I wouldn't expect Tesla shareholders to do anything rational. They are about to award 10% of their current stock holdings to Elon. An amount that is more than all the profit the company has made in its existence to date.

Logically the second they pass such a package the value of each Tesla stock should drop proportional to the amount they just awarded him, but I suspect it won't, which shows how irrational it is.

Something like this could be an option if they are practical and not really fussy about appearances...

Passenger Van

Just remove the last row of seating and it would be an 8 passenger van with loads of cargo space.

Quote from: MrH on May 02, 2024, 08:35:08 AMFact check: They do not, in fact, have a lead over anybody.  Waymo has done millions of miles of autonomous driving.  Tesla has done zero.

OK.  Perhaps Musk thinks he can beat Waymo because a Waymo technology equipped car costs a whole lot more than a Tesla car with FSD.  If he can get his FSD to be truly driverless, as a robotaxi he would be able to signficantly undercut Waymo in price for a ride. 

 

Quote from: MrH on May 02, 2024, 08:32:33 AMHow or why would GM or Ford buy Tesla?  GM and Ford both have a market cap around $50B.  Tesla is $550B+.  It's over ten times the valuation of GM or Ford.  Never mind the endless liability nightmares involved with "FSD" with multiple deaths and countless accidents.

Only chance for an acquisition is after bankruptcy.

Well yeah, but Tesla's real market cap for their manufacturing capabilities and car sales is really much lower than that. $550B is the fake number based on the FSD & robotaxi illusions.

I wouldn't envision a sale happening until things start to crash back down the reality anyway, either bankruptcy or investors finally opening their eyes to the ridiculous valuation.

Quote from: Submariner2 on May 01, 2024, 09:28:22 PMBooster seats are pretty common up until 6 or so.

Booster seats are required up to age 8. The NHTSA recommends children up to age 12 be in a booster seat but they haven't been able to make a requirement yet.

Quote from: Submariner2 on May 01, 2024, 09:28:22 PMBooster seats are pretty common up until 6 or so.

Now that I think about it, yeah. 6 year old nephew just has a booster. 4 year old niece is still in the 12-point racing seat jetpack fuckin' monstrosity unit still.

I detailed a Traverse yesterday. Two kids, utilizing the 2nd-row captain's chairs. The one behind the driver rear-facing...they had a camera mounted to the headrest of the captain chair facing forward towards the rear-facing car seat wired to a little monitor on the dashboard, powered by the 12V cig outlet. This exact one, actually: https://a.co/d/4paB4Kk

Says it's HD, but it's more like 240p, but for $30 whaddya expect.

Never seen that before. Guess it's more convenient than one of those mirrors that mounts to the headrest

Quote from: veeman on May 01, 2024, 04:07:13 PMI think Musk realizes he cannot and will never be able to compete with Chinese EV auto manufacturers in China (which is the largest market in the world for EV) and elsewhere in the world the outlook for continued expansion of EV market share is not great. He has slashed pricing and profit per Tesla vehicle has significantly decreased but despite this, sales are decreasing.

So he has switched his focus to full self driving where Tesla has a significant lead over everyone else.  If his robotaxi comes to successful fruition it may be a brilliant move but I don't think it will, especially in a highly regulatory U.S. and Western Europe environment. It just takes one fatality or severe injury to shut the whole thing down.

Fact check: They do not, in fact, have a lead over anybody.  Waymo has done millions of miles of autonomous driving.  Tesla has done zero.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 01, 2024, 03:31:35 PMAt this point, GM or Ford should just buy Tesla's car division and Elon can focus on his FSD robotaxi bullshit because he clearly doesn't care about making physical cars anymore

How or why would GM or Ford buy Tesla?  GM and Ford both have a market cap around $50B.  Tesla is $550B+.  It's over ten times the valuation of GM or Ford.  Never mind the endless liability nightmares involved with "FSD" with multiple deaths and countless accidents.

Only chance for an acquisition is after bankruptcy.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 01, 2024, 08:41:09 PMMy brother's kids are like 4 and 6 at this point. Strollers are no longer a thing. But they're still both in car seats? Wtf.

My granddaughters are 3 & 1. They're in heavy rear-facing kiddie seats that are built to withstand big impacts, strapped in tight like fighter pilots with 5-point harnesses. In November mom & dad are going to need a third one of these & a vehicle to match.
There's not a lot of choice. I can think of a Suburban, or one of the 3 or 4 minivans left on the market.

PS. In my day we were unrestrained... bounced around like peas in a can.