Not a painstakingly re$tored '32 Ford that is afraid of a going outdoors with the slightest chance of rain.
Not a brand new Mustang GT350 with the same fear, but also doing anything that may void the factory warranty.
Not a Miata, even though it has no fears.
I'm talking about today, where has the original spirit of the hot rod gone? Not so long ago, kids were ricing out Honda Civics, and all those other Jap cars with turbos and stuff. Today, I don't see much of that. I see more jacked-up 4x4 pickups than anything. Lame.
Hot rods used to be just whatever car, stripped of weight, with a big motor stuffed in it.
For a modern hot rod, I would like to add handling to straightline speed. So no buckets with four wheel drum brakes and bicycle tires on the front.
If I had to choose something common, cheap, easy to work on, with great potential for all around performance ...
I still might pick a Honda Civic, but pre-2001 for the best suspension and motor swaps. It is very easy and cheap to build something that can handle like a race car, and make some serious power.
I could also pick the SN95 Mustang. Despite being a pile of shit, it is a cheap, RWD, muscley car. On that note, I would choose the 1999+ 3.8 V6 and rebuild it with a 4.2 crank and a few things, which can easily match or exceed the output of the 4.6 V8, all with less weight and better serviceability. Pooprod V6 > OHC V8.
The VW 1.8T seems to be getting cheap, although engine parts are not ... maybe the older VR6 is a better choice, or maybe not.
There is always the Camry V6, or I could simply cut my balls off.
What you say?
You may have liked the 74 Jensen Healy that was in the local CL. It could have been a fun and unique and fast handling ride. And it already had a 3.8 V6! :muffin:
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An old junk-bucket Mustang with a Windsor 5.0. Cheap and easy with a plethora of affordable power options; otherwise, rat-rod where you can express your individual creativity. Scrap yard all the way.
gen IV F-body D'UH
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Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 01:27:42 AM
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Lombax!
Ford ZX2 with SVT drivetrain ...
EK civic comes close, with the SS Cobalt/HHR and SRT4 also being up there.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 01:27:42 AM
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Oh hell no.
Punks are spending their budget stancing their cars and generally fucking them up.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 21, 2016, 03:42:00 PM
Punks are spending their budget stancing their cars and generally fucking them up.
Fuck.
I figured this out a while ago - old school hot rods were cool because they were generally faster than any other car on the road. There was good motivation for tinkering with your car, the results were obvious. These days, the bar has been risen to an incredibly high level, it simply takes a lot more effort and money to hot rod a car into the fastest thing in town. Stancing is a cake walk by comparison. There are still lots of guys who build their Evo's and STI's into 450 hp rockets, but even then they aren't the fastest car and thus don't garner the same respect. They'll still get beaten by a Porsche or Corvette.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
Oh hell no.
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Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 21, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
I figured this out a while ago - old school hot rods were cool because they were generally faster than any other car on the road. There was good motivation for tinkering with your car, the results were obvious. These days, the bar has been risen to an incredibly high level, it simply takes a lot more effort and money to hot rod a car into the fastest thing in town. Stancing is a cake walk by comparison. There are still lots of guys who build their Evo's and STI's into 450 hp rockets, but even then they aren't the fastest car and thus don't garner the same respect. They'll still get beaten by a Porsche or Corvette.
Yeah, pretty much. I'm saying today's hot rod should be balanced more towards handling than straight line speed.
I had 70 HP Civic on crummy street tires that beat Corvettes and everything else around the autocross. It may not be as overtly cool as going fast straight. It might not look fast. But go for a ride and try not to smile/barf.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
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Nice taxi.
I guess I'm missing the target/idea here. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 04:22:41 PM
I guess I'm missing the target/idea here. :lol:
I have no idea
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
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I really loved the idea when I heard they were going to make that.
But then, they made it.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 06:19:41 PM
I really loved the idea when I heard they were going to make that.
But then, they made it.
But they only made like 12,000!
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 21, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
But they only made like 12,000!
That makes it rare, not desirable. Lots of rare cars out there that nobody gives a shit about.
(But OK, yeah, I'd buy a Marauder)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 06:19:41 PM
I really loved the idea when I heard they were going to make that.
But then, they made it.
