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2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta: Hot Lapping & Testing The Italian Super Tourer! - Ignition Ep. 85 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmTgLFGdRo#)
:wub: That fuckin sound track....
As awesome as the 458 Speciale might end up being, it's hard to take that over the sound of a V12.
They used the word compromise a bit to much for what is Ferrari's flagship until the La Ferrari hits the stores.
I mean it is like a 3800lb 2 seat car
But it's got a 700 HP V12 and can be driven over long distances so it's all good.
They weighed it at over 4000lbs
:winkguy:
Shelby GT500 was just 0.6 seconds slower and the Viper and Corvette annihilate it. It's not that impressive to be honest.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 12:38:49 PM
Shelby GT500 was just 0.6 seconds slower and the Viper and Corvette annihilate it. It's not that impressive to be honest.
0-60 is irrelevant. This thing is traction limited. It traps a good 4-5 MPH higher than either while not having that much more power. From a roll I am sure this would put all 3 of those cars in their respective places.
Who gives a shit though. Did you watch the video on mute???
This has made me want to hear an Laferrari even more.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 24, 2013, 01:10:37 PM
0-60 is irrelevant. This thing is traction limited. It traps a good 4-5 MPH higher than either while not having that much more power. From a roll I am sure this would put all 3 of those cars in their respective places.
Who gives a shit though. Did you watch the video on mute???
I wasn't talking about 0-60. I was talking about the lap time it set around Laguna Seca. It barely outlapped the GT500 by just 0.6 seconds. A Mustang. The Corvette and Viper absolutely annihilate it around the track by 5 seconds a lap.
As for the noise, it was nice, but the Ferrari V8 sounds better.
I quite liked the piece on the early 90s 240SX that was linked at the end of the video. Brought back fond memories.
The Ferrari bit was good too.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 02:06:59 PM
I wasn't talking about 0-60. I was talking about the lap time it set around Laguna Seca. It barely outlapped the GT500 by just 0.6 seconds. A Mustang. The Corvette and Viper absolutely annihilate it around the track by 5 seconds a lap.
As for the noise, it was nice, but the Ferrari V8 sounds better.
Were all cars being piloted by the same driver? Were they all wearing comparable tires?
In the hands of Ferrari's test drivers, this thing laps whole seconds faster around Ferrari's Fiorano test circuit than the 599 GTO, the Enzo, the 458, and the 430 Scuderia.
Quote from: MX793 on September 24, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
Were all cars being piloted by the same driver? Were they all wearing comparable tires?
In the hands of Ferrari's test drivers, this thing laps whole seconds faster around Ferrari's Fiorano test circuit than the 599 GTO, the Enzo, the 458, and the 430 Scuderia.
Same driver and same track. Comparable tires is a bullshit excuse when they run the cars with the tires they come with from the factory.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Same driver and same track. Comparable tires is a bullshit excuse when they run the cars with the tires they come with from the factory.
I didn't know whose times you were quoting.
Bear in mind the F12 is a touring car (a mind-numbingly powerful one), not a full blown sports/race car like the Viper or even Corvette. The suspension is softer, the handling not as crisp, and it's more comfortable. Leagues more comfortable than the Viper, I'll wager. Likely much more comfortable than a Z06 or ZR1 Vette as well.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Same driver and same track. Comparable tires is a bullshit excuse when they run the cars with the tires they come with from the factory.
I mean, this thing has like 50 more HP and weighs like 700lbs more. Not sure what you were expecting.
Plus different tracks favor different cars. Laguna Seca is like a damn go kart track for these cars, so nimbleness wins over everything else. I'll bet on the almighty Ring it would be a lot closer or even reversed results wise.
But again, watch the vid w/sound
Quote from: MX793 on September 24, 2013, 03:28:10 PM
I didn't know whose times you were quoting.
Bear in mind the F12 is a touring car (a mind-numbingly powerful one), not a full blown sports/race car like the Viper or even Corvette. The suspension is softer, the handling not as crisp, and it's more comfortable. Leagues more comfortable than the Viper, I'll wager. Likely much more comfortable than a Z06 or ZR1 Vette as well.
A live axle GT500 is within just a hair over half a second of it.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 05:36:19 PM
A live axle GT500 is within just a hair over half a second of it.
Live axle isn't a hindrance on a nice, smooth race surface.
