Poll
Question:
Which New Car?
Option 1: Volkswagen Rabbit 4 Door - ~$19,109
votes: 4
Option 2: Volkswagen GTI - $26,130
votes: 11
Option 3: Honda Civic Si Coupe - $22,626
votes: 3
Option 4: Honda Civic Si Sedan - $23,190
votes: 7
Option 5: Mazdaspeed3 GT - $24,700
votes: 14
Okay, so I'm running low on time here. Less than 11 months left; I could move as early as 8-9 months from now.
I want to know what you guys think I should look at in the new car segment. Please consider prices when you make a decision.
Remember, I was looking at 30mpg under old EPA, practical, and it has to handle 25-30k miles per year. Reliability is not that big a concern, though, so don't read too much into that.
All cars fit the bill except for the MS3, which is under the gas mileage requirement, but not so much that it would make such a huge deal; it's 28, as I recall.
Please, please post your logic when you vote! I need help.
Si sedan.
VW's suck. :devil:
GTI, can't say that it's better or worse than the others, I just find it more appealing.
Or Si coupe. Either way, you know you want it. K20 FTW.
Of those, I guess the Rabbit. Why not a Mazda 3s sedan or hatch?
I like the Rabbit, but if I was going to consider the GTI... well, I wouldn't because I think would rather have the Civic Si.
What do you prefer, a big flat powerband where you can just floor it and go from any gear or would you rather downshift it an feel the power build as wind it out to 8,000rpms? Do you want a VW just because it's a VW, or are you willing to put brand biases aside? NObody can answer that except for you.
The GTI has more cargo space, it can keep up with the Si in a straight line, and fuel economy is about the same, ok... but, the Si handles better, is lighter, costs less, and with it's high strung powertrain, the Si would be more involving... and I know that is your absolute favourite word to use when judging a car, so if you pick the GTI over the Si, you will never live it down.
You've driven the Si. Now go drive the GTI. Then drive the Si again. Then go drive the MS3 and see if you really care that much about fuel economy. Then drive a Suzuki Reno. Then drive the Si again and buy it.
Suzuki Reno
Two of them
Quote from: NACar on August 28, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
I like the Rabbit, but if I was going to consider the GTI... well, I wouldn't because I think would rather have the Civic Si.
What do you prefer, a big flat powerband where you can just floor it and go from any gear or would you rather downshift it an feel the power build as wind it out to 8,000rpms? Do you want a VW just because it's a VW, or are you willing to put brand biases aside? NObody can answer that except for you.
The GTI has more cargo space, it can keep up with the Si in a straight line, and fuel economy is about the same, ok... but, the Si handles better, is lighter, costs less, and with it's high strung powertrain, the Si would be more involving... and I know that is your absolute favourite word to use when judging a car, so if you pick the GTI over the Si, you will never live it down.
You've driven the Si. Now go drive the GTI. Then drive the Si again. Then go drive the MS3 and see if you really care that much about fuel economy. Then drive a Suzuki Reno. Then drive the Si again and buy it.
Dude, are you trying to become a troll. :confused:
If so you are sucking hardcore at it ;)
Quote from: footoflead on August 28, 2007, 05:06:26 PM
Dude, are you trying to become a troll. :confused:
If so you are sucking hardcore at it ;)
It's all about the
V-TAK, yo! :devil:
Pontiac GTO
ONLY 11 months? Jesus, dude....
Is the Mazda a hatch or sedan? If hatch, that or the GTI, I'd hafta drive them both... Those are by far the most appealing to me. Two of my friends have 3s, and I love them both.
The MS3 is a hatch
Si Sedan...
Since it's your practical car i said sedan, but I'd probably take the coupe if i were buying...
Either way it's cheaper than the GTI and MS3, the MS3 has too much power for an FWD car, and the Rabbit with a few suspension upgrades would be a good second choice, but if you're considering a 2 door Civic i'd consider a 3 door Rabbit.
GTI
Quote from: NACar on August 28, 2007, 06:13:31 PM
No, you just hate Hondas. :evildude:
This man speaks the truth.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 28, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
This man speaks the truth.
And you have no good reason for it, although your obscene love of Toyota partially explains it.
Quote from: NACar on August 28, 2007, 06:20:14 PM
And you have no good reason for it, although your obscene love of Toyota partially explains it.
*nods*
Quote from: Raghavan on August 28, 2007, 06:36:01 PM
Stop trying to copy Omi. :nono:
+1. The my dears get quite annoying coming from trep..only omi can do shit like that,
To raza: I went with Si Coupe for the reason that I think it is reasonably practical and looks way better than the 4 door (IMO). I just can't stand the proportions on the 4 door. But I may be a bit biased because if you put the si coupe to my car the look pretty similiar. Have you driven the tC? It is way cheaper than the SI for the a little but less performance if I recall correctly.
Quote from: Raghavan on August 28, 2007, 06:36:01 PM
Stop trying to copy Omi. :nono:
The *wave* is Omi's. :huh:
Quote from: Minpin on August 28, 2007, 07:06:58 PM
+1. The my dears get quite annoying coming from trep..only omi can do shit like that,
Sorry to disappoint you, my dear. :devil:
I hate VWs and all FWD Hondas (except ITRs.)
Speed3.
(http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0708_08z+2008_saturn_astra+rear_three_quarter_view.jpg)
(http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0708_07z+2008_saturn_astra+front_three_quarter_view.jpg)
Give it a test drive, at least.
^^^Oh hells yeah. Specially if they come out with a redline in the next 11 months. (they will.)
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 28, 2007, 07:13:36 PM
The *wave* is Omi's. :huh:
Sorry to disappoint you, my dear. :devil:
Omi does the *nods* thing too.
Quote from: NACar on August 28, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
the Si would be more involving
If by involving, you mean "I have to downshift everytime I pass because there is no torque," then by definition, yes. :devil:
Quote from: Raghavan on August 28, 2007, 05:37:13 PM
the MS3 has too much power for an FWD car
Never have I heard someone complain about too much power! Crazy. Well I suppose Raza complains about it too.
The cool part about having a throttle that can be at any position means that you don't need to
use all the power in first and second gear, but by third when you get traction you have more than the other two. And you win.
I'd pick MS3, then GTI then SI. But the GTI is pretty close to the MS3, I suppose I'd need a good amount of test drives to decide.
Miata!
F-15 fighter jet!
It would be between the Speed3 and Si Coupe if I was looking for one.
Not to insult anyone but I don't trust VW very much. I've had too many
friends with too many problems out of them over the years. Even if their
cars looked nice inside and out.
Quote from: Submariner on August 28, 2007, 09:18:34 PM
F-15 fighter jet!
Get a Strike Eagle so you have more gas capacity or use it for more storage space.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 28, 2007, 10:15:51 PM
Get a Strike Eagle so you have more gas capacity or use it for more storage space.
I would recommend the Super Hornet-F. Better mileage and higher cruising speed. Much better handling also.
okay fuck those ideas. Just get a F-22
Is that a 3-door or 5-door GTI?
