http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-porsche-911-r-will-be-the-best-manual-911-you-1761915084 (http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-porsche-911-r-will-be-the-best-manual-911-you-1761915084)
GT3 RS with regular body and stickshift
Already sold out :(
Loved the houndstooth, hate the exterior color combo(and stripes/color).
Porsche is turning out instant collector cars left and right it seems.
:wub:
Ditch the red stripes, and it's just about perfect. Maybe some form of the ducktail spoiler for icing on the cake.
:vapors:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 01, 2016, 07:36:33 AM
Loved the houndstooth, hate the exterior color combo(and stripes/color).
Porsche is turning out instant collector cars left and right it seems.
Word on the skreet is they were pissed off at not being able to cash in on the air cooled bubble. They came up with some "Porsche Classic Stealership Service" bullshit but that's nothing compared to the 5-6 figure capital gains acquired by people who bought 993 anythings at the bottom
They get it though. Fuck, I want this car so bad. Will they follow with a new Cayman R?
Meh. The car is fantastic but the whole "cars only get sold to 918 owners bla bla bla" make me not give a shit because that means these are de facto as unattainable as a Bugatti.
Happened even with the much less expensive GT4.
Current Porsche pricing here is getting attractive. I've been playing a lot on the configurator recently.
This is what I'd like (and that is actually available without stupid limits):
- Base 911 Carrera (new turbo with 370hp)
- Manual
- Sports plus seats
- BOSE sound system
- Heated seats
- Aluminum interior package
- Graphite blue/beige
- ISOFIX for passenger seat (because baby)
- Sports exhaust
That comes to about $92K here which isn't bad at all. Only about 10K more than a comparable M4.
I feel you on the unattainability front. That is annoying. As you kind of said though, thankfully a "run of the mill" 911 Carrera is still a phenomenal GT with no barriers to ownership. And again, there is always the aftermarket.
Carrera 2S with a good aftermarket exhaust is all ya need. If the Corvette GS is just too manly for you.
GS/Z06 look like modern day interpretations of old Callaways
I am just not a fan of the C7's looks in general. C6 and C5 FRC were much classier
Meh, I don't like 911's. They look so damn bloated now.
They do look like Panamera coupes, it is kind of sad.
I am bummed I cannot buy a 996 right now. They are ready to bounce and still 911 ish despite the 96 Ford Taurus interior. Maybe thats why they called it the 996
I don't see 996's ever appreciating, unless the future 911's become even bigger turds.
They are still 911s bro
What if 911 was just 911 and the numbers between 990 and 1000 were never equal to 911?
So I just realized this has a 6MT instead of the 7MT.
All kinds of want now. :wub:
The R stands for "real deal"
Sad though that you have to pay out of the nose for no turbos. We are truly in a different era
While we may be able to split hairs within the porsche lineup.
The reality is that just about any 911 is pretty much going to probably deliver the best driving experience of anything on the market.
Agreed. At pretty much any of its price points the 911 seems to be the best overall and driver's car by a landslide. It can be a legit family car unlike anything with 2 seats, it's fun below 999/thousandths unlike a GT-R, and it's way more dynamic than pretty much every other 4 seater under $200K. It's weird, contrarian and important too.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2016, 10:47:48 AM
Agreed. At pretty much any of its price points the 911 seems to be the best overall and driver's car by a landslide. It can be a legit family car unlike anything with 2 seats, it's fun below 999/thousandths unlike a GT-R, and it's way more dynamic than pretty much every other 4 seater under $200K. It's weird, contrarian and important too.
Lotus Evora?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 06, 2016, 10:49:30 AM
Lotus Evora?
Good call, but Camry engine and worse transmissions cancel out the much better chassis IMO. 911 is the full package
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2016, 01:03:55 PM
Good call, but Camry engine and worse transmissions cancel out the much better chassis IMO. 911 is the full package
Camry engine is probably a plus reliability wise. :lol:
Do you have a link for the worse transmissions part? I'm genuinely curious.
Evora is lighter (not by much but it counts), looks better, handles better and is much rarer. 911's are a dime a dozen.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 06, 2016, 01:18:25 PM
Camry engine is probably a plus reliability wise. :lol:
Do you have a link for the worse transmissions part? I'm genuinely curious.
Evora is lighter (not by much but it counts), looks better, handles better and is much rarer. 911's are a dime a dozen.
I don't have a link, but pretty much any review I've read on it has negative comments about both transmissions- especially the slushbox auto.
