Quote from: Rich on April 29, 2024, 11:12:25 AMI'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

It's horrendous.  If anything, Tesla has made the arguments for dealerships existing.  Tons of dealerships suck, including most Hyundai & Kia dealerships.  But there are good dealerships out there, and they're priceless when you actually have an issue.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 29, 2024, 10:18:11 AMI wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Why?  CCS + an adapter is literally the same thing.

I'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

I wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Quote from: MrH on April 29, 2024, 09:19:36 AMIoniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Probably depends on the dealership. Sounds like the Hyundai/Kia dealerships haven't moved up market as quickly as their cars have.

Oooof.  I could send you a laundry list of horror stories getting warranty work done, getting murdered on fees when you turn it back in, etc.  But it sounds like you already made your mind up.  Sad.

Ioniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Damning report from NHTSA.  The knots you guys are tying yourselves into to say it's a nothing is wild to watch.

I did not verify it, but read on an F1 board that Adrian Newey's wife posted a quote from him from years ago on her Instagram about how he would love to work for Ferrari, and she posted "Now is your chance" underneath.


It sounds like even though Christian Horner has not been charged with anything, much less convicted, that Max Verstappen, Adrian Newey, and Helmut Marko essentially consider him to be a sex offender and do not want to work with him anymore. Makes one wonder how secure the Ford partnership from 2026 onwards is.


Makes one question the UK legal system considering the woman ended up being fired.

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