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Title: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
I am thinking a con-rod separated. Fucking sucks. Looking to get a cheap H22 & do a little rebuild as I don't want to throw away more $$$$ junking the car completely.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
I am thinking a con-rod separated. Fucking sucks. Looking to get a cheap H22 & do a little rebuild as I don't want to throw away more $$$$ junking the car completely.

How do you not know?

There should be a large hole in the side of your block.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:17:26 PM
How do you not know?

There should be a large hole in the side of your block.

They don't always window, he could have just spun a bushing, and that sounds nasty enough.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
A bushing, you say?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2009, 10:23:16 PM
i think the piston just fell off
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2009, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
A bushing, you say?

Bearing. You know what I meant.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:24:51 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 17, 2009, 10:23:16 PM
i think the piston just fell off

It can't fall off, stoopid. There's a return spring underneeth. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2009, 10:24:35 PM
Bearing. You know what I meant.

I just didn't want sporty to go and rebuild his motor with rubber bushings in place of the bearings.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:27:44 PM
I just didn't want sporty to go and rebuild his motor with rubber bushings in place of the bearings.

I've been ordering bushings for electric motors today, I guess I just had them in my head.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: JWC on January 17, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 17, 2009, 10:27:44 PM
I just didn't want sporty to go and rebuild his motor with rubber bushings in place of the bearings.


Wouldn't rubber bushings, instead of metal bearings, act as vibration dampers and smooth out the engine?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: S204STi on January 17, 2009, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
I am thinking a con-rod separated. Fucking sucks. Looking to get a cheap H22 & do a little rebuild as I don't want to throw away more $$$$ junking the car completely.


I think the car gods are telling you to ditch the bitch and get a real car.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: R-inge on January 17, 2009, 10:44:36 PM

I think the car gods are telling you to ditch the bitch and get a real car.
The devil you know....

Someone else swapped the same motor and is having similar shortblock issues. One of my friends said he will do the swap for very cheap, so I just need to get a cheap motor, have it running for a little bit and then I'll decide whether or not to let it go. There's a somewhat cheap and fully loaded 328i that's been on sale for about a month now.... 233k miles though :( Something is telling me to just surrender and get a Sentra
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 18, 2009, 01:26:15 AM
Quote from: R-inge on January 17, 2009, 10:44:36 PM

I think the car gods are telling you to ditch the bitch and get a real car.
:ohyeah:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 09:57:18 AM
I found a full Prelude VTEC swap for $950... tranny and motor... if I can knock it down to $850 I'll be rollin by mid Feb
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: S204STi on January 18, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
There ya go.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 11:02:58 AM
Put a turbo on it.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sparkplug on January 18, 2009, 11:40:50 AM
RIP
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: GoCougs on January 18, 2009, 12:06:24 PM
Good gods Sporty, you're car exploits have got to be driving you absolutely insane. The answer's there, I'm just not so sure why you're ignoring it (and no, it ain't dropping in a Prelude drive train).
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: r0tor on January 18, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
a honda fail? never...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: TBR on January 18, 2009, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 18, 2009, 12:06:24 PM
Good gods Sporty, you're car exploits have got to be driving you absolutely insane. The answer's there, I'm just not so sure why you're ignoring it (and no, it ain't dropping in a Prelude drive train).

So buying a significantly more expensive car is the answer?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Thinking about it... I could have this car running again for very very very cheap. To put in another Prelude motor and keep the car for any extended period of time would be the definition of insanity. I'm just trying to think of the benefits to keeping this car... I can't think of one. IDK man
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 18, 2009, 03:05:28 PM
You need a Beetle. No, not that Beetle, the other one.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Secret Chimp on January 18, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
Dude, what was wrong with the Maxima again? Anything? Hondas keep seeming to break on you.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 3.0L V6 on January 18, 2009, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 18, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
Dude, what was wrong with the Maxima again? Anything? Hondas keep seeming to break on you.

Yes. It was too reliable for him.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 18, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
Dude, what was wrong with the Maxima again? Anything? Hondas keep seeming to break on you.
It was too big, and it didn't have a sunroof.

I'm buying my next car from a dealer...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 05:10:03 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
It was too big, and it didn't have a sunroof.