Quote from: Minpin on August 28, 2007, 07:06:58 PM
+1. The my dears get quite annoying coming from trep..only omi can do shit like that,
To raza: I went with Si Coupe for the reason that I think it is reasonably practical and looks way better than the 4 door (IMO). I just can't stand the proportions on the 4 door. But I may be a bit biased because if you put the si coupe to my car the look pretty similiar. Have you driven the tC? It is way cheaper than the SI for the a little but less performance if I recall correctly.
If the tC is twice as good as the xB, I still wouldn't want one. Plus, it's a Toyota made for people who can't wear their hats properly.
Civic Si Coupe. Two words: Honda engine. Best engines in the world. It's a fun car, comfrotable car, great mileage, killer engine, and I'm starting to warm to the design. I still don't think that they are lookers, but I certainly don't think they're ugly anymore. That would be my pick of the ones you listed.
Quote from: ifcar on August 28, 2007, 04:35:15 PM
Of those, I guess the Rabbit. Why not a Mazda 3s sedan or hatch?
I wouldn't choose the standard Mazda3 over the Rabbit, so it's pointless to include it. I wasn't even considering the Speed3 until I read a few reviews talking about how easy it is to handle the power, and how special it feels when you're driving it.
Quote from: NACar on August 28, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
I like the Rabbit, but if I was going to consider the GTI... well, I wouldn't because I think would rather have the Civic Si.
What do you prefer, a big flat powerband where you can just floor it and go from any gear or would you rather downshift it an feel the power build as wind it out to 8,000rpms? Do you want a VW just because it's a VW, or are you willing to put brand biases aside? NObody can answer that except for you.
The GTI has more cargo space, it can keep up with the Si in a straight line, and fuel economy is about the same, ok... but, the Si handles better, is lighter, costs less, and with it's high strung powertrain, the Si would be more involving... and I know that is your absolute favourite word to use when judging a car, so if you pick the GTI over the Si, you will never live it down.
You've driven the Si. Now go drive the GTI. Then drive the Si again. Then go drive the MS3 and see if you really care that much about fuel economy. Then drive a Suzuki Reno. Then drive the Si again and buy it.
Involving is incredibly important, but when it comes to slight degrees, other things do tend to become important as well. Considering this is car that has to drive high miles and be responsible for a lot of cargo hauling, then a small, involving car doesn't make as much sense.
As it stands, though, the GTI might be the car I
want most, but it's the I'm
least likely to buy. It's just too expensive, and the return over the Rabbit may not be enough to justify it. The Speed3 is also pushing the "too expensive" category, and it doesn't have a sunroof, but I just assumed that I'd want the Grand Touring model. It's possible that the standard Speed3 has everything I need, so that would lop a couple thousand off the price, bringing it back in contention with the Si.
In order of the strongest considerations to the weakest, here they are, as it stands right now:
Rabbit
Si sedan
Si coupe
Speed3
GTI
Quote from: Raza on August 29, 2007, 08:23:56 AM
I wouldn't choose the standard Mazda3 over the Rabbit, so it's pointless to include it.
You've driven both? What did you prefer about the Rabbit?
Quote from: 93JC on August 28, 2007, 07:25:56 PM
(http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0708_08z+2008_saturn_astra+rear_three_quarter_view.jpg)
(http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0708_07z+2008_saturn_astra+front_three_quarter_view.jpg)
Give it a test drive, at least.
At 140bhp, a possible weight exceeding the Rabbit's and a similar price (the only Astra that appeals to me is the XR 3 door), the chance of me being swayed by its character is low. I will give it a shot though. Also, I'm one of the few people turned off by a no haggle policy.
If, as Sander hopes, a Redline version comes out within my timeframe (or near it; I'd prefer to have the car locked down by the end of my lease, but if it's something special, I see no problem using the Boxster as my only car for a short time), it would be a possibility. Certainly, if it mirrors the Astra VXR, it would probably be my top choice (if it's priced similarly to or less than the MS3), barring the miracle of Renault selling the Megane R26 here by August 08. And that would be a miracle indeed.
Quote from: ifcar on August 29, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
You've driven both? What did you prefer about the Rabbit?
I've actually driven neither; the standard 3 doesn't appeal to me as much as the Rabbit does. I'm sure it's a fine car, I just don't want it. I'll likely drive the Rabbit this weekend, and perhaps the GTI again; I don't know if I can squeeze in a 3. If I'm able to find a Speed3 in the area, then I should be able to though.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg553098#msg553098 date=1188398106
I've actually driven neither; the standard 3 doesn't appeal to me as much as the Rabbit does.? I'm sure it's a fine car, I just don't want it.? I'll likely drive the Rabbit this weekend, and perhaps the GTI again; I don't know if I can squeeze in a 3.? If I'm able to find a Speed3 in the area, then I should be able to though.?
I've driven the regular 3 and it's very quick. I would definitely consider it especially with the price advantage.
Quote from: M_power on August 28, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
okay fuck those ideas. Just get a F-22
Oh now you're just being ridiculous.
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 28, 2007, 10:19:59 PM
I would recommend the Super Hornet-F. Better mileage and higher cruising speed. Much better handling also.
Yeah, but theres just something so cool about an F-15 E. I would paint it crystal galactite black, as found on the SLR, and show all those punk bitches at the stop light some real horsepower.
if the rabbit gets 170hp, i would take that and use the saved money on some suspension upgrades.
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Quote from: Submariner on August 29, 2007, 10:36:34 AM
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:lol: :lol:
I'd look at the Si Sedan and the MS3. I love the idea of the sedan simply because it now gets the power that Si's have had but now allowed to have two more doors. That and honda engineering ( perceived reliability ). I'm also a big fan of the regular Mazda 3 sports. Yet to drive the MS3, but I already know I loved the handling on the watered down version. The extra punch would make it all the more entertaining. Doesn't hurt that its a looker too.
Quote from: heelntoe on August 29, 2007, 10:11:53 AM
if the rabbit gets 170hp, i would take that and use the saved money on some suspension upgrades.
I took a look at the 2008s, and other than the power bump, there are no obvious changes, other than a roughly $400 increase in price (that's why I have an approximate price up there; I priced an 07 and added $400).
But the thing is that it's creeping ever so closely to the CSi's price. Now, neither are turbocharged (which I'd rather have over NA), but the CSi is a revver, which I like. The biggest things holding me back from the CSi are the looks, the interior, and the practicality. I've done with a sedan for the past 5 years, but never quite so small. As it stands, the Passat is the most practical car I (or anyone in my family) have access to on a regular basis, so the idea of replacing it with a physically smaller, yet more practical car is appealing. I'll have to drive the CSi and Rabbit back to back to see if it's worth it. Also, if they want me to pay a premium on the CSi, I'll promptly tell them to go fuck themselves.
Pontiac gto, you can find many in the low 20's, rape any of the cars you've listed, and my dad's friend who has an '04 consistantly ghets 28+ mpg.. and the newer ones could be even better on gas
Quote from: 68_427 on August 29, 2007, 01:31:09 PM
Pontiac gto, you can find many in the low 20's, rape any of the cars you've listed, and my dad's friend who has an '04 consistantly ghets 28+ mpg.. and the newer ones could be even better on gas
These are specifically the new cars I'm considering. When I suss out which used cars I want to consider, I'll make a used car for that.
