"... a shortened, two-row Pilot. Being atop the same platform that underpins the Ridgeline pickup, the Passport is definitely made to be more rugged than the made-for-PTA CR-V."
http://www.thedrive.com/news/25174/2019-honda-passport-the-pilot-gets-a-more-rugged-little-brother
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/11/27/PDTF/35f7034e-2ad9-4431-861e-2ba99deb5536-2019-Honda-Passport-13.jpg?width=520&height=390&fit=bounds&auto=webp)
Aztek designers much be proud of the black plastic
Yes, it would be good to see one without the cladding.
But I think it will do well: a more elbow room than the CR-V, but without the minivan/family-bus ambiance of the Pilot. It's off-road specs look reasonable too.
Does it have off-road specs? It's just s Pilot with a lift and I don't recall those things being anything special.
Quote from: Xer0 on November 30, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
Does it have off-road specs? It's just s Pilot with a lift and I don't recall those things being anything special.
Well, reading more... nothing special but a bit more than most AWD setups: a bit of reinforcement, AWDs are lifted 1.1" & they do the VTM4 traction management (torque vectoring to the rear & from one side to the other.)
Bland styling by current Honda standards. As long as it has a 4WD lock button, it should do fine on the Rubicon.
CVT?
I hate "off road drive modes" when all you want is 4WD lock and diff locks.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 30, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
CVT?
10 spd auto IIRC, I think its Honda's own transmission design and not the 9spd ZF that no one seems to like.
Quote from: Xer0 on November 30, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
10 spd auto IIRC, I think its Honda's own transmission design and not the 9spd ZF that no one seems to like.
This is using the 9-speed. Looks like the 10-speed is just in the Odyssey and Accord? I think it's FWD only right now.
So ugly. Was hoping for something more in the vein of the Venza or even the Murano
This car clearly didn't cost many development dollars. It shares the same doors and headlight/taillight shapes of the Pilot. The "altered" front fascia prolly directly swaps to the pilot and ridgeline.
Wish they would have done more of an Edge vs Explorer treatment; bend some sheet metal!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 30, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
I hate "off road drive modes" when all you want is 4WD lock and diff locks.
Those "push here to go off road!" buttons give people a lot of confidence. :lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 30, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
I hate "off road drive modes" when all you want is 4WD lock and diff locks.
Locked diffs put a lot of potential strain on a lot of things; each wheel has be able to take 100% of low gear torque, or things start to break. Plus, manufacturers probably don't trust people to know when to unlock them.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 30, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Those "push here to go off road!" buttons give people a lot of confidence. :lol:
Press here to initiate pairing process between mud and with your transportation appliance.
Quote from: Laconian on November 30, 2018, 12:25:29 PM
Press here to initiate pairing process between mud and with your transportation appliance.
The lack of knowledge even some people around here have about what to do offroad is frightening.
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2018, 10:51:35 AM
This is using the 9-speed. Looks like the 10-speed is just in the Odyssey and Accord? I think it's FWD only right now.
Ah, thats a bummer. Didn't care for that transmission in my cousins V6 TLX and I don't think I've read much positive of it in other applications.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 30, 2018, 12:23:30 PM
Locked diffs put a lot of potential strain on a lot of things; each wheel has be able to take 100% of low gear torque, or things start to break. Plus, manufacturers probably don't trust people to know when to unlock them.
Tell that to my K1500 with the rear mini-spool that just ripped the actual metal bracket of the motor mount.
And don't ask me exactly how a mini-spool rips a motor mount. All I know is it happened.
Quote from: Xer0 on November 30, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Ah, thats a bummer. Didn't care for that transmission in my cousins V6 TLX and I don't think I've read much positive of it in other applications.
Yeah, I haven't heard good things about the 9-speed. In the TLX though, does it have that funky computer controlled clutch or a conventional torque converter?
I've been really pleased with the 10-speed in the Accord. Autos have come a long way.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 30, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
Tell that to my K1500 with the rear mini-spool that just ripped the actual metal bracket of the motor mount.
That kinda proves my point. Weird, but it does.
Quote from: Xer0 on November 30, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
10 spd auto IIRC, I think its Honda's own transmission design and not the 9spd ZF that no one seems to like.
10 spd auto would be good. ZF-9 is what's in my Discovery. It seems those with problems, Fiat/Chrysler, it's down to the software or bad engine/software combinations. Works great with the 2.0 L twin spool turbo in my car.
Is that the same 9-speed that Jeep uses? If so, did they ever fix all the reliability issues with it?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 30, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
Is that the same 9-speed that Jeep uses? If so, did they ever fix all the reliability issues with it?
ZF-9 Speed Transmission Problems Continue to Plague Jeep, Fiat, Land Rover, Honda, and Acura Drivers. ... Drivers with the defective ZF 9-speed transmission are complaining about hard or odd shifting points, sudden shut downs and a sluggish accelerating reactionGotta be software. Mine is perfect.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 30, 2018, 02:56:55 PM
ZF-9 Speed Transmission Problems Continue to Plague Jeep, Fiat, Land Rover, Honda, and Acura Drivers. ... Drivers with the defective ZF 9-speed transmission are complaining about hard or odd shifting points, sudden shut downs and a sluggish accelerating reaction
Gotta be software. Mine is perfect.
You probably just got lucky. I'm sure you can find individuals from all of those manufacturers that haven't had any problems.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 30, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
You probably just got lucky. I'm sure you can find individuals from all of those manufacturers that haven't had any problems.
I did read an article a while ago that pointed to the software. Needs fine tuning for different engines.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 30, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
I hate "off road drive modes" when all you want is 4WD lock and diff locks.
It has clutches not diffs
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 30, 2018, 12:23:30 PM
Locked diffs put a lot of potential strain on a lot of things; each wheel has be able to take 100% of low gear torque, or things start to break. Plus, manufacturers probably don't trust people to know when to unlock them.
"Why didn't my super off roader take that sharp corner at 40MPH!?"
Auto Showdown: 2019 Honda Passport vs. 2019 Chevrolet Blazer (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/autossuvs/auto-showdown-2019-honda-passport-vs-2019-chevrolet-blazer/ar-BBQhwVB?ocid=spartandhp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNH24qCM/BBQgz3b.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKdQZRQK/BBQaFXe.jpg)
The Blazer looks MUCH better, imo.
Quote from: r0tor on November 30, 2018, 03:10:56 PM
It has clutches not diffs
So it has no differentials. Okay then.
LOL I'm sure there's a reason Subaru doesn't sell "NEVER USE 4WD ON PAVED SURFACES" vehicles anymore.
It's that extra shifter on the floor. Says "FWD <> 4WD" and you didn't even have to push the clutch in to engage 4WD!!! (usually had to complete stop and push clutch to take it back out of 4wd)
http://hooniverse.com/2014/08/24/weekend-edition-quick-hit-the-nicest-1978-subaru-gl1600-station-wagon-you-will-ever-see/
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 30, 2018, 05:07:08 PM
The Blazer looks MUCH better, imo.
Wannabe speed racer vs wannabe offroader :huh:
Quote from: r0tor on December 01, 2018, 09:27:15 AM
Wannabe speed racer vs wannabe offroader :huh:
...or a wannabe F Pace.
I like the Passport. Rear end looks nice.