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Post by: Catman on September 04, 2005, 06:19:28 PM
Link (http://www.caranddriver.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=67687) :rolleyes:  
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Post by: Raza on September 04, 2005, 07:16:03 PM
This doesn't happen often, but I'm with you, Greg.  

Law enforcement for 15 years!  That's a long time.  
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Post by: BMWDave on September 04, 2005, 07:19:04 PM
I'm also with Greg on this one...the lady is going through hell at that moment as it is, she doesnt need another ticket at the moment.
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Post by: Raza on September 04, 2005, 07:20:32 PM
QuoteI'm also with Greg on this one...the lady is going through hell at that moment as it is, she doesnt need another ticket at the moment.
Totally...the universe decided to take a massive shit on her at that point, it would be nice if the cop were to clean a little of it off.
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Post by: Raghavan on September 04, 2005, 07:42:38 PM
Sucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
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Post by: dazzleman on September 04, 2005, 07:48:26 PM
A ticket is nothing next to a real accident.  I'd take a ticket any day over an accident.

It makes no sense to give her a ticket at that point.  Kind of like pouring a few drops of water over somebody who's already dripping wet.

Everything is relative.  To get a ticket in a vacuum may suck, but compared to getting your car whacked, it's nothing.

I applaud Catman's good sense and compassion.  He's the type of officer we need out there.  Getting your car whacked is punishment enough, far worse than the standard punishment for speeding.
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Post by: Catman on September 04, 2005, 08:05:04 PM
Some people think we need no descretion, like robots. :rolleyes:  
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Post by: Raza on September 04, 2005, 08:20:14 PM
QuoteSome people think we need no descretion, like robots. :rolleyes:
The probkem is that there are not nearly enough cops out there with heads on their shoulders as good as yours.
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Post by: Catman on September 04, 2005, 08:25:55 PM
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QuoteSome people think we need no descretion, like robots. :rolleyes:
The probkem is that there are not nearly enough cops out there with heads on their shoulders as good as yours.
Well, thanks but I'd disagree.  I think that your more apt to run into the overzealous ones because your a punk. ;)  :lol:
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Post by: dazzleman on September 04, 2005, 08:34:29 PM
QuoteWell, thanks but I'd disagree.  I think that your more apt to run into the overzealous ones because your a punk. ;)  :lol:
Catman, you're probably right.  I've come across some hard-azz cops as well as some really cool ones, but I can't say I've ever been treated worse than I've deserved by an officer.  People who complain a lot about how they're treated by police are usually not particularly law-abiding, and I usually find it hard to take their complaints too seriously.

All in all, we can't expect cops to all be laid-back nice guys.  We need them to be tough and hard sometimes, for our own protection.  Many of the cops in my town are pretty tough, and that's just the way I like it because it helps keeps crime down.  If that means I'm less likely to get a break if I get pulled over for speeding, so be it.  I'd rather get a speeding ticket than live with rampant crime.  People can't just flip a switch and go from being really tough with criminals to being Mr. Nice Guy with the public.

What I generally tell people who have a problem with cops is -- don't put yourself into a situation in which you have to deal with them very often.  Obey the law, don't get pulled over, and you won't have much of a problem.  If you do have to deal with them on occasion, be polite and don't show a resentful attitude.  Officers often expect the worst when pulling over somebody who appears to be a punk, and if you show them better than they expect, and give them a pleasant surprise, the encounter will be a lot easier for both parties.
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Post by: Catman on September 04, 2005, 08:43:55 PM
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QuoteWell, thanks but I'd disagree.  I think that your more apt to run into the overzealous ones because your a punk. ;)  :lol:
Catman, you're probably right.  I've come across some hard-azz cops as well as some really cool ones, but I can't say I've ever been treated worse than I've deserved by an officer.  People who complain a lot about how they're treated by police are usually not particularly law-abiding, and I usually find it hard to take their complaints too seriously.

All in all, we can't expect cops to all be laid-back nice guys.  We need them to be tough and hard sometimes, for our own protection.  Many of the cops in my town are pretty tough, and that's just the way I like it because it helps keeps crime down.  If that means I'm less likely to get a break if I get pulled over for speeding, so be it.  I'd rather get a speeding ticket than live with rampant crime.  People can't just flip a switch and go from being really tough with criminals to being Mr. Nice Guy with the public.

