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Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 02:47:19 PM
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Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 02:47:59 PM
It seems like they borrowed heavily from the 7 Series....I think Mercedes is too good to be copying designs.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 02:49:20 PM
I just beat you to posting this topic...I'll delete it since we have exactly the same posts.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 02:50:35 PM
I merged the topics together.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: Raza on June 16, 2005, 02:57:12 PM
Hmm.  

This is a mistake for Mercedes.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: giant_mtb on June 16, 2005, 02:57:35 PM
Nothing all that oustanding, imo.  The center stack sort of reminds me of the Tribeca...

(http://www.jesdc.de/news/news/pics/w221int5.jpg)

:P  (use your imagination, and mabye you'll think so, too)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: ifcar on June 16, 2005, 02:58:20 PM
I agree with Raza. The way the center stack doesn't meet the center console looks like a minivan setup more than a luxury sedan's.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 16, 2005, 03:14:39 PM
Hideous, even worse than the 7-series'. No thanks.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: Colonel Cadillac on June 16, 2005, 03:17:22 PM
The center console looks a bit "truckish". The whole interior doesn't flow the way it does in the current S-class. Could this be Mercedes' first real bomb?
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: ifcar on June 16, 2005, 03:20:24 PM
Mercedes has too much of a reputation for this model to fall short either with critics or with consumers. It would be like Honda putting out a mediocre Civic, it would still sell almost as well as an excellent one (And what do I mean "if").
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 03:27:07 PM
QuoteHideous, even worse than the 7-series'. No thanks.
Almost as bad as a 7 Series?  What do you find wrong with the layout and cosmetic design(i-Drive is a totally different story-thats functionality)?

(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 16, 2005, 03:53:54 PM
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QuoteHideous, even worse than the 7-series'. No thanks.
Almost as bad as a 7 Series?  What do you find wrong with the layout and cosmetic design(i-Drive is a totally different story-thats functionality)?

(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/bmw760li06_interior.JPG)
Why does it matter? It is an opinion. But, if you must know, the dual cowl design is ugly and the way the lower center stack slopes isn't proper for a luxury car. I am really getting tired of having to explain my opinion every time I say something bad about the styling of a BMW or LR.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 04:14:30 PM
I've really stopped lately asking you to explain your opinion, but you made it sound as if the 7er interior was just garbage....I can understand if you dont like it, but basically I'm asking, what makes it so bad...why do you consider it garbage?
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 16, 2005, 04:16:37 PM
QuoteI've really stopped lately asking you to explain your opinion, but you made it sound as if the 7er interior was just garbage....I can understand if you dont like it, but basically I'm asking, what makes it so bad...why do you consider it garbage?
I just told you.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 04:18:58 PM
When you say not proper, is that an opinion?  Or is there some etiquette that luxury cars must follow?
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 16, 2005, 04:22:12 PM
QuoteWhen you say not proper, is that an opinion?  Or is there some etiquette that luxury cars must follow?
In my opinion angles like that just don't belong in expensive cars, they belong in trucks and minivans.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 16, 2005, 04:26:24 PM
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QuoteWhen you say not proper, is that an opinion?  Or is there some etiquette that luxury cars must follow?
In my opinion angles like that just don't belong in expensive cars, they belong in trucks and minivans.
Fair enough.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: giant_mtb on June 16, 2005, 10:17:42 PM
Dave and Tim...you guys sure go at it a lot!  :P  ^_^
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: 850CSi on June 17, 2005, 12:04:02 AM
IMO the 7-Series has one of the nicest interiors in recent memory. That's not something you usually hear from me about a BMW. It works very well in beige with the darker dash colors. Attention to detail is just remarkable. The biggest problem is the lack of a proper shifter.

(http://bmwworld.com/pics/7er/5484_832.jpg)

Dave, stop posting that specific interior pic... The all-Beige interior is frankly disgusting.




On the other hand, this new S-Klasse is an abomination. I haven't seen a worse interior from MB in a long time, and that includes the pre-facelift C-Klasse.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 05:41:54 AM
I agree with you Faris about the interior being one of the nicest in recent memory, but I dont agree that the beige is "frankly disgusting."  Anyway, have you ever seen the Bimmer interior in light green Napa Leather?  thats a VERY nice interior.  The one I like the best though is the creamy, golden leather, called natural brown.  The previous gen 3er had it, and it was just flat out, my favorite leather color anywhere.

This is not a good picture that doesnt bring out the color in terms of lighting.

(http://img69.echo.cx/img69/6425/bmw77yk.jpg)

I'll try to get a better one.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 08:01:37 AM
How can the S-class' be an ambomination and the 7-serie's be on of the best interiors on the market? They are practically identical from what we have seen so far!  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: ifcar on June 17, 2005, 08:04:41 AM
Definitely not identical, I see far more Honda Odyssey in that dash design than BMW, except for the iDrive-style controller. The 7-Series has the definite advantage that the center stack meets the center console, giving it much less of a minivan feel.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: 850CSi on June 17, 2005, 08:08:05 AM
QuoteHow can the S-class' be an ambomination and the 7-serie's be on of the best interiors on the market? They are practically identical from what we have seen so far!
The 7s flows together as one unit, even if it is a bit blocky.

The S-Klasse's is a design nightmare; there are so many wrong angles the overall shape just doesn't fit. It's like jamming a puzzle piece into a place that doesn't fit.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: 850CSi on June 17, 2005, 08:11:02 AM
As much as I hate it, has anyone noticed just how HQ it all appears to be?
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: 850CSi on June 17, 2005, 08:13:56 AM
QuoteI agree with you Faris about the interior being one of the nicest in recent memory, but I dont agree that the beige is "frankly disgusting."  Anyway, have you ever seen the Bimmer interior in light green Napa Leather?  thats a VERY nice interior.  The one I like the best though is the creamy, golden leather, called natural brown.  The previous gen 3er had it, and it was just flat out, my favorite leather color anywhere.

This is not a good picture that doesnt bring out the color in terms of lighting.

(http://img69.echo.cx/img69/6425/bmw77yk.jpg)

I'll try to get a better one.
I've always loved Brown leather, and I like it a lot more than the Terra (?) leather they're offering on the E90. Someone over at C/D had a 330i with the Natural Brown and posted a pic... Awesome-In part because it was a two-tone. Audi has something similar on the A8.

I've seen the Green in person. It was very unique, to say the least.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 08:55:50 AM
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QuoteHow can the S-class' be an ambomination and the 7-serie's be on of the best interiors on the market? They are practically identical from what we have seen so far!
The 7s flows together as one unit, even if it is a bit blocky.

The S-Klasse's is a design nightmare; there are so many wrong angles the overall shape just doesn't fit. It's like jamming a puzzle piece into a place that doesn't fit.
How can you tell? Those pictures are very dark and grainy.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 08:57:06 AM
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QuoteHow can the S-class' be an ambomination and the 7-serie's be on of the best interiors on the market? They are practically identical from what we have seen so far!
The 7s flows together as one unit, even if it is a bit blocky.

The S-Klasse's is a design nightmare; there are so many wrong angles the overall shape just doesn't fit. It's like jamming a puzzle piece into a place that doesn't fit.
How can you tell? Those pictures are very dark and grainy.
Its still clear enough that you see the design.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 08:57:37 AM
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QuoteI agree with you Faris about the interior being one of the nicest in recent memory, but I dont agree that the beige is "frankly disgusting."  Anyway, have you ever seen the Bimmer interior in light green Napa Leather?  thats a VERY nice interior.  The one I like the best though is the creamy, golden leather, called natural brown.  The previous gen 3er had it, and it was just flat out, my favorite leather color anywhere.

This is not a good picture that doesnt bring out the color in terms of lighting.

(http://img69.echo.cx/img69/6425/bmw77yk.jpg)

I'll try to get a better one.
I've always loved Brown leather, and I like it a lot more than the Terra (?) leather they're offering on the E90. Someone over at C/D had a 330i with the Natural Brown and posted a pic... Awesome-In part because it was a two-tone. Audi has something similar on the A8.

I've seen the Green in person. It was very unique, to say the least.
Yea, the guy had a 330i Orient Blue with a natural brown interior.   Absolutely gorgeous!  I just love that color!
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 09:15:42 AM
This interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 09:19:22 AM
QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 09:20:44 AM
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QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
The wood in which car, the Beemer or the MB?
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
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QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
The wood in which car, the Beemer or the MB?
The MB.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 09:34:52 AM
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QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
The wood in which car, the Beemer or the MB?
The MB.
I wasn't referring the the wood in the MB (which I assume must be real), I was talking about this (grey plastic area):

(http://img286.echo.cx/img286/8826/mbint9an.jpg)

as apposed to this (polished wood area):

(http://img286.echo.cx/img286/3756/bmwint7vm.jpg)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: giant_mtb on June 17, 2005, 09:40:33 AM
God I could live in that car...

(http://img286.echo.cx/img286/3756/bmwint7vm.jpg)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 09:41:44 AM
QuoteGod I could live in that car...
If you were paying for it, you might have to.  ;)  
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Post by: giant_mtb on June 17, 2005, 09:44:12 AM
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QuoteGod I could live in that car...
If you were paying for it, you might have to.  ;)
How much does that car cost?  Is that 7? Or a 5..?
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Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 09:46:31 AM
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QuoteGod I could live in that car...
If you were paying for it, you might have to.  ;)
How much does that car cost?  Is that 7? Or a 5..?
7-series. Base price is approx. $ 69,900, but can exceed $120,00. As a side note, the interior of the 5-series is not nearly as attractive and has been known to induce vomiting.
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Post by: giant_mtb on June 17, 2005, 09:49:09 AM
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QuoteGod I could live in that car...
If you were paying for it, you might have to.  ;)
How much does that car cost?  Is that 7? Or a 5..?
7-series. Base price is approx. $ 69,900, but can exceed $120,00. As a side note, the interior of the 5-series is not nearly as attractive and has been known to induce vomiting.
120 thousand...wow.  If I bought two base models that is only about 40 thousand less then my house!!   :o


And...after Googling, the 5 series is nice, but it's not all that great.  The colors don't match.  But it's still nicer than any car I've owned or ridden in, so I don't have much to complain about.  ;)  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 09:52:39 AM
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QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
How can you tell what the wood looks like from those pics? They are much too dark to get an accurate impression and keep in mind that this is a prototype, actual production vehicles might be radically different for all we know. And, the 5-series' interior looks almost exactly like the 7-series'. And, if you want to talk about hideous steering wheels, the 7-series' is one of the worst ones I have ever seen.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: giant_mtb on June 17, 2005, 09:53:55 AM
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QuoteThis interior looks similar to that of the 7-series only it has a much less cohesive feel and uses what appear to be cheap materials. In the bottom part of the center stack, where BMW uses authentic polished wood, MB seems to have used a "textured plastic" that looks like it's straight out of my 19K 6. And that steering wheel is hideous.
I'm not sure if the wood is real, but it looks very cheesy to me.
How can you tell what the wood looks like from those pics? They are much too dark to get an accurate impression and keep in mind that this is a prototype, actual production vehicles might be radically different for all we know. And, the 5-series' interior looks almost exactly like the 7-series'. And, if you want to talk about hideous steering wheels, the 7-series' is one of the worst ones I have ever seen.
Ehhh yeah, the 7's wheel is pretty awkward.  I've seen worse, though.  Like the Mitsu Galant, I believe.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: mazda6er on June 17, 2005, 10:01:18 AM
QuoteHow can you tell what the wood looks like from those pics? They are much too dark to get an accurate impression and keep in mind that this is a prototype, actual production vehicles might be radically different for all we know. And, the 5-series' interior looks almost exactly like the 7-series'. And, if you want to talk about hideous steering wheels, the 7-series' is one of the worst ones I have ever seen.
Similar, but my no means exactly the same. The materials qualities seems to drop off pretty quick in my opinion. (http://www.bmwnation.com/images/gallery/5/e60e61/e60_5series_interior_01_s.jpg)
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Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 10:04:43 AM
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QuoteHow can you tell what the wood looks like from those pics? They are much too dark to get an accurate impression and keep in mind that this is a prototype, actual production vehicles might be radically different for all we know. And, the 5-series' interior looks almost exactly like the 7-series'. And, if you want to talk about hideous steering wheels, the 7-series' is one of the worst ones I have ever seen.
Similar, but my no means exactly the same. The materials qualities seems to drop off pretty quick in my opinion. (http://www.bmwnation.com/images/gallery/5/e60e61/e60_5series_interior_01_s.jpg)
I see.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 10:07:40 AM
TBR, do you mean the top wheel or the bottom wheel?

(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0207/7series_beforeafterint.jpg)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: 850CSi on June 17, 2005, 10:25:49 AM
QuoteTBR, do you mean the top wheel or the bottom wheel?

(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0207/7series_beforeafterint.jpg)
Wow, look how much nicer the top interior is... Gotta love two-tones.



I think he meant the bottom one. I also think it's kind of hideous.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 02:47:36 PM
I actually like the bottom wheel better.  It is sportier IMO.
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: ifcar on June 17, 2005, 03:58:11 PM
I like the top wheel, not as sporty but more in line with the rest of the interior.
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Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 04:21:22 PM
QuoteTBR, do you mean the top wheel or the bottom wheel?

(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0207/7series_beforeafterint.jpg)
The bottom one. The other one is alright, though not a particular favorite of mine.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 17, 2005, 04:23:48 PM
The VW Phaeton has a steering wheel similar to the top one:

(http://www.wintonsworld.com/cars/carpics/vw-phaeton-3.jpg)
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: TBR on June 17, 2005, 04:24:56 PM
QuoteThe VW Phaeton has a steering wheel similar to the top one:

(http://www.wintonsworld.com/cars/carpics/vw-phaeton-3.jpg)
Yep, they are almost exactly the same.  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: Raza on June 18, 2005, 03:38:53 PM
Do the shift buttons work?  
Title: Interior Pics: New S-Class
Post by: BMWDave on June 18, 2005, 08:24:09 PM
QuoteDo the shift buttons work?
Yes they do.