QuoteAmericans are driving well below the speed limit on average, according to new data by Tele Atlas, the mapping unit of sat-nav maker TomTom.
Using data collected anonymously from millions of GPS systems in use on US roads, it discovered that average speeds don't top 70mph in any US state.
The fastest stretch of motorway in the US is the I-15, which runs from Utah to Nevada. The average speed of vehicles tracked on this road was 77.67mph, even though the speed limit is 80mph in places.
The area where drivers are most likely to push the limits is Mississippi, but even then the average speed was 70mph - exactly the motorway limit.
The slowest drivers came from the District of Columbia, where motorway drivers average just 46mph.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/247132/#
I need to see their methods before I believe that.
Well, yeah, AVAERAGE speeds don't top 70, because you tend to spend WAY more time on secondary roads, in traffic, and in town than on the open interstate. WAY more people are driving in urban/suburban areas and on secondary roads than are driving on interstates at any given time. So overall, all driving factored in, the average WILL be slower than the maximum speed.
Ha! What a useless statistic. DC is jammed up all the time.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 29, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Well, yeah, AVAERAGE speeds don't top 70, because you tend to spend WAY more time on secondary roads, in traffic, and in town than on the open interstate. WAY more people are driving in urban/suburban areas and on secondary roads than are driving on interstates at any given time. So overall, all driving factored in, the average WILL be slower than the maximum speed.
They don't make it clear what their average is of. If the number they give is all driving all the time, like you say, then the average freeway speed has got to be way high. But this number is too low for the average freeway speed, unless they're also counting semis or something.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 29, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Well, yeah, AVAERAGE speeds don't top 70, because you tend to spend WAY more time on secondary roads, in traffic, and in town than on the open interstate. WAY more people are driving in urban/suburban areas and on secondary roads than are driving on interstates at any given time. So overall, all driving factored in, the average WILL be slower than the maximum speed.
I believe your assessment is correct.
Quote from: R-inge on January 29, 2010, 02:09:53 PM
I believe your assessment is correct.
I believe your assessment of his assessment is correct.
Quote from: SVT_Power on January 29, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
I believe your assessment of his assessment is correct.
I believe your assessment of his assessment of
his assessment is correct.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2010, 03:11:15 PM
I believe your assessment of his assessment of his assessment is correct.
I believe your assessment of my assessment of his assessment of his assessment is correct.
You guys are crappy assessors.
Did someone say assessor?
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:lol:
The average speed around DC is about 85mph when there is no traffic (say between 10pm and 6am) and about 15mph the rest of the time...
Quote from: r0tor on January 29, 2010, 05:11:04 PM
The average speed around DC is about 85mph when there is no traffic (say between 10pm and 6am) and about 15mph the rest of the time...
The immediate DC area has only one stretch of roadway with speed limits of over 55 -- Route 50 between the DC Beltway and Annapolis -- and there are just two more even when you move into the sticks. Someone doing 85 is going to have their average cut down sharply by sitting on the shoulder in front of a cop.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 29, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Well, yeah, AVAERAGE speeds don't top 70, because you tend to spend WAY more time on secondary roads, in traffic, and in town than on the open interstate. WAY more people are driving in urban/suburban areas and on secondary roads than are driving on interstates at any given time. So overall, all driving factored in, the average WILL be slower than the maximum speed.
It appears they were tracking speeds on particular roadways, not in overall, day to day driving.
Lol, the first time I used my new Garmin I had to set a nice max speed (high score, woot!). I think its 170 something kph...
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on January 30, 2010, 01:00:42 AM
Lol, the first time I used my new Garmin I had to set a nice max speed (high score, woot!). I think its 170 something kph...
We all know you like to wear a lot of lead in your shoes, man..... :pullover:
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on January 30, 2010, 01:00:42 AM
Lol, the first time I used my new Garmin I had to set a nice max speed (high score, woot!). I think its 170 something kph...
Wow, I thought I was the only one who tried to play that game.
