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Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 04:44:33 PM
Lately the Buick has been making a sound when I turn the wheel left.  It doesn't occur if I make just a gentle turn, but if I turn the will fast or all the way to the left it does it.  I would describe it as an unpleasant buzz that sounds like metal is grinding together.   I check the CV boot.  No problem there, but the sound is not a characteristic CV click anyway.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: footoflead on September 17, 2005, 05:42:29 PM
steering pump mabey, if it was a ford i would say that was it for sure, not sure why but both my brothers mustang and my dads steering pumps are very noisy
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 05:54:07 PM
I know that noise all to well, and it's not that.  I'm thinking something in the steering linkage.  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 05:59:04 PM
Guess I better give Vince, the mechanic, a ring.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: footoflead on September 17, 2005, 05:59:46 PM
QuoteGuess I better give Vince, the mechanic, a ring.
sorry, Good luck Tom :rockon:  B)  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 06:11:03 PM
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QuoteGuess I better give Vince, the mechanic, a ring.
sorry, Good luck Tom :rockon:  B)
Thanks.  Tie rod?
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Catman on September 17, 2005, 07:04:09 PM
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QuoteGuess I better give Vince, the mechanic, a ring.
sorry, Good luck Tom :rockon:  B)
Thanks.  Tie rod?
Tie rod wouldn't make a noise like that it would knock.  Sounds like the steering rack.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 07:06:40 PM
Steering rack?  I though it has a recirculating ball steering system, not rack and pinion...
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2005, 07:09:01 PM
Ok, I was completely wrong.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:32:35 PM
Wtf, mechanic says it's bad brakes and rotors.  That doesn't explain the loud buzz I get when I turn the wheel.  I wish I could talk to him but he called when I wasn't home.  Dammit, and my brother just told me he hit a deer on the front left side right around the time this started.  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raza on September 19, 2005, 02:34:56 PM
Your brother hit a deer in your car and didn't tell you?  I'd be pissed.

Wait...deer are large animals.  How did you not notice?
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: MX793 on September 19, 2005, 02:38:37 PM
Does it make the noise if you're just sitting still and turn the steering wheel, or does the car have to be in motion?

If it makes a noise when the car is sitting still, then it's a steering system issue.  If it only does it when moving, then it could be a bad wheel bearing or possibly the rotors/brakes.  

I had the calipers freeze on the slide pins on my 240SX so the calipers wouldn't float and center themselves on the discs.  This caused the inner brake pads to wear down to the backing plate and when I'd corner, the corner loads would push the caliper into the disc and the metal backing plate would grind onto the rotor, making a pretty bad noise.  I thought it was a wheel bearing at first until I pulled the wheel off.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:41:33 PM
QuoteYour brother hit a deer in your car and didn't tell you?  I'd be pissed.

Wait...deer are large animals.  How did you not notice?
He apparantly hit it on the side of the car.   I'm surprised their was not paint loss or dent.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raza on September 19, 2005, 02:42:59 PM
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QuoteYour brother hit a deer in your car and didn't tell you?  I'd be pissed.

Wait...deer are large animals.  How did you not notice?
He apparantly hit it on the side of the car.   I'm surprised their was not paint loss or dent.
That would surprise the shit out of me, too.  My friend totalled a minivan on a deer.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:45:06 PM
QuoteDoes it make the noise if you're just sitting still and turn the steering wheel, or does the car have to be in motion?

If it makes a noise when the car is sitting still, then it's a steering system issue.  If it only does it when moving, then it could be a bad wheel bearing or possibly the rotors/brakes.  