Quote from: Raza on August 29, 2007, 03:22:02 PM
These are specifically the new cars I'm considering. When I suss out which used cars I want to consider, I'll make a used car for that.
Are you set on a new car? I just can't imagine the best idea right after college is to buy a [brand] new car. I think I'd get something off lease CPO or the like, then go new when you have a little better base of income.
Sorry to bring it up, but I'm sure you have thought about it anyways.
Quote from: Champ on August 29, 2007, 03:27:14 PM
Are you set on a new car? I just can't imagine the best idea right after college is to buy a [brand] new car. I think I'd get something off lease CPO or the like, then go new when you have a little better base of income.
Sorry to bring it up, but I'm sure you have thought about it anyways.
No, I'm not set on a new car.
Quote from: Submariner on August 29, 2007, 10:09:52 AM
Yeah, but theres just something so cool about an F-15 E.? I would paint it crystal galactite black, as found on the SLR, and show all those punk bitches at the stop light some real horsepower.
I'd just take a RF-4 painted all black with a Playboy bunny on the tail. if it was me. The F-4 looks like a bad ass and with the cameras on the nose I'd fly over the beach and film the hot girls who wave at me. Then smoke them out with the 2 J79's blowing smoke out the back. The lack of a gun to blow away people would suck so I'd need a F-4E too. Or just give me a A-10 for that.
Quote from: M_power on August 28, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
okay fuck those ideas. Just get a F-22
Oh, that's definitely out of his (and his dad's) price range. $50 mil, okay. But $361 mil and change is just too far out there.
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 29, 2007, 04:51:16 PM
Oh, that's definitely out of his (and his dad's) price range. $50 mil, okay. But $361 mil and change is just too far out there.
What's that on a 48 month lease?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg553572#msg553572 date=1188429091
What's that on a 48 month lease?
They have excellent resale value so I can't imagine it being more then about $11,000 a month. You better buy Lease Insurance through the dealership though in case their is excessive wear and tear.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg553485#msg553485 date=1188422522
These are specifically the new cars I'm considering.? When I suss out which used cars I want to consider, I'll make a used car for that.?
When you do, make sure you include my 2000 Pontiac Sunfire GT on your list. 35 mpg is what I've been averaging.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 29, 2007, 05:21:42 PM
When you do, make sure you include my 2000 Pontiac Sunfire GT on your list. 35 mpg is what I've been averaging.
You got that running again? Cool.
Sadly, though, I won't be adding it to my list.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 29, 2007, 05:21:42 PM
When you do, make sure you include my 2000 Pontiac Sunfire GT on your list. 35 mpg is what I've been averaging.
That's great! A tick better than what the Protege will get.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 29, 2007, 05:20:41 PM
They have excellent resale value so I can't imagine it being more then about $11,000 a month. You better buy Lease Insurance through the dealership though in case their is excessive wear and tear.
Good point. How much do you plan on taking surface-to-air missile fire, Raza?
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 29, 2007, 06:06:02 PM
Good point. How much do you plan on taking surface-to-air missile fire, Raza?
Well, work is on the Wilmington-Claymont border, so, yes.
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 29, 2007, 06:06:02 PM
Good point. How much do you plan on taking surface-to-air missile fire, Raza?
I'd be less concerned about SAM's than about AMRAAM's. Although I'd prefer to not enter either of them but you just can't have everything. But my personal choice here would easily be the F-35. That way there really IS the possibility of driving it to work. You could just park it on the top floor of any parking garage. The other cars could park under your wings. :lol:
Quote from: Minpin on August 29, 2007, 08:28:54 PM
I'd be less concerned about SAM's than about AMRAAM's. Although I'd prefer to not enter either of them but you just can't have everything. But my personal choice here would easily be the F-35. That way there really IS the possibility of driving it to work. You could just park it on the top floor of any parking garage. The other cars could park under your wings. :lol:
Yeah, but It likely doesn't have the air superiority capibilities of the F-22. What happens if you cut off a SU-37 on the way to work?
Quote from: Submariner on August 29, 2007, 08:39:11 PM
Yeah, but It likely doesn't have the air superiority capibilities of the F-22. What happens if you cut off a SU-37 on the way to work?
You saying the F-35 couldn't take some measly Su-37? Puuuhhhlease. And just where are you gonna land you're preciouse F-22? You need lots of room to land where as my far superior F-35 can use it's VTOL to land virtually wherever. You lose. :praise: :lol:
or if he has difficulties parking the thing, get a harrier
Quote from: M_power on August 29, 2007, 10:27:23 PM
or if he has difficulties parking the thing, get a harrier
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/1997_Toyota_Harrier_01.jpg/480px-1997_Toyota_Harrier_01.jpg)
Quote from: Minpin on August 29, 2007, 08:59:21 PM
You saying the F-35 couldn't take some measly Su-37? Puuuhhhlease. And just where are you gonna land you're preciouse F-22? You need lots of room to land where as my far superior F-35 can use it's VTOL to land virtually wherever. You lose.? :praise: :lol:
None of the articles I have read say anything about VTOL. The F-35 in Die Hard isn't even real.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 30, 2007, 07:41:11 AM
None of the articles I have read say anything about VTOL. The F-35 in Die Hard isn't even real.
Last time I checked, It has VTOL.
I've also heard rumors about future reiterations of the F-22 with it, but those have been few and far between.
What about a MINI Cooper?
Quote from: Raza on August 29, 2007, 12:55:20 PM
I took a look at the 2008s, and other than the power bump, there are no obvious changes, other than a roughly $400 increase in price (that's why I have an approximate price up there; I priced an 07 and added $400).
But the thing is that it's creeping ever so closely to the CSi's price. Now, neither are turbocharged (which I'd rather have over NA), but the CSi is a revver, which I like. The biggest things holding me back from the CSi are the looks, the interior, and the practicality. I've done with a sedan for the past 5 years, but never quite so small. As it stands, the Passat is the most practical car I (or anyone in my family) have access to on a regular basis, so the idea of replacing it with a physically smaller, yet more practical car is appealing. I'll have to drive the CSi and Rabbit back to back to see if it's worth it. Also, if they want me to pay a premium on the CSi, I'll promptly tell them to go fuck themselves.
ah. can't go wrong wither way. i'm a bit biased against honda though because of the arrogant dealers that i've been to.
Quote from: ifcar on August 30, 2007, 04:48:19 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/1997_Toyota_Harrier_01.jpg/480px-1997_Toyota_Harrier_01.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I was thinking of that as well.
Quote from: Minpin on August 29, 2007, 08:59:21 PM
You saying the F-35 couldn't take some measly Su-37? Puuuhhhlease. And just where are you gonna land you're preciouse F-22? You need lots of room to land where as my far superior F-35 can use it's VTOL to land virtually wherever. You lose. :praise: :lol:
"The first major film appearance of an F-35B was in Live Free or Die Hard (released as Die Hard 4.0 or Die Hard 4 outside North America) in 2007. The film used a combination of a full-scale model and CGI[54][55] to dramatize its hovering ability using the lift fan."
actually further reading said the F-35 is gonna replace the Harrier jump jets so...it's possible that the F-35 does possess VTOL capabilities?
