Looks like they fixed that bubble bubble butt bonanza
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Old one for comparison
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Question now is what happens for rear seat occupants.... side view of the old one clearly demonstrates a headroom hump
Supposedly a new 4.0L V8TT as well.
From that picture it looks like they took the arc on the roofline higher rather than flattening the roof like on the current model. That may well have kept the passenger headroom while giving a more pleasing shape as the roof line carries down the back of the car. It makes it look more like a 911.
How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 23, 2016, 06:51:09 PM
How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?
Yeah, what he said.
Flattering angle.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 23, 2016, 06:51:09 PM
How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?
You haven't installed the x-ray vision Chrome extension?
Honda owners always half-assing everything
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Still hideously ugly.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
Still hideously ugly.
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Also I don't think the rear has been slimmed down so much as the entire roofline has been rounded to give the illusion that it has.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2016, 12:51:02 AM
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I never liked the Panamera. Still don't.
It's a hideous design, IMO. The Aston Martin Rapide, while no beauty, flows better from a design POV. The Rapide actually looks sleek and sporty. The Panamera looks like an overweight pig.
I liked the last one, but this looks awesome.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2016, 03:07:43 AM
I never liked the Panamera. Still don't.
It's a hideous design, IMO. The Aston Martin Rapide, while no beauty, flows better from a design POV. The Rapide actually looks sleek and sporty. The Panamera looks like an overweight pig.
The Rapide had no flow! It had such terrible proportions. It looked like someone bolted doors to a DB9.
:wub:!!!
I just can't see the appeal. If I'm buying a Porsche, I want a 911. And if I already have a 911, I don't want a sedan that looks exactly like my sports car just with more doors tacked on. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
I would rather a Macan than a Panamera... but if people are still buying AMG S-Classes then there is a place for them. 2+ ton "performance vehicles" don't make much sense to me, but I don't question the market.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 24, 2016, 07:16:15 AM
I would rather a Macan than a Panamera... but if people are still buying AMG S-Classes then there is a place for them. 2+ ton "performance vehicles" don't make much sense to me, but I don't question the market.
I like the Macan too, but why would you take one over a Panamera?
Panamera will destroy it in performance, much more room, and now it looks a lot better too.
Quote from: MrH on June 24, 2016, 07:24:53 AM
I like the Macan too, but why would you take one over a Panamera?
Panamera will destroy it in performance, much more room, and now it looks a lot better too.
I would buy a vehicle like this for luxury/status/looks, not performance. Seems a little pointless to be able to get from 0-60 in 3 seconds in a 2 ton plus car with an automatic transmission. Plus if the Macan's interior specs are close to the Q5 (wheelbase and exterior is almost identical) and this new Panamera stays about the same size as the old one the Macan is way roomier. I love the improvements to the design, and in its class the Panamera would be my pick even before the redesign, but the whole large luxury sedan class has zero appeal to me.
...What? :confused:
http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/macan/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-porsche-macan-back-seats-are-tight.html (http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/macan/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-porsche-macan-back-seats-are-tight.html)
I mean we can play copypasta all day one way or another:
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Porsche_Macan/Interior/ (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Porsche_Macan/Interior/)
Quote"There's enough space in the back seat for two medium-sized adults or three kids. Headroom is impressive, given the coupe-like flow of the Macan's roof"
Macan interior might be a lot different from the Q5, because the Q5's back seat and total leg room is bigger than the Panamera's :huh: Q5 does have sliding rear seats though.
In any case I prefer small CUVs to big sedans, so even if the Panamera is roomier it doesn't matter to me.
I've sat in both and would really prefer to ride in a Panamera over a Macan :huh:
OK, I am happy that you have arrived at that conclusion. Being that I would buy a car like this to drive, rather than be driven in, and I don't like large sedans, I would still get the Macan over the Panamera. But they have definitely cleaned up the Panamera's looks big time.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
Still hideously ugly.
Stop taking drugs Raz..err, 206 Jr.
I think it looks a hell of a lot better, but I reserve judgement until I see real studio shots and not leaked photos.
It doesn't appear they've changed the overall shape that much. They did alter the shape of the side glass, which now flows with the shape of the car more and makes it appear less hunch-backed. Amazing what small details can do.
If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers? There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back. That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market. It's a very limiting feature for a sedan. Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing.
Quote from: veeman on June 26, 2016, 10:05:09 AM
If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers? There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back. That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market. It's a very limiting feature for a sedan. Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing.
No one in this market cares, and two buckets feels luxurious.
Quote from: veeman on June 26, 2016, 10:05:09 AM
If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers? There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back. That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market. It's a very limiting feature for a sedan. Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing.
This isn't really marketed towards people who have to haul the kids and their friends to soccer practice. That's what Escalades and similar luxury buses are for. This is an executive's car. It's meant to occasionally take clients and colleagues out to dinner meetings and golf outings. Maybe transport another couple out on a double-date.
