I feel like we don't talk about purchases enough here. Most of us are reaching a boring stage of life where we all drive boring mobiles and anticipate the grave.
I make decent money now. What if I replaced the Sonic next year with a new car?
Criteria:
Four doors.
Manual transmission preferred, but not necessary
OK so I'm all over the map:
My picks so far:
Volvo XC40
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/volvo-xc40-cornering.jpg?itok=swMDeAuD)
Honda Civic Si (Sedan)
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2017/05/2017-Honda-Civic-SI-front-three-quarter-03-1.jpg)
(Used) Lexus NXh
(http://www.lexus.com/cm-img/gallery/2018/NX/Lexus-NX-fsport-shown-in-ultra-white-gallery-thumbnail-476x357-LEX-NXG-MY18-0001-D.jpg)
(Used) Cadillac ATS 2.0T 6MT
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Cadillac_ATS.jpg/1200px-Cadillac_ATS.jpg)
(https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/cars/fiesta/2018/models/fiesta-st/billboard/3-2/18FIE_ST_Billboard_2160.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1280.1280.jpeg)
Of those, oddly, I would say ATS, followed by the CSi.
I'm assuming your budget is at or about 25K so I'm going to throw in a dark horse candidate. V8 M3.
Around me you can find examples for about 30K, so a bit more expensive but still a lot of car.
Of the choices listen, Civic Si cause I'm a fanboy, obviously.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 22, 2018, 01:15:21 PM
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Too uncomfortable and small
But I'd still consider it
Civic Si. Low running costs and good residuals. Passes the Excel spreadsheet smell test.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 22, 2018, 01:26:00 PM
Of those, oddly, I would say ATS, followed by the CSi.
Pretty much same for me. My order of preference:
1. ATS (used)
2. Civic Si
3. Volvo CX40
4. Lexus Nxh
Quote from: Xer0 on February 22, 2018, 01:30:37 PM
I'm assuming your budget is at or about 25K so I'm going to throw in a dark horse candidate. V8 M3.
Around me you can find examples for about 30K, so a bit more expensive but still a lot of car.
Dude just got his first job and you are trying to bankrupt him :wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHRK0HQbexw
Probably one of the worst ways for him to spend $25K
Quote from: Laconian on February 22, 2018, 01:34:08 PM
Civic Si. Low running costs and good residuals. Passes the Excel spreadsheet smell test.
The CR-V of sport compacts.™
Civic Si or GTI
Dark horse
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/12/2015-Mercedes-Benz-CLA250-4Matic-front-three-quarter-in-motion-09-e1476805150675.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660:440)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 22, 2018, 01:35:46 PM
The CR-V of sport compacts.™
TRUE. IT IS ONLY LOGICAL
##WAYMO ROBO DRIVER SEAL OF APPROVAL
Quote from: 2o6 on February 22, 2018, 01:41:06 PM
Dark horse
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/02/barks-bites-mercedes-benz-cla-250-shining-beacon-inauthenticity/
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/04/rental-review-mercedes-benz-cla250/
https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/cla-class
QuoteWhat We Don't Like: With its rakish low roofline, this car might as well have only two doors; dogs and children are the only ones comfortable in back. But space is the least of the CLA's shortcomings. Almost everything beneath the handsome exterior—from the groaning engine to the flimsy prop bar under the hood—betrays the CLA's low budget. The sport suspension and Pirelli all-season run-flat tires do the CLA no favors on pockmarked roads, where it crashes over bumps while vibrations fill the cabin. On smooth pavement, our thoughts turn to the pervasive road and wind noise. The transmission's rougher shifts—in particular an audible clunk going into first gear at every stop—had us pining for Mercedes-Benz's conventional automatics, whose gearchanges seem greased with butter. We squirmed in those high-back seats trying to find a relaxing neck position, only to be prodded by the top portion's aggressive forward tilt. While the controls retain the usual Mercedes tactile quality, they're set within thinly padded armrests and surrounded by hard plastics. Even with a lighter option load than was on our example, the CLA still plays too close to newer, more luxurious, and better-built Benzes.
It's bad man. If you want an ugly compact just get a Civic EX 1.5T.
I've driven three.
The internet likes to exaggerate.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 22, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Dude just got his first job and you are trying to bankrupt him :wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHRK0HQbexw
Probably one of the worst ways for him to spend $25K
If anyone can handle it, I'm pretty sure its the poster that picks up questionable used cars and fixes them for resale.
ATS or the Volvo of those. How about the Buick Regal?
Quote from: Xer0 on February 22, 2018, 02:33:45 PM
If anyone can handle it, I'm pretty sure its the poster that picks up questionable used cars and fixes them for resale.
I don't have any BMW friends.
Quote from: mzziaz on February 22, 2018, 02:53:20 PM
ATS or the Volvo of those. How about the Buick Regal?
meh
Golf GTI?
Also, both the Accord and the Mazda 3 and 6 comes with manuals, no?
In b4 financial "advice" ruins this thread.
I like the Volvo best of your options. I'd throw in a 228i manual coupe in Jalopnik space.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 22, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Dude just got his first job and you are trying to bankrupt him :wtf:
Man you are obsessed with the rod bearing thing. NONE of the cars of ANY of our club members have had this issue. Any car before 80K miles will be fine, and many are known to have gone up to 150K miles.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 22, 2018, 03:58:13 PM
Man you are obsessed with the rod bearing thing. NONE of the cars of ANY of our club members have had this issue. Any car before 80K miles will be fine, and many are known to have gone up to 150K miles.
I would assume an M3 in 2o6's price range would have fairly high mileage.
I'm still a fan of that option. LS swap it if it blows up.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 22, 2018, 03:58:13 PM
In b4 financial "advice" ruins this thread.
LOL, I'm holding back on that ;)
When I got a real job I coveted the new Mazda3 hatches for a few months. I picked out my favorite configuration and had a nice X-plan price handy.
Then I got the Miata and $aved myself $17,000.
Then this happened
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Quote from: Laconian on February 22, 2018, 04:21:48 PM
When I got a real job I coveted the new Mazda3 hatches for a few months. I picked out my favorite configuration and had a nice X-plan price handy.
Then I got the Miata and $aved myself $17,000.
Then this happened
(https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-gay.gif)
Uh oh. A Miata is on my short-list of new job cars.
(full list: Miata, 5/6th gen Camaro, Fox body, or an old Cherokee/Wrangler)
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 22, 2018, 03:58:13 PM
In b4 financial "advice" ruins this thread.
I like the Volvo best of your options. I'd throw in a 228i manual coupe in Jalopnik space.
Man you are obsessed with the rod bearing thing. NONE of the cars of ANY of our club members have had this issue. Any car before 80K miles will be fine, and many are known to have gone up to 150K miles.
Well that settles it then, like 50 out of thousands of cars haven't had problems so nothing to worry about.
No, E9x M3 and E60 M5 are no good for someone on a first job salary. Even without the rod bearing thing but especially with it.
ATS easily!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 22, 2018, 04:09:29 PM
I would assume an M3 in 2o6's price range would have fairly high mileage.
I'm still a fan of that option. LS swap it if it blows up.
He should skip all those steps and get a last gen Camaro SS then
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 22, 2018, 05:27:50 PM
Well that settles it then, like 50 out of thousands of cars haven't had problems so nothing to worry about.
No, E9x M3 and E60 M5 are no good for someone on a first job salary. Even without the rod bearing thing but especially with it.
Sorry. Your internet browsing of forums with zero real world experience (as usual) is more statistically significant. My bad.
lol you guys
It's a moot point, I don't really want a BMW
I can't see Kev in an M3. Not his style.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2018, 08:07:28 AM
I can't see Kev in an M3. Not his style.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 08:00:04 AM
lol you guys
It's a moot point, I don't really want a BMW
I agree. Just sick of the constant baseless "it's gonna blow" sporty fearmongering. Like I said above, I think the Volvo rocks for Kevin.
Volvo with a roof box
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
I agree. Just sick of the constant baseless "it's gonna blow" sporty fearmongering. Like I said above, I think the Volvo rocks for Kevin.
Hardly constant. My next car is probably going to be a BMW. Just not one with an S65/S85/N63/S63. Some girls are bigger than others. Some cars engines are more reliable than other cars engines. :huh:
Oh come on. Give me some suggestions!
Are you ready for a real suggestion?
I still think M3 is the best choice.
Anyway, left over Chevy SS.
I'm thinkin' totally blinged out, 22 in wheel sportin', turbocharged, rockin' sound system CR-V! Ya? :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 09:08:58 AM
Sure why not.
Save your money and keep the Sonic. I'd revisit this idea after you saved up a year or so worth of living expenses at the earliest, and once the Sonic is actually worth replacing ideally. You will have plenty of time to own any/all of these cars.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 09:33:00 AM
Save your money and keep the Sonic. I'd revisit this idea after you saved up a year or so worth of living expenses at the earliest, and once the Sonic is actually worth replacing ideally. You will have plenty of time to own any/all of these cars.
Ya ruined it.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 08:53:54 AM
Oh come on. Give me some suggestions!
MINI Cabrio
Kia Soul
2 Series Cabrio
A3 Cabrio
If I listened to this forum, I'd still be limping along my 1996 Neon.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 09:38:19 AM
MINI Cabrio
I like the four door Mini. Not keen on a 2-door or a cabrio
Kia Soul
Hell naw.
2 Series Cabrio
Cars are emotional purchases, and the 2 series has never ignited any sort of emotions in me.
A3 Cabrio
Eh.
MINI Clubman? That's pretty cool IMO.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 09:35:56 AM
Ya ruined it.
It had to be said. You know I'm right.
That said, your budget sounds relatively reasonable. I still think the ATS & CSi are good choices. I also still really like the new Maxima. Probably too big for your tastes but a damn good car, CVT included.
MCM won't like this but MINIs are super unreliable. You don't want a repeat of your Focus, I wouldn't do it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
It had to be said. You know I'm right.
That said, your budget sounds relatively reasonable. I still think the ATS & CSi are good choices. I also still really like the new Maxima. Probably too big for your tastes but a damn good car, CVT included.
MCM won't like this but MINIs are super unreliable. You don't want a repeat of your Focus, I wouldn't do it.
Thread title says "I've made it". MINI would be new, with a multiyear warranty.
Civic Si.
I'm thinking you want something a bit larger (but not a big car - you returned a rental Lacrosse because it was too big if I remember right). Also a quieter, more comfortable, more refined ride. And the interior is real important to you. The new Volvos doesn't offer a manual transmission in the U.S. as far as I know. Speed/acceleration aren't super important to you as you've never complained about the Sonic being slow and you've said in the past that a manual transmission can make lower powered cars seem a lot faster.
You still want good gas mileage. Anyways these are my assumptions.
I'd consider a Mazda 6 or Honda Accord. Cheap to maintain, look good, significantly better ride and quieter than the Sonic without being boats, and come with a manual.
Or screw the manual and get a Volvo XC40 which is what you really want.
Jetta GLi or Golf GTi?
These are in Columbus...
Brand new, manual, 2017, $22,251
(https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/653/490/hn/c/cdae9454a5564759820fc0d1e5c0e06e.jpg)
2017, 15,635 miles, manual, $19,023
(https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/653/490/hn/c/aa66be1b773f424baf67c2b7c6821da7.jpg)
The Subaru is at Sonic Automotive. It's a sign.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
Thread title says "I've made it". MINI would be new, with a multiyear warranty.
There is still the issue of time and hassle. Pretty much any quasi-premium hatch (Golf SEL, Forte SX, Elantra GT 1.6T, Civic Touring) is going to deliver a better ownership experience with little to no sacrifice in anything else.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
There is still the issue of time and hassle. Pretty much any quasi-premium hatch (Golf SEL, Forte SX, Elantra GT 1.6T, Civic Touring) is going to deliver a better ownership experience with little to no sacrifice in anything else.
Absolutely ridiculous. A new MINI will not fail in 3 years FFS. If what you say was anywhere near reality, BMW would be failing as a business.
Nobody said anything about it failing (whatever that means). It's just going to have a lot more problems over those 3 years than anything else in its class. But you don't get anything extra for that trouble.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
Nobody said anything about it failing (whatever that means). It's just going to have a lot more problems over those 3 years than anything else in its class. But you don't get anything extra for that trouble.
OMFG. The ignorance!
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study
Actual goddam three year study. Less problems than an Acura and a non factor. 1.4 problems per car vs 1 per car for the best in the industry.
You spew brand prejudice based on literally nothing all the time!
I mean, it probably would have more issues but it wouldn't stop me.
Cars are emotional, and I think sometimes y'all forget that. Spec sheets rarely impress real people in person. How does this thing make you feel?
I bought the Sonic because I liked it. I bought the Yaris because I thought it would be reliable and easy to own. I don't miss the Yaris at all.
Regarding the thread's original premise, I think there's a major difference in priorities between "I just made it" and "I'm there and have been so for a couple years".
"I just made it" means I might be more risk averse, because my financial security is still hazy - don't know if I like the job, don't have a big slush fund in my savings, etc. I would buy a car that's less expensive, and one that's less likely to require unscheduled maintenance (however well founded that fear is).
"I'm there" gives me a clearer picture about risk tolerance and clears the way for spending more on the car, or taking a risk on a car that might be a bit more finicky, or worse residuals, etc.
I hope I didn't ruin the thread. ;)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
Nobody said anything about it failing (whatever that means). It's just going to have a lot more problems over those 3 years than anything else in its class. But you don't get anything extra for that trouble.
WTF, no. You sound like Char.
And you drive a motorcycle, so your holistic perception of risk is really fucked up. ;)
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 11:08:41 AM
And you drive a motorcycle, so your holistic perception of risk is really fucked up. ;)
Y'all live on a lake and go overseas all the time. :devil:
Spending a few $$$ on transportation isn't that big of a deal.
Back on topic:
Beetle 2.0T
Abarth
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Y'all live on a lake and go overseas all the time. :devil:
Spending a few $$$ on transportation isn't that big of a deal.
I think he meant sporty.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 23, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Y'all live on a lake and go overseas all the time. :devil:
Spending a few $$$ on transportation isn't that big of a deal.
I was referring to Sporty being morbidly afraid of little things going wrong with cars but then taking huge risks with his own body.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
OMFG. The ignorance!
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study
Actual goddam three year study. Less problems than an Acura and a non factor. 1.4 problems per car vs 1 per car for the best in the industry.
You spew brand prejudice based on literally nothing all the time!
Stop being so emotional. It's just a car brand.
2nd gen Cooper has a 1 out of 5 for reliability from Consumer Reports. 3rd gen is about a 2 out of 5. Owner satisfaction ranges from a 1 to 3 out of 5. True Delta data is a bit better but some years are randomly awful and no year is good. The cars are not reliable. You may have just got lucky or not put a ton of miles on yours. You have like 8 cars so any issues you'd face get spread out over an 8x longer time period. In that context everything is reliable.
Yes cars are emotional purchases. Nothing will piss you off faster than a car that's constantly in the shop, even if you don't have to pay for it.
Chrysler 200 Hellcat swap
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 11:08:41 AM
And you drive a motorcycle, so your holistic perception of risk is really fucked up. ;)
The risk of motorcycles is skewed by squids and drunk helmet free cruiser douchebags. It's overblown. I'd rather ride a reliable motorcycle than depend on a MINI
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 11:47:20 AM
The risk of motorcycles is skewed by squids and drunk helmet free cruiser douchebags. It's overblown. I'd rather ride a reliable motorcycle than depend on a MINI
Sporty risk evaluations (TM) - "It's all about how you feel. Ignore all the fake data!"
I wouldn't buy a mini, that's for sure.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Sporty risk evaluations (TM) - "It's all about how you feel. Ignore all the fake data!"
Oh please. Motorcycles are 7x more fatal than cars overall. Half of those crashes are due to alcohol... I never drink and ride... down to 3.5x. Shitty/no helmets increase fatality risk by 37%... my helmet is good... down to 2.5x. Night time riding is also obviously more dangerous... I never do that either. There are cars where the fatality rates are 3-4x the average... the Z was one of them. I'm sure Miatas are well above the average rate as well. And I have ridden... and crashed... and am still here and OK. So yea, when you actually parse the data (rather than go off emotion as you have been MCM) motorcycle riding is not that dangerous unless you're an idiot. Obviously it's more dangerous than a car but that 7x shit requires context
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Oh please. Motorcycles are 7x more fatal than cars overall. Half of those crashes are due to alcohol... I never drink and ride... down to 3.5x. Shitty/no helmets increase fatality risk by 37%... my helmet is good... down to 2.5x. Night time riding is also obviously more dangerous... I never do that either. There are cars where the fatality rates are 3-4x the average... the Z was one of them. I'm sure Miatas are well above the average rate as well. And I have ridden... and crashed... and am still here and OK. So yea, when you actually parse the data (rather than go off emotion as you have been MCM) motorcycle riding is not that dangerous unless you're an idiot. Obviously it's more dangerous than a car but that 7x shit requires context
(https://sayingimages.com/wp-content/uploads/niggas-happy-face-said-yeah-right-meme.jpg)
MCM must have just graduated from the Klacky school of defeat.
Quote from: Lebowski on February 23, 2018, 12:07:56 PM
I wouldn't buy a mini, that's for sure.
I dunno. They might not be as reliable as other FWD economy cars but there's nothing else that drives like them.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 12:22:47 PM
MCM must have just graduated from the Klacky school of defeat.
Keep telling yourself that. Keep all your multiple delusions going nicely. I'm done.
Let's sum up so far:
"Don't buy a new MINI because it will have tons of problems and unreliability."
"My driving of a motorcycle is only slightly more dangerous than driving a car."
"I won this argument."
Carry on.
Back on topic:
- Beetle Turbo
I've driven a Beetle Turbo.
It's boring and I don't really like VW products.
Sporty, stop ruining this thread with your shitty math. :lol:
I vote don't buy anything. Pay off student loans instead. But if you're going to buy, it's a no brainer. Civic Si for sure.
Turbo mod for the Sonic
I've become so bored of modern cars I mainly care about practicality nowadays. I want a car that looks good and is spacious enough to haul all my gear around and which I can sleep in on longer trips, so my three choices are these. I've made it = an all-around useful car to me.
Mercedes-Benz V250d
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/a/amg/mercedes-benz/v_250_d_lang_line/mercedes-benz_v_250_d_lang_amg_line_4.jpeg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/m/mercedes-benz/v-klasse/mercedes-benz_v_250_bluetec_4.jpg)
Peugeot Rifter
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/p/peugeot/rifter_gt_line/peugeot_rifter_gt_line_1.jpeg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/p/peugeot/rifter_gt_line/peugeot_rifter_gt_line_9.jpeg)
Citroen Space Tourer
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/c/citroen/spacetourer/citroen_spacetourer_6.jpeg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/c/citroen/spacetourer/citroen_spacetourer_8.jpeg)
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 03:04:30 PM
Turbo mod for the Sonic
The 1.4T doesn't really do all that well with more boost. Replacing the turbo is a tight fit.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
motorcycle riding is not that dangerous unless you're an idiot.
nooooooo
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 23, 2018, 03:57:11 PM
nooooooo
You've done some ER residencies, haven't you? I bet you've seen some shit.
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
You've done some ER residencies, haven't you? I bet you've seen some shit.
Lol ask any surgical resident why they dread being put on trauma in the summer. Motorcycles are a massive part of that (and also warm weather is great for shooting people). TBH before I came here I was hell bent on getting a bike- no longer.
Import a BMW 1 series hatch from Mexico
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 23, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
and also warm weather is great for shooting people
Warm weather is great for a lot of things... frisbee, swimming at the lake.. but I've never felt the urge to kill.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 23, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Lol ask any surgical resident why they dread being put on trauma in the summer. Motorcycles are a massive part of that (and also warm weather is great for shooting people). TBH before I came here I was hell bent on getting a bike- no longer.
Yeah, but how many involved drinking or being a squid? Sporty was correct about the statistics improving dramatically when you take those factors out.
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
Warm weather is great for a lot of things... frisbee, swimming at the lake.. but I've never felt the urge to kill.
Winter is more likely to make me wanna kill people. Especially trying to commute while it's snowing. My 50 minute commute stretches to almost 2 hours when that's the case (like this morning)
I think this matches all of your criteria, 2o6
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/morgan-3-wheeler-ltweb-136.jpg?itok=GcmF4Tfi)
Relevant actual data.....
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-driving/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles-2018/
Abarth cabrio.
I want a motorcycle badly but my girl will stab me in the face if I get one. She reads tons of accident scans. I think she's already convinced on a 4-wheeler "to get around the island," and I'm trying to decide whether I can parlay the dangers of 4-wheelers into me getting a bike or if it'll scare her away from everything.
How's your current ride? Any chance of relocation or a new living situation w the new gig?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 23, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
Yeah, but how many involved drinking or being a squid? Sporty was correct about the statistics improving dramatically when you take those factors out.
No my math was shitty apparently. Actually when you take those factors out motorcycling is even more dangerous.
Are you secretly a squid? I bet the Dunning-Kruger effect applies here.
No, I always wear my gear. And yea it definitely applies. Track day was eye opening WRT how far I have to go skillwise.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 06:31:01 PM
No my math was shitty apparently. Actually when you take those factors out motorcycling is even more dangerous.
Apparently indeed.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Oh please. Motorcycles are 7x more fatal than cars overall. Half of those crashes are due to alcohol... I never drink and ride... down to 3.5x. Shitty/no helmets increase fatality risk by 37%... my helmet is good... down to 2.5x. Night time riding is also obviously more dangerous... I never do that either. There are cars where the fatality rates are 3-4x the average... the Z was one of them. I'm sure Miatas are well above the average rate as well. And I have ridden... and crashed... and am still here and OK. So yea, when you actually parse the data (rather than go off emotion as you have been MCM) motorcycle riding is not that dangerous unless you're an idiot. Obviously it's more dangerous than a car but that 7x shit requires context
Oops. Reality is that the initial factor is actually 27x. Little miss there. You also assume zero correlation between non-helmeted and DUI drivers. Good one too.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/motorcycle-safety
But I apologize because in your specific case, giving some thought to it, it may be true. What with getting power off oversteer in everyday situations yeah, you may be safer on the bike! Who knows?
Sporty you don't really think that's how the math works do you?
I originally read that post as not really serious.
Quote from: Lebowski on February 23, 2018, 06:58:22 PM
Sporty you don't really think that's how the math works do you?
I originally read that post as not really serious.
Serious about a new MINI spending a "lot of time in the shop". Serious about motorcycle riding being only slightly more dangerous than driving. Serious about M3/5 engines blowing up for everybody. Serious about me "being emotional".
On that last one, yeah I am pissed that at absolutely every mention of BMW/MINI on any thread for any reason the same inane non-factual BS returns every goddam time.
Very serious.
You are emotional- you're pissed off about someone talking about a brand on a message board.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 23, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
You are emotional- you're pissed off about someone talking about a brand on a message board.
Meanwhile, you are a calculating (sorta) completely rational person engaged in a pages long discussion on the same board for reasons other than emotions. Sporty, I know few people with the self-delusion capability that you show.
lol :lol:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 07:19:08 PM
Meanwhile, you are a calculating (sorta) completely rational person engaged in a pages long discussion on the same board for reasons other than emotions. Sporty, I know few people with the self-delusion capability that you show.
"I know you are but what am I???" LOL. Yes, there are plenty of reasons besides emotions that people go on message boards.
Yes, back to the thread.
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Quote from: Laconian on February 22, 2018, 01:34:08 PM
Civic Si. Low running costs and good residuals. Passes the Excel spreadsheet smell test.
A friend of mine has a Civic and I rode in it this past weekend. It's pretty sporty and seems to drive well. I would seriously consider it.
I've always been partial toward Volvo but I'm not sure it's the best car for you at this time.
Whatever you pick, you will have a great time doing it. Being able to pick out the car you want is really fun, especially when you're used to buying cars you don't really want by necessity.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 23, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
I agree. Just sick of the constant baseless "it's gonna blow" sporty fearmongering. Like I said above, I think the Volvo rocks for Kevin.
A buddy of mine got a 2005 3-series with a stick shift as an extra fun car. He let me drive it. Fucking car is so much fun to drive. I had forgotten how much fun a stick shift can be. Maybe something like that could work for Kevin.
4Runner and a Miata
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 23, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
Winter is more likely to make me wanna kill people. Especially trying to commute while it's snowing. My 50 minute commute stretches to almost 2 hours when that's the case (like this morning)
Hah.
X2? A-Class, CLA? GLA?
For real though I vote keep the Sonic and beef up savings. It's a good car and not even close to old.
New wheels for the sonic.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 24, 2018, 11:10:12 AM
For real though I vote keep the Sonic and beef up savings. It's a good car and not even close to old.
+1
Take some money and take a trip to Europe. Stuff gets old, experiences don't
okay
Quote from: Rich on February 23, 2018, 08:46:02 PM
4Runner and a Miata
I don't know if yall have noticed, I don't really like BOF SUV's or convertibles.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 24, 2018, 10:52:06 AM
X2? A-Class, CLA? GLA?
I'm more of a Mini and MB type of person. I don't like the GLA.
Upcoming A Class
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2018, 05:04:31 PM
Gucci Fiat 500
My ex had one. It is the gayest car I have ever driven.
Quote from: dazzleman on February 23, 2018, 08:24:58 PM
A buddy of mine got a 2005 3-series with a stick shift as an extra fun car. He let me drive it. Fucking car is so much fun to drive. I had forgotten how much fun a stick shift can be. Maybe something like that could work for Kevin.
E90's are so taxing to drive to me. The car feels heavy and slow to use.
If I could go back in time when I got the GTI I think I would've gone for an older E90. Like an 07-08 328i 6MT.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 24, 2018, 12:40:53 PM
Take some money and take a trip to Europe. Stuff gets old, experiences don't
That's a good thought.
Hmm... I was expecting to see way more hatchbacks on the list. Really was expecting to see a Fiat abarth to select.
On your list I would take the Civic SI... and if it gets damaged from parking lot abuse it might actually start to look better over time
The Abarth 500 is a riot to drive but
- It has shit resale
- it's made poorly
- is too small
So much of your diverse list depends on how you like the individual cars. The only one that I'd caution against strongly is the NX hybrid — that RAV4 engine feels wheezy and lame in the NX, totally out of place. The infotainment is also a mess. I like the driving dynamics otherwise, but turbo all the way.
Of this list Civic si no question.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 26, 2018, 07:13:15 AM
The Abarth 500 is a riot to drive but
- It has shit resale
- it's made poorly
- is too small
1. Buy used then. :lol:
2. It's not made
that poorly.
3. Take it as an opportunity to de-clutter your life.
Upgrade exhaust/(does it have a downpipe?), Intake, wheels, chip it,
... do you have any desire to autoX or do track days?
Abarth 500 should be 2o6's 5th car.
IDK I'm also in a very strange place in my life. I've been tempted to sell everything I own and just fuck off out of the USA.
And to be honest, I have no real strong desire to sell the Sonic. Aside from the Civic Si, I really like my Sonic. I'm worried about eventual rust, and right now I have a few minor issues I need to fix. But it's such an engaging car; the steering is right, the ride is good, I don't really see other basic car that I feel like would be an upgrade over it.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 01, 2018, 07:47:21 AM
And to be honest, I have no real strong desire to sell the Sonic. Aside from the Civic Si, I really like my Sonic. I'm worried about eventual rust, and right now I have a few minor issues I need to fix. But it's such an engaging car; the steering is right, the ride is good, I don't really see other basic car that I feel like would be an upgrade over it.
Bait and switch thread then.
I'm changing my vote as I just saw a sweet mini Cooper and remembered how cool they can be... Especially with the JCW package
So much better then a Civic.
So keep the Sonic: build up a cash cushion (working towards an eventual Fuck-it Fund that would allow you to walk away from a job.)
But if you really need to do something right brain & get something more engaging to celebrate "I've made it", let the left brain in a little, & think about upkeep costs and residuals - which really leads to a Civic Si or manual Accord.