I guess), and my final choice was on the aluminum and dakota. To a degree I guess it also depends on what exterior color you want, though. What color are you thinking for the exterior?
If I got the yellow I would only consider Jet Black (non metallic) or Sapphire Black (metallic). I'd prefer Jet Black but the problem is that it shows dirt alot easier.
For the terra I could either go black or monaco blue. I really like the new blue so that's what I would be most likely to go with.
I think the Blue with the dakota is a great combo. You sound like you're pretty much decided on getting the Beamer, huh?
QuoteI think the Blue with the dakota is a great combo. You sound like you're pretty much decided on getting the Beamer, huh?
Nah, I'm just bored at work. :D
QuoteQuoteI think the Blue with the dakota is a great combo. You sound like you're pretty much decided on getting the Beamer, huh?
Nah, I'm just bored at work. :D
Nice.
Woot!
I stopped by the BMW dealer on the way home today to check it out up close in person (only got to see it from the outside before). I got an invitation to a 2 hour test drive at a local track next Friday. :o
How cool is that? Can't wait until next week now. :lol:
As for the interior of the car...it's a definite improvement over the previous generation. Is it better than Audi? Meh...its a close call. I like the BMW steering wheel, but I like the Audi gauge setup and center stack better. Quality/refinement seems about the same for both though. BMW has some nifty cup holder's now so I would give that to BMW, and the center armrest is much more ergonomic now. With my A4 I have to keep it pushed out of the way, but it felt like with the 325i it wouldn't be a problem because it sits further back and away from where my elbow would be. They didn't have any with the sport package, but the standard 3er seats didn't seem as comfortable as my A4 seats. I have adjustable lumbar with my A4 and none of these had that option so that could be the problem.
They only had 4 models, all with black leatherette interior (two 330i's and two 325i's). The good news is that I didn't realize it was leatherette until the salesmen told me. The bad news is I didn' get to see how the real leather is. I definitely want to check out the terra dakota and lemon yellow interiors up close and personal.
Last thing to note...I am surprised no one noticed this before but sitting all in a row I had to say the 3er has more of a resemblance from the front with the 6-series than the 5-series. The rear on the 3er looked great BTW, tail lights and all.
Anyway I would encourage you guys to check it out in person. Its a big improvement over the outgoing model IMHO.
Man I can't wait until next friday!
have fun!
QuoteWoot!
I stopped by the BMW dealer on the way home today to check it out up close in person (only got to see it from the outside before). I got an invitation to a 2 hour test drive at a local track next Friday. :o
How cool is that? Can't wait until next week now. :lol:
As for the interior of the car...it's a definite improvement over the previous generation. Is it better than Audi? Meh...its a close call. I like the BMW steering wheel, but I like the Audi gauge setup and center stack better. Quality/refinement seems about the same for both though. BMW has some nifty cup holder's now so I would give that to BMW, and the center armrest is much more ergonomic now. With my A4 I have to keep it pushed out of the way, but it felt like with the 325i it wouldn't be a problem because it sits further back and away from where my elbow would be. They didn't have any with the sport package, but the standard 3er seats didn't seem as comfortable as my A4 seats. I have adjustable lumbar with my A4 and none of these had that option so that could be the problem.
They only had 4 models, all with black leatherette interior (two 330i's and two 325i's). The good news is that I didn't realize it was leatherette until the salesmen told me. The bad news is I didn' get to see how the real leather is. I definitely want to check out the terra dakota and lemon yellow interiors up close and personal.
Last thing to note...I am surprised no one noticed this before but sitting all in a row I had to say the 3er has more of a resemblance from the front with the 6-series than the 5-series. The rear on the 3er looked great BTW, tail lights and all.
Anyway I would encourage you guys to check it out in person. Its a big improvement over the outgoing model IMHO.
Man I can't wait until next friday!
If thats what leatherette was, imagine what the real leather is like! :praise:
Phuque! I just went to the BMW website and started playing around. I need a new 330i w/ 6M, Terra Leather, Nav system, and sport package like I need a third nut. But I want one :(
Why the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Umm...so what's he going for now?
QuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
QuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
:rolleyes:
He may have been talking about the interior anyway.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
:rolleyes:
He may have been talking about the interior anyway.
I jumped the gun. So shoot me. I still stand by my original observation.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
:rolleyes:
He may have been talking about the interior anyway.
I jumped the gun. So shoot me. I still stand by my original observation.
:noise of rifle being locked and loaded:
you mean a lemon interior or a lemon exterior? There is a yellow offered on the M3.
QuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
I meant the Lemon interior, which is actually just a two-tone like this:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Canada gets it, but we don't.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
I meant the Lemon interior, which is actually just a two-tone like this:
(http://www.bmw.ca/configurator3/images/model/options/interior_trim/XBB60BMC141A0_LCB7_4AB.jpg)
Canada gets it, but we don't.
We have Dakota Leather here....theres really not much difference between that and the interior you have shown.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy the hell is lemon not offered in the USA!!!???
Because if I saw you in a yellow 3 series, I'd be forced to kill you and crush the car for humanity's sake. Seriously, if your car doesn't cost over 125K, it should not be yellow.
:rolleyes:
He may have been talking about the interior anyway.
I jumped the gun. So shoot me. I still stand by my original observation.
Doofus.
Quoteyou mean a lemon interior or a lemon exterior? There is a yellow offered on the M3.
The color of the M3 in your sig looks sweet.
As for buying the car, you have a fucking new '05 A4. Car are always going to get better. Doesn't mean that you need to buy a new one everytime a new model comes out.
Well I just got back from the test drive. It was alot of fun. I got to drive pretty much every combination except for the SMG (which isn't being sold here yet, apparently it won't go on sale in Canada until this fall). Here are some thoughts...
Overall: Brilliant car. Its very difficult to find any flaws in the car, though I will nitpick some things on the individual models. Balance is superb, reactions to changing pavement conditions is best in class, acceleration is strong and smooth in both engines, and of course the 6-speed manual was just about perfect. Interior is great. I got to see the "lemon yellow" interior in person. Its a bad name because it doesn't even look yellow. Its basically what I would call a cream beige color. I think it would look great in just about any exterior color combination (except maybe red). I got to try active steering vs regular steering back to back several times, and all I can say is that the complaining about this system is silly. The first time I tried it I didn't even notice it. It wasn't until I got back into a regular 3er without active steering that I noticed I was turning the wheel more. I wouldn't pay extra for it, but if it came standard I wouldn't complain. Brakes on all models were stellar. Half the time in the "ABS" section I wouldn't even use ABS because the cars would stop so quickly without it.
325i with 6MT: This is the car I would get. The engine has ample torque all over the rev range, the clutch/shifter is just about perfect, and turning transitions are seamless (and trust me I got to put this car through its paces!).
325i with 6AT: Engine felt a little sluggish off the line in this configuration, but once you got the revs up the car would move admirably. Personally I was a little disappointed in the "steptronic" function. The E46 325i 5AT I tested felt more responsive to inputs. There was just too much delay on this car. I know they stopped using GM automatics this year, and personally I wonder if that was a good idea.
330i with 6MT: Obviously the "creme de la creme" in the bunch. Basically it does everything the 325i does, but with more power. I can't say the bigger tires made a difference in handling though (18's on the 330i, 17's on the 325i with sport packages). That being said I didn't notice the extra weight it carries vs the 325i either, so I don't think it will be an issue for prospective buyers. I am not a power junkie though, so I probably wouldn't spring for the extra 4-5k it costs over a 325i (when optioned similarly). If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket I can see the temptation though.
330i with 6AT: I guess its the extra torque, but basically the automatic worked a bit better here. Steptronic was still a little slow to react, but because of the torque spread it wasn't as urgent to downshift as often in this car. I am not a fan of automatics, but if you have to get an automatic this may be the case were its worth it to move from the 325i to the 330i.
Some notes: Sport package doesn't seem to make a startling difference for the hanlding. There is a little less body roll and the seats are a little more bolstered, but overall I wouldn't say its an absolutely necessity when buying this car. This is in comparison to when i bought my A4 where it made a huge difference. A4 without sport package is just too soft and rolly, with sport package its about where a non-sport 3-series is as far as handling.
So will I be spring for a new car this summer? Honestly, despite loving the new 3er...I can't really say I was convinced to trade in my A4. The 325i would be a better car, but after talking with the salesman I figure I would lose somewhere between 15-20k (CAD) by trading in. Even the salesman told me I would be dumb to trade my A4 at this point (he seems to be a bit of an Audi/VW fan oddly enough...he drives a GTI :lol: ). He said if I really want a 325i I should try to sell my A4 privately. He's probably right, but its always more of a hassle trying to sell a car privately. :angry:
Anyway I will keep thinking about it, but right now I am leaning toward keeping my A4 through another winter.
Anyway questions or comments are welcome. :)
QuoteWell I just got back from the test drive. It was alot of fun. I got to drive pretty much every combination except for the SMG (which isn't being sold here yet, apparently it won't go on sale in Canada until this fall). Here are some thoughts...
Overall: Brilliant car. Its very difficult to find any flaws in the car, though I will nitpick some things on the individual models. Balance is superb, reactions to changing pavement conditions is best in class, acceleration is strong and smooth in both engines, and of course the 6-speed manual was just about perfect. Interior is great. I got to see the "lemon yellow" interior in person. Its a bad name because it doesn't even look yellow. Its basically what I would call a cream beige color. I think it would look great in just about any exterior color combination (except maybe red). I got to try active steering vs regular steering back to back several times, and all I can say is that the complaining about this system is silly. The first time I tried it I didn't even notice it. It wasn't until I got back into a regular 3er without active steering that I noticed I was turning the wheel more. I wouldn't pay extra for it, but if it came standard I wouldn't complain. Brakes on all models were stellar. Half the time in the "ABS" section I wouldn't even use ABS because the cars would stop so quickly without it.
325i with 6MT: This is the car I would get. The engine has ample torque all over the rev range, the clutch/shifter is just about perfect, and turning transitions are seamless (and trust me I got to put this car through its paces!).
325i with 6AT: Engine felt a little sluggish off the line in this configuration, but once you got the revs up the car would move admirably. Personally I was a little disappointed in the "steptronic" function. The E46 325i 5AT I tested felt more responsive to inputs. There was just too much delay on this car. I know they stopped using GM automatics this year, and personally I wonder if that was a good idea.
330i with 6MT: Obviously the "creme de la creme" in the bunch. Basically it does everything the 325i does, but with more power. I can't say the bigger tires made a difference in handling though (18's on the 330i, 17's on the 325i with sport packages). That being said I didn't notice the extra weight it carries vs the 325i either, so I don't think it will be an issue for prospective buyers. I am not a power junkie though, so I probably wouldn't spring for the extra 4-5k it costs over a 325i (when optioned similarly). If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket I can see the temptation though.
330i with 6AT: I guess its the extra torque, but basically the automatic worked a bit better here. Steptronic was still a little slow to react, but because of the torque spread it wasn't as urgent to downshift as often in this car. I am not a fan of automatics, but if you have to get an automatic this may be the case were its worth it to move from the 325i to the 330i.
Some notes: Sport package doesn't seem to make a startling difference for the hanlding. There is a little less body roll and the seats are a little more bolstered, but overall I wouldn't say its an absolutely necessity when buying this car. This is in comparison to when i bought my A4 where it made a huge difference. A4 without sport package is just too soft and rolly, with sport package its about where a non-sport 3-series is as far as handling.
So will I be spring for a new car this summer? Honestly, despite loving the new 3er...I can't really say I was convinced to trade in my A4. The 325i would be a better car, but after talking with the salesman I figure I would lose somewhere between 15-20k (CAD) by trading in. Even the salesman told me I would be dumb to trade my A4 at this point (he seems to be a bit of an Audi/VW fan oddly enough...he drives a GTI :lol: ). He said if I really want a 325i I should try to sell my A4 privately. He's probably right, but its always more of a hassle trying to sell a car privately. :angry:
Anyway I will keep thinking about it, but right now I am leaning toward keeping my A4 through another winter.
Anyway questions or comments are welcome. :)
nice review, but i still don't think you need a new car. ^_^
QuoteWell I just got back from the test drive. It was alot of fun. I got to drive pretty much every combination except for the SMG (which isn't being sold here yet, apparently it won't go on sale in Canada until this fall). Here are some thoughts...
Overall: Brilliant car. Its very difficult to find any flaws in the car, though I will nitpick some things on the individual models. Balance is superb, reactions to changing pavement conditions is best in class, acceleration is strong and smooth in both engines, and of course the 6-speed manual was just about perfect. Interior is great. I got to see the "lemon yellow" interior in person. Its a bad name because it doesn't even look yellow. Its basically what I would call a cream beige color. I think it would look great in just about any exterior color combination (except maybe red). I got to try active steering vs regular steering back to back several times, and all I can say is that the complaining about this system is silly. The first time I tried it I didn't even notice it. It wasn't until I got back into a regular 3er without active steering that I noticed I was turning the wheel more. I wouldn't pay extra for it, but if it came standard I wouldn't complain. Brakes on all models were stellar. Half the time in the "ABS" section I wouldn't even use ABS because the cars would stop so quickly without it.
325i with 6MT: This is the car I would get. The engine has ample torque all over the rev range, the clutch/shifter is just about perfect, and turning transitions are seamless (and trust me I got to put this car through its paces!).
325i with 6AT: Engine felt a little sluggish off the line in this configuration, but once you got the revs up the car would move admirably. Personally I was a little disappointed in the "steptronic" function. The E46 325i 5AT I tested felt more responsive to inputs. There was just too much delay on this car. I know they stopped using GM automatics this year, and personally I wonder if that was a good idea.
330i with 6MT: Obviously the "creme de la creme" in the bunch. Basically it does everything the 325i does, but with more power. I can't say the bigger tires made a difference in handling though (18's on the 330i, 17's on the 325i with sport packages). That being said I didn't notice the extra weight it carries vs the 325i either, so I don't think it will be an issue for prospective buyers. I am not a power junkie though, so I probably wouldn't spring for the extra 4-5k it costs over a 325i (when optioned similarly). If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket I can see the temptation though.
330i with 6AT: I guess its the extra torque, but basically the automatic worked a bit better here. Steptronic was still a little slow to react, but because of the torque spread it wasn't as urgent to downshift as often in this car. I am not a fan of automatics, but if you have to get an automatic this may be the case were its worth it to move from the 325i to the 330i.
Some notes: Sport package doesn't seem to make a startling difference for the hanlding. There is a little less body roll and the seats are a little more bolstered, but overall I wouldn't say its an absolutely necessity when buying this car. This is in comparison to when i bought my A4 where it made a huge difference. A4 without sport package is just too soft and rolly, with sport package its about where a non-sport 3-series is as far as handling.
So will I be spring for a new car this summer? Honestly, despite loving the new 3er...I can't really say I was convinced to trade in my A4. The 325i would be a better car, but after talking with the salesman I figure I would lose somewhere between 15-20k (CAD) by trading in. Even the salesman told me I would be dumb to trade my A4 at this point (he seems to be a bit of an Audi/VW fan oddly enough...he drives a GTI :lol: ). He said if I really want a 325i I should try to sell my A4 privately. He's probably right, but its always more of a hassle trying to sell a car privately. :angry:
Anyway I will keep thinking about it, but right now I am leaning toward keeping my A4 through another winter.
Anyway questions or comments are welcome. :)
I entirely agree that you should hold onto the A4 longer, unless you really don't like it anymore. And that certainly doesn't appear to be the case.
QuoteI entirely agree that you should hold onto the A4 longer, unless you really don't like it anymore. And that certainly doesn't appear to be the case.
You are right, I still like my A4. Its a fun car, and I still find myself taking the long way when i need to go places just so i can drive it longer. :praise:
Last night I wanted to bring my A4 onto the track with the 3er's just to put them next to each other. :D
It was nice getting to drive the piss out of the 325i as it gave me a great comparison that you just don't get with a normal test drive. Alot of the little subtleties get missed when you only have 5-10 minutes with a car. 2 hours with all the different options is alot better. :praise:
QuoteQuoteyou mean a lemon interior or a lemon exterior? There is a yellow offered on the M3.
The color of the M3 in your sig looks sweet.
Thank you :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteyou mean a lemon interior or a lemon exterior? There is a yellow offered on the M3.
The color of the M3 in your sig looks sweet.
Thank you :praise:
what's it called? lime green?
QuoteWell I just got back from the test drive. It was alot of fun. I got to drive pretty much every combination except for the SMG (which isn't being sold here yet, apparently it won't go on sale in Canada until this fall). Here are some thoughts...
Overall: Brilliant car. Its very difficult to find any flaws in the car, though I will nitpick some things on the individual models. Balance is superb, reactions to changing pavement conditions is best in class, acceleration is strong and smooth in both engines, and of course the 6-speed manual was just about perfect. Interior is great. I got to see the "lemon yellow" interior in person. Its a bad name because it doesn't even look yellow. Its basically what I would call a cream beige color. I think it would look great in just about any exterior color combination (except maybe red). I got to try active steering vs regular steering back to back several times, and all I can say is that the complaining about this system is silly. The first time I tried it I didn't even notice it. It wasn't until I got back into a regular 3er without active steering that I noticed I was turning the wheel more. I wouldn't pay extra for it, but if it came standard I wouldn't complain. Brakes on all models were stellar. Half the time in the "ABS" section I wouldn't even use ABS because the cars would stop so quickly without it.
325i with 6MT: This is the car I would get. The engine has ample torque all over the rev range, the clutch/shifter is just about perfect, and turning transitions are seamless (and trust me I got to put this car through its paces!).
325i with 6AT: Engine felt a little sluggish off the line in this configuration, but once you got the revs up the car would move admirably. Personally I was a little disappointed in the "steptronic" function. The E46 325i 5AT I tested felt more responsive to inputs. There was just too much delay on this car. I know they stopped using GM automatics this year, and personally I wonder if that was a good idea.
330i with 6MT: Obviously the "creme de la creme" in the bunch. Basically it does everything the 325i does, but with more power. I can't say the bigger tires made a difference in handling though (18's on the 330i, 17's on the 325i with sport packages). That being said I didn't notice the extra weight it carries vs the 325i either, so I don't think it will be an issue for prospective buyers. I am not a power junkie though, so I probably wouldn't spring for the extra 4-5k it costs over a 325i (when optioned similarly). If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket I can see the temptation though.
330i with 6AT: I guess its the extra torque, but basically the automatic worked a bit better here. Steptronic was still a little slow to react, but because of the torque spread it wasn't as urgent to downshift as often in this car. I am not a fan of automatics, but if you have to get an automatic this may be the case were its worth it to move from the 325i to the 330i.
Some notes: Sport package doesn't seem to make a startling difference for the hanlding. There is a little less body roll and the seats are a little more bolstered, but overall I wouldn't say its an absolutely necessity when buying this car. This is in comparison to when i bought my A4 where it made a huge difference. A4 without sport package is just too soft and rolly, with sport package its about where a non-sport 3-series is as far as handling.
So will I be spring for a new car this summer? Honestly, despite loving the new 3er...I can't really say I was convinced to trade in my A4. The 325i would be a better car, but after talking with the salesman I figure I would lose somewhere between 15-20k (CAD) by trading in. Even the salesman told me I would be dumb to trade my A4 at this point (he seems to be a bit of an Audi/VW fan oddly enough...he drives a GTI :lol: ). He said if I really want a 325i I should try to sell my A4 privately. He's probably right, but its always more of a hassle trying to sell a car privately. :angry:
Anyway I will keep thinking about it, but right now I am leaning toward keeping my A4 through another winter.
Anyway questions or comments are welcome. :)
Good review. Maybe when your A4 gets old, in 2 or 3 years, then go and buy a 3er. Until then, you still have an amazing car.
QuoteQuoteWell I just got back from the test drive. It was alot of fun. I got to drive pretty much every combination except for the SMG (which isn't being sold here yet, apparently it won't go on sale in Canada until this fall). Here are some thoughts...
Overall: Brilliant car. Its very difficult to find any flaws in the car, though I will nitpick some things on the individual models. Balance is superb, reactions to changing pavement conditions is best in class, acceleration is strong and smooth in both engines, and of course the 6-speed manual was just about perfect. Interior is great. I got to see the "lemon yellow" interior in person. Its a bad name because it doesn't even look yellow. Its basically what I would call a cream beige color. I think it would look great in just about any exterior color combination (except maybe red). I got to try active steering vs regular steering back to back several times, and all I can say is that the complaining about this system is silly. The first time I tried it I didn't even notice it. It wasn't until I got back into a regular 3er without active steering that I noticed I was turning the wheel more. I wouldn't pay extra for it, but if it came standard I wouldn't complain. Brakes on all models were stellar. Half the time in the "ABS" section I wouldn't even use ABS because the cars would stop so quickly without it.
325i with 6MT: This is the car I would get. The engine has ample torque all over the rev range, the clutch/shifter is just about perfect, and turning transitions are seamless (and trust me I got to put this car through its paces!).
325i with 6AT: Engine felt a little sluggish off the line in this configuration, but once you got the revs up the car would move admirably. Personally I was a little disappointed in the "steptronic" function. The E46 325i 5AT I tested felt more responsive to inputs. There was just too much delay on this car. I know they stopped using GM automatics this year, and personally I wonder if that was a good idea.
330i with 6MT: Obviously the "creme de la creme" in the bunch. Basically it does everything the 325i does, but with more power. I can't say the bigger tires made a difference in handling though (18's on the 330i, 17's on the 325i with sport packages). That being said I didn't notice the extra weight it carries vs the 325i either, so I don't think it will be an issue for prospective buyers. I am not a power junkie though, so I probably wouldn't spring for the extra 4-5k it costs over a 325i (when optioned similarly). If you have the money burning a hole in your pocket I can see the temptation though.
330i with 6AT: I guess its the extra torque, but basically the automatic worked a bit better here. Steptronic was still a little slow to react, but because of the torque spread it wasn't as urgent to downshift as often in this car. I am not a fan of automatics, but if you have to get an automatic this may be the case were its worth it to move from the 325i to the 330i.
Some notes: Sport package doesn't seem to make a startling difference for the hanlding. There is a little less body roll and the seats are a little more bolstered, but overall I wouldn't say its an absolutely necessity when buying this car. This is in comparison to when i bought my A4 where it made a huge difference. A4 without sport package is just too soft and rolly, with sport package its about where a non-sport 3-series is as far as handling.
So will I be spring for a new car this summer? Honestly, despite loving the new 3er...I can't really say I was convinced to trade in my A4. The 325i would be a better car, but after talking with the salesman I figure I would lose somewhere between 15-20k (CAD) by trading in. Even the salesman told me I would be dumb to trade my A4 at this point (he seems to be a bit of an Audi/VW fan oddly enough...he drives a GTI :lol: ). He said if I really want a 325i I should try to sell my A4 privately. He's probably right, but its always more of a hassle trying to sell a car privately. :angry:
Anyway I will keep thinking about it, but right now I am leaning toward keeping my A4 through another winter.
Anyway questions or comments are welcome. :)
Good review. Maybe when your A4 gets old, in 2 or 3 years, then go and buy a 3er. Until then, you still have an amazing car.
2 or 3 years for a car isn't old...
Its already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
QuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
QuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old.? Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
ALL cars require maintenance, dave. :rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old.? Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
ALL cars require maintenance, dave. :rolleyes:
Of course they do, but the fact is, and you cant deny it, that cars do start requiring
more maintenance when they reach about 100K. Many people cannot have their car breaking down on them, and thus opt for a new car at about 100K miles.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
ALL cars require maintenance, dave. :rolleyes:
Of course they do, but the fact is, and you cant deny it, that cars do start requiring more maintenance when they reach about 100K. Many people cannot have their car breaking down on them, and thus opt for a new car at about 100K miles.
my honda doesn't require more maintenence, and it's at 104000 miles. they replace more stuff each time, but the trips don't become more frequent.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old.? Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
ALL cars require maintenance, dave. :rolleyes:
Of course they do, but the fact is, and you cant deny it, that cars do start requiring more maintenance when they reach about 100K. Many people cannot have their car breaking down on them, and thus opt for a new car at about 100K miles.
my honda doesn't require more maintenence, and it's at 104000 miles. they replace more stuff each time, but the trips don't become more frequent.
I'll repeat my argument again...the fact is that stuff
could go wrong, and people do it for peace of mind.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts already about 1 years old, so in 2-3 it will be about 4 years old. Its definitely feasible to start looking for a new car to replace your old one at 4 years old.
WTF??? cars are fine when they're 4 years old. My dad tries to squeeze the life out of cars. keeps em at least 12-15 years.
Look, I'm not saying they go bad at 4 years. Some people drive their cars as daily commuters, and get about 90K in 4 years. When you need a reliable car, 90K miles, even on a good car, means that stuff can start to go wrong. Thats when they look for a new car, so they go the next 90K or so miles until the next car.
cars can go up to 200k reliably with good maintenance.
I have a friend who took his TL to 260K miles and counting...all without a problem. What I'm saying is that people want peace of mind and want to know that their car will be reliable. The fact is that not all cars go to 250K miles, and the ones that do so mostly require maintenance to get there.
ALL cars require maintenance, dave. :rolleyes:
Of course they do, but the fact is, and you cant deny it, that cars do start requiring more maintenance when they reach about 100K. Many people cannot have their car breaking down on them, and thus opt for a new car at about 100K miles.
my honda doesn't require more maintenence, and it's at 104000 miles. they replace more stuff each time, but the trips don't become more frequent.
I'll repeat my argument again...the fact is that stuff could go wrong, and people do it for peace of mind.
:shrugs: i don't cos i don't have money! :lol:
Me and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
QuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
It wouldnt require Einstein's brain power to spell his name right ;) :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, the Bimmer is a sportier car, and brand bias basically tips the scales in its direction. But the A4 is still an amazing car.
QuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
QuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
I dont mind the gaping grille. It looks a lot better on the A6 and A8 than on the A4, but still, the License Plate breaks it up and splits it in two.
QuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
I dont mind the gaping grille. It looks a lot better on the A6 and A8 than on the A4, but still, the License Plate breaks it up and splits it in two.
see, the grille was designed for euro plates, which split it nicely, but ours is taller and boxier, and it makes the grille look awkward. that's the reason i don't like it.
You know what, screw it. I like my red devil over them both.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
I dont mind the gaping grille. It looks a lot better on the A6 and A8 than on the A4, but still, the License Plate breaks it up and splits it in two.
see, the grille was designed for euro plates, which split it nicely, but ours is taller and boxier, and it makes the grille look awkward. that's the reason i don't like it.
Thats kind of true, but it still breaks up the grille in some way and doesnt make it a big expanse of black.
QuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
It wouldnt require Einstein's brain power to spell his name right ;) :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, the Bimmer is a sportier car, and brand bias basically tips the scales in its direction. But the A4 is still an amazing car.
The A4's got AWD, and the interior makes the Bimmer's look like... crap.
Plus, I'd be upgrading from A4 to A4. That overtakes brand bias.
The E90 is an amazing machine, though.
I think a test drive would be the only solution.
I want to delay the decision altogether and keep my '99.
QuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
It wouldnt require Einstein's brain power to spell his name right ;) :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, the Bimmer is a sportier car, and brand bias basically tips the scales in its direction. But the A4 is still an amazing car.
The A4's got AWD, and the interior makes the Bimmer's look like... crap.
Plus, I'd be upgrading from A4 to A4. That overtakes brand bias.
The E90 is an amazing machine, though.
I think a test drive would be the only solution.
I want to delay the decision altogether and keep my '99.
I heartily disagree that the A4s interior makes the Bimmer look like crap.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
I dont mind the gaping grille. It looks a lot better on the A6 and A8 than on the A4, but still, the License Plate breaks it up and splits it in two.
see, the grille was designed for euro plates, which split it nicely, but ours is taller and boxier, and it makes the grille look awkward. that's the reason i don't like it.
Thats kind of true, but it still breaks up the grille in some way and doesnt make it a big expanse of black.
but it looks a lot more awkward and less sleek than the euro plates, for sure.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
3-er. at least you don't get the gaping grille.
I dont mind the gaping grille. It looks a lot better on the A6 and A8 than on the A4, but still, the License Plate breaks it up and splits it in two.
see, the grille was designed for euro plates, which split it nicely, but ours is taller and boxier, and it makes the grille look awkward. that's the reason i don't like it.
Thats kind of true, but it still breaks up the grille in some way and doesnt make it a big expanse of black.
but it looks a lot more awkward and less sleek than the euro plates, for sure.
Definitely. I fully agree.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
It wouldnt require Einstein's brain power to spell his name right ;) :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, the Bimmer is a sportier car, and brand bias basically tips the scales in its direction. But the A4 is still an amazing car.
The A4's got AWD, and the interior makes the Bimmer's look like... crap.
Plus, I'd be upgrading from A4 to A4. That overtakes brand bias.
The E90 is an amazing machine, though.
I think a test drive would be the only solution.
I want to delay the decision altogether and keep my '99.
I heartily disagree that the A4s interior makes the Bimmer look like crap.
(http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3040906.001/1042big.jpg)
The 760Li's interior can barely match that one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMe and my dad have been trying to decide between the '06 3-Series and the '06 A4.
The decision is one that would require Einstien's brain power.
It wouldnt require Einstein's brain power to spell his name right ;) :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, the Bimmer is a sportier car, and brand bias basically tips the scales in its direction. But the A4 is still an amazing car.
The A4's got AWD, and the interior makes the Bimmer's look like... crap.
Plus, I'd be upgrading from A4 to A4. That overtakes brand bias.
The E90 is an amazing machine, though.
I think a test drive would be the only solution.
I want to delay the decision altogether and keep my '99.
I heartily disagree that the A4s interior makes the Bimmer look like crap.
(http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3040906.001/1042big.jpg)
The 760Li's interior can barely match that one.
who cares about looking at the interior when you're having so much fun driving? and the A4's interior doesn't make the BMW's look like crap. different styles, that's all.
(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Definitely doesnt beat a 7 Series. It is far better than that interior.
(http://www.autospies.com/images/5-5-05/new-3-series/jarem-carrol/800/1072.jpg)
I think the 3er doesnt have as nice an interior as the A4, but hey, it in no way looks like crap.
Quote(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Definitely doesnt beat a 7 Series. It is far better than that interior.
That is incredible...deffinitely defeats the A4's, IMO. :o :o :o
If the A4's interior was a light color like the BMW's it'd probably be a closer competition between the two...
Being that it is in two classes above the A4, it should defeat it! I just brought it in to show Faris that the A4 interior doesnt beat the 7er.
I could sit in that 7's interior for days!
But...between the 3er and the A4 I choose the BMW as far as interior goes. And plus the BMW would probably give you more "street cred" because BMW is considered a superior brand to Audi because not as many people know of the prowess of Audi...so yeah.
QuoteQuote(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Definitely doesnt beat a 7 Series. It is far better than that interior.
That is incredible...deffinitely defeats the A4's, IMO. :o :o :o
at about twice the cost. :lol:
You guys haven't seen anything yet.
This is a world-class interior:
(http://www.automag.be/IMG/jpg/Lotus_Elise_2004_Interior_Black_RHD9-2003.jpg)
no sarcasm. ;)
QuoteYou guys haven't seen anything yet.
This is a world-class interior:
(http://www.automag.be/IMG/jpg/Lotus_Elise_2004_Interior_Black_RHD9-2003.jpg)
no sarcasm. ;)
I like the placement of the speakers... :rockon:
QuoteQuoteYou guys haven't seen anything yet.
This is a world-class interior:
(http://www.automag.be/IMG/jpg/Lotus_Elise_2004_Interior_Black_RHD9-2003.jpg)
no sarcasm. ;)
I like the placement of the speakers... :rockon:
:praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou guys haven't seen anything yet.
This is a world-class interior:
(http://www.automag.be/IMG/jpg/Lotus_Elise_2004_Interior_Black_RHD9-2003.jpg)
no sarcasm. ;)
I like the placement of the speakers... :rockon:
:praise:
But you'd think instead of having those shelfs/armrests running down the sides there they could've opened that up to make the leg shafts and seats a bit wider... <_<
QuoteAnd plus the BMW would probably give you more "street cred" because BMW is considered a superior brand to Audi because not as many people know of the prowess of Audi...so yeah.
That's the thing I hate most about the 3-Series...
Having to be seen as an arrogant snob. BMW doesn't scream 'enthusiast' anymore, it tends to scream 'wannabe Schumacher' these days.
The A4 screams "Different".
QuoteQuoteAnd plus the BMW would probably give you more "street cred" because BMW is considered a superior brand to Audi because not as many people know of the prowess of Audi...so yeah.
That's the thing I hate most about the 3-Series...
Having to be seen as an arrogant snob. BMW doesn't scream 'enthusiast' anymore, it tends to scream 'wannabe Schumacher' these days.
The A4 screams "Different".
cars scream? :lol:
QuoteQuoteAnd plus the BMW would probably give you more "street cred" because BMW is considered a superior brand to Audi because not as many people know of the prowess of Audi...so yeah.
That's the thing I hate most about the 3-Series...
Having to be seen as an arrogant snob. BMW doesn't scream 'enthusiast' anymore, it tends to scream 'wannabe Schumacher' these days.
The A4 screams "Different".
BMW has always been the yuppie car...it has always been the 'snob' car. Its the snob car because its better and it knows it. I'm out, have a good night.
QuoteQuoteAnd plus the BMW would probably give you more "street cred" because BMW is considered a superior brand to Audi because not as many people know of the prowess of Audi...so yeah.
That's the thing I hate most about the 3-Series...
Having to be seen as an arrogant snob. BMW doesn't scream 'enthusiast' anymore, it tends to scream 'wannabe Schumacher' these days.
The A4 screams "Different".
That's true as well...
Just depends on what you want...either an arrogant snob car or a car that looks normal but can be a killer when you show people what it can really do... ;) ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou guys haven't seen anything yet.
This is a world-class interior:
(http://www.automag.be/IMG/jpg/Lotus_Elise_2004_Interior_Black_RHD9-2003.jpg)
no sarcasm. ;)
I like the placement of the speakers... :rockon:
:praise:
But you'd think instead of having those shelfs/armrests running down the sides there they could've opened that up to make the leg shafts and seats a bit wider... <_<
It's an ELISE. it's SUPPOSED to be small.
i like it because it's simple. :praise:
Have you checked out the new 3er interior in person? Its alot better. I would say its on par with the A4.
Quote(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Definitely doesnt beat a 7 Series. It is far better than that interior.
If you like interiors equipped with a distracting all in one control knob that is supposed to elminate the jumble of buttons common to luxury cars but in reality doesn't and instead dictates a design that makes the jumble even more obvious than the 7-series does have a great interior. But, I will take the A4's anyday.
I'm with you on that one TBR, very distracting.
I have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
QuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
If BMW obviously gets so many complaints about iDrive...why don't they just get rid of it and go back to regular toggles and buttons...? <_<
Actually...iDrive is also the name GT (bike maker) uses for its concentric bottom bracket technology and systems...sounds like a lawsuit possibility... :o
QuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
I want to test the iDrive, gimme the keys. Do it, do it.
QuoteIf BMW obviously gets so many complaints about iDrive...why don't they just get rid of it and go back to regular toggles and buttons...? <_<
after spending tons of $$$ developing the system, they have to keep using it until they pay off the development costs.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
can you use it without looking at the knob? and by glancing at the screen from time to time? that's what you'd be doing while driving...
QuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
can you use it without looking at the knob? and by glancing at the screen from time to time? that's what you'd be doing while driving...
If you don't mind taking forever to do something.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
That really isn't feasible.
QuoteQuote(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Definitely doesnt beat a 7 Series. It is far better than that interior.
If you like interiors equipped with a distracting all in one control knob that is supposed to elminate the jumble of buttons common to luxury cars but in reality doesn't and instead dictates a design that makes the jumble even more obvious than the 7-series does have a great interior. But, I will take the A4's anyday.
at least it looks simple, but looks can be decieving. :angry:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
That really isn't feasible.
and that's why IDrive is a flop.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
That really isn't feasible.
and that's why IDrive is a flop.
It certainly hasn't been well-recieved, but it's impossible to judge its actual effect on sales.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it.? But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
That really isn't feasible.
and that's why IDrive is a flop.
It certainly hasn't been well-recieved, but it's impossible to judge its actual effect on sales.
The current BMW 7er sold better than the previous gen, so it would be hard to say that i-Drive, while hardly well received, is causing a decline in sales.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
When did you use it, and under what conditions?
I used it at an AutoShow, and found it easy to scroll. Although I admit, I am yet to use it while driving. I think I ought to pull an Ifcar and take it out for a test drive. :lol:
There you go. At the auto show, it was simple enough to navigate through the submenus to do things. However, if you are driving while trying to do that, or trying to do something quickly, it gets old fast.
yup. you have to basically memorize the whole thing so you can concentrate on the road instead of the screen.
That really isn't feasible.
and that's why IDrive is a flop.
It certainly hasn't been well-recieved, but it's impossible to judge its actual effect on sales.
The current BMW 7er sold better than the previous gen, so it would be hard to say that i-Drive, while hardly well received, is causing a decline in sales.
well, at least for me, iDrive wouldn't stop the purchase of a BMW, so that may be the rational for other buyers too.
Its hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
QuoteIts hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
The new 7 has the simpler system also.
QuoteIts hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
Only Audi and Acura have even remotely similar setups.
QuoteQuoteIts hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
Only Audi and Acura have even remotely similar setups.
and the Acura only has it on the RL.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIts hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
Only Audi and Acura have even remotely similar setups.
and the Acura only has it on the RL.
Well thats because the RL is their newest car, so naturally, it would be the only one to have the interface.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts hard to call iDrive a flop. Since it came out I think every single manufactuer, with the possible exceptions of Cadillac and Jaguar, have also introduces similar systems. You can argue about which ones are better, but iDrive in and of itself is not a bad idea.
Also keep in mind that iDrive isn't the same from model to model. The 5-series and 3-series version are simpler, and offer redundant controls of often used system (AC and Radio most obviously). Personally I have never found iDrive intrusive to the driving experience, though I would say its not something I would pay extra to get.
Only Audi and Acura have even remotely similar setups.
and the Acura only has it on the RL.
Well thats because the RL is their newest car, so naturally, it would be the only one to have the interface.
i'm just proving Mtl-A4 wrong.
QuoteI have used i-Drive and I like it. But I was talking about appearance, TBR.
For the most part, so was I. In my post you will find only one post complaining about idrive itself while the rest of the post was dedicated to complaining that idrive has a negative effect on the appearance of the cabin due to a certain layout it dictates and that it doesn't get rid of the button jumble like it was intended to. However, I am also no big fan of the way idrive works
The new M45 has a system like iDrive, and I am fairly certain the new GS has a similar system (though I haven't actually used it). And, according to spy photo's the new S-Class will also get a new system like iDrive.
QuoteThe new M45 has a system like iDrive, and I am fairly certain the new GS has a similar system (though I haven't actually used it). And, according to spy photo's the new S-Class will also get a new system like iDrive.
The new s class's interior looks too much like a 7 series. It is a complete ripoff.
QuoteThe new M45 has a system like iDrive, and I am fairly certain the new GS has a similar system (though I haven't actually used it). And, according to spy photo's the new S-Class will also get a new system like iDrive.
And if those interior spy pics of the Mercedes are accurate, I have no idea what they were thinking.
The GS certainly doesn't, and the M (like the RL) has redundant controls (voice-activated and standard buttons) for pretty much everything, like BMW should.
QuoteQuoteThe new M45 has a system like iDrive, and I am fairly certain the new GS has a similar system (though I haven't actually used it). And, according to spy photo's the new S-Class will also get a new system like iDrive.
And if those interior spy pics of the Mercedes are accurate, I have no idea what they were thinking.
The GS certainly doesn't, and the M (like the RL) has redundant controls (voice-activated and standard buttons) for pretty much everything, like BMW should.
I'll have to check on the GS, but as for whether or not Acura's or Infiniti's system is better that wasn't my point. Companies are obviously following BMW's example. Not surprisingly, the newer versions are easier to use.
As for redundant controls, keep in mind on the new 3-series it is available with and without iDrive. The 5-series has the most used things with redunant controls on the steering wheel.
But frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive? Anway we should start a different thread. I don't think this is on topic. :P
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe new M45 has a system like iDrive, and I am fairly certain the new GS has a similar system (though I haven't actually used it). And, according to spy photo's the new S-Class will also get a new system like iDrive.
And if those interior spy pics of the Mercedes are accurate, I have no idea what they were thinking.
The GS certainly doesn't, and the M (like the RL) has redundant controls (voice-activated and standard buttons) for pretty much everything, like BMW should.
I'll have to check on the GS, but as for whether or not Acura's or Infiniti's system is better that wasn't my point. Companies are obviously following BMW's example. Not surprisingly, the newer versions are easier to use.
As for redundant controls, keep in mind on the new 3-series it is available with and without iDrive. The 5-series has the most used things with redunant controls on the steering wheel.
But frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive? Anway we should start a different thread. I don't think this is on topic. :P
Yea, this went from a test drive thread to a i-drive thread.
QuoteQuoteAnway we should start a different thread. I don't think this is on topic. :P
Yea, this went from a test drive thread to a i-drive thread.
:waits:
C'mon Dave do your thing. You are the man when it comes to starting new threads! :P :P
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnway we should start a different thread. I don't think this is on topic.? :P
Yea, this went from a test drive thread to a i-drive thread.
:waits:
C'mon Dave do your thing. You are the man when it comes to starting new threads! :P :P
All right, sure thing.
QuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
QuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
The very concept is flawed IMO. Navigating through menus while controlling a 4,000-lb hunk of metal travelling at 60 miles per hour is not only annoying, it's borderline unsafe. There really isn't anything that the use of a rotary control knob will do as well as (and especially not better than) a well-designed button layout (except "clean up the dash"), so why bother with it at all?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
The very concept is flawed IMO. Navigating through menus while controlling a 4,000-lb hunk of metal travelling at 60 miles per hour is not only annoying, it's borderline unsafe. There really isn't anything that the use of a rotary control knob will do as well as (and especially not better than) a well-designed button layout (except "clean up the dash"), so why bother with it at all?
Perhaps if they had a touch screen angled at the driver he could control the screen as easily as he would press or turn a radio button.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
The very concept is flawed IMO. Navigating through menus while controlling a 4,000-lb hunk of metal travelling at 60 miles per hour is not only annoying, it's borderline unsafe. There really isn't anything that the use of a rotary control knob will do as well as (and especially not better than) a well-designed button layout (except "clean up the dash"), so why bother with it at all?
Perhaps if they had a touch screen angled at the driver he could control the screen as easily as he would press or turn a radio button.
But then you have a touch-screen system instead of a rotary knob setup. And you're still stuck plowing through submenus, you're just using your fingers. Not only is that very different from the current iDrive setup, I still don't see how that would be more useful than a standard button setup.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
The very concept is flawed IMO. Navigating through menus while controlling a 4,000-lb hunk of metal travelling at 60 miles per hour is not only annoying, it's borderline unsafe. There really isn't anything that the use of a rotary control knob will do as well as (and especially not better than) a well-designed button layout (except "clean up the dash"), so why bother with it at all?
Perhaps if they had a touch screen angled at the driver he could control the screen as easily as he would press or turn a radio button.
But then you have a touch-screen system instead of a rotary knob setup. And you're still stuck plowing through submenus, you're just using your fingers. Not only is that very different from the current iDrive setup, I still don't see how that would be more useful than a standard button setup.
It wouldnt be that hard...you have a screen, press radio, and dial in the station you want. Takes 5 seconds.
I like buttons. I have had buttons in my Passat and E320, and don't feel slighted in any way.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut frankly if you are going to make everything have a redundant control...why even have a system like iDrive?
Exactly.
Manufacturers introducing new systems, and even BMW revising its own system, have added redundant controls to improve ergonomics. And by the time they've done that, such a system has been rendered useless.
i hope idrive isn't present in the next gen BMW models.
If they fix it and make it easier to use, I see no reason no to put it in. If it becomes really easy to use, then redundant controls arent necessary, which is the beauty of the idea of i-Drive.
The very concept is flawed IMO. Navigating through menus while controlling a 4,000-lb hunk of metal travelling at 60 miles per hour is not only annoying, it's borderline unsafe. There really isn't anything that the use of a rotary control knob will do as well as (and especially not better than) a well-designed button layout (except "clean up the dash"), so why bother with it at all?
Perhaps if they had a touch screen angled at the driver he could control the screen as easily as he would press or turn a radio button.
But then you have a touch-screen system instead of a rotary knob setup. And you're still stuck plowing through submenus, you're just using your fingers. Not only is that very different from the current iDrive setup, I still don't see how that would be more useful than a standard button setup.
It wouldnt be that hard...you have a screen, press radio, and dial in the station you want. Takes 5 seconds.
Dialing in a station alone would take more than that. It would, however, take five seconds or less to press a button for the radio to turn it on, and then either scan through the various radio stations or hit a preset button to get to a specific station.
Ifcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
QuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
QuoteQuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
Again, standard audio and climate controls are on the steering wheel.
Unless you change your presets on a daily basis while driving this is not something you would use. Considering a large portion of cars don't even have this option to set preset climate settings, I would say its not something that someone would have to do while driving.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
Again, standard audio and climate controls are on the steering wheel.
Unless you change your presets on a daily basis while driving this is not something you would use. Considering a large portion of cars don't even have this option to set preset climate settings, I would say its not something that someone would have to do while driving.
Even during a 20-minute test drive, I was forced to use the iDrive system multiple times. There are some audio tuning functions that cannot be selected through the steering wheel controls, and I don't see why a driver wouldn't change the climate control settings to reflect how they're feeling at that moment.
It makes sense to introduce redundant controls that are easier to use, but by that point, it's the iDrive setup that's redundant.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
Again, standard audio and climate controls are on the steering wheel.
Unless you change your presets on a daily basis while driving this is not something you would use. Considering a large portion of cars don't even have this option to set preset climate settings, I would say its not something that someone would have to do while driving.
Even during a 20-minute test drive, I was forced to use the iDrive system multiple times. There are some audio tuning functions that cannot be selected through the steering wheel controls, and I don't see why a driver wouldn't change the climate control settings to reflect how they're feeling at that moment.
It makes sense to introduce redundant controls that are easier to use, but by that point, it's the iDrive setup that's redundant.
You are being disingenuous.
Climate controls functions are on the steering wheel, so adjustments do not require iDrive. You would only need to use iDrive if you were setting up personalized memorized set-ups.
And the steering wheel controls are redundant, but then alot of cars offer redundant controls on the steering wheel for often used things, like audio and climate controls regardless of whether they offer more complicated functions as buttons on the dash.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
Again, standard audio and climate controls are on the steering wheel.
Unless you change your presets on a daily basis while driving this is not something you would use. Considering a large portion of cars don't even have this option to set preset climate settings, I would say its not something that someone would have to do while driving.
Even during a 20-minute test drive, I was forced to use the iDrive system multiple times. There are some audio tuning functions that cannot be selected through the steering wheel controls, and I don't see why a driver wouldn't change the climate control settings to reflect how they're feeling at that moment.
It makes sense to introduce redundant controls that are easier to use, but by that point, it's the iDrive setup that's redundant.
You are being disingenuous.
Climate controls functions are on the steering wheel, so adjustments do not require iDrive. You would only need to use iDrive if you were setting up personalized memorized set-ups.
And the steering wheel controls are redundant, but then alot of cars offer redundant controls on the steering wheel for often used things, like audio and climate controls regardless of whether they offer more complicated functions as buttons on the dash.
Steering wheel controls are always redundant so far as I know (otherwise only the driver can make adjustments). Not my point.
Anyway, I do not recall exactly which was adjusted (it's been several weeks since I've used the system) but I got a detailed explanation from the salesman each time I asked how something was done, and most adjustments involved the iDrive (this was in a 750i).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIfcar, exactly what is it you are doing while driving that you would need to use iDrive for?
You do realize that audio and climate controls are also on the steering wheel, right?
iDrive is used for the Navigation system, setting channels, pre-setting climate settings, and other personalization things you do while not driving.
I don't understand why you keep insisting that iDrive is a safety hazard because its hard to use while driving.
I have never, ever felt the need to use iDrive while driving the 5-series or 3-series. Its something I would use when buying my car, or adjusting the settings between seasons and such (times, dates, etc...). Its not something you have to, or would even want to, use while driving.
climate settings are something that people change while driving.
Again, standard audio and climate controls are on the steering wheel.
Unless you change your presets on a daily basis while driving this is not something you would use. Considering a large portion of cars don't even have this option to set preset climate settings, I would say its not something that someone would have to do while driving.
Even during a 20-minute test drive, I was forced to use the iDrive system multiple times. There are some audio tuning functions that cannot be selected through the steering wheel controls, and I don't see why a driver wouldn't change the climate control settings to reflect how they're feeling at that moment.
It makes sense to introduce redundant controls that are easier to use, but by that point, it's the iDrive setup that's redundant.
You are being disingenuous.
Climate controls functions are on the steering wheel, so adjustments do not require iDrive. You would only need to use iDrive if you were setting up personalized memorized set-ups.
And the steering wheel controls are redundant, but then alot of cars offer redundant controls on the steering wheel for often used things, like audio and climate controls regardless of whether they offer more complicated functions as buttons on the dash.
Steering wheel controls are always redundant so far as I know (otherwise only the driver can make adjustments). Not my point.
Anyway, I do not recall exactly which was adjusted (it's been several weeks since I've used the system) but I got a detailed explanation from the salesman each time I asked how something was done, and most adjustments involved the iDrive (this was in a 750i).
BMW should ditch IDrive all together.
I saw two new E90s yesterday. One was bright red, saw it during the day... NICE. But red just doesn't seem to match BMWs that well. The other was silver. I had previously stated that I really don't like new colors on the 3er, but this looked alright. I still want to see one in blue, as that is my personal favorite.
A shiny black 530i caught my eye today... The E60 is best when viewed from the rear in dark colors; it looks nearly as good as its predecessor.
Hmm, just found this topic, and how interesting that I just got back from actually DRIVING a 325i hours ago.
It's not worth the hit though dude. Them Audi's take big hits. Either get your bike or wait a year or two (at least). Even though the new 325 has a silky smooth 215 HP I6, is fast, handles great, has a great interior with really nice seats, a really sharp looking exterior, a kickin standard sound system, even a standard sunroof. Not to mention RWD and that great push button start, wait, what was I saying?
QuoteHmm, just found this topic, and how interesting that I just got back from actually DRIVING a 325i hours ago.
It's not worth the hit though dude. Them Audi's take big hits. Either get your bike or wait a year or two (at least). Even though the new 325 has a silky smooth 215 HP I6, is fast, handles great, has a great interior with really nice seats, a really sharp looking exterior, a kickin standard sound system, even a standard sunroof. Not to mention RWD and that great push button start, wait, what was I saying?
:P
Yeah I think I've already decided not to trade it in. Common sense is getting the better of me. :(
QuoteQuoteHmm, just found this topic, and how interesting that I just got back from actually DRIVING a 325i hours ago.
It's not worth the hit though dude. Them Audi's take big hits. Either get your bike or wait a year or two (at least). Even though the new 325 has a silky smooth 215 HP I6, is fast, handles great, has a great interior with really nice seats, a really sharp looking exterior, a kickin standard sound system, even a standard sunroof. Not to mention RWD and that great push button start, wait, what was I saying?
:P
Yeah I think I've already decided not to trade it in. Common sense is getting the better of me. :(
Well, when it comes time to trade your Audi in, then you know what to get :)
QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm, just found this topic, and how interesting that I just got back from actually DRIVING a 325i hours ago.
It's not worth the hit though dude. Them Audi's take big hits. Either get your bike or wait a year or two (at least). Even though the new 325 has a silky smooth 215 HP I6, is fast, handles great, has a great interior with really nice seats, a really sharp looking exterior, a kickin standard sound system, even a standard sunroof. Not to mention RWD and that great push button start, wait, what was I saying?
:P
Yeah I think I've already decided not to trade it in. Common sense is getting the better of me. :(
Well, when it comes time to trade your Audi in, then you know what to get :)
An A4 3.2 DSG?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHmm, just found this topic, and how interesting that I just got back from actually DRIVING a 325i hours ago.
It's not worth the hit though dude. Them Audi's take big hits. Either get your bike or wait a year or two (at least). Even though the new 325 has a silky smooth 215 HP I6, is fast, handles great, has a great interior with really nice seats, a really sharp looking exterior, a kickin standard sound system, even a standard sunroof. Not to mention RWD and that great push button start, wait, what was I saying?
:P
Yeah I think I've already decided not to trade it in. Common sense is getting the better of me. :(
Well, when it comes time to trade your Audi in, then you know what to get :)
An A4 3.2 DSG?
Nope, a BMW 330i. :)
Now why would he do that? VWAG sucks you in. Once you buy one, you're done. It's like Pringles.
QuoteNow why would he do that? VWAG sucks you in. Once you buy one, you're done. It's like Pringles.
Once you pop the fun don't stop? :lol:
QuoteQuoteNow why would he do that? VWAG sucks you in. Once you buy one, you're done. It's like Pringles.
Once you pop the fun don't stop? :lol:
More like once you pop, you can't get the fuck out.
Eh, I love VWAG. I just am tired of my Passat.
I hate my Passat so much.
:angry:
QuoteI hate my Passat so much.
:angry:
Why? Its a great car!
QuoteQuoteI hate my Passat so much.
:angry:
Why? Its a great car!
I think it's cause it has tine skinny tires and it's FWD, according to Raza, the only FWD car he could be slightly happy driving was the Saab 9-3. (or that was what the review said at least...)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI hate my Passat so much.
:angry:
Why? Its a great car!
I think it's cause it has tine skinny tires and it's FWD, according to Raza, the only FWD car he could be slightly happy driving was the Saab 9-3. (or that was what the review said at least...)
True, but I've grown emotionally since then. It's fun for a FWD car (another couple I'd consider would be the Acura TL/TSX, Mini Cooper, and anything that's done well) but it's just nothing compared to my E320. I miss that car.