My understanding is that the Marine F-35B version will have short take off and vertical landing and replace the AV-8B.
Here is a little info on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II
I remember seeing a show about the competition between the X-32 and the F-35 and they both had it tested just for that.
Okay the F-35 is a STOVL plane.
"STOVL is an acronym for Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.
This is the ability of some aircraft to take off from a short runway or take off vertically if it does not have a very heavy payload and land vertically (i.e. with no runway). The formal NATO definition (since 1991) is:
A Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing aircraft (a?ronef ? d?collage court et atterrissage vertical) is a fixed-wing aircraft capable of clearing a 15 m (50 ft) obstacle within 450 m (1500 ft) of commencing take-off run, and capable of landing vertically. "
I think only one version will be like this if I remember correctly. I don't think the Air Force or Navy one will have it. I could be wrong but it's never happened before. :lol:
Maybe a used A4 then?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on August 30, 2007, 03:23:46 PM
Maybe a used A4 then?
This is the new car thread, the used car thread will come later and most likely be a clusterfuck!
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on August 30, 2007, 03:23:46 PM
Maybe a used A4 then?
Champ is right, but the A4 is not on the list. It's AWD and doesn't get good enough gas mileage; for a car to go under my floor, it has to be really special.
Hyundai Accent hatchback.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 30, 2007, 07:41:11 AM
None of the articles I have read say anything about VTOL. The F-35 in Die Hard isn't even real.
Quote from: M_power on August 30, 2007, 11:12:34 AM
"The first major film appearance of an F-35B was in Live Free or Die Hard (released as Die Hard 4.0 or Die Hard 4 outside North America) in 2007. The film used a combination of a full-scale model and CGI[54][55] to dramatize its hovering ability using the lift fan."
:lol: :lol: You guys thought I was referring to some shitty hollywood crap? Please I actually love airplanes and love reading about them OF COURSE it has vertical take off. Please do not base your facts off of hollywood.
Quote from: M_power on August 30, 2007, 11:25:07 AM
Okay the F-35 is a STOVL plane.
"STOVL is an acronym for Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.
This is the ability of some aircraft to take off from a short runway or take off vertically if it does not have a very heavy payload and land vertically (i.e. with no runway). The formal NATO definition (since 1991) is:
A Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing aircraft (a?ronef ? d?collage court et atterrissage vertical) is a fixed-wing aircraft capable of clearing a 15 m (50 ft) obstacle within 450 m (1500 ft) of commencing take-off run, and capable of landing vertically. "
At least YOU corrected yourself. I'm waiting Hemi. :lol:
The cool thing about the F-35 is it's the first of it's kind in the the main engine is waht points downward not the silly small ones like in the harrier. It's a beautiful plane. I'm disappointed you guys doubted my plane knowledge. :devil:
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5176/0403f354mz2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) :wub: :wub:
Quote from: Raza on August 30, 2007, 03:37:31 PM
Champ is right, but the A4 is not on the list. It's AWD and doesn't get good enough gas mileage; for a car to go under my floor, it has to be really special.
FWD A4? You're considering all FWD-ers, so why not? :huh:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 30, 2007, 04:19:04 PM
FWD A4? You're considering all FWD-ers, so why not? :huh:
Audi's draw is AWD.
Quote from: Minpin on August 29, 2007, 08:59:21 PM
You saying the F-35 couldn't take some measly Su-37?
Uh, I'd take the Su-37 in that one. That's one damn serious superfighter. http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-37/su-37_specs.htm
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 30, 2007, 05:17:47 PM
Uh, I'd take the Su-37 in that one. That's one damn serious superfighter. http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-37/su-37_specs.htm
The F-22 pwns you all.
According to British research, Simulations between the 22 and the 37 yielded a 10 to 1 kill ratio for the 22.
Quote from: Submariner on August 30, 2007, 05:28:28 PM
The F-22 pwns you all.
According to British research, Simulations between the 22 and the 37 yielded a 10 to 1 kill ratio for the 22.
It better considering it's ten times the price.
F-35 is the only one that can take off vertically though. Actually I'm not sure about the Su-37..although I don't recall it can. Either way the JSF (F-35) is the most economically important because it now means countries who couldn't necessarily afford a jet of this caliber now can. F-35's all around! :lol: I think that's why we spent so damn much on the F-22, we being the U.S. can't just be on par with other nations we have to be better. :huh: Either way I really like the F-35 just because of how cool it is! The whole engine shifting is crazy to me. It had to be a huge challenge to engineer that.
Well the jury is still out on how well the F-35 will perform. Usually highly complex and overweight fighters deliver disappointing real-world performance. I personally think the Boeing X-32, which had a much less sophisticated vertical flight system, would have been the better choice, at least for the Marines STOVL model.
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 30, 2007, 05:48:59 PM
Well the jury is still out on how well the F-35 will perform. Usually highly complex and overweight fighters deliver disappointing real-world performance.
*cough* F-22 :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Minpin on August 30, 2007, 05:54:52 PM
*cough* F-22 :lol: :lol:
... which turns out to be not as fast or maneuverable as the designers intended. Exactly.
Unlike the F/A-18 Super Hornet, which was underweight, under budget, and has been tested to exceed all its design limits by a very comfortable margin, and has been proven capable of beating a Raptor in a straight fight.
Quote from: sandertheshark on August 30, 2007, 06:01:27 PM
... which turns out to be not as fast or maneuverable as the designers intended. Exactly.
Unlike the F/A-18 Super Hornet, which was underweight, under budget, and has been tested to exceed all its design limits by a very comfortable margin, and has been proven capable of beating a Raptor in a straight fight.
Yes, that is quite a remarkable plane. I was in love with that and the F-16 when I was growing up. I have these mdoel planes 40 or so that are about 8 inches long and sit on these metal stands. I love those things. :lol:
Quote from: Minpin on August 30, 2007, 03:44:26 PM
The cool thing about the F-35 is it's the first of it's kind in the the main engine is waht points downward not the silly small ones like in the harrier. It's a beautiful plane. I'm disappointed you guys doubted my plane knowledge. :devil:
The Harrier has only one engine, the thrust from which is pointed downward during hover and rearward when in forward flight.
Quote from: Minpin on August 30, 2007, 06:06:47 PM
Yes, that is quite a remarkable plane. I was in love with that and the F-16 when I was growing up. I have these mdoel planes 40 or so that are about 8 inches long and sit on these metal stands. I love those things. :lol:
I always loved the tomcat. Naturally because it was in my favorite movie of all time
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 30, 2007, 04:19:04 PM
FWD A4? You're considering all FWD-ers, so why not? :huh:
Why would I buy that over a Passat?
Quote from: Raza on August 30, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
Why would I buy that over a Passat?
You make idiotic choices in general, so I don't see why not. :devil:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 30, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
You make idiotic choices in general, so I don't see why not. :devil:
Coming from a hybrid owner, that doesn't mean much.