Looks & handles better are legit, but rarity is a negative in terms of actual car ownership. Good luck getting service or parts in most of the country in a timely fashion. 911 is a better daily driver. Plus rarity is dependent on where you are. I saw 911s probably on a monthly basis in NYC. I have seen about 4-5 911s down here in the last 3 years.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
I don't have a link, but pretty much any review I've read on it has negative comments about both transmissions- especially the slushbox auto.
Looks & handles better are legit, but rarity is a negative in terms of actual car ownership. Good luck getting service or parts in most of the country in a timely fashion. 911 is a better daily driver. Plus rarity is dependent on where you are. I saw 911s probably on a monthly basis in NYC. I have seen about 4-5 911s down here in the last 3 years.
Anyone who buys a Lotus with a slush box auto deserves to have it assplode on them.
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QuoteHEIMERDINGEN, Germany — Even in some parts of Porsche 911 land, the normally aspirated engine is dying. It's being overtaken by a vast array of turbocharged powerplants, which are more potent, torquier, and economical. So why does Porsche refuse to switch its most emotional products to forced induction?
"Because there are clients who want to experience driving pleasure in its purest form," answers Porsche GT division head Andreas Preuninger. "In more ways than one, the authentic, honest, and transparent 911 R fulfills the customer desire for absolute functionality. For me personally it is kind of a motorbike substitute for public roads, less so for track days."
Our car for the day is a virtually undisguised and unnumbered pre-production model of the all-new, 2016 Porsche 911 R. Painted in GT silver, this understated example does without the loud PORSCHE lettering along the flanks as well as the louder, full-length rally stripes, which come in red or green — war paint inspired by the brand's go-faster styling of the '60s. The incognito livery pictured here matches the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing character of this otherwise stealthy, super 911 coupe.
While its body and chassis were borrowed from the GT3, the 911 R shares several lightweight panels (roof, wings, doors, windows) and its 4.0-liter engine with the GT3 RS. Following the underdog theme of the original 1967 version of which Porsche built only 19 units, the new Porsche 911 R (991 will be built, and all are spoken for) features a mildly modified pop-up spoiler a la the Carrera S instead of the fixed double-decker wings unique to the GT models. Together with the active wing, a diffuser integrated in the rear apron helps maximize downforce, even at top speed. In front, an aero kit borrowed from the GT3 reduces lift.
Ready for action? With a broad grin and a nod, Preuninger reaches for the ignition key, and we're in business. The engine springs to life with a growl, takes a deep breath to 1,500 rpm, then emits a long, pearly snarl before settling in at a restless idle. The erratic firing order is reminiscent of a faulty pacemaker, the exhaust duet raps in sync with the pulsating heart rate of the 500-horsepower flat-six engine.
Even though the gear lever is still in stand-by position, the transmission tunnel rattles like a bunch of carnival ratchets. "These noises are too precious to be eliminated," says Preuninger. "Generated by the optional single-mass flywheel, they evoke emotions. In addition, the low-inertia device takes out [11 pounds] in weight, and it further speeds up the ultra-quick throttle response. You don't like it? Then simply disengage the clutch."
In this car, Porsche's legendary boxer plays a louder and more mechanical tune. The acoustic highlight is the stereophonic gear changing process, which has such an in-cab presence we wouldn't be surprised if Porsche had installed a microphone in the engine bay and a separate speaker on the firewall. Contributing musicians are the humming ceramic brakes, the whistling wind noise, and the differential's groan-or-grind monologue. The distinctive aural presence is amplified by the lighter passenger cell aka resonance chamber, which has shed roughly 55 pounds, along with the rear seats. At approximately 3,021 pounds, the 911 R weighs about 110 pounds less than the GT3 RS, and that's with driver and a full tank of fuel. The dry weight — the only weight measurement certain competitor companies disclose for their sports cars — is an equally impressive 2,756 pounds.
Within a 30-mile radius of Weissach, Preuninger is familiar with every corner, crest, and radar trap. The car's cornering prowess and stability through high-speed bends is absolutely phenomenal. While cerebrum and cerebellum are slapping one high five after the other, the wide-body animal keeps building up speed and grip, displaying minimal lean and no hint of a commencing slide. The dampers are still set in normal mode, the stability control warning light has yet to file an objection, and we're still in fifth gear, pressing on down a long, long straight. Even though every gear change breaks the flow by inducing a momentary weight transfer, the 911 R won't alter its confidence-inspiring attitude as long as there is enough momentum to support progress.