It was just a Crown Vic with a better intake, a mean sounding exhaust, and blingy wheels, right?
Quote from: Laconian on October 21, 2016, 06:39:17 PM
It was just a Crown Vic with a better intake, a mean sounding exhaust, and blingy wheels, right?
Also the DOHC mill from the Mustang Mach 1.
The concept car used a supercharged version.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 06:19:41 PM
I really loved the idea when I heard they were going to make that.
But then, they made it.
LOL
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 06:22:14 PM
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I'm listening ...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
Also the DOHC mill from the Mustang Mach 1.
The concept car used a supercharged version.
Wasn't the concept also a full-size convertible?
The best Ford concept vehicle was the Splash
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Which later became a pointless Ranger trim.
Quote from: MX793 on October 21, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
Wasn't the concept also a full-size convertible?
Well yeah, but nobody really believed they would make That. At least I didn't, but the engine seemed plausible.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 07:32:39 PM
LOL
I'm listening ...
http://www.fourwheeler.com/features/1504-1990-ford-crown-victoria-trophy-ltd/
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
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LQ9 V8? Blasphlemy!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 07:53:15 PM
LQ9 V8? Blasphlemy!
Yeah, didn't see the point of that really. A 351 out of a Bronco or pickup would be just as cheap, and easier to put in.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 07:57:19 PM
Yeah, didn't see the point of that really. A 351 out of a Bronco or pickup would be just as cheap, and easier to put in.
And is an easy 400++ HP with not much work.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 08:00:30 PM
And is an easy 400++ HP with not much work.
Well, his car you know?
Anyways, I like this idea. It's stupid as fuck, but I like it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 08:03:20 PM
Well, his car you know?
Anyways, I like this idea. It's stupid as fuck, but I like it.
It's a hell of a lot better than all of the other lifted Crown Vics I see. Dubs. I can't facepalm hard enough without giving myself two black eyes. Nothing, you already told her twice.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
It's a hell of a lot better than all of the other lifted Crown Vics I see. Dubs. I can't facepalm hard enough without giving myself two black eyes. Nothing, you already told her twice.
See, this is my thought process.
Get a Grand Marquis for winter. They're cheaper than CVs and usually in decent shape. Many of the parts can be used in the Wagon. Slowly turn the winter car into a semi-stripped BattleCar on 33" mudders. Detroit locker, lower gears, gnarly bumpers. Hell, pull the trunk lid off and herculiner the trunk. That basically makes it a shortbed pickup, right?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
See, this is my thought process.
Get a Grand Marquis for winter. They're cheaper than CVs and usually in decent shape. Many of the parts can be used in the Wagon. Slowly turn the winter car into a semi-stripped BattleCar on 33" mudders. Detroit locker, lower gears, gnarly bumpers. Hell, pull the trunk lid off and herculiner the trunk. That basically makes it a shortbed pickup, right?
Do you still have that station wagon? Boom.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
Do you still have that station wagon? Boom.
Yeah. Still going strong, still in pretty decent shape.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 08:22:53 PM
Yeah. Still going strong, still in pretty decent shape.
Think about the benefits of 33" all-terrain tires, a locking differential, and long tube headers.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
Think about the benefits of 33" all-terrain tires, a locking differential, and long tube headers.
I am, but not on the wagon. It's a nice ride, and I'd like to keep it that way. It does need some taking care of though, and some small hard to find parts.
If I get a pre '92 Grand Marquis, it'll come with most of those parts, and I can have one nice car and one stupid bit fun car for not a lot of dough.
I sold the plow truck a couple months ago, and when I sell the plow that didn't leave with it, I'll have enough money to be stupid with that I don't have to account for.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2016, 08:40:54 PM
I am, but not on the wagon. It's a nice ride, and I'd like to keep it that way. It does need some taking care of though, and some small hard to find parts.
If I get a pre '92 Grand Marquis, it'll come with most of those parts, and I can have one nice car and one stupid bit fun car for not a lot of dough.
I sold the plow truck a couple months ago, and when I sell the plow that didn't leave with it, I'll have enough money to be stupid with that I don't have to account for.
Indeed. Consider a SHO Taurus with a lift kit and a second SHO drivetrIain in the back for 4WD.