I'm buying my next car from a dealer...

NOoooooooO!!!!! Don't go to a stealer!!!!!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
Not a big car, has a giant sunroof, turbo, and is probably reliable enough:

http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/997754750.html
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 18, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
Not a big car, has a giant sunroof, turbo, and is probably reliable enough:

http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/997754750.html
I might as well throw 1500 down the toilet...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 18, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I might as well throw 1500 down the toilet...

You must have a really nice toilet.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I might as well throw 1500 down the toilet...

So you'll get at least $300 out of it. Not bad.  :huh:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Since when are Maximas "big"?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Danish on January 18, 2009, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Since when are Maximas "big"?

He lives in NYC
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 18, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Since when are Maximas "big"?

People sometimes get used to a certain size, and are reluctant to adapt.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 08:23:18 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 18, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
People sometimes get used to a certain size, and are reluctant to adapt.


Versus an Accord?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 18, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 08:23:18 PM

Versus an Accord?

He's driving an older, early 90s Accord which weren't all that big.  They were about as big as a Contour or 1st gen Altima (barely midsize).
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 18, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2009, 08:23:18 PM

Versus an Accord?

If you change the sight lines, and the way a car responds, it can make a car feel larger or smaller even if it doesn't change the physical size.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: CJ on January 18, 2009, 09:05:57 PM
Get a Volvo.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: CJ on January 18, 2009, 09:05:57 PM
Get a Volvo.

Excellent sight lines make it feel small, slow response makes it feel big. YAY!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: CJ on January 18, 2009, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 18, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Excellent sight lines make it feel small, slow response makes it feel big. YAY!


And the excellent brakes make it feel small again!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: CJ on January 18, 2009, 10:05:47 PM

And the excellent brakes make it feel small again!

And the fuel economy makes it feel big again!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: CJ on January 18, 2009, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 18, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
And the fuel economy makes it feel big again!

And the turn radius makes it feel little again!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: The Pirate on January 18, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
Didn't this car have low mileage?  Seriously, aren't you 3 for 3 with Honda deaths?  Might be time to pick up something newish, that hasn't been abused (as most any modded '90s Honda has been).

Sorry to hear about that, though.  I do like those cars.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 3.0L V6 on January 18, 2009, 10:36:09 PM
You killed 3 Hondas? That's pretty impressive, since Honda 4-bangers are usually pretty stout.

How'd you kill the other ones?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Rupert on January 19, 2009, 12:06:31 AM
Isn't it three killed Hondas and two Maximas that survived?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 19, 2009, 05:01:29 AM
1st Accord died. 2nd Accord was running like a top when I sold it but it didn't have A/C or P/S and I didn't want to go through putting it all in. 3rd Accord died. 1st Maxima got into an accident (had I known more about cars I would have fixed it, it was all cosmetic), 2nd Maxima was running fine but I sold for reasons listed.

Right now I am thinking TSX, Prelude or later G20. Possibly an automatic :cry:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2009, 09:16:06 AM
wtfbbq

94 Turbobrick $1500 http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/cto/991432483.html
99 9-3 Turbo $2450 http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/994798669.html
99 9-3 Turbo $2500 http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/997914138.html
98 Maxima $3700 http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/997787692.html  :lol:
97 Mustang GT $3800 http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/998392393.html
02 Legacy $4700 http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/995640982.html
02 Altima $5900 http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/996226630.html
02 Focus SVT $5995 with ugly lights http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ctd/995763091.html
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: the Teuton on January 19, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
I'd get a G20.  Those were nifty, little cars, and the SR20 NA is stout.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2009, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: the Teuton on January 19, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
I'd get a G20.  Those were nifty, little cars, and the SR20 NA is stout.

4-cyl + slushbox = No.
Unless turbo'd, of course.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: CJ on January 19, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
That Volvo that you posted probably just needs the overdrive solenoid or relay.  That and the lift gate struts. 
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: spishak on January 19, 2009, 11:55:09 AM
Perhaps getting it replaced by an experienced person is better option than doing it yourself.

Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 19, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 19, 2009, 09:30:39 AM
4-cyl + slushbox = No.
Unless turbo'd, of course.


G20's are available in 5-speed.



