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So someone dragyed the new Model 3 Performance, 11.09 in the 1/4 mile and 122.99mph  so pretty much on identical with the new Ioniq 5 N, which costs about 13K more, and 20 grand more with incentives.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60607212/2025-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-test/

Also just a tick behind a M3 Comp Xdrive for both ET and trap speed which stickers for about 2x more well equip.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a43389602/2023-bmw-m3-competition-xdrive-edition-50-jahre-by-the-numbers/

I see they couldn't be bothered to take 4 minutes to vacuum the floor a bit for pictures.

hahahahahahaha

WANT. I'd get it if we weren't paying house down

https://augusta.craigslist.org/cto/d/grovetown-2011-nissan-murano-cross/7749536881.html

I would think that the use of the revenue received from tariffs would be a determining factor as to whether it could be considered good or bad.  If the tariffs received from cars made in China, for example, were used towards building better roads rather than given to corporations or tax reductions for the wealthy, then it may be considered in a positive light.

I don't think tariffs, quotas, and minimum prices can be summarily considered bad or good. It's very industry and country specific. The global average tariff on agricultural products, for example, is 62%.

Google the U.S. tariffs, allowable foreign import quotas, and govt set minimum prices on tobacco, meats, dairy, and sugar.

Just as an example on sugar:

 https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/sugar-and-sweeteners/policy/#:~:text=The%20out%2Dof%2Dquota%20tariff,quantity%20of%20the%20imported%20sugar.

Quote from: GoCougs on May 23, 2024, 09:02:47 PMSure the UAW killed the domestic car - margins were slim to none because the labor costs were too high. Same is happening with EVs. Trucks and SUVs afford ginormous margins because MERICA.

Margins on cars were positive.  Selling $80k trucks was more positive.  They killed cars not because of losing money, but trying to rape the public into submission on higher cost trucks/SUVs.

Pure business decision regardless of unions.

Quote from: r0tor on May 21, 2024, 01:16:37 PMUnions, or the management of the Big 3?  Unions didn't end production of all passenger cars outside of the Mustang at Ford.

Sure the UAW killed the domestic car - margins were slim to none because the labor costs were too high. Same is happening with EVs. Trucks and SUVs afford ginormous margins because MERICA.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 23, 2024, 09:29:04 AMOkay, you have a picture of a completely unrelated thing. Where's the evidence of EV batteries being buried?

No, batteries aren't buried, silly!

The point is, there's always a cost, and the theory of entropy, the environmental toll of WtP owing and driving cars will be about the same, no matter how it's done.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 23, 2024, 01:44:49 PMYup. You don't drill for electricity then pump it into tankers and burn massive quantities of heavy fuel oil to bring it to terminals. And then refine it. Then put it into stinky diesel trucks to take it to the gas stations.

I think eventually the grid will look different: more nukes, more wind, more solar, more storage.

I guess hydropower, wind farms, and solar panels just sprout out of the ground then, huh?  No mining or pollution or anything involved with producing the electricity involved with EVs.

Kemmerer, Wyoming has been the site of tons of coal mining. (Did y'all know Wyoming is the nation's biggest coal exporter?)

But they are going to start construction of the new mini nuclear power plant prototype there soon.