My sister bought a tomtom (she didn't need one, stupidest purchase ever) that my Dad and I used (hardly) on our midwest/southwest excursion. I had to set the "high score" on that. 122 mph. Deserted, arrow-straight, cop-less roads in Utah+V8 Camaro FTMFW.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:54:46 AM
Wow, I thought I was the only one who tried to play that game.
My sister bought a tomtom (she didn't need one, stupidest purchase ever) that my Dad and I used (hardly) on our midwest/southwest excursion. I had to set the "high score" on that. 122 mph. Deserted, arrow-straight, cop-less roads in Utah+V8 Camaro FTMFW.
:ohyeah:
Isn't that around the time you ended up getting 'cuffed?
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 07:56:33 AM
:ohyeah:
Isn't that around the time you ended up getting 'cuffed?
2 days before, yes.
Hell, only about half an hour before I got nailed, I hit about 115 or so. My Dad's theory is that they got me by helicopter.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:58:28 AM
2 days before, yes.
Hell, only about half an hour before I got nailed, I hit about 115 or so. My Dad's theory is that they got me by helicopter.
You're my idol, man.... :lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
You're my idol, man.... :lol:
No I'm not, not when Dad pays the speeding ticket.
That just makes me a fucking idiot, not a badass in any way, shape, or form.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:13:41 AM
No I'm not, not when Dad pays the speeding ticket.
That just makes me a fucking idiot, not a badass in any way, shape, or form.
I was just kidding around, man. :ohyeah:
You have the right attitude, BTW.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 08:17:50 AM
I was just kidding around, man. :ohyeah:
You have the right attitude, BTW.
You could call it the right attitude, but it's 100% true.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:18:44 AM
You could call it the right attitude, but it's 100% true.
I meant that you had the right attitude by acknowledging that your dad paid the ticket and that you don't deserve 'credit' for being a badass.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 08:21:17 AM
I meant that you had the right attitude by acknowledging that your dad paid the ticket and that you don't deserve 'credit' for being a badass.
Yeah, I'd like to think so, at least.
I doubt that'll be my last speeding ticket, but it will be my last under my Dad's wallet (I'll make sure of it). I do speed, but I'm quite a bit more careful about it.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:23:29 AM
Yeah, I'd like to think so, at least.
I doubt that'll be my last speeding ticket, but it will be my last under my Dad's wallet (I'll make sure of it). I do speed, but I'm quite a bit more careful about it.
You have the right idea. You should never do something if you can't handle the consequences.
So how pissed was your dad? I mean it sounds like he sort of encouraged it so I doubt he was that mad.
Quote from: R-inge on January 30, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
So how pissed was your dad? I mean it sounds like he sort of encouraged it so I doubt he was that mad.
He definitely encouraged it. I didn't have 'cool' parents, so I find the concept foreign.
Quote from: R-inge on January 30, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
So how pissed was your dad? I mean it sounds like he sort of encouraged it so I doubt he was that mad.
He wasn't.
As soon as we got out of the police station, he told me that he got his first ticket in a rental Hyundai while I got mine in a rental Camaro. He also said that he anticipated something of the sort to happen (as a result of renting a V8 Camaro), but he thought it was "worth it."
He just made me promise not to tell my mom (who doesn't know, to this day).
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:29:19 AM
He wasn't.
As soon as we got out of the police station, he told me that he got his first ticket in a rental Hyundai while I got mine in a rental Camaro. He also said that he anticipated something of the sort to happen (as a result of renting a V8 Camaro), but he thought it was "worth it."
He just made me promise not to tell my mom (who doesn't know, to this day).
That's pretty funny. He knew your mom would be mad at him for encouraging you to speed. There's a special relationship between fathers and sons based on shared maleness that a mother couldn't fully understand (just as a father can't fully understand a mother-daughter relationship).
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
That's pretty funny. He knew your mom would be mad at him for encouraging you to speed. There's a special relationship between fathers and sons based on shared maleness that a mother couldn't fully understand (just as a father can't fully understand a mother-daughter relationship).