I had the calipers freeze on the slide pins on my 240SX so the calipers wouldn't float and center themselves on the discs.  This caused the inner brake pads to wear down to the backing plate and when I'd corner, the corner loads would push the caliper into the disc and the metal backing plate would grind onto the rotor, making a pretty bad noise.  I thought it was a wheel bearing at first until I pulled the wheel off.
No, no noise when stopped.  Your explanation sounds exactly like what's happening.  Thank you!  But it does sound really coincidental that the deer accident happened right before I noticed this noise.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Run Away on September 19, 2005, 02:46:49 PM
All your wax jobs made the deer just slide off, Tom.:praise:
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: MX793 on September 19, 2005, 02:47:44 PM
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QuoteYour brother hit a deer in your car and didn't tell you?  I'd be pissed.

Wait...deer are large animals.  How did you not notice?
He apparantly hit it on the side of the car.   I'm surprised their was not paint loss or dent.
In which case, I'd say the deer hit him.  My father had the same thing about a year ago.  He was pulling his trailer behind his pickup and a deer decided to bolt across the road.  It missed the truck but the front corner of the trailer hit it, which dented in the trailer a bit.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:48:01 PM
QuoteAll your wax jobs made the deer just slide off, Tom.:praise:
:praise:  :lol:  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: MX793 on September 19, 2005, 02:49:08 PM
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QuoteDoes it make the noise if you're just sitting still and turn the steering wheel, or does the car have to be in motion?

If it makes a noise when the car is sitting still, then it's a steering system issue.  If it only does it when moving, then it could be a bad wheel bearing or possibly the rotors/brakes. 

I had the calipers freeze on the slide pins on my 240SX so the calipers wouldn't float and center themselves on the discs.  This caused the inner brake pads to wear down to the backing plate and when I'd corner, the corner loads would push the caliper into the disc and the metal backing plate would grind onto the rotor, making a pretty bad noise.  I thought it was a wheel bearing at first until I pulled the wheel off.
No, no noise when stopped.  Your explanation sounds exactly like what's happening.  Thank you!  But it does sound really coincidental that the deer accident happened right before I noticed this noise.
Do you notice any grinding when stopping?  See, mine would grind when I hit the brakes too, not just in corners.  If it makes no grinding when stopping, I'd also have the mechanic check the wheel bearings.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:50:59 PM
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QuoteYour brother hit a deer in your car and didn't tell you?? I'd be pissed.

Wait...deer are large animals.? How did you not notice?
He apparantly hit it on the side of the car.   I'm surprised their was not paint loss or dent.
In which case, I'd say the deer hit him.  My father had the same thing about a year ago.  He was pulling his trailer behind his pickup and a deer decided to bolt across the road.  It missed the truck but the front corner of the trailer hit it, which dented in the trailer a bit.
I think that was what happened.  My brother said the he was driving along and a car swerved into his lane and back into his own, later realizing the car did this to aviod the deer.  Not thinking much of it(and maybe not paying attention), he kept going and the deer must have made his way over to his lane and walked into the car.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 02:54:21 PM
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QuoteDoes it make the noise if you're just sitting still and turn the steering wheel, or does the car have to be in motion?

If it makes a noise when the car is sitting still, then it's a steering system issue.? If it only does it when moving, then it could be a bad wheel bearing or possibly the rotors/brakes.?

I had the calipers freeze on the slide pins on my 240SX so the calipers wouldn't float and center themselves on the discs.? This caused the inner brake pads to wear down to the backing plate and when I'd corner, the corner loads would push the caliper into the disc and the metal backing plate would grind onto the rotor, making a pretty bad noise.? I thought it was a wheel bearing at first until I pulled the wheel off.
No, no noise when stopped.  Your explanation sounds exactly like what's happening.  Thank you!  But it does sound really coincidental that the deer accident happened right before I noticed this noise.
Do you notice any grinding when stopping?  See, mine would grind when I hit the brakes too, not just in corners.  If it makes no grinding when stopping, I'd also have the mechanic check the wheel bearings.
No, no grinding when braking.  Hmm, you're right, if the caliper had been grinded down to bare metal, it would really make noise when stopping.  According to the mechanic, the brakes and rotors are completely shot.  I'm confused.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Run Away on September 19, 2005, 02:57:31 PM
Second opinion.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 03:00:59 PM
QuoteSecond opinion.
It's a reputable garage.  We've been using them for years and they are good people.  Tomorrow when the brakes and rotors are changed will be the real test.  I wonder if a good resurface would have done the trick, this is $400+... :(  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Run Away on September 19, 2005, 03:02:54 PM
Yikes.
Well, it's nice having new parts on the car, always a good feeling.
Especially when you can feel the difference, I hope your braking will be better now.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 19, 2005, 03:25:56 PM
QuoteYikes.
Well, it's nice having new parts on the car, always a good feeling.
Especially when you can feel the difference, I hope your braking will be better now.
Hopefully.  Maybe I should get a new car.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 06:20:41 PM
Looks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.  I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.  Total came out to $395.  I feel shafted :o
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: MX793 on September 20, 2005, 06:36:11 PM
I assume the grinding stopped?
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 06:36:29 PM
QuoteI assume the grinding stopped?
It did :)  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raghavan on September 20, 2005, 06:50:43 PM
QuoteLooks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.  I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.  Total came out to $395.  I feel shafted :o
:lol:  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 06:52:13 PM
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QuoteLooks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.  I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.  Total came out to $395.  I feel shafted :o
:lol:
Well I probably could have changed the pads myself, greased up the caliper myself and install new rotors.  Or sand them.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raghavan on September 20, 2005, 06:55:24 PM
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QuoteLooks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.? I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.? Total came out to $395.? I feel shafted :o
:lol:
Well I probably could have changed the pads myself, greased up the caliper myself and install new rotors.  Or sand them.
why didn't you?
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 06:57:24 PM
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QuoteLooks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.? I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.? Total came out to $395.? I feel shafted :o
:lol:
Well I probably could have changed the pads myself, greased up the caliper myself and install new rotors.  Or sand them.
why didn't you?
I wasn't home when the mechanic called with the diagnosis.  Whoever answered gave him the green light.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raghavan on September 20, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
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QuoteLooks like it must have been the stuck caliper MX suggested.? I have a copy of the invoice...

Part Description
F Disc Brake Rotor, quantity: 2, $185
Disc Pads, quantity: 1, $70
Brake Fluid, quantity: 1, $3
Brake Clean, quantity: 1, $4
Brake Lubricant, quantity 1, $3

Labor Description
Replace front disc pads, clean and service caliper sliders, $104

Hazardous materials: $1


So, they replaced one disc pad and both rotors and cleaned the caliper slider.? Total came out to $395.? I feel shafted :o
:lol:
Well I probably could have changed the pads myself, greased up the caliper myself and install new rotors.  Or sand them.
why didn't you?
I wasn't home when the mechanic called with the diagnosis.  Whoever answered gave him the green light.
and you had to pay for it?
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 06:59:41 PM
Yup.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raghavan on September 20, 2005, 07:00:11 PM
QuoteYup.
ouch. :ph34r:  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2005, 07:00:42 PM
Yup.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Run Away on September 20, 2005, 07:01:51 PM
Yup.
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raghavan on September 20, 2005, 07:10:27 PM
yup
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: footoflead on September 20, 2005, 07:11:59 PM
Yup yup yup
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: footoflead on September 20, 2005, 07:12:38 PM
MmmmmmmmmmmmM (now we've done a King of the Hill :D)
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: SargeMonkey on September 20, 2005, 10:31:51 PM
Brake pads anyone? Could be a peice of turkey too...
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: Raza on September 21, 2005, 02:26:27 PM
$400 is around how much it was for me to get two new rotors, pads, and calipers.  
Title: Sound when turning left
Post by: giant_mtb on September 22, 2005, 05:20:29 AM
One time the brake pads were worn out on my brother's Explorer...it was just metal that was braking on the front...and my parents didn't listen to me when I told them he shouldn't be driving it.  Then when they had to pay for new pads and rotors, they reluctantly agreed with me.