What I generally tell people who have a problem with cops is -- don't put yourself into a situation in which you have to deal with them very often.  Obey the law, don't get pulled over, and you won't have much of a problem.  If you do have to deal with them on occasion, be polite and don't show a resentful attitude.  Officers often expect the worst when pulling over somebody who appears to be a punk, and if you show them better than they expect, and give them a pleasant surprise, the encounter will be a lot easier for both parties.
I'd agree with that. ;)  
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Post by: dazzleman on September 04, 2005, 08:53:07 PM
Catman, what's your opinion of community policing?  Is it more of a big city issue than a town issue?
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Post by: Catman on September 04, 2005, 09:41:26 PM
QuoteCatman, what's your opinion of community policing?  Is it more of a big city issue than a town issue?
I think it's a practice that's been done for a long time by progressive thinking officers.  Now they hve a term for it. ;)   I don't think it's success or failure is dependant on the size of the municipality.  It has more to do with how much freedom management gives individual officers.
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Post by: dazzleman on September 04, 2005, 09:49:31 PM
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QuoteCatman, what's your opinion of community policing?  Is it more of a big city issue than a town issue?
I think it's a practice that's been done for a long time by progressive thinking officers.  Now they hve a term for it. ;)   I don't think it's success or failure is dependant on the size of the municipality.  It has more to do with how much freedom management gives individual officers.
I remember in the early 1990s in New York, Mayor Dinkins brought in Lee Brown from Houston, and he instituted community policing.  In theory, it meant that officers were closer to the community and involved with it, which can be a good thing.  In practice though, it often meant going easy on criminals in the name of community relations.  Dinkins and Brown sat by idly for 3 days while blacks rioted in Crown Heights in 1991 because they thought it was better to let them "vent their anger."

The result was spiraling crime, and Mayor Giuliani effectively abolished this brand of community policing when he took over in 1994.  Giuliani instituted tougher tactics and details that significantly reduced crime, but sometimes led to tense relationships between the police and certain communities in the city.

I guess it depends how it is implemented.  I am in favor of the goal of community policing, but the New York experience makes me somewhat suspicious of it.
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Post by: footoflead on September 04, 2005, 10:10:11 PM
QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
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Post by: mazda6er on September 05, 2005, 10:24:07 AM
That XitUp sounds like a grade-A jackass, add him to the list I guess.
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Post by: footoflead on September 05, 2005, 10:50:38 AM
QuoteThat XitUp sounds like a grade-A jackass, add him to the list I guess.
No
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Post by: ifcar on September 05, 2005, 11:01:07 AM
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QuoteThat XitUp sounds like a grade-A jackass, add him to the list I guess.
No
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Post by: BMWDave on September 05, 2005, 11:24:50 AM
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QuoteThat XitUp sounds like a grade-A jackass, add him to the list I guess.
No
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Maybe he meant " I no" :blink:  
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Post by: ifcar on September 05, 2005, 11:29:49 AM
:rolleyes:

I don't think so.  
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 12:30:01 PM
Now he's mad because I insulted him. :rolleyes:  :lol:  
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Post by: mazda6er on September 05, 2005, 12:56:04 PM
Better check the thread again Cat, now he's really mad.
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 01:16:35 PM
QuoteBetter check the thread again Cat, now he's really mad.
LOL, I did.  What an ignorant idiot. :rolleyes:  
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Post by: BMWDave on September 05, 2005, 01:34:53 PM
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QuoteBetter check the thread again Cat, now he's really mad.
LOL, I did.  What an ignorant idiot. :rolleyes:
You sure handed his ass to him :lol:  
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 01:37:16 PM
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QuoteBetter check the thread again Cat, now he's really mad.
LOL, I did.  What an ignorant idiot. :rolleyes:
You sure handed his ass to him :lol:
I hope so. ;)  
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Post by: footoflead on September 05, 2005, 01:41:47 PM
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LOL, I did.  What an ignorant idiot. :rolleyes:
You sure handed his ass to him :lol:
I hope so. ;)
Go get'em Catman B)  :lol:  
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Post by: Raghavan on September 05, 2005, 01:49:39 PM
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QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
If you say so...
If the same happened to me, i'd still expect the ticket.
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Post by: footoflead on September 05, 2005, 02:50:47 PM
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QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
If you say so...
If the same happened to me, i'd still expect the ticket.
You have alot to learn grasshopper ;)  
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Post by: Raghavan on September 05, 2005, 02:52:20 PM
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QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
If you say so...
If the same happened to me, i'd still expect the ticket.
You have alot to learn grasshopper ;)
that i do. :lol:  
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 03:23:23 PM
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QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
If you say so...
If the same happened to me, i'd still expect the ticket.
Nothing wrong with expecting it.  Makes it all the better when you don't get it. ;)  
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Post by: Raghavan on September 05, 2005, 03:27:01 PM
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QuoteSucks to be her, but she should still get the ticket anyway.
Why should she get a ticket, would you want a ticket after somebody slammed your car, I know i wouldnt, if anything i would want the officer to help me. You son are an @$$
If you say so...
If the same happened to me, i'd still expect the ticket.
Nothing wrong with expecting it.  Makes it all the better when you don't get it. ;)
Yup, never get your hopes up too high.
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Post by: 850CSi on September 05, 2005, 07:19:46 PM

What amazes me is how the officer saw it coming...