Quote from: Raza on August 30, 2007, 09:04:56 PM
Coming from a hybrid owner, that doesn't mean much.
:huh: At 1013km I JUST filled up my second tank of gas (45L tank), so I'm not complaining.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg554633#msg554633 date=1188529496
Coming from a hybrid owner, that doesn't mean much.
That depends on how you want to take it.
hybrids ftl.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on August 30, 2007, 09:19:48 PM
cars that don't run ftl
:rolleyes:
The explorer still runs. And I'll take one over a camry hybrid anyway
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg554633#msg554633 date=1188529496
Coming from a hybrid owner, that doesn't mean much.
He didn't pick it. It was forced on him remember?
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 31, 2007, 07:45:46 AM
He didn't pick it. It was forced on him remember?
Does that really matter for the sake of the joke?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg555263#msg555263 date=1188573760
Does that really matter for the sake of the joke?
Ummm. Maybe. I mean Trep doesn't make any decisions does he?
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 31, 2007, 09:25:24 AM
Ummm.? Maybe.? I mean Trep doesn't make any decisions does he?
He gets to decide whether he wants to make a thread about an imaginary car he bought :huh:
Quote from: M_power on August 31, 2007, 11:45:02 PM
He gets to decide whether he wants to make a thread about an imaginary car he bought :huh:
I thouht that was comopulsivwe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dDe39iqKIU
My money would go to a Mazdaspeed3. Actually, I would drive the GTI and the MS3 back to back to decide.
Damn.
The Honda guy in me says 'CIVIC 2.0SI VTI FERIO SEDAN'...
But honestly... the GTI has that wonderful motor, transmission, suspension, and super high quality interior. Not to mention it's about 18% less ugly.
Yaw would get the Civic Si sedan. But for Raza I'd say the GTI is the better choice. You will get bored with the Rabbit, the Si coupe is ugly and the MS3, while a good choice, just can't match the upscale feel or technological novelty of the GTI. The GTI wasn't Automobile mag's car of the year in '07 for nothing.
I'm really lost right now. I just don't know what I want. I was thinking about insurance on a CSi, and that's going to be ridiculous. The Rabbit is the only one that makes sense to buy, and it will be a car that will be good for mods. I can't really afford the GTI or the MS3, unless I go used. And used is a huge clusterfuck of options.
you have 11 months....I probably wouldnt be losing too much sleep over this.
Quote from: J86 on September 04, 2007, 06:31:05 PM
you have 11 months....I probably wouldnt be losing too much sleep over this.
11 months is not a long time. And it's more like 8-11 months.
I guess it depends on your POV. Nearly a year seems like a pretty long time to me, especially considering I seem to change cars every 18 months very unexpectedly.
That is a long time.
Get a BMW.
Quote from: J86 on September 04, 2007, 06:38:51 PM
I guess it depends on your POV. Nearly a year seems like a pretty long time to me, especially considering I seem to change cars every 18 months very unexpectedly.
I won't be doing that. Plus this car comes at a fairly bad time, just coming off graduation. I'll be keeping it for at least 5 years, most likely.
Quote from: NACar on September 04, 2007, 06:39:14 PM
That is a long time.
Get a BMW.
I'd consider a 128i, but it's most likely going to be even more expensive than the GTI, which is already out of my price range.
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
I'd consider a 128i, but it's most likely going to be even more expensive than the GTI, which is already out of my price range.
Get a SMRT... I mean a SMART! FORTWO!
Quote from: NACar on September 04, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
Get a SMRT... I mean a SMART! FORTWO!
I think having the weekend sports car be the more practical of the two is a little silly. How much are you selling the st33m for?
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 07:46:48 PM
I think having the weekend sports car be the more practical of the two is a little silly. How much are you selling the st33m for?
You can come pick it up for $2000.
A friend of mine back in Jersey is looking for a new car and came up with this:
Cars.com search result: E28 BMW M5 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;jsessionid=XES4XAAFG5KRLLAYIEZE2UY?tab=summary&paId=235821466&recnum=0&actLog=true&tracktype=usedcc&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-manual%7CE-ALL%7CM-_5_%7CB-15000%7CH-%7CD-_48_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-07030&aff=national)
Snap it up before he does.
15 grand for an E28 is not a good price. I'd rather have an E34, and I can get one for not much more. But, I don't know how reliable it would be.
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 08:22:12 PM
15 grand for an E28 is not a good price.
You realize there were only 1320 of those made, right?
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 04, 2007, 08:24:44 PM
You realize there were only 1320 of those made, right?
No, I did not know that.
But why pay for rarity when I won't enjoy it?
Hell, for 3-5 grand more, I could get an E38 M5. And it gets better gas mileage.
It's odd how the M5 prices have evened out over time. If only they got more than 19-21mpg...
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 08:33:50 PM
No, I did not know that.
But why pay for rarity when I won't enjoy it?
Well,
I would enjoy it...
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 04, 2007, 08:35:08 PM
Well, I would enjoy it...
If I could keep it pristine, I'd enjoy it as well. But 30 thousand miles a year on a car like that would run it into the ground, and I don't want to be responsible for that. A 1991 or 2001 M5 would be a better fit.
I see what you mean. You're right, you shouldn't have that car.
Test drive a Honda Fit. I bet you'd like something like that. Lower purchase price, use even less gas for your long commute, has super handling, and for goodness sakes you already have a Boxter you can drive whenever you feel like having some real fun.
I wonder if there are still waiting lists for them. :huh:
Quote from: NACar on September 04, 2007, 08:45:24 PM
Test drive a Honda Fit. I bet you'd like something like that. Lower purchase price, use even less gas for your long commute, has super handling, and for goodness sakes you already have a Boxter you can drive whenever you feel like having some real fun.
I wonder if there are still waiting lists for them. :huh:
This is going to sound strange coming from me, but they're just a little too slow to be merging in and out of highways everyday. I just don't think they're all that effective as highway cars. They get EPA 38, but I don't want to be flogging it all the time. Plus, for the same price, I could get a used EP Civic Si, which looks better and is faster.
The Fit is a good choice; perhaps great, but I just don't want it.
Also, I don't seem to find out if there is a sunroof available or not.
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 08:56:56 PM
This is going to sound strange coming from me, but they're just a little too slow to be merging in and out of highways everyday. I just don't think they're all that effective as highway cars. They get EPA 38, but I don't want to be flogging it all the time. Plus, for the same price, I could get a used EP Civic Si, which looks better and is faster.
The Fit is a good choice; perhaps the best, but I just don't want it.
That's not really a good excuse. If you just want more power, that's fine, but you don't need it. If a 30,000lb truck can merge on to the highway with 400hp, then a 2400lb Honda Fit can do it with 109 hp. Anyways, flogging a Fit can't be anything but fun, and I cant imagine it requiring a whole lot of effort. Plus the Fit has VTAK! I'm sure it doens't mind being revved, in fact I'm sure it enjoys it.
On the other hand, floggin the Esteem with 95hp sucks and is tiring because the engine does not make any top-end power and the synchros in the gearbox suck ass.