Still. This car fails to impress when a car that costs a fraction of the price with less than optimal suspension setup and a 9 year old chassis can come within a whisker of it around a race track.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Still. This car fails to impress when a car that costs a fraction of the price with less than optimal suspension setup and a 9 year old chassis can come within a whisker of it around a race track.
You'd have a point is a fast lap time around a go kart track was the explicit primary objective of this car
Are you trying to revenge troll me?
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Quote from: SVT666 on September 24, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Still. This car fails to impress when a car that costs a fraction of the price with less than optimal suspension setup and a 9 year old chassis can come within a whisker of it around a race track.
It's a Ferrari, it's not expensive because you're necessarily getting "more" than other cars. It's expensive because it's exclusive and it's a Ferrari. They aren't marketed or bought because they are a "good value" in any sense of the word. The GT500 is probably faster around Laguna than an Aston Vanquish. Any number of cheaper, older cars will smoke a Continental GT around a racetrack at a fraction of the price. What's your point? It's a touring car, it's not built for lap times.
And I'd wager Ford spent a fair bit of time tuning the GT500 at Laguna, as they did with the Boss 302.
I know what car out of that list I'd want more. And it's not a Viper, Mustang or Vet.
Quote from: Onslaught on September 24, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
I know what car out of that list I'd want more. And it's not a Viper, Mustang or Vet.
Right??? "Rosie O Donnell can def bench press more than Kate Upton" I was unaware that this was a powerlifting competition
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 24, 2013, 07:18:06 PM
Right??? "Rosie O Donnell can def bench press more than Kate Upton" I was unaware that this was a powerlifting competition
I'd also have a better chance of getting a Kate Upton lookalike in the Ferrari too. And ride in comfort when I'm going at ballistic speeds.
A 730 hp Ferrari should be a lot faster than a Mustang and should be pretty close to the ZR1. Don't get me wrong, I really dig this Ferrari, but it really falls short, performance wise.
Seems to be an anomaly. Every track time I've seen for that F12 has it slightly faster than a 458. It beats the new 458 Speciale (which is under 3,000 lbs, 600 hp) around Fiorano by a half a second.
I blame a combination of the track not being a good fit for the car, and Pobst not being the driver every one seems to think he is.
Quote from: MrH on September 24, 2013, 10:24:27 PM
Seems to be an anomaly. Every track time I've seen for that F12 has it slightly faster than a 458. It beats the new 458 Speciale (which is under 3,000 lbs, 600 hp) around Fiorano by a half a second.
I blame a combination of the track not being a good fit for the car, and Pobst not being the driver every one seems to think he is.
Really?
Currently active in the SCCA World Challenge GT series and the Grand American series' GT class, Pobst was the 2003, 2007, 2008, and 2010 SCCA World Challenge GT champion, the 1996 North American Touring Car Championship title winner, and the 2005, 2006 and 2007 SCCA World Challenge TC vice-champion. He is also a two-time class winner of the 24 Hours of Daytona, in 2001 and 2006.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 12:06:04 AM
Really?
Currently active in the SCCA World Challenge GT series and the Grand American series' GT class, Pobst was the 2003, 2007, 2008, and 2010 SCCA World Challenge GT champion, the 1996 North American Touring Car Championship title winner, and the 2005, 2006 and 2007 SCCA World Challenge TC vice-champion. He is also a two-time class winner of the 24 Hours of Daytona, in 2001 and 2006.
Perhaps he was constipated that day.
2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta vs 2014 Chevrolet Corvette C7 vs 2013 Porsche 911 C4S! Head 2 Head Ep 42 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6y7oeZx9WY#)
I guess the C7 is the superior car.
Side note, can't watch this on the big screen... the Ferrari, and only the Ferrari, makes my dog howl :lol:
Ferrari F12: $330,000
Porsche 911 C4S: $105,630
Totally comparable. :nutty:
Quote from: Raza on September 25, 2013, 08:10:43 AM
Ferrari F12: $330,000
Porsche 911 C4S: $105,630
Totally comparable. :nutty:
This test was an "addendum to the Driver's Car competition", not a full on comparo. 911 C4S took the original competition and this one.
Quote from: Raza on September 25, 2013, 08:10:43 AM
Ferrari F12: $330,000
Porsche 911 C4S: $105,630
Totally comparable. :nutty:
And yet the 911 wins and the Ferrari finishes last.
The summary at the end of that video expresses the same disappointment I felt when I see how "much lesser" cars are better cars than the Ferrari. The Ferrari has nearly 300 more horsepower than the Vette and can barely outlap it. I love the Ferrari. I think it looks great and it sounds amazing, but it's 4000 lbs and has soft pitchy handling. Ferrari came up short.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
The summary at the end of that video expresses the same disappointment I felt when I see how "much lesser" cars are better cars than the Ferrari. The Ferrari has nearly 300 more horsepower than the Vette and can barely outlap it. I love the Ferrari. I think it looks great and it sounds amazing, but it's 4000 lbs and has soft pitchy handling. Ferrari came up short.
Better at what? Going around 1 track biased to handling over power? Come on dude.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
The summary at the end of that video expresses the same disappointment I felt when I see how "much lesser" cars are better cars than the Ferrari. The Ferrari has nearly 300 more horsepower than the Vette and can barely outlap it. I love the Ferrari. I think it looks great and it sounds amazing, but it's 4000 lbs and has soft pitchy handling. Ferrari came up short.
Paves the way for numerous GT, GTS, and GTC packages to come.
Quote from: Raza on September 25, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
Paves the way for numerous GT, GTS, and GTC packages to come.
That was my thought as well.
Quote from: Raza on September 25, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
Paves the way for numerous GT, GTS, and GTC packages to come.
Thats the craziest part. This is the ground floor. Can you imagine what the F12XX will be like? 1000HP?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2013, 01:16:37 PM
Thats the craziest part. This is the ground floor. Can you imagine what the F12XX will be like? 1000HP?
What's so crazy about the ground floor? From all accounts it's pretty good but it falls short of where it should be.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 01:27:24 PM
What's so crazy about the ground floor? From all accounts it's pretty good but it falls short of where it should be.
I'm done talking about this "falling short" nonsense.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2013, 01:43:27 PM
I'm done talking about this "falling short" nonsense.
I'm not. Ferraris are better than this.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 12:06:04 AM
Really?
Currently active in the SCCA World Challenge GT series and the Grand American series' GT class, Pobst was the 2003, 2007, 2008, and 2010 SCCA World Challenge GT champion, the 1996 North American Touring Car Championship title winner, and the 2005, 2006 and 2007 SCCA World Challenge TC vice-champion. He is also a two-time class winner of the 24 Hours of Daytona, in 2001 and 2006.
That doesn't mean the guy is incapable of producing a subpar lap. We have no clue if he only got a chance to put down a few laps and Ferrari snagged it back. Everyone's got cars they're naturally more competitive in too.
Comparing an F12 to a Corvette based on lap time of one driver on one course is pretty stupid.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
The summary at the end of that video expresses the same disappointment I felt when I see how "much lesser" cars are better cars than the Ferrari. The Ferrari has nearly 300 more horsepower than the Vette and can barely outlap it. I love the Ferrari. I think it looks great and it sounds amazing, but it's 4000 lbs and has soft pitchy handling. Ferrari came up short.
:facepalm:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
Better at what? Going around 1 track biased to handling over power? Come on dude.
+1
Guys, it's faster around Fiorano than the 458 Speciale. Fiorano isn't an especially long track that favors power either. To say the F12 comes up short is asinine.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 25, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
I'm not. Ferraris are better than this.
Well have fun talking to yourself. This car is awesome and anyone who would pick a 911 or Corvette over one because they lap faster around 1 track is an idiot
I'd also like to point out it beats an Enzo around Fiorano by nearly 2 seconds. That's an eternity on a track that short.
Quote from: MrH on September 25, 2013, 06:14:58 PM
That doesn't mean the guy is incapable of producing a subpar lap. We have no clue if he only got a chance to put down a few laps and Ferrari snagged it back. Everyone's got cars they're naturally more competitive in too.
Comparing an F12 to a Corvette based on lap time of one driver on one course is pretty stupid.
:nono:
Comparing lap times, Consumer Reports results, et al, is only stupid when your car is the one that looks bad in the comparison. See below:
Quote from: MrH on September 25, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
I'd also like to point out it beats an Enzo around Fiorano by nearly 2 seconds. That's an eternity on a track that short.
Although, I do hear a lot of excuses from the Ferrari camp here. :devil:
Bleh I would take this over a million Audi TTs
Who wouldn't?
I'd take the million TTs. Then sell a bunch of them to buy an F12.
Quote from: MX793 on September 27, 2013, 05:32:19 AM
I'd take the million TTs. Then sell a bunch of them to buy an F12.
Yeah. You'd have an F12 and 950,000 Audi TTs.
Quote from: MX793 on September 27, 2013, 05:32:19 AM
I'd take the million TTs. Then sell a bunch of them to buy an F12.
To hell with your pragmatism. Its the principle of the matter!!!!
Quote from: Raza on September 27, 2013, 07:09:16 AM
Yeah. You'd have an F12 and 950,000 Audi TTs.
Nah, I'd have at least 999,983 Audi TTs.
BTW, when did the Audi TT become the currency of the world?
Quote from: MX793 on September 27, 2013, 11:59:48 AM
Nah, I'd have at least 999,983 Audi TTs.
BTW, when did the Audi TT become the currency of the world?
Well, I was figuring in options. I figure, with a million Audi TTs, I could go nuts. Custom paint, custom leather, a real manual transmission (I mean, for 10,000-15,000 TTs, I'm sure I could find a shop who would put something in), et al.
Theyd all still be warmed over Golfs.
Have they even produced a million Audi TT's yet?
No thank God
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 27, 2013, 03:11:12 PM
Theyd all still be warmed over Golfs.
What's your beef with the TT, Golf-driver? Have you even driven one?
The current TT is a completely different animal than the first one. It's also a completely different animal than the Golf.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 27, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
The current TT is a completely different animal than the first one. It's also a completely different animal than the Golf.
Yeah, the TT's platform has sort of split off into its own evolutionary branch from the rest of the Golf family.
Too big
Quote from: Raza on September 27, 2013, 05:33:46 PM
What's your beef with the TT, Golf-driver? Have you even driven one?
I know you are a fan of them and I am still angry you suggested one
Never drove one though. Have driven some nice GTIs though.
Why would you be angry about him suggesting a TT?
He should know me better than that.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2013, 08:24:40 AM
I know you are a fan of them and I am still angry you suggested one
Never drove one though. Have driven some nice GTIs though.
Yeah, it's the kind of car that gets ragged on by magazines and eaten up by people who haven't driven one. And yet, they're still fun cars despite not being great at irrelevant things like track times. By all accounts, the new model is supposed to be even better than a GTI, thanks to its lighter weight through the use of aluminum.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2013, 06:07:06 PM
He should know me better than that.
You have a Golf and a 350Z. I have no idea what you're into anymore. I expected an Accord and another Accord, but with the back seats removed.
Quote from: Raza on September 30, 2013, 09:46:11 AM
You have a Golf and a 350Z. I have no idea what you're into anymore. I expected an Accord and another Accord, but with the back seats removed.
Meh, Golf was the wife's car. I put it like this. If money were no object, I'd have a Desmosedici RR, an Ariel Atom V8, and a E63 wagon. Lightness, picking the car for the job, yadda yadda... same shit I've been saying for years. I am a speed freak now though. I don't think I can daily drive something slower than the Z for a long time, it's not even fast to me anymore.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 30, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
Meh, Golf was the wife's car. I put it like this. If money were no object, I'd have a Desmosedici RR, an Ariel Atom V8, and a E63 wagon. Lightness, picking the car for the job, yadda yadda... same shit I've been saying for years. I am a speed freak now though. I don't think I can daily drive something slower than the Z for a long time, it's not even fast to me anymore.
You're only a speed freak because the Z doesn't feel fast.
The Z feels faster than a lot of cars folks suggested I buy. It's still a low 14 second car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 30, 2013, 03:38:17 PM
The Z feels faster than a lot of cars folks suggested I buy. It's still a low 14 second car.
It
is faster than a lot of cars suggested...but in my experience it definitely doesn't feel it. All that weight dulls the senses.
Speed is overrated. Having your ass almost bumping the asphalt with as light a car as you can get is where it's at.
Let me drive the Miata.
Quote from: Onslaught on September 30, 2013, 06:07:38 PM
Speed is overrated. Having your ass almost bumping the asphalt with as light a car as you can get is where it's at.
This man speaks the truth.