He was really close to being killed there.
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Post by: Raghavan on September 05, 2005, 07:22:54 PM
QuoteWhat amazes me is how the officer saw it coming...

He was really close to being killed there.
officers are always quick thinking.
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 07:35:49 PM
QuoteWhat amazes me is how the officer saw it coming...

He was really close to being killed there.
I never take my eyes off the traffic.  The other night I was working a highway detail in a cruiser when one of the construction guys advised me of a disabled vehicle in the other side of the highway.  I went over there to find a VW Jetta half in the breakdown lane and half in the travel lane, hazards on with a woman in the passenger seat and a three year old in thee back.  The husband ran out of gas and left them there so he could get some at a gas station.  On top of that he took the keys so I couldn't push them off the road.  Needless to say, I had them wait behind the guardrail until we got it going.  Some people are so dumb.  This was Friday night at 11:30pm on the three lane hwy. :rolleyes:  
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Post by: footoflead on September 05, 2005, 08:16:42 PM
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QuoteWhat amazes me is how the officer saw it coming...

He was really close to being killed there.
I never take my eyes off the traffic.  The other night I was working a highway detail in a cruiser when one of the construction guys advised me of a disabled vehicle in the other side of the highway.  I went over there to find a VW Jetta half in the breakdown lane and half in the travel lane, hazards on with a woman in the passenger seat and a three year old in thee back.  The husband ran out of gas and left them there so he could get some at a gas station.  On top of that he took the keys so I couldn't push them off the road.  Needless to say, I had them wait behind the guardrail until we got it going.  Some people are so dumb.  This was Friday night at 11:30pm on the three lane hwy. :rolleyes:
What an idiot, Did they at least get out of the car??
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Post by: Catman on September 05, 2005, 08:21:54 PM
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He was really close to being killed there.
I never take my eyes off the traffic.  The other night I was working a highway detail in a cruiser when one of the construction guys advised me of a disabled vehicle in the other side of the highway.  I went over there to find a VW Jetta half in the breakdown lane and half in the travel lane, hazards on with a woman in the passenger seat and a three year old in thee back.  The husband ran out of gas and left them there so he could get some at a gas station.  On top of that he took the keys so I couldn't push them off the road.  Needless to say, I had them wait behind the guardrail until we got it going.  Some people are so dumb.  This was Friday night at 11:30pm on the three lane hwy. :rolleyes:
What an idiot, Did they at least get out of the car??
Yeah, I had them stand behind the guardrail after I got over there.
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Post by: Catman on September 06, 2005, 02:47:38 PM
Check out his last response. :lol:  
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Post by: Run Away on September 06, 2005, 03:11:05 PM
He's not too bright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/idealbb/view.a...=67827&pageNo=1 (http://www.caranddriver.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=67827&pageNo=1)

He can't grasp the concept that belt tension does not change the ratio at which whatever the belt is attached to turns.
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Post by: Catman on September 06, 2005, 03:25:40 PM
QuoteHe's not too bright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/idealbb/view.a...=67827&pageNo=1 (http://www.caranddriver.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=67827&pageNo=1)

He can't grasp the concept that belt tension does not change the ratio at which whatever the belt is attached to turns.
That's pretty elementary, I guess you're right. ;)  
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Post by: Champ on September 06, 2005, 04:14:48 PM
although the big debate right now that just started in that thread about super chargers vs. turbo chargers is interesting.  I know how each work and the benefits and all, but still interesting to see people's views on them.
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Post by: Raza on September 06, 2005, 04:29:06 PM
Quotealthough the big debate right now that just started in that thread about super chargers vs. turbo chargers is interesting.  I know how each work and the benefits and all, but still interesting to see people's views on them.
Superchargers have one clear advantage, but several disadvantages.  I think I'm siding with turboes now.  I used to like superchargers, but I think turboes are the better way to go now.
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Post by: Champ on September 06, 2005, 04:40:51 PM
Nothing quite beats the feel of the turbo pulling and pushing you back in your seat.