I'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

I wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Quote from: MrH on April 29, 2024, 09:19:36 AMIoniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Probably depends on the dealership. Sounds like the Hyundai/Kia dealerships haven't moved up market as quickly as their cars have.

Oooof.  I could send you a laundry list of horror stories getting warranty work done, getting murdered on fees when you turn it back in, etc.  But it sounds like you already made your mind up.  Sad.

Ioniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Damning report from NHTSA.  The knots you guys are tying yourselves into to say it's a nothing is wild to watch.

I did not verify it, but read on an F1 board that Adrian Newey's wife posted a quote from him from years ago on her Instagram about how he would love to work for Ferrari, and she posted "Now is your chance" underneath.


It sounds like even though Christian Horner has not been charged with anything, much less convicted, that Max Verstappen, Adrian Newey, and Helmut Marko essentially consider him to be a sex offender and do not want to work with him anymore. Makes one wonder how secure the Ford partnership from 2026 onwards is.


Makes one question the UK legal system considering the woman ended up being fired.

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I like loud cars, but not in my neighbourhood.

My brother was recently in this predicament. They have a CX-5 with two kids. Way too small, especially as they get older and everything they need to carry for weekend/week-long trips gets bigger.

Brother absolutely refuses to get a van. So they have decided on a Grand Highlander...which I did not know existed, but I guess it's a Highlander with some more room.

Brother is a "car guy," but also not because he's the stereotypical "fuck minivans" that doesn't accept the utility over the "image." Also, if he was a car guy, he wouldn't have let his CX-5 turn into what his wife calls "the mouse trap"...because they literally never clean the thing and have had mice inside it multiple times munching on all the bullshit the kids leave behind.