ZF produces the new six-speed manual transmission for the 911 R and for the next GT3/GT3 RS, so there will soon be a choice between DIY and the double-clutch gearbox. Predictably, even the slickest and quickest shift artists cannot match the acceleration times of the PDK-equipped GT3 (3.5 seconds) and the GT3 RS (3.3 seconds). When revs, clutch action, tire temperature, and grip level work in unison, the R can sprint to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds. Bad for bragging rights but a real eye-opener when experienced unplugged and in Cinemascope. The reinforced clutch does a good job taming the restless flywheel, the shifter works with the fine mechanical precision of a high-end camera shutter, and the eagerly staggered gear ratios are indifferent to eventual CO2 concerns.
The brain takes time to acknowledge the highly physical g-force and the time-warp stopping power as controllable, not as angst on wheels. On nine out of 10 roads, this 911 holds the line with aplomb. Over the really rough stuff, however, the R eventually lays down its arms with a resigning posture that is half rubber mattress, half pop rivet. As soon as the earthquake surface begins to smooth out and you can go faster than 40 mph without curbing a wheel or bending a spring, the chassis reinstates that fundamental compliance that can only be neutralized by a premature stab at the damper button. Beyond 70 mph, the adjustable suspension handles such road building lapses as sharp potholes and tackles transverse ripples and frost-bite leftovers with skill and sheer instinct. Even over such difficult terrain, the front end refrains from hopping and trembling, the steering won't sashay around the straight-ahead position, and the aerodynamic stability squashes undue body movements before they even start. This inherent tautness spreads from C-road roughness all the way to table-top smoothness.
Even though the virginal silver coupe has less than 100 miles on the clock, the chief project engineer clearly does not want to be a party pooper. So he hits the Sport Plus symbol, keeps the traction/stability button pushed for more than 8 seconds, and once again checks the mirrors and seatbelt. We hope Preuninger knows the upcoming esses like the back of his hand, because the approach speed is eerily ambitious, the brake point is at least two car lengths too optimistic, and the turn-in is so radically fast that we are bound to run out of front-end grip. But no. The bite reflex of the 245/35R-20 Michelins is supernaturally reliable, and the cornering balance built into the dedicated suspension pays off once again. But overdo it, and that dreaded counterswing may kick the car off course for good, no matter how hard the diff tries to set things straight again. When the 339 lb-ft of maximum torque take the gloves off, even the extra-wide 305/30R-20 rear tires will duly smear sideways with smoldering grandezza.
The rear-wheel steering encourages quick changes of direction, and it helps plotting a stable line at high speed. At the adhesion limit, it's the job of sticky rubber and the talented chassis to distribute all that oomph in the most effective manner. Assistance is provided by ASR, ESP, and the mechanical differential lock, which feels edgier but more effective than most electronically controlled systems. In Sport Plus, stability control is more willing to turn a blind eye to a pending loss of traction, and the shock absorbers don't absorb shocks quite as thoroughly anymore. Your neighbors would definitely hate the switchable exhaust made of superlight titanium, which barks its message with an intensity that makes window panes tremble from a passing decibel overdose. The artificially generated on-demand throttle blipping that precedes downshifts in the best heel-and-toe fashion sounds comparatively hushed.
The 911 R is fast, emotional, involving, and extreme even without all those wild wing add-ons. But its prime virtue is the shotgun responsiveness, the almost telepathic reaction to throttle orders, brake activation, and steering inputs. When Preuninger floors the accelerator at 4,000 rpm in second gear without warning, my head slams into the seatback, I feel like my legs become almost weightless for a second or two, and feel my torso freeze in a mix of momentary immobility and total bafflement. The turbo-style kick produced by this remarkable naturally aspirated engine lets up ever so slightly at 7,000 rpm, 1,500 rpm before the limiter cuts in. Born in the motorsports department, the 4.0-liter six is addicted to high revs. The maximum power output equals 8,250 rpm, while the torque curve peaks at 6,250 rpm. Even in fifth and sixth, the dynamo-like urge continues to unfold.
"The 911 R combines the best of worlds," proclaims Preuninger. "It's a high-revving, low-inertia powerhouse, but at the same time it picks up revs in a tall gear with explosive exertion. Which is another way of saying that you may shift down a notch whenever you feel like it, but there is rarely a real need to do so. This car can be raucous or refined, just take your pick."