Also, look for the touring model. Tourings have LSD. I hope to get one for my 1st car.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: CJ on January 19, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
That Volvo that you posted probably just needs the overdrive solenoid or relay.  That and the lift gate struts. 

Mine needs lift gate struts, and mine has the O/D solenoid bypassed. So, I can't turn O/D off, but at least I have it.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 19, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 19, 2009, 12:23:15 PM

G20's are available in 5-speed.



Also, look for the touring model. Tourings have LSD. I hope to get one for my 1st car.
Yea the touring model is the pick of the litter. I skipped a '96 for my first Accord.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 19, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 19, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Yea the touring model is the pick of the litter. I skipped a '96 for my first Accord.

WHAT? WHY!?  :banghead:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 20, 2009, 07:09:08 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 19, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
WHAT? WHY!?  :banghead:
At the time the Accord was very solid; the G20 had some issues to fix. Of course if I knew then what I know now... I would have the Maxima
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: TBR on January 20, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
If it were me I would pay to have the Accord fixed right (ie: a rebuilt engine not just another old, tired engine that's just going to give up in a few thousand miles like the last one) and try to keep it as long as I could. Hell, that is what I am doing.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: GoCougs on January 20, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
Sporty, dump the Accord as-is, and get yourself into a standard/unmodified $8,000 - $10,000 compact such as a Corolla or Civic AND STAY THERE FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS (AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF).

Time for playing around is over, you need to get ahead, and THEN think about get something that tickles your car hobby fancy. Until then, substituting junk will only continue to drive you nuts.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: SVT666 on January 20, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: NACar on January 19, 2009, 09:16:06 AM

97 Mustang GT $3800 http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/998392393.html
Holy shit.  That's a good deal.  That car looks to be in great shape and those wheels are kickass.  If I lived anywhere near this car, I would buy it.

Quote02 Focus SVT $5995 with ugly lights http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ctd/995763091.html
Get this one!  Swap those ugly ass headlights for the stock ones and you've got a killer car.  I love my SVTF.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 20, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
Sporty, dump the Accord as-is, and get yourself into a standard/unmodified $8,000 - $10,000 compact such as a Corolla or Civic AND STAY THERE FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS (AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF).

Time for playing around is over, you need to get ahead, and THEN think about get something that tickles your car hobby fancy. Until then, substituting junk will only continue to drive you nuts.


He's young and restless. He just wants to have fun with his rides. A corolla is boring a s ever, compared to the Modded accords he's had.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: L. ed foote on January 20, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 20, 2009, 11:49:18 AM

He's young and restless. He just wants to have fun with his rides. A corolla is boring a s ever, compared to the Modded accords he's had.

Not only that, Sporty lives in Brooklyn where spending that kind of $$ on a car that will be driven part time during the week and weekends doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: SVT32V on January 20, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 20, 2009, 11:49:18 AM

He's young and restless. He just wants to have fun with his rides. A corolla is boring a s ever, compared to the Modded accords he's had.

An accord, even modded is not exactly a high performance thrill ride.  I don't mean that in a mean-spirited or confrontational way.

If sporty wants something fun he should buy something with more sporting intentions built into it from the start.  Almost any real performance car would embarrass any of the modded accords he has had. Since they came that way from the factory, they will be less likely to break.

Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 20, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: L. ed foote on January 20, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
Not only that, Sporty lives in Brooklyn where spending that kind of $$ on a car that will be driven part time during the week and weekends doesn't make sense.
Word up. If I'm gonna blow that kind of change, I'm gonna do it like I really mean it. Older S2Ks & Preludes go for that much... and I wouldn't have to swap motors or anything crazy to enjoy them. If insurance checks out I will probably go that route.

I do agree though that it's time to put cars to the background as a priority and just buy something to leave alone. The emotional investments are unnecessary & a total drain.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 3.0L V6 on January 20, 2009, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 20, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Word up. If I'm gonna blow that kind of change, I'm gonna do it like I really mean it. Older S2Ks & Preludes go for that much... and I wouldn't have to swap motors or anything crazy to enjoy them. If insurance checks out I will probably go that route.

I do agree though that it's time to put cars to the background as a priority and just buy something to leave alone. The emotional investments are unnecessary & a total drain.

Buy a cheap beater and drive it until it dies. You seem mechanically adept, so as long as you avoid stuff with chronic, labor-intensive problems, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2009, 10:13:19 PM
It is entirely possible to have a cheap beater and still have fun. Go ahead, ask me how I know.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 21, 2009, 06:27:08 AM
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on January 20, 2009, 06:48:47 PM
Buy a cheap beater and drive it until it dies. You seem mechanically adept, so as long as you avoid stuff with chronic, labor-intensive problems, you'll be fine.
Quote from: NACar on January 20, 2009, 10:13:19 PM
It is entirely possible to have a cheap beater and still have fun. Go ahead, ask me how I know.

This car WAS a cheap beater... and it died! No more cheap beaters.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 21, 2009, 09:04:17 AM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 21, 2009, 06:27:08 AM
This car WAS a cheap beater... and it died! No more cheap beaters.

Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. So, I heard you can get a brand new Kia RIo with a 1,000,000 mile warranty and no options for just $8999.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 21, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: NACar on January 21, 2009, 09:04:17 AM
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. So, I heard you can get a brand new Kia RIo with a 1,000,000 mile warranty and no options for just $8999.
There are much better pre-owned cars for that kind of $$$...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 21, 2009, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 21, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
There are much better pre-owned cars for that kind of $$$...

Like an Accord with a Prelude motor.  :praise:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 3.0L V6 on January 24, 2009, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 21, 2009, 06:27:08 AM
This car WAS a cheap beater... and it died! No more cheap beaters.

I'm thinking more in the $3-5k range. No modded cars....that seems to be your recipe for disaster. I'd imagine a stock Accord (were any of them you owned stock?) would've lasted much longer.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Raza on January 26, 2009, 05:15:12 PM
I'd buy a Focus or SVT Focus and be done with it.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 27, 2009, 06:54:01 AM
Quote from: Raza  on January 26, 2009, 05:15:12 PM
I'd buy a Focus or SVT Focus and be done with it.
That would work well in the city, but I'm not a huge fan of the looks. If it were a Focus RS, maybe... I'd rather just get a Prelude.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Raza on January 27, 2009, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 27, 2009, 06:54:01 AM
That would work well in the city, but I'm not a huge fan of the looks. If it were a Focus RS, maybe... I'd rather just get a Prelude.

Start with an SVT and get an RS front bumper.  Making it look like an RS can't be that much trouble if it matters to you so much.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2009, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 27, 2009, 06:54:01 AM
That would work well in the city, but I'm not a huge fan of the looks. If it were a Focus RS, maybe... I'd rather just get a Prelude.

Why would you get a Prelude if you're trying to avoid the Prelude motor in the first place? Just put a Prelude motor in the Accord!
:hammerhead:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: L. ed foote on January 27, 2009, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 20, 2009, 10:13:19 PM
It is entirely possible to have a cheap beater and still have fun.

Yep

(http://rama0929.smugmug.com/photos/280915919_MFZzg-M.jpg)

:praise:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 27, 2009, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: Raza  on January 27, 2009, 02:19:48 PM
Start with an SVT and get an RS front bumper.  Making it look like an RS can't be that much trouble if it matters to you so much.

Quote from: NACar on January 27, 2009, 03:43:53 PM
Why would you get a Prelude if you're trying to avoid the Prelude motor in the first place? Just put a Prelude motor in the Accord!
:hammerhead:

One thing I've learned about cars... better to pay a little more to get what you want, than try to reinvent the wheel. A great stock car is a much better investment than a "build"
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Raza on January 27, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 27, 2009, 04:44:04 PM
One thing I've learned about cars... better to pay a little more to get what you want, than try to reinvent the wheel. A great stock car is a much better investment than a "build"

Okay, so you've got that down.

But the SVT Focus is a great stock car.  You just don't like the way it looks. 
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Secret Chimp on January 27, 2009, 10:13:30 PM
Quote from: L. ed foote on January 27, 2009, 04:03:32 PM
Yep

(http://rama0929.smugmug.com/photos/280915919_MFZzg-M.jpg)

:praise:

Holy front overhang, Batman. It's like they included a car-sized ice scraper.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 28, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Raza  on January 27, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
Okay, so you've got that down.

But the SVT Focus is a great stock car.  You just don't like the way it looks. 
Too slow
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Raza on January 28, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 28, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
Too slow

Oh yeah, mid 7s is really too slow for bumper to bumper NYC traffic.   :nutty:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: S204STi on January 28, 2009, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 28, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
Too slow

Says the honda boi.

Jesus man, you think your car is fast I bet.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 28, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
Too slow
I doubt your car is any faster.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: r0tor on January 28, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
I doubt your car is any faster.

i bet his car is much faster
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: NomisR on January 28, 2009, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: Raza  on January 28, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
Oh yeah, mid 7s is really too slow for bumper to bumper NYC traffic.   :nutty:
Hey, some people need to go no where fast!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
Quote from: r0tor on January 28, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
i bet his car is much faster
?

If he has the 200hp H22 I suppose, but an SVT Focus isn't slow.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 28, 2009, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
?

If he has the 200hp H22 I suppose, but an SVT Focus isn't slow.

Meh. SVT Fuci aren't fast, either. They're mostly just fun. It probably weighs about the same as the Accord, too.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
?

If he has the 200hp H22 I suppose, but an SVT Focus isn't slow.

SVT didn't run under 7 seconds to 60.  Considering his Accord probably doesn't weigh much, if any, more and has more power and torque, it's probably quicker.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
SVT didn't run under 7 seconds to 60.  Considering his Accord probably doesn't weigh much, if any, more and has more power and torque, it's probably quicker.
But since when is 0-60 seconds in 7 seconds 'too slow'?

And I just said that if his Accord had the H22A then it's probably quicker.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
SVT didn't run under 7 seconds to 60.  Considering his Accord probably doesn't weigh much, if any, more and has more power and torque, it's probably quicker.


SVT Focus = 2700lbs

1990-1993 Accord = 3200lbs


SVT Focus = 175HP

Accord = 130HP stock, his is around 140 maybe? Also factor in the loss from his Automatic transmission.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:26:09 PM

SVT Focus = 2700lbs

1990-1993 Accord = 3200lbs


SVT Focus = 175HP

Accord = 130HP stock, his is around 140 maybe? Also factor in the loss from his Automatic transmission.
Accord = 200HP H22 Prelude motor + manual transmission.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:21:39 PM
But since when is 0-60 seconds in 7 seconds 'too slow'?

And I just said that if his Accord had the H22A then it's probably quicker.

When you're used to and want something quicker, 7 is too slow.  And I don't think they even ran 7 flat.  IIRC, they were around a 7.3 second car to 60.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
When you're used to and want something quicker, 7 is too slow.  And I don't think they even ran 7 flat.  IIRC, they were around a 7.3 second car to 60.
I've always wondered how people have the room and place to run their cars WOT all the way to  60 mph to consider 7 seconds too slow. :huh:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:31:51 PM
I've heard lots of people claim that their swapped Civic/ITR or Accord/Prelude hybrid "runs 13s on pump gas," or similar claims. When I owned the S2000 (which attracted such cars like flies to honey), I ran a few of them too. None of them were ever near as fast as they claimed to be.

That's not saying that they don't exist, that's just saying what I've seen.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:28:33 PM
I've always wondered how people have the room and place to run their cars WOT all the way to  60 mph to consider 7 seconds too slow. :huh:

Funny thing about that: the faster your car is, the less room it takes to get to 60.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:32:22 PM
Funny thing about that: the faster your car is, the less room it takes to get to 60.
:lol:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:26:09 PM

SVT Focus = 2700lbs

1990-1993 Accord = 3200lbs


SVT Focus = 175HP

Accord = 130HP stock, his is around 140 maybe? Also factor in the loss from his Automatic transmission.

SVTF was 170, not 175. 

And a early 90s Accord was under 3000 lbs.  And I suspect he's got much closer to 200 hp under hood (and a stick, IIRC).
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
Accord = 200HP H22 Prelude motor + manual transmission.

He didn't do the swap. If so, doing the swap would be pointless since he's decided to buy a more expensive car.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
He didn't do the swap. If so, doing the swap would be pointless since he's decided to buy a more expensive car.
He did do the swap...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
He did do the swap...

Why does it matter?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Why does it matter?
To prove 206 wrong.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:32:22 PM
Funny thing about that: the faster your car is, the less room it takes to get to 60.

Bullshit, asshole.

Prove it to me in the form of a differential equation.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
He did do the swap...

He did? I didn't read anything.............
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
Bullshit, asshole.

Prove it to me in the form of a differential equation.
It makes sense. :huh:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
He did? I didn't read anything.............
He bought the car in the first place to do the swap.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
Bullshit, asshole.

Prove it to me in the form of a differential equation.

X  = .5(Vo + V)t

as t decreases, so does x proportionately.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:41:45 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 18, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Thinking about it... I could have this car running again for very very very cheap. To put in another Prelude motor and keep the car for any extended period of time would be the definition of insanity. I'm just trying to think of the benefits to keeping this car... I can't think of one. IDK man

No he didn't...............it was his daily driver until the motor blew.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:41:45 PM
No he didn't...............it was his daily driver until the motor blew.
To put in ANOTHER Prelude motor... :huh:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
To put in ANOTHER Prelude motor... :huh:

I'm not sure that really counts as a swap then.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
To put in ANOTHER Prelude motor... :huh:


I cannot read.




Still, speed isn't always everything.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
I'm not sure that really counts as a swap then.
He already put did the swap and put one in, and that Prelude motor died on him. He was talking about replacing the busted Prelude motor with ANOTHER Prelude motor.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
X  = .5(Vo + V)t

as t decreases, so does x proportionately.

:lol:
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
X  = .5(Vo + V)t

as t decreases, so does x proportionately.

a*t = Vf - Vi, not +
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:52:41 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
a = Vf - Vi, not +

Vf= Velocity final.

Vo =velocity original.

because velocities are vectors and not scalars, they may be expressed as negatives also, so the standard form is Vo+V

Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
dx/dt = v(t)

dv/dt = a(t)
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
dx/dt = v(t)

dv/dt = a(t)

Do you want to unecessarily complicate it or do you want an equation you can work with easily?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: S204STi on January 28, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
I've been in stripped down Hondas with JDM sumpinorothers swapped in them making all kinds of power on paper, and they aren't that quick IMHO.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:52:41 PM
Vf= Velocity final.

Vo =velocity original.

because velocities are vectors and not scalars, they may be expressed as negatives also, so the standard form is Vo+V




From a dead stop (constant acceleration),

x = 0.5 * a * t^2
a = (Vf - Vi)/t

x = 0.5 * (Vf - Vi) * t

Vectors do indeed have positives and negatives depending on your coordinate system.  And in this case, we're really dealing with speeds and not proper vectors anyway.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 28, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Do you want to unecessarily complicate it or do you want an equation you can work with easily?

Let's make it unescessarily complicated...just like my first Physics II prof. :lol:

I'm pretty sure that 99% of what I'm learning in Calc 4 could be modeled with much simpler equations.

Fellas, I was joking!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
Wha?

From a dead stop (constant acceleration),

x = 0.5 * a * t^2
a = (Vf - Vi)/t

x = 0.5 * (Vf - Vi) * t

Your variablles: Vi (initial)= 0, Vf(final)=60

My variables: V0 (original)=0, V=60

60-0=60

0+60=60

How the fuck is this confusing you?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:56:30 PM

From a dead stop (constant acceleration),

x = 0.5 * a * t^2
a = (Vf - Vi)/t

x = 0.5 * (Vf - Vi) * t

Vectors do indeed have positives and negatives depending on your coordinate system.  And in this case, we're really dealing with speeds and not proper vectors anyway.

Then don't call your variables V!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:01:05 PM
Your variablles: Vi (initial)= 0, Vf(final)=60

My variables: V0 (original)=0, V=60

60-0=60

0+60=60

How the fuck is this confusing you?

Because if Vo wasn't 0, then the equation would give a wrong result.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:01:41 PM
Then don't call your variables V!

If they were vectors, they would be printed in bold (or underlined, or with a little "hat" over them, or some other common indication of a vector quantity).
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 08:03:14 PM
Because if Vo wasn't 0, then the equation would give a wrong result.

Oh, okay.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
If they were vectors, they would be printed in bold (or underlined, or with a little "hat" over them, or some other common indication of a vector quantity).

V for velocity! Not V for vector!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: S204STi on January 28, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
V for Victory?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 28, 2009, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:26:09 PM

SVT Focus = 2700lbs

1990-1993 Accord = 3200lbs


SVT Focus = 175HP

Accord = 130HP stock, his is around 140 maybe? Also factor in the loss from his Automatic transmission.

Wrong. That generation Accord weighs 2700-2900 lbs.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: NACar on January 28, 2009, 08:33:03 PM
Wrong. That generation Accord weighs 2700-2900 lbs.

Yeah, I was looking at the 07 accord. (which is surprisingly light..........not too far off from a Cobalt)
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: R-inge on January 28, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
I've been in stripped down Hondas with JDM sumpinorothers swapped in them making all kinds of power on paper, and they aren't that quick IMHO.
But... but... they're mad tyte JDM y0!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: R-inge on January 28, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
V for Victory?
No, V for Vagina!
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Danish on January 29, 2009, 02:02:51 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 28, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
No, V for Vagina!

Its too bad you killed the joke cause I was gonna say V for Vendetta
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: hotrodalex on January 29, 2009, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: Danish on January 29, 2009, 02:02:51 AM
Its too bad you killed the joke cause I was gonna say V for Vendetta

Same here.  :(
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Raza on January 29, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: r0tor on January 28, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
i bet his car is much faster

Not with a dead engine. 
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: SVT32V on January 29, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 28, 2009, 07:56:30 PM

From a dead stop (constant acceleration),

x = 0.5 * a * t^2
a = (Vf - Vi)/t

x = 0.5 * (Vf - Vi) * t

Vectors do indeed have positives and negatives depending on your coordinate system.  And in this case, we're really dealing with speeds and not proper vectors anyway.

Car acceleration will not be constant but decrease over time.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 30, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 28, 2009, 07:26:09 PM

SVT Focus = 2700lbs

1990-1993 Accord = 3200lbs


SVT Focus = 175HP

Accord = 130HP stock, his is around 140 maybe? Also factor in the loss from his Automatic transmission.
I had a 160HP motor w/the stock 5 spd manual tranny.

I'm lookin at the last Preludes now, I can't commit to financing a G to drive 50 miles a week...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: SVT32V on January 29, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Car acceleration will not be constant but decrease over time.

That doesn't really matter, does it?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 07:50:50 AM
Quote from: SVT32V on January 29, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Car acceleration will not be constant but decrease over time.

That particular equation is only true if acceleration is a constant WRT time.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: sportyaccordy on January 31, 2009, 01:24:59 PM
Just approximate an acceleration function + integrate
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2009, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 07:50:50 AM
That particular equation is only true if acceleration is a constant WRT time.

or if you're concerned with average acceleration.

Jesus, you guys are the biggest geeks. it was a joke, you know.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: r0tor on January 31, 2009, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 07:50:50 AM
That particular equation is only true if acceleration is a constant WRT time.

depends what its relative too...
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Secret Chimp on January 31, 2009, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2009, 02:46:17 PM
or if you're concerned with average acceleration.

Jesus, you guys are the biggest geeks. it was a joke, you know.

(http://www.ugo.com/movies/dont-sweat-it/movies/images/revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg)
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 31, 2009, 08:23:36 PM
(http://www.ugo.com/movies/dont-sweat-it/movies/images/revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg)

I believe that gentleman was more upset about nerds specifically.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
I believe that gentleman was more upset about nerds specifically.

And technically we, or at least I, would be a nerd.  A geek is the guy at the circus who bites the heads off of chickens.
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
And technically we, or at least I, would be a nerd.  A geek is the guy at the circus who bites the heads off of chickens.

Just stop. OK?
Title: Re: So my motor died...
Post by: Secret Chimp on February 01, 2009, 11:59:42 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 31, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
And technically we, or at least I, would be a nerd.  A geek is the guy at the circus who bites the heads off of chickens.

No, geeks are people who talk about World of Warcraft enthusiastically and make programming jokes.