Quote from: MX793 on June 26, 2016, 10:19:27 AM
This isn't really marketed towards people who have to haul the kids and their friends to soccer practice. That's what Escalades and similar luxury buses are for. This is an executive's car. It's meant to occasionally take clients and colleagues out to dinner meetings and golf outings. Maybe transport another couple out on a double-date.
:hesaid:
Quote from: MX793 on June 26, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
It doesn't appear they've changed the overall shape that much. They did alter the shape of the side glass, which now flows with the shape of the car more and makes it appear less hunch-backed. Amazing what small details can do.
I think they made a big alteration to the rear hatch. The original was bulbous like a CR-V. The new one looks a lot sleeker and faster, at the expense of headroom and cargo space. 2o6 is right though, better to see some real world non-camo shots.
Fuuuccckkk Porsche is not playing at ALL brehs
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-porsche-panamera-will-blow-the-doors-off-your-1782743986 (http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-porsche-panamera-will-blow-the-doors-off-your-1782743986)
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^^^Shape completely fixed
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^^^911 shape fully realized
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^^^Fucking Minority Report infotainment system.... driver can't even reach the far end of the screen lmao!!!!
Base engine is a 440HP 2.9L V6TT and engine range goes up to the 550HP 4.0L V8TT in the Turbo S. Again for this kind of car though who gives a shit about more HP.... that V6 will prob be enough and sound better IMO. JFC man.
I take it back, I would get this over the Macan.
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:wub:
This is gorgeous.
Yeah. I have zero desire to own a Model S after seeing this thing. It's soooo much better.
Yeah, I'm down with that.
Between this, the Macan and the Cayman I feel like the 911 is the ugly one in the lineup. :lol:
Quote from: MrH on June 28, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
Yeah. I have zero desire to own a Model S after seeing this thing. It's soooo much better.
And just wait till Porsche comes out with the plug in version :popcorn:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 28, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
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hubba hubba
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 28, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
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How long before we have this:
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I thought of the eponymous car from the TV show Viper, actually.
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:lol:
The old Panamera (current one?) does that too...
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dem rear buckets
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 28, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
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What? Is that real? That's so cool.
My boy just bought a 7 series yesterday. He should have waited.
Quote from: 93JC on June 28, 2016, 05:10:53 PM
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I've always liked these anyways. Who doesn't like an SUV with a much much lower center of gravity????????? It's not like you're off-roading a Porsche anyway. :huh:
That is literally a GT3RS sized wing that folds out the back. :lol:
This thing is great in every way. Shocked it could go from most hated car to most loved so fast :lol:
So little has changed about it too. Shows the impact of good design
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 29, 2016, 09:40:15 AM
I've always liked these anyways. Who doesn't like an SUV with a much much lower center of gravity????????? It's not like you're off-roading a Porsche anyway. :huh:
The Panamera is not an SUV. Nor is it an SUV with a lower center of gravity. It's a sedan. :confused:
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/usa.aspx#issue/1/highlights (http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/usa.aspx#issue/1/highlights)
Scroll down a bit and you can get a photo with a slider with the new and old Panameras. Looks like the C pillar treatment helped, and so did extending the trunk lid.
I think they increased the tumblehome, but they could go further and make it look better. Also, the side vents are too vertical. If they leaned them forward or back, they could have added even more emotion in the design. Or added a detail that carries from the front around to the sides to tie everything in front of the A pillars together. Right now I don't feel the front fascia, hood, and fenders meshes well with the rest of the design.
Quote from: giant_mtb on June 29, 2016, 10:52:12 AM
The Panamera is not an SUV. Nor is it an SUV with a lower center of gravity. It's a sedan. :confused:
I'm too lazy to look up interior space but I'm guessing it's not a ton different between the Cayenne and Panamera. :huh:
(well, maybe more trunk space in the Cayenne)
Quote from: Rich on June 29, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/usa.aspx#issue/1/highlights (http://www.porsche.com/microsite/panamera/usa.aspx#issue/1/highlights)
Scroll down a bit and you can get a photo with a slider with the new and old Panameras. Looks like the C pillar treatment helped, and so did extending the trunk lid.
I think they increased the tumblehome, but they could go further and make it look better. Also, the side vents are too vertical. If they leaned them forward or back, they could have added even more emotion in the design. Or added a detail that carries from the front around to the sides to tie everything in front of the A pillars together. Right now I don't feel the front fascia, hood, and fenders meshes well with the rest of the design.
That tool is pretty damn cool. Again amazing to see how some tiny tweaks here and there can make such a huge difference. The big issue they resolved was eliminating that sea of metal around the C-pillar. Bigger wheels, more glass, and the illusion of a slimmer tail by lengthening it. Pretty brilliant. It's basically the same exact car.