That's absolutely right. He knew my mom would flip a shit if she found out, so it's better she didn't.
I'm amazed at how, well, cool my Dad is.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:32:27 AM
That's absolutely right. He knew my mom would flip a shit if she found out, so it's better she didn't.
I'm amazed at how, well, cool my Dad is.
This is just another example of the vanishing 'generation gap.' My generation had much more of a gap between kids and parents. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. Probably both.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 08:34:15 AM
This is just another example of the vanishing 'generation gap.' My generation had much more of a gap between kids and parents. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. Probably both.
I never really noticed any such thing.
The more I see it, my dad and I really are the same person.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 08:38:50 AM
I never really noticed any such thing.
The more I see it, my dad and I really are the same person.
Is that why you posed as a doctor when you first posted here? :evildude:
My dad never permitted speeding.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 09:06:46 AM
Is that why you posed as a doctor when you first posted here? :evildude:
Perhaps. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on January 30, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
My dad never permitted speeding.
My dad speeds a decent amount himself and he knows it would be hypocritical (and ultimately pointless) to have me follow the speed limit as though doing otherwise would kill me.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 09:48:46 AM
Perhaps. :lol:
My dad speeds a decent amount himself and he knows it would be hypocritical (and ultimately pointless) to have me follow the speed limit as though doing otherwise would kill me.
I have to be honest though, I don't think I'd be as 'cool' as your dad is about it. Car crashes are the number one cause of death for teenaged boys and young men, and I think I'd try to discourage fast driving in a guy that age, hoping that that will make him more restrained in his driving than he would otherwise be.
Quote from: MX793 on January 29, 2010, 09:13:45 PM
It appears they were tracking speeds on particular roadways, not in overall, day to day driving.
Where does it say that? it uses particular roadways as examples but it doesn't say they were only tracking those roadways.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 30, 2010, 09:56:33 AM
I have to be honest though, I don't think I'd be as 'cool' as your dad is about it. Car crashes are the number one cause of death for teenaged boys and young men, and I think I'd try to discourage fast driving in a guy that age, hoping that that will make him more restrained in his driving than he would otherwise be.
I guess it's just the way I've been brought up. There's nothing my dad has restricted me from doing and he knows me well enough to know that if I know something was completely irresponsible and would indeed put my life in danger I wouldn't.
In my defense, the road on which I was speeding was DESERTED and was wide enough to accommodate such a speed. Had there been more cars on the road, I definitely would not have been driving that fast.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 09:48:46 AM
My dad speeds a decent amount himself and he knows it would be hypocritical (and ultimately pointless) to have me follow the speed limit as though doing otherwise would kill me.
My dad doesn't speed much if at all either, especially never with passengers and not since he sold his AMX, but he always figured that hypocrisy had nothing to do with it; it had more to do with the complete lack of skill in a 16 year old driver.
Quote from: R-inge on January 30, 2010, 11:51:13 AM
My dad doesn't speed much if at all either, especially never with passengers and not since he sold his AMX, but he always figured that hypocrisy had nothing to do with it; it had more to do with the complete lack of skill in a 16 year old driver.
Probably. I don't know, my dad seems to have a lot in trust in me and feels that I am responsible. He's always been of the opinion that if a parent exposes their kid to something, they're less likely to go buck wild with that particular thing once they gain access to it without any supervision.
Example: My dad never hid alcohol from me. It was always firmly within reach and I took my first sip of beer at like age 5 and decided it was vile shit. I never had much of a desire to try alcohol (not that I haven't since then), but it's not something I have problems with, nor is it something I abuse (unlike many other kids my age).
I don't find this surprising at all. At least, as far as Montanans are concerned. The speed limit on the Interstates is 75 mph, I set my cruise control to 76ish, and I was passed once, by another Albertan.