Passing on 2-lane rural highways uphill is just about the worst, but merging on the interstate is not exactly a chore, it cruises at 90mph just fine. Passing moves on the interstate only require a downshift to 4th, and a little bit of patience.
I say, if you want to be
lazy, you might as well stick with an automatic. :P
Quote from: Raza on September 04, 2007, 08:56:56 PM
The Fit is a good choice; perhaps great, but I just don't want it.
I used to not want a Focus. Seriously. I'd look at the thing and just think, "that is an ugly chick car". But then I drove a few, and then I bought one. :huh:
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10852.msg559741#msg559741 date=1188955630
I won't be doing that.? Plus this car comes at a fairly bad time, just coming off graduation.? I'll be keeping it for at least 5 years, most likely.
I'm just too cheap to spend money like that on a new daily grind car. I'd just slop around in couple thousand dollar beaters, keeping the Porsche for the fun stuff.
Quote from: NACar on September 04, 2007, 08:45:24 PM
Test drive a Honda Fit. I bet you'd like something like that. Lower purchase price, use even less gas for your long commute, has super handling, and for goodness sakes you already have a Boxter you can drive whenever you feel like having some real fun.
I wonder if there are still waiting lists for them. :huh:
:rolleyes:
Just go for the Suzuki Reno
Quote from: NACar on September 04, 2007, 09:14:17 PM
I used to not want a Focus. Seriously. I'd look at the thing and just think, "that is an ugly chick car". But then I drove a few, and then I bought one. :huh:
I don't want to go out on a limb buying a car that I might grow to like and have to be stuck with it for 5 years and not like it. The Rabbit is only a few grand more, still within my price range, and it has things like a sunroof, which is pretty essential for my enjoyment of a daily car. Hell, if I could, I'd find a four place convertible that fits my needs just so that I could conceivably have the top down every day of the week. I would drive the Fit, if it had that little glass panel; but unlike the MS3, it's not special enough for me to give it an allowance for that.
Quote from: J86 on September 05, 2007, 10:23:53 AM
I'm just too cheap to spend money like that on a new daily grind car. I'd just slop around in couple thousand dollar beaters, keeping the Porsche for the fun stuff.
I don't see the point of having the car you drive the majority of the time being a car you don't enjoy. If 90% of my driving isn't the least bit fun, I'd be miserable.
Quote from: Raza on September 05, 2007, 01:10:27 PM
I don't want to go out on a limb buying a car that I might grow to like and have to be stuck with it for 5 years and not like it. The Rabbit is only a few grand more, still within my price range, and it has things like a sunroof, which is pretty essential for my enjoyment of a daily car. Hell, if I could, I'd find a four place convertible that fits my needs just so that I could conceivably have the top down every day of the week. I would drive the Fit, if it had that little glass panel; but unlike the MS3, it's not special enough for me to give it an allowance for that.
It is not impossible to get an aftermarket sunroof installed.
Nevertheless, I think the Rabbit is a good choice, especially for the price.
Quote from: NACar on September 05, 2007, 08:13:11 PM
It is not impossible to get an aftermarket sunroof installed.
Nevertheless, I think the Rabbit is a good choice, especially for the price.
While that's true, I have a feeling that the Fit will always feel like a bronze medal compared to the Rabbit or the Civic Si.
Does anyone know about this sound system on the Civic Si sedan that's not available on the coupe? Is it worth it?
If you want to be cheap, the Fit is cheaper, even if you decide to get a sunroof installed (perhaps $1000), gets most excellent MPG, supposedly has great handling, and I think interior looks quite nice. I wouldn't not test drive one if I were you. Also, don't forget that the Fit got 1st place in C&D's comparison test, while the Suzuki Reno got 7th (even losing to the Caliper, OMG!). http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10983/2007-honda-fit-sport.html :praise:
I read that before. All I read was "Reno is teh awesome".
Get a Reno, then. It would be the ulitmate joke to play on yourself. :praise:
You there, Nicholas! Stop this Fit nonsense.
Quote from: omicron on September 06, 2007, 09:37:25 AM
You there, Nicholas! Stop this Fit nonsense.
+1
Reno > Fit. :lol:
Quote from: omicron on September 06, 2007, 09:37:25 AM
You there, Nicholas! Stop this Fit nonsense.
I would like to hear your suggestion, Mr. Cron. What should Raza purchase for his daily-driver, a 1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible? :rolleyes:
raza, even tho i says you should get fit, you has my permishin to has a volva c30.
Quote from: NACar on September 06, 2007, 09:42:37 AM
I would like to hear your suggestion, Mr. Cron. What should Raza purchase for his daily-driver, a 1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible? :rolleyes:
A Fit is for people with wordly goods, and children. Lest we wish children upon Raza, or, more importantly, lest we wish Raza upon children, we shall not recommend a Fit for his good self.
Quote from: omicron on September 06, 2007, 09:58:03 AM
A Fit is for people with wordly goods, and children. Lest we wish children upon Raza, or, more importantly, lest we wish Raza upon children, we shall not recommend a Fit for his good self.
But he seems to want a 5-seat vehicle with plenty of cargo space. The Fit is that. :huh:
Quote from: NACar on September 06, 2007, 10:00:19 AM
But he seems to want a 5-seat vehicle with plenty of cargo space. The Fit is that. :huh:
The Fit's main advantage is in seating flexibility - bits that fold here, there and everywhere. I'd wager that a 5-door Rabbit has sufficient cargo capacity to overcome its relatively basic seating configurations; the seats doing backflips I'm assuming Raza doesn't necessarily need. That, and the Rabbit's interior is more nicely designed and trimmed.
:nono:
'st33m > Fit > Reno > everything else
Quote from: NACar on September 06, 2007, 10:10:04 AM
:nono:
'st33m > Fit > Reno > everything else
Well, sweetiepie, unless you sell him your Baleno, there's no way he'll be able to experience the zenith of hyperspeed motoring, is there?
Quote from: NACar on September 06, 2007, 09:52:40 AM
raza, even tho i says you should get fit, you has my permishin to has a volva c30.
The Vulva C30 is going to be way too expensive.
Plus, it looks really jacked up stock, like a mini offroader. Very strange.
Quote from: Raza on September 06, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
The Vulva C30 is going to be way too expensive.
Plus, it looks really jacked up stock, like a mini offroader. Very strange.
Have you seen it in person? I think you would actually like it.
No, I just saw those pics.
Doesn't change the fact that I can't afford it, even if I do like it.
Quote from: Raza on September 07, 2007, 06:50:44 AM
No, I just saw those pics.
Doesn't change the fact that I can't afford it, even if I do like it.
Did you actually price one out? A C30 version 1.0 with power moonroof has a total MSRP of $24,645 (includes delivery).
Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2007, 01:06:58 PM
Did you actually price one out? A C30 version 1.0 with power moonroof has a total MSRP of $24,645 (includes delivery).