The 24-valve uber-boxer draws the line between the two traits at about 4,500 rpm. Below that threshold, it feels almost like a laissez-faire V-8. Above it, brace yourself for an unreal push that combines the zest of an afterburner with the long legs of a gas turbine. The 4.0-liter normally aspirated kraftwerk bridges the extremes with a relentless energy that the modern turbocharged 3.0-liter unit can only dream of. It's the perfect engine for this hooligan car in disguise, which is as minimalist inside as its reduced appearance suggests. On the autobahn, the R even eclipses the two sold-out Batmobiles: At 202 mph, it has the top speed edge over GT3 and GT3 RS.
The 991 lucky buyers benefit from standard items including 918 Spyder-style buckets with traditional pepita cloth upholstery, bespoke green instrument faces, and a set of carbon-fiber dashboard applications. Air-conditioning and infotainment are no-cost options. Extra money buys a hydraulic front axle lift (dispensable, since the R uses the less vulnerable GT3 nasal air dam), a more elaborate finish for the lightweight wheels, full leather trim, and single-mass flywheel.
A select few vehicles can be channeled through the Exclusive division, but since the R is the last of the pre-facelift 991-series 911 models, the production schedule is extremely tight. According to the Weissach grapevine, the next GT3 is due in 2017, followed by a new GT3 RS in 2018 — and a still-to-be-defined 911 R replacement the year after. Although all three models will again be available only in limited numbers, this time we can give you up to three years advance warning.
2016 Porsche 911 R Specifications
On Sale: Now (sold out)
Price: $185,950 (base)
Engine: 4.0L DOHC 24-valve flat-6/500 hp @ 8,250 rpm, 339 lb-ft @ 6,250 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Layout: 2-door, 4-passenger, rear-engine, RWD coupe
EPA Mileage: 15/21 mpg (city/hwy) (est)
L x W x H: 178.4 x 72.9 x 50.2 in
Wheelbase: 96.7 in
Weight: 3,021 lb
0-60 MPH: 3.7 sec
Top Speed: 202 mph
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2016, 10:47:48 AM
Agreed. At pretty much any of its price points the 911 seems to be the best overall and driver's car by a landslide. It can be a legit family car unlike anything with 2 seats, it's fun below 999/thousandths unlike a GT-R, and it's way more dynamic than pretty much every other 4 seater under $200K. It's weird, contrarian and important too.
A legit family car if your kids have no legs. Have you ever seen the back seat of a 911?
Quote from: Raza on March 15, 2016, 11:36:28 AM
A legit family car if your kids have no legs. Have you ever seen the back seat of a 911?
A 911 is a legit family car??? Sporty is legitimately losing his mind.
Ha ha, crazy indeed.
(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads9/911+Kids1167457134.jpg)
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(http://www.digizine.com/ricardo/rennlist/cosco-high-back.jpg)
Are you serious guys?
And how tall are you Sporty? I guarantee those kids are sitting behind people no taller than 5'2".
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 02:19:06 PM
And how tall are you Sporty? I guarantee those kids are sitting behind people no taller than 5'2".
Naw...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/33d06c/can_a_911_be_a_dad_car/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/33d06c/can_a_911_be_a_dad_car/)
QuoteI have a 996tt daily driver and it works pretty well. I'm 6'1 and have a set of 6 year olds that I've been driving in the back seats since I got it 4 years ago. I do have to scoot the seat up a bit for them to have leg room, but it's still comfortable for me and the kids. Heck, we often go in it as a family and have done grocery shopping, etc and it works great.
That means he had them in through various iterations of car seats. 911 is most certainly a family car
I would like to see that in real life because any 911 I see the back seat pretty much touches the back of the front seat...and it's only got 4 cu.ft. of luggage space.
Even if you can fit a couple kids back there, I wouldn't consider something a "legit family car" unless a single parent could realistically use it as an only vehicle. That would be extremely difficult in a 911.
Depends on how much you value driving....and how much you resent your children.
I'd do it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2016, 01:58:46 PM
Ha ha, crazy indeed.
(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads9/911+Kids1167457134.jpg)
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I'm 5'8" and there isn't enough room behind me for any child over 4 or 5.
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Are you serious guys?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2016, 02:35:51 PM
Naw...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/33d06c/can_a_911_be_a_dad_car/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/33d06c/can_a_911_be_a_dad_car/)
That means he had them in through various iterations of car seats. 911 is most certainly a family car
I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying that it's hardly practical.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 15, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
Depends on how much you value driving....and how much you resent your children.
I'd do it.
I think I would too. :mask:
Wait until you're on a long drive and the kids are complaining and crying about being uncomfortable and they're kicking your seats. You will be wishing you had bought a fucking Dodge Ram Mega Cab. Trust me, it already happens in our G37. My daughter is just a hair under 5 feet tall and my son is just 3" behind her and they complain about leg room and being uncomfortable on anything longer than 45 minutes.
Under 5 feet tall and complaining about leg room in a G37? :wtf: :confused:
With me in the drivers seat, my pop's 911 had zero room in the back. With him in the drivers seat, there was room for perhaps an infant seat.
If you have children above the age of 4, count a 911 out as a family car.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 03:51:16 PM
Wait until you're on a long drive and the kids are complaining and crying about being uncomfortable and they're kicking your seats. You will be wishing you had bought a fucking Dodge Ram Mega Cab. Trust me, it already happens in our G37. My daughter is just a hair under 5 feet tall and my son is just 3" behind her and they complain about leg room and being uncomfortable on anything longer than 45 minutes.
Your kids <> all kids, and for that matter, you <> all people (I know you and your wife are taller than average).
OK, a legit family car is a stretch, but the point is you can fit small children in it. Plus if you have a 911, unless you are a single dad, you have another car in the household. And even if you are a single dad, if you can legitimately afford your 911, you can probably have a more kid friendly car too.
I would bet most kids hate riding in ALL cars for long rides, but most rides aren't long, and ALL kids love cool cars. (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/08/barks-bites-kids-love-fast-cars/)
Quote from: Submariner on March 15, 2016, 03:58:45 PM
With me in the drivers seat, my pop's 911 had zero room in the back. With him in the drivers seat, there was room for perhaps an infant seat.
If you have children above the age of 4, count a 911 out as a family car.
Actually, infant seats take up more room the front facing seats.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 15, 2016, 03:58:45 PM
Under 5 feet tall and complaining about leg room in a G37? :wtf: :confused:
The G37 is a compact car man.
(http://img.autobytel.com/car-reviews/autobytel/113839-2013-infiniti-g37-sedan-road-test-and-review/ABTL_2013-Infiniti-G37-Sport-Sedan-Rear-Seat.jpg)
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 15, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
Actually, infant seats take up more room the front facing seats.
Hell yeah they do.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
The G37 is a compact car man.
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(http://www.trueconsumerreviews.com/files/2013infinitig37/2013_Infiniti_G37_Rear_Seat_Roominess.jpg)
FWIW my boss has a 335i which pretty much matches the G37 in all dimensions and at 5' 10" I fit in it fine. Kids will complain about anything if they're bored and being strapped in a car for hours on end is torture for them.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
The G37 is a compact car man.
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My dad has a G37. I'm 6'3" and have sat in the back for extended trips a couple times. It's not bad at all. Kids complain for complaining sake, but to say that a G37 can't accommodate a <5' person is crazy.
Point is that if kids complain in a G37, they're gonna be raising hell in a 911.
I rode in the back of my dad's Camaro for long roadtrips as a kid, but it was obviously a cool car so I was fine with it. A 911 isn't as obviously cool to kids so I'm not sure they'd stay quiet.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 15, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Point is that if kids complain in a G37, they're gonna be raising hell in a 911.
I rode in the back of my dad's Camaro for long roadtrips as a kid, but it was obviously a cool car so I was fine with it. A 911 isn't as obviously cool to kids so I'm not sure they'd stay quiet.
A 911 isn't as obviously cool as a Camaro :confused:
And kids complaining isn't the car's fault. There are kids who are fine riding in the back of 911s. Happy even. His situation is his alone to deal with
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 15, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Point is that if kids complain in a G37, they're gonna be raising hell in a 911.
I rode in the back of my dad's Camaro for long roadtrips as a kid, but it was obviously a cool car so I was fine with it. A 911 isn't as obviously cool to kids so I'm not sure they'd stay quiet.
I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with anything. You were into cars as a little kid (or knew enough to think they were cool). A kid that doesn't give a shit about cars won't care if he's in a 911 or a Camero. Similarly, if your dad had a 911 instead of a Camero you'd probably still think it was cool and would have been fine with it.
I don't know how kids complain in the back of a G37. I'm not doubting Hemi, but it's just weird because I'm so much taller and find it fine. I also grew up in the back of tin can cars. Maybe I just complained a lot. I dunno.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2016, 06:21:48 PM
A 911 isn't as obviously cool as a Camaro :confused:
And kids complaining isn't the car's fault. There are kids who are fine riding in the back of 911s. Happy even. His situation is his alone to deal with
New 911s aren't as loud or fast sounding/feeling, and no one gives you a thumbs up or says cool car when you're at the gas station. An old 911 would qualify, but a new one would be borderline.
Sure you might find some kids that won't complain, but you'll find more that will. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on March 15, 2016, 06:31:43 PM
I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with anything. You were into cars as a little kid (or knew enough to think they were cool). A kid that doesn't give a shit about cars won't care if he's in a 911 or a Camero. Similarly, if your dad had a 911 instead of a Camero you'd probably still think it was cool and would have been fine with it.
I don't know how kids complain in the back of a G37. I'm not doubting Hemi, but it's just weird because I'm so much taller and find it fine. I also grew up in the back of tin can cars. Maybe I just complained a lot. I dunno.
Kids also need more space on roadtrips than adults. They've got tons of crap to entertain them, and that eats into their room. I always wished I had more room in our old Accord and Mazda6.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 15, 2016, 05:44:24 PM
My dad has a G37. I'm 6'3" and have sat in the back for extended trips a couple times. It's not bad at all. Kids complain for complaining sake, but to say that a G37 can't accommodate a <5' person is crazy.
Never did I say it can't accommodate.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
(http://www.trueconsumerreviews.com/files/2013infinitig37/2013_Infiniti_G37_Rear_Seat_Roominess.jpg)
FWIW my boss has a 335i which pretty much matches the G37 in all dimensions and at 5' 10" I fit in it fine. Kids will complain about anything if they're bored and being strapped in a car for hours on end is torture for them.
Says the guy with no kids.
My kids have never complained about leg room or space in my Explorer.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 15, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Point is that if kids complain in a G37, they're gonna be raising hell in a 911.
This.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
(http://www.trueconsumerreviews.com/files/2013infinitig37/2013_Infiniti_G37_Rear_Seat_Roominess.jpg)
The second picture shows the seats far more forward than the top photo which is pretty close to where ours are.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 15, 2016, 06:52:59 PM
New 911s aren't as loud or fast sounding/feeling, and no one gives you a thumbs up or says cool car when you're at the gas station. An old 911 would qualify, but a new one would be borderline.
Sure you might find some kids that won't complain, but you'll find more that will. :huh:
Kids also need more space on roadtrips than adults. They've got tons of crap to entertain them, and that eats into their room. I always wished I had more room in our old Accord and Mazda6.
Hemi was saying his kids complain about legroom, implying that the car itself is too small. I don't know what having a bunch of extra junk to play with has to do with that.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 08:45:17 PM
Never did I say it can't accommodate.
Comfortably accomodate? :huh:
FWIW I think the G37's rear seat is pretty nice. Enough legroom, and the seat itself feels nicely bolstered. I've never sat in the car with the driver's seat in my position, though, so I can't comment on how it is to sit behind someone super tall.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Hell yeah they do.
To be fair to Zach, he probably didn't know there was a difference between an "infant seat" and a "front facing child seat". I know I don't. I mean, I knew rear facing seats take up more room than front facing seats, but I didn't know that they were called infant seats.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 15, 2016, 08:45:44 PM
Says the guy with no kids.
My kids have never complained about leg room or space in my Explorer.
This doesn't mean their complaints are valid- Explorer only has 1 more inch of combined legroom than the G37. Sounds like a pea under the mattress situation
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 16, 2016, 04:23:52 AM
This doesn't mean their complaints are valid- Explorer only has 1 more inch of combined legroom than the G37. Sounds like a pea under the mattress situation
We both know there's more to seat comfort than the legroom number. That's overly simplistic.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 16, 2016, 04:23:52 AM
This doesn't mean their complaints are valid- Explorer only has 1 more inch of combined legroom than the G37. Sounds like a pea under the mattress situation
I can assure you, as someone who owns both vehicles, there is much more than one inch of difference.
More upright seating position = front seats don't need to be pushed back as far to be comfortable.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 16, 2016, 09:58:32 AM
More upright seating position = front seats don't need to be pushed back as far to be comfortable.
A tape measure doesn't tell the whole story.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 16, 2016, 10:47:06 AM
A tape measure doesn't tell the whole story.
:lol: that's what guys with little penises say.
Quote from: MrH on March 16, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
:lol: that's what guys with little penises say.
:clap: