https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32687740/2021-acura-tlx-sports-sedan-photos-info/
They are guessing 350hp, I'm hoping for more. Sounds like it will be the same motor in the MDX. Probably the MDX will have the 2.0T and the 3.0T options as well to evenly compete with their German rivals.
It looks very good and sounds like Acura is ready to go back to "offer as much power as the Germans at a lower cost". Which is good. I hope they give the TLX a trick, 450hp hybrid version and tie it into the NSX too. Honda can craft a nice, hybrid performance niche with Acura.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 29, 2020, 08:58:58 AM
It looks very good and sounds like Acura is ready to go back to "offer as much power as the Germans at a lower cost". Which is good. I hope they give the TLX a trick, 450hp hybrid version and tie it into the NSX too. Honda can craft a nice, hybrid performance niche with Acura.
Yeah, but...450hp on FWD? No thanks.
Looks awesome, though.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 29, 2020, 09:58:16 AM
Yeah, but...450hp on FWD? No thanks.
Looks awesome, though.
It wouldn't be FWD. Acura's performance hybrid set up has electric motors in the rear wheels (or front wheels in the case of the NSX) creating an AWD powertrain.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 29, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
It wouldn't be FWD. Acura's performance hybrid set up has electric motors in the rear wheels (or front wheels in the case of the NSX) creating an AWD powertrain.
Ahhh that's right. That would be a fun machine.
I am moderate disappoint. Have been waiting for this reveal for MONTHS, and have postponed a purchase because of this.
All this hype about the RDX power train, which by all accounts underperforms despite the class leading stats on paper, and no mention of the turbo V6 stats, and 10-year-old infotainment tech (touch pad :smh:).
At least they put a shifter back in, and overall it does look quite good on the outside. Probably still overall a better car than the S4, C43, M340i, but not worth waiting another year for.
I think it looks good inside and out.
This, or Genesis G70?
If this was supposedly built as an all-new from the ground up, clean sheet sports sedan, why is it FWD/FWD-based AWD?
Quote from: MX793 on May 30, 2020, 12:02:32 PM
If this was supposedly built as an all-new from the ground up, clean sheet sports sedan, why is it FWD/FWD-based AWD?
Cause marketing and timing. I don't doubt that when those claims where made they are completely true and the platform was/is exclusive to the TLX. But I also don't doubt that you will see some version of this platform being used in the next gen Accord and various other Honda/Acura products going forward.
It could also be they think FWD has more sales potential (given price/packaging constraints). Audi has its own platforms that are FWD/AWD.
10 speed auto and electric power steering.
Just buy a CRV and be done with it
Quote from: Rich on June 01, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
10 speed auto and electric power steering.
Just buy a CRV and be done with it
Next CRV will probably be on the same platform!
Quote from: MX793 on June 01, 2020, 11:33:00 AM
Next CRV will probably be on the same platform!
Its funny because its true. :lol:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 01, 2020, 10:51:27 AM
It could also be they think FWD has more sales potential (given price/packaging constraints). Audi has its own platforms that are FWD/AWD.
FWD is loads cheaper to manufacture and repair than RWD. Of course engineering to include AWD mitigates that, but they often use the same platform for either...
Remember manual transmissions? I got excited for this until I saw that it's a 10-speed, like my old mountain bike. I really don't know what I'm going to do when manuals die off completely. There are already so few available.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 03, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
FWD is loads cheaper to manufacture and repair than RWD. Of course engineering to include AWD mitigates that, but they often use the same platform for either...
Manufacture, yes. Repair? Not necessarily. In fact, I'd say RWD is generally easier to work on, IME.
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
Remember manual transmissions? I got excited for this until I saw that it's a 10-speed, like my old mountain bike. I really don't know what I'm going to do when manuals die off completely. There are already so few available.
Lots of manuals in the used/classic car inventory.
Quote from: MX793 on June 04, 2020, 08:09:45 AM
Manufacture, yes. Repair? Not necessarily. In fact, I'd say RWD is generally easier to work on, IME.
I've always heard that there's more room under the hood of RWD cars.
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 04, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
Lots of manuals in the used/classic car inventory.
I suppose. But some of the tech in new cars is really cool, I do feel like I'm missing out sometimes. I just can't drive an automatic like some plebe.
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:17:48 AM
I've always heard that there's more room under the hood of RWD cars.
Generally, yes. The biggest access issue I've had with RWD is when you have relatively long engines and short hoods. The rear cylinder(s) can end up under the cowl and getting at spark plugs can be nearly impossible. Cargo vans typically have this issue and some pickups (older 5.4L Fords were notorious).
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
I suppose. But some of the tech in new cars is really cool, I do feel like I'm missing out sometimes. I just can't drive an automatic like some plebe.
Don't know if you've ever driven a "raw" sports car, that is one with no nanny features. Maybe the Z3/Z4 but even they are pretty modern. It's an entire different experience if you go back a few decades and experience a sports car/roadster than can give you a real feel of the road.
Its certainly getting tougher to find manual transmissions. Strangest to me is that it even in sportier cars they are going away. Corvette? Z4? Supra? I am curious to see if the next 370z keeps a manual.
That being said I think I will be sticking with manual for the foreseeable future. I am hoping to keep my Z3 forever, and when it comes time to replace my Golf I am fairly certain MT equivalents will still be around (WRX, another Golf R maybe).
Quote from: MX793 on June 04, 2020, 08:24:59 AM
Generally, yes. The biggest access issue I've had with RWD is when you have relatively long engines and short hoods. The rear cylinder(s) can end up under the cowl and getting at spark plugs can be nearly impossible. Cargo vans typically have this issue and some pickups (older 5.4L Fords were notorious).
But mid engined + RWD = race car. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
Remember manual transmissions? I got excited for this until I saw that it's a 10-speed, like my old mountain bike. I really don't know what I'm going to do when manuals die off completely. There are already so few available.
But a 10 speed manual would be awesome
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 04, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
Its certainly getting tougher to find manual transmissions. Strangest to me is that it even in sportier cars they are going away. Corvette? Z4? Supra? I am curious to see if the next 370z keeps a manual.
That being said I think I will be sticking with manual for the foreseeable future. I am hoping to keep my Z3 forever, and when it comes time to replace my Golf I am fairly certain MT equivalents will still be around (WRX, another Golf R maybe).
Supra didn't offer a manual with the turbo even back in the 90s (some years had the option).
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 04, 2020, 08:29:06 AM
But mid engined + RWD = race car. :lol:
Mid-engine has the same advantages/disadvantages as FWD WRT manufacture and repair. Easier to put together, harder to work on.
Quote from: MX793 on June 04, 2020, 08:33:37 AM
Mid-engine has the same advantages/disadvantages as FWD WRT manufacture and repair. Easier to put together, harder to work on.
Yeah, I hate working on cargo vans. I think we should raise our labor rate by 50% on anything cargo van.
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 04, 2020, 08:25:49 AM
Don't know if you've ever driven a "raw" sports car, that is one with no nanny features. Maybe the Z3/Z4 but even they are pretty modern. It's an entire different experience if you go back a few decades and experience a sports car/roadster than can give you a real feel of the road.
Elise? No traction control, no power steering, manual transmission, no roof.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 04, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
Its certainly getting tougher to find manual transmissions. Strangest to me is that it even in sportier cars they are going away. Corvette? Z4? Supra? I am curious to see if the next 370z keeps a manual.
That being said I think I will be sticking with manual for the foreseeable future. I am hoping to keep my Z3 forever, and when it comes time to replace my Golf I am fairly certain MT equivalents will still be around (WRX, another Golf R maybe).
I'm seriously considering a Golf R for my next car. And then I think I'll replace the Z4 with either a 964 Cabriolet or an F-Type Roadster (one of the manual versions).
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
Elise? No traction control, no power steering, manual transmission, no roof.
Elan or Lotus Super Seven would be better. Even an MGA/B, but I imagine an Elise would be less fettered than most.
Not saying you should buy one, just have the driving experience.
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 04, 2020, 08:55:59 AM
Elan or Lotus Super Seven would be better. Even an MGA/B, but I imagine an Elise would be less fettered than most.
Not saying you should buy one, just have the driving experience.
I'd definitely love to try one.
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 09:38:20 AM
I'd definitely love to try one.
Build a Locost. Or, better yet, pay me to build one for you. Then when I build one for myself, I will have already figured out how to fix my mistakes.
Just for shits, I would consider building a Locost a 4.0 I6 Jeep engine. Yeah, it's heavy. Whatever.
Quote from: Raza on June 04, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
I suppose. But some of the tech in new cars is really cool, I do feel like I'm missing out sometimes. I just can't drive an automatic like some plebe.
You can. They're great. I'll get a manual as long as I can, but a lack of one isn't gonna hold me back from getting something great. I wouldn't hold off on getting a Quadrifoglio or a C63 because it only has a (great) automatic.