Even 24k is beginning to look like too much to feasibly handle for me. Plus, there are so many options, I wouldn't be able to control myself. Leather, cruise control, alarm, trip computer, cold weather package, dynamic chassis, bottle holder (come on!), six disc changer, premium sound, and it's 29K. All that stuff is easily available on cars like the MS3 and GTI for less.
What aboot a Sentra SE-R?
Quote from: Raghavan on September 08, 2007, 12:51:49 PM
What aboot a Sentra SE-R?
Too ugly. And considering my past experiences with Nissan, it's not going to be any good.
Plus, the Spec V with a sunroof and slippy diff is $22,995. The same price as the Civic Si almost. Easy choice.
Also, this is what C&D said about it: "The fun here is all add-on, and it hasn?t been added thickly enough."
What about Cobalt SS's?
Quote from: Raghavan on September 08, 2007, 01:14:12 PM
What about Cobalt SS's?
Possible, but unlikely. Also, that would be a used car, since it's no longer on sale. As much as I enjoyed the Cobalt SS/SC, I'm just not a fan of supercharging.
You should buy a used R32 instead. They can be had for about $23k. :rockon:
Quote from: Raghavan on September 08, 2007, 01:41:42 PM
You should buy a used R32 instead. They can be had for about $23k. :rockon:
Only 26mpg.
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2007, 01:42:51 PM
Only 26mpg.
Stop thinking of practical matters like fuel consumption rates.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 08, 2007, 02:00:33 PM
Stop thinking of practical matters like fuel consumption rates.
That's one of the main requirements.
I have a sports car. I need a fun car to drive daily, but it also have to be practical an economical. Otherwise I would buy a 968.
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
That's one of the main requirements.
I have a sports car. I need a fun car to drive daily, but it also have to be practical an economical. Otherwise I would buy a 968.
I know. I was kidding.
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
That's one of the main requirements.
I have a sports car. I need a fun car to drive daily, but it also have to be practical an economical. Otherwise I would buy a 968.
(http://i.treehugger.com/files/japan-car-honda-fit-jazz.jpg)
+(http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/8832_1_230.jpeg)
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2007, 02:08:58 PM
I don't want AWD.
It's practical and it looks awesome?
Quote from: Raghavan on September 08, 2007, 02:15:29 PM
It's practical and it looks awesome?
Yeah, but it's also AWD and under my gas mileage floor by a lot. I shouldn't even have included the MS3.
Dear god, Raz. Buy what you want. You know you're not going to listen to any of our suggestions anyway! ;)
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 08, 2007, 03:55:08 PM
Dear god, Raz. Buy what you want. You know you're not going to listen to any of our suggestions anyway! ;)
Problem is, I don't know what I want.
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2007, 07:10:31 PM
Problem is, I don't know what I want.
Bullshit. You know exactly what you want. You want a Porsche 968.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 09, 2007, 07:12:20 PM
Bullshit. You know exactly what you want. You want a Porsche 968.
Haha, yeah, I do. But I don't think I can afford to run one.
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2007, 07:10:31 PM
Problem is, I don't know what I want.
Then I'll tell you what you want. You want another Porsche. 944.
Quote from: NACar on September 09, 2007, 07:37:05 PM
Then I'll tell you what you want. You want another Porsche. 944.
Well, the 968 is newer, NA, and just as fast as the 944 Turbo.
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2007, 07:38:01 PM
Well, the 968 is newer, NA, and just as fast as the 944 Turbo.
But it's fugly. Do a 928 instead.
Quote from: NACar on September 09, 2007, 07:41:41 PM
But it's fugly. Do a 928 instead.
968 looks good! Not as good as the 944 though.
928s are too expensive. Cheapest one I've ever seen for sale was 45 grand.
For some reason, I was just about to suggest a Mini Cooper. Then I look up at my TV, and what movie just happens to be on? The Italian Job. I must have subconsciously recognized the exhaust note or some thing. :lol:
Quote from: NACar on September 09, 2007, 07:45:43 PM
For some reason, I was just about to suggest a Mini Cooper. Then I look up at my TV, and what movie just happens to be on? The Italian Job. I must have subconsciously recognized the exhaust note or some thing. :lol:
Now we're on to used cars! That's for another thread. And I don't want an R56.
Suzuki Samurai.
06 350z's could be had for around your budget I'd expect. What do you think of those?
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2007, 07:54:11 PM
Yes!
They are fun to drive. There's nothing like catching air over the everyday frost heave while you're just trying to keep up with traffic.
Quote from: Minpin on September 09, 2007, 07:57:03 PM
06 350z's could be had for around your budget I'd expect. What do you think of those?
"they're too quite and boring to drive"
Quote from: JYODER240 on September 09, 2007, 08:02:19 PM
"they're too quite and boring to drive"
I'm assuming that's raza's opinion?
He doesn't know what he's talking about then. I love the 350z. :huh:
Quote from: Minpin on September 09, 2007, 07:57:03 PM
06 350z's could be had for around your budget I'd expect. What do you think of those?
I think they're terrible cars and I'd be happy to never drive one again.
Quote from: NACar on September 09, 2007, 07:57:35 PM
They are fun to drive. There's nothing like catching air over the everyday frost heave while you're just trying to keep up with traffic.
I bet they are, but it's not exactly my type of vehicle. I don't do offroading at all.
Quote from: Minpin on September 09, 2007, 08:05:06 PM
I'm assuming that's raza's opinion?
He doesn't know what he's talking about then. I love the 350z. :huh:
My standards are obviously higher than yours.
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2007, 08:10:13 PM
I think they're terrible cars and I'd be happy to never drive one again.
:huh: The one word that comes to mind is snob.
Quote from: Minpin on September 09, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
:huh: The one word that comes to mind is snob.
Oh yeah. Raza, how about a Saab 9-3 Aero?
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 09, 2007, 08:15:47 PM
Oh yeah. Raza, how about a Saab 9-3 Aero?
I love them, but all the Saab Link guys tell me that I shouldn't get one. And I can't afford a new one.
Quote from: Minpin on September 09, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
:huh: The one word that comes to mind is snob.
Nope. Sure, I'm a snob, but when it comes to the 350Z, I really wanted to love it. They look great, and on paper they have wonderful specs. But driving a coupe is a lot like driving a Maxima, except the clutch is worse.
When you really, really, push it; when you drive at the limit (preferably in a convertible version), it wakes up and feels fantastic. But it never feels special otherwise.
^^^Obviously I couldn't disagree more.
I never got to drive a 350Z, but I felt special when I rode in one.
Quote from: JYODER240 on September 09, 2007, 08:27:17 PM
^^^Obviously I couldn't disagree more.
Differences make the world what it is. Were the whole world like I, it would be a very boring and angry place.
Don't get a Fit. It's a class below the other cars you are looking at.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 09, 2007, 08:15:47 PM
Oh yeah. Raza, how about a Saab 9-3 Aero?
I'd have a hard time buying a new Aero knowing this new XWD is coming out and could be amazing.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 10, 2007, 04:47:15 AM
Don't get a Fit. It's a class below the other cars you are looking at.
I thought about it, considering how highly it's been reviewed. However, without a sunroof, it's not special enough for me to excuse it.