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 12:22:37 PM
I don't find this surprising at all. At least, as far as Montanans are concerned. The speed limit on the Interstates is 75 mph, I set my cruise control to 76ish, and I was passed once, by another Albertan.
Sounds about right. They oughtta do this test in Canada. I hope it will end up proving that most people where I live drive well under the limits, and hope it will finally prove that those lunatics in Quebec all think they belong to the Villenueve family. Last I spent time driving on highways in that province, I ended up getting my speedometer checked.
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 12:22:37 PM
I don't find this surprising at all. At least, as far as Montanans are concerned. The speed limit on the Interstates is 75 mph, I set my cruise control to 76ish, and I was passed once, by another Albertan.
That sort of confirms my theory that people will drive the speed at which they feel comfortable, regardless of speed limit. Around here, the speed limit is 55 mph, and when traffic permits, people drive basically the same speed as they do in Montana.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 30, 2010, 11:22:49 AM
Where does it say that? it uses particular roadways as examples but it doesn't say they were only tracking those roadways.
If fact, it doesn't say a damn thing about their methods.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 30, 2010, 11:22:49 AM
Where does it say that? it uses particular roadways as examples but it doesn't say they were only tracking those roadways.
The article states the study was focused exclusively on average "motorway" (which is British for highway) speeds.
Note that it mentions the average speed of 70 mph for Mississippi. The average driver probably spends about 50% of their time in city/suburban driving (25-40 mph) and 50% on the highways. If that's the case and they're looking at total average speeds, the only way people are going to average 70 mph overall is if they are traveling triple digits on the highways (or are traveling at highways speeds on city/suburban streets). Neither scenario seems likely, which means they must not be including city driving in their speed averages.
Indeed. The question becomes, of course, what are they including?
Well, I mean, they did include specific examples of highway/freeway areas where drivers were averaging under the limit. :huh:
Pretty meaningless...
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
I guess it's just the way I've been brought up. There's nothing my dad has restricted me from doing and he knows me well enough to know that if I know something was completely irresponsible and would indeed put my life in danger I wouldn't.
In my defense, the road on which I was speeding was DESERTED and was wide enough to accommodate such a speed. Had there been more cars on the road, I definitely would not have been driving that fast.
It's great that you dad has such trust in you. Make sure you live up to that trust. It would be terrible to let him down.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 31, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
It's great that you dad has such trust in you. Make sure you live up to that trust. It would be terrible to let him down.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm sure that's a large factor in my not doing stupid shit.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 31, 2010, 09:17:08 AM
Oh, absolutely.
I'm sure that's a large factor in my not doing stupid shit.
:ohyeah:
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on January 29, 2010, 01:18:11 PM
The area where drivers are most likely to push the limits is Mississippi, but even then the average speed was 70mph - exactly the motorway limit.
I believe my max of 130 in Mississippi threw off the statistics a little bit :devil:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on January 31, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
I believe my max of 130 in Mississippi threw off the statistics a little bit :devil:
Dude, if you'd gotten snagged at that speed with Connecticut plates down there, those good ole boys would probably have fed you to the alligators in one of their swamps. I don't think we'd ever have heard from you again, man. :lockedup:
Quote from: dazzleman on January 31, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
Dude, if you'd gotten snagged at that speed with Connecticut plates down there, those good ole boys would probably have fed you to the alligators in one of their swamps. I don't think we'd ever have heard from you again, man. :lockedup:
You've seen
My Cousin Vinny? It would be like that, except without Vinny.
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on January 31, 2010, 03:46:43 PM
You've seen My Cousin Vinny? It would be like that, except without Vinny.
:lol:
Dude, I love that movie... :ohyeah:
Of course you do.
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on January 31, 2010, 04:40:51 PM
Of course you do.
:lol:
What's that supposed to mean? :heated:
:lol:
It is a very funny movie. I like comedies, especially those oriented around crazy schemes and generally wild behavior.
I love the movie "Porkys." Did you ever see it?
Quote from: ifcar on January 29, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
The immediate DC area has only one stretch of roadway with speed limits of over 55 -- Route 50 between the DC Beltway and Annapolis -- and there are just two more even when you move into the sticks. Someone doing 85 is going to have their average cut down sharply by sitting on the shoulder in front of a cop.
The last time i was on I-95 between Baltimore and DC it was late at night and I had the cruise control set at 85mph and I was the slowest person on the road it felt like
oh my little speeding story...
Right after I got my Probe-GT (i was a bit over 17) my dad went driving with me.... we got on this long straight backroad and pretty much said "I know eventually your gonna fly like a bat out of hell in this thing - so i'd rather be there for the first time.... floor it". I mashed the pedal and somewhere around 130mph he said "ok, thats enough....."
Good story r0tor..:ohyeah:
Quote from: dazzleman on January 31, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
What's that supposed to mean? :heated:
:lol:
This:
Quote
It is a very funny movie. I like comedies, especially those oriented around crazy schemes and generally wild behavior.
:lol:
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I love the movie "Porkys." Did you ever see it?
Nope.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 31, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
Dude, if you'd gotten snagged at that speed with Connecticut plates down there, those good ole boys would probably have fed you to the alligators in one of their swamps. I don't think we'd ever have heard from you again, man. :lockedup:
Life would not have fun. There is almost no police presence on those roads though. I averaged 95-100 there, slowed down here or there for suspicious corners or the "emergency vehicles only" roads in the middle.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on January 31, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
Life would not have fun. There is almost no police presence on those roads though. I averaged 95-100 there, slowed down here or there for suspicious corners or the "emergency vehicles only" roads in the middle.
MS doesn't give a rat's ass about anything. I20 is really easy to speed on too (especially in LA, but I imagine you get off before then).
Quote from: TBR on February 01, 2010, 12:46:29 AM
MS doesn't give a rat's ass about anything. I20 is really easy to speed on too (especially in LA, but I imagine you get off before then).
The LA highways seem to have a bit more enforcement, but I've only driven in the coastal, more populated areas. I think driving back up to CT puts me through LA in about a couple hours IIRC, and with a good portion of that on a bridge.
Quote from: dazzleman on January 31, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
Dude, if you'd gotten snagged at that speed with Connecticut plates down there, those good ole boys would probably have fed you to the alligators in one of their swamps. I don't think we'd ever have heard from you again, man. :lockedup:
Before my GPS was stolen, I was pretty proud that its max speed read 130 :praise:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on February 01, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
The LA highways seem to have a bit more enforcement, but I've only driven in the coastal, more populated areas. I think driving back up to CT puts me through LA in about a couple hours IIRC, and with a good portion of that on a bridge.
The thing about the Louisiana stretch of I-20 is that there's almost nowhere for a cop to hide. It's flat, straight, and relatively clear.
Quote from: ifcar on January 29, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
The immediate DC area has only one stretch of roadway with speed limits of over 55 -- Route 50 between the DC Beltway and Annapolis -- and there are just two more even when you move into the sticks. Someone doing 85 is going to have their average cut down sharply by sitting on the shoulder in front of a cop.
not it! :lol:
I only drove over 70mph on the beltway or Baltimore/Washington parkway. (both 55mph)
Quote from: r0tor on January 31, 2010, 05:37:33 PM
oh my little speeding story...
My first ticket was 42 in a 20mph. Abandoned road which made a nice shortcut through part of town. I did 20mph in the housing area then opened it up a little around a hill.. :(
I had my license less than 3 months, I was in the band and had to play the homecoming football game after school- but just HAD to get some mickey D's first.
Half the school saw me pulled over and laughed at me when I got back to the school for the game.
do you two know each other?
yeah, shes my fiance.
well that would certainly explain the hostility
:lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 01, 2010, 06:33:03 AM
My first ticket was 42 in a 20mph. Abandoned road which made a nice shortcut through part of town. I did 20mph in the housing area then opened it up a little around a hill.. :(
I had my license less than 3 months, I was in the band and had to play the homecoming football game after school- but just HAD to get some mickey D's first.