I agree that the side vents are not "dynamic" enough. Front could probably be a bit more exciting but I think the more important thing is that it looks like a modern Porsche. Plus with those top mount turbo engines and pedestrian regs it's actually pretty good. I hope R&T does one of their design analyses on this.
Quote from: MrH on June 29, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
This thing is great in every way. Shocked it could go from most hated car to most loved so fast :lol:
Fuck yo couch, I've always liked the Panamera. Read the date: January 15, 2011.
Quote from: 93JC on January 15, 2011, 11:14:43 PM
When I saw the pictures when it debuted on the auto show circuit I thought it was horrendous, just awful, but after I'd seen one in the 'flesh' my feelings about it took a complete 180°.
I think it is a sexy, sexy car. Absolutely none of its competitors are anything like it, save perhaps the Maserati Quattroporte. Why settle for some boring Audi, BMW, Lexus or Mercedes-Benz? The controversial part of the styling is obviously the hind end which on first glance is too fat and stubby but from afar it looks remarkably similar to a 911 (in principle).
I thought a four-door Porsche was heresy but now I applaud them for the effort. If I was the kind of person who wanted a car in that class the first one I'd test drive would be the Panamera.
Don't forget this version is coming still.
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Buying one for the wife and kids. So sexy.
^^ You're buying them a Golf?????
Honestly 12000 RPM, you could get yourself a Macan AND another Macan for your wife for the price of one of these.
It's cool and all but I think people are ooohing and ahhhing a bit because the model it's replacing was not very attractive. Taken by itself, it doesn't scream gorgeous. Exterior wise it's probably stylistically on par with a model S for me.
The transformer wing is very very cool however.
I really liked the last Panamera. :huh:
Quote from: veeman on July 01, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
It's cool and all but I think people are ooohing and ahhhing a bit because the model it's replacing was not very attractive. Taken by itself, it doesn't scream gorgeous. Exterior wise it's probably stylistically on par with a model S for me.
The transformer wing is very very cool however.
:hesaid:
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2016, 12:15:59 AM
Don't forget this version is coming still.
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Will that also come with the unfolding wing?
Dad, the ice cream is melting!
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Quote from: veeman on July 01, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Honestly 12000 RPM, you could get yourself a Macan AND another Macan for your wife for the price of one of these.
But the Macan is a ~80% an Audi Q5. The Panamera is in an entirely different league.
Quote from: veeman on July 01, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Honestly 12000 RPM, you could get yourself a Macan AND another Macan for your wife for the price of one of these.
It's cool and all but I think people are ooohing and ahhhing a bit because the model it's replacing was not very attractive. Taken by itself, it doesn't scream gorgeous. Exterior wise it's probably stylistically on par with a model S for me.
The transformer wing is very very cool however.
This is probably not an unfair assessment, but even still, it's much better looking than all its competitors besides the Model S, and IMO went from one of the worst looking sedans out to one of the best with what looks like a new rear door and bigger wheel wells. Worthy of praise IMO.
And if we did the 2 Porsche household thing mine would have to be a sports car. I could probably manage with a base 991 C2. As much as I like this design, I don't see the point of large sedans. This thing's probably no more fun to drive than a Macan Turbo, but way less practical. And a 911 is way more fun to drive, only giving up the back seats. It's kind of the worst of both worlds. Looks good though :wub:
I'm kind of mad that it hasn't looked this good from the get-go. But hey, I suppose the bad makes us appreciate the good :praise:
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 10, 2016, 10:54:39 AM
I'm kind of mad that it hasn't looked this good from the get-go. But hey, I suppose the bad makes us appreciate the good :praise:
what a blast from the past
Quote from: 2o6 on July 10, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
what a blast from the past
well hello to you as well :tounge:
I saw you were a fellow late-model CTS owner for a brief period. Was Cadillac ownership everything you hoped it would be?
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 10, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
well hello to you as well :tounge:
I saw you were a fellow late-model CTS owner for a brief period. Was Cadillac ownership everything you hoped it would be?
It was garbage and I hated it, and I was terrified that the car was going to blow up catastrophically before I could sell it to the new owner
Thankfully, it went OK.
It was fast, tho.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 10, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
It was garbage and I hated it, and I was terrified that the car was going to blow up catastrophically before I could sell it to the new owner
Thankfully, it went OK.
It was fast, tho.
You know what they say, life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all :praise:
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 10, 2016, 10:54:39 AM
I'm kind of mad that it hasn't looked this good from the get-go. But hey, I suppose the bad makes us appreciate the good :praise:
Vin, man, we haven't seen you in a long time. What's up?
Quote from: Raza on July 11, 2016, 08:58:57 AM
Vin, man, we haven't seen you in a long time. What's up?
Not much, just decided to see what the old gang is up to
I do admit I came back mostly to brag about this on BikeSpin:
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I actually picked it up last year, but it's my first bike, so I'm still pretty stoked. I still have the Caddy, but I think I might actually be putting more miles on the bike.