Honestly, I would take a look at the new Astra (as suggested farther up), but of those listed it would be the Mazdaspeed 3. It appeals to me the most. Good looks, functional, good power/torque, and good bang for the buck.
The only Astra I'd want is going to cost as much as the Rabbit. That's an easy choice.
Mazda 6s 5-door. Good fuel economy, involving, roomy, relatively powerful, can order a sunroof.
Not exactly on your list, but just a suggestion.
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on September 10, 2007, 12:23:33 PM
Mazda 6s 5-door. Good fuel economy, involving, roomy, relatively powerful, can order a sunroof.
Not exactly on your list, but just a suggestion.
27mpg is less than the MS3. I thought about it before, but I'd have a hard time choosing one over another B5 Passat.
Cobalt SSSSSSSUperch4rged!
951.
The fit is frugal, and albit slow, is fun for what it is.
What about an A3?
9-3?
9-2x?
New Impreza?
SX4?
Quote from: 2o6 on November 03, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
The fit is frugal, and albit slow, is fun for what it is.
What about an A3?
9-3?
9-2x?
New Impreza?
SX4?
Why would I buy the A3? The 2.0T is just a GTI. I'd rather have the GTI. Can't afford a new 9-3, they don't sell the 9-2X (doesn't get good enough gas mileage anyway), wouldn't touch the new Subaru Dented Corolla Lookalike, can't afford it, doesn't get good enough gas mileage as a WRX, standard model's nothing special compared to anything else, don't like it as much as the Rabbit, isn't as practical, and the SX4, you must be joking? Similar price to the Rabbit, nearly 30bhp less, and there are no advantages to buying over a Rabbit.
Vibe GT? 180 HP....
how about something like this (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=232588641&dealer_id=1001476&car_year=2006&model=&num_records=25&systime=1194138105437&make2=&start_year=2006&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=&make=AUDI&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=19101&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=26000&cardist=50)
Quote from: 2o6 on November 03, 2007, 07:03:03 PM
Vibe GT? 180 HP....
The first ones had 180hp, but then Toyota realized it wasn't being lame enough, and lowered it to like 150 or something stupid.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 03, 2007, 07:03:03 PM
Vibe GT? 180 HP....
Explain the advantages of the Vibe over a Rabbit. I have no idea how it will stand up, if it's identical to a Matrix than it probably doesn't drive so well, and it's more expensive than the Rabbit similarly optioned.
Quote from: Raza on November 03, 2007, 07:06:29 PM
Explain the advantages of the Vibe over a Rabbit. I have no idea how it will stand up, if it's identical to a Matrix than it probably doesn't drive so well, and it's more expensive than the Rabbit similarly optioned.
MPG's.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 03, 2007, 07:07:35 PM
MPG's.
I'm not going to be miserable to save $10 a month. A Mini would get the same or better MPG but would actually be fun.
Besides the only Vibe on Pontiac's website is more expensive than the Rabbit and makes 126bhp.
Here's what C&D had to say about the Vibe:
"Even with the standard 130-hp engine, the path gets snaky under full power. There are no smiles in this car as it's equipped (it could have had the same 180-hp engine as the Matrix, and more tenacious tires)."
"In concept, this is a Corolla with a high roof." (Doesn't bode well)
They don't even talk about handling or driver enjoyment.
Eh. The MINI seems to be the prime choice, even if it isn't a cooperS.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 03, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
Eh. The MINI seems to be the prime choice, even if it isn't a cooperS.
I don't like the R56.
does it have to be new? the 2006 quattro I posted is similarly priced, has a better warranty, and will depreciate less than a new GTI.
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 03, 2007, 07:27:14 PM
does it have to be new? the 2006 quattro I posted is similarly priced, has a better warranty, and will depreciate less than a new GTI.
This thread is specifically about new cars that I might be able to afford (and honestly, I can't afford the GTI or MS3, really). Used cars are such a quagmire it's best not to bother with it for now.
You really need the Golf GT to be sold there. Are there any plans for a US launch?
Quote from: omicron on November 04, 2007, 04:48:36 AM
You really need the Golf GT to be sold there. Are there any plans for a US launch?
I doubt it. Most Americans would complain about the 1.4 being too small.
What you need, Raza, is a Corolla XRS. :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 04, 2007, 02:11:53 PM
What you need, Raza, is a Corolla XRS. :lol:
They don't sell it anymore.
Quote from: Raza on November 04, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
They don't sell it anymore.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Toyota-Corolla_Sedan_2009_photo_01.jpg)
:huh:
Toyota's website doesn't list it.
Quote from: Raza on November 04, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
Toyota's website doesn't list it.
It will in a few weeks.
Oh my, is that a Camry XRS!? :wtf:
Why is it so ugly?
yeah, that's what I meant. Just typed Camry for some reason.
Is Toyota trying to see how ugly and bland they can make cars until they stop selling as many? I bet the bosses in Japan just laugh and say "Stupid Americans" to each other as frequently as they say Konichiwa. Maybe they utter them in the same sentence as they see each other for morning coffee breaks...
Maybe they drink so much sake that they just don't care, or the have sake keg stands in the office before going off to design new cars. But damn, all the new Toyotas, sans the FJ, are downright fugly.
It looks like the front end looks like it was filled up with helium.
Maybe Toyota's afraid that some passion would help slow down sales. That's why we get these fugboxes instead of the Aurion and other cooler cars. Hell, they even had a shot to make the Matrix cool-looking, but they failed at that, too.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 04, 2007, 05:08:27 PM
Maybe Toyota's afraid that some passion would help slow down sales. That's why we get these fugboxes instead of the Aurion and other cooler cars. Hell, they even had a shot to make the Matrix cool-looking, but they failed at that, too.
Is the Aurion really
that much cooler than the Camry? I certainly wouldn't consider it cool, sans the TRD version, which is alright.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 04, 2007, 07:10:24 PM
Is the Aurion really that much cooler than the Camry? I certainly wouldn't consider it cool, sans the TRD version, which is alright.
No, it really isn't. The bits of the car you see from behind the wheel are the same as you see when driving a Camry.
Then again, a base Commodore Omega or Falcon XT is fairly bland, too.
Quote from: omicron on November 04, 2007, 09:08:59 PM
No, it really isn't. The bits of the car you see from behind the wheel are the same as you see when driving a Camry.
Exactly.
Your sig is huge Teuton.
Although not as bad as CALL_911's, which lags my computer every time it is on the screen.
Wouldn't be so bad except he is every other post in every thread!
I dont udnerstand why more people dont block sigs...
I like being able to scroll down (quickly) a long page of posts to look for a certain sig of a person.
Quote from: J86 on November 05, 2007, 07:25:34 AM
I dont udnerstand why more people dont block sigs...
I like being able to find my last post quickly. It makes it easier to find people's replies. I just open a page, start the scroll on my touchpad, and stop it when I see the white Jag. My username is too easy to miss.
Quote from: J86 on November 05, 2007, 07:25:34 AM
I dont udnerstand why more people dont block sigs...
Part of the experience.
That's what the avatar and all the shit under their name is for...
I hate clutter