Half the school saw me pulled over and laughed at me when I got back to the school for the game.
Haha, that's hilarious, man. It's always great when your friends see you in a situation like that..... :lol:
Heh, I was caught three times in one month in NH, each time doing speeds which surely warranted a ticket (once doing 80 in a 55) and yet got off with a verbal warning each time. Sweet.
Quote from: R-inge on February 06, 2010, 02:32:27 PM
Heh, I was caught three times in one month in NH, each time doing speeds which surely warranted a ticket (once doing 80 in a 55) and yet got off with a verbal warning each time. Sweet.
I got caught in Maine doing about 70 in a 40. They day before, I had received a ticket in NH for doing 85 in a 65. Cop asks me where I'm going. Response: back to RI. Cop- "well, you won't make it too far if you keep going like that. Slow down." No ticket!
Quote from: R-inge on February 06, 2010, 02:32:27 PM
Heh, I was caught three times in one month in NH, each time doing speeds which surely warranted a ticket (once doing 80 in a 55) and yet got off with a verbal warning each time. Sweet.
:rage:
Why couldn't that ever happen to me?
Quote from: J86 on February 06, 2010, 02:56:54 PM
I got caught in Maine doing about 70 in a 40. They day before, I had received a ticket in NH for doing 85 in a 65. Cop asks me where I'm going. Response: back to RI. Cop- "well, you won't make it too far if you keep going like that. Slow down." No ticket!
What the hell were you doing going 70MPH in a 40?! Aren't 40's usually residential/commercial areas with lots of traffic/people? :confused:
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2010, 03:54:02 PM
What the hell were you doing going 70MPH in a 40?! Aren't 40's usually residential/commercial areas with lots of traffic/people? :confused:
Not too familiar w/ rural ME roads are ya?
Quote from: J86 on February 06, 2010, 02:56:54 PM
I got caught in Maine doing about 70 in a 40. They day before, I had received a ticket in NH for doing 85 in a 65. Cop asks me where I'm going. Response: back to RI. Cop- "well, you won't make it too far if you keep going like that. Slow down." No ticket!
You were lucky, man. Two tickets in 2 days wouldn't have been such a great thing. I once got two tickets within 10 minutes of each other. I was pretty pissed at myself for being stupid enough to allow it to happen.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2010, 03:54:02 PM
What the hell were you doing going 70MPH in a 40?! Aren't 40's usually residential/commercial areas with lots of traffic/people? :confused:
Speed limits in Maine are best ignored, because they don't make any damn sense.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 06, 2010, 04:04:13 PM
Speed limits in Maine are best ignored, because they don't make any damn sense.
Speed limits in most places are best ignored. That's always been my driving philosophy.
Quote from: dazzleman on February 06, 2010, 04:05:38 PM
Speed limits in most places are best ignored. That's always been my driving philosophy.
Some of the speed limits on CT back roads are waaaaaay too fast for normal people. That would be fine if "speed limits" were actually limits, but most everyone takes them as "speed minimums"
Quote from: dazzleman on February 06, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
You were lucky, man. Two tickets in 2 days wouldn't have been such a great thing. I once got two tickets within 10 minutes of each other. I was pretty pissed at myself for being stupid enough to allow it to happen.
Yeah, this was back in high school, I would NOT have enjoyed trying to keep that hidden.
I'm sure you'd have pulled it off, Josh..:praise:
Quote from: dazzleman on February 06, 2010, 04:05:38 PM
Speed limits in most places are best ignored. That's always been my driving philosophy.
There's a really wide open road on the edge of town that's 25 mph. The only thing that's there is a paper factory. Cops love to sit there sniping people because it feels more like it should be 35-45 mph.
Paper is very fragile. You must be careful around it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 07, 2010, 05:01:13 PM
Paper is very fragile. You must be careful around it.
They need to invest in paper weights! :rage: