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Just read the C&D review, and I'd still much rather spend the money on an '05-'06 model.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 12, 2017, 07:42:49 AM
Just read the C&D review, and I'd still much rather spend the money on an '05-'06 model.
Agreed. This one is too fancy. The '05 was very pure.
This is a race car first, which means it's not going to be a great road car.
At least it sounds good. Not V8 good but Turbo 6 good...........
For me, and many others as well, it suffers from the same issue as the Jaguar XJ220 fiasco. It should have had a tuned version of the Voodoo V8.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 12, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Agreed. This one is too fancy. The '05 was very pure.
The design is cool, but really fucking awkward in side profile. The '05-'06 car was simply gorgeous from all angles.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 12, 2017, 07:42:49 AM
Just read the C&D review, and I'd still much rather spend the money on an '05-'06 model.
Same here, but the price of those just keeps getting higher as well.
The new GT is an excellent race car but, like the original, not really meant for the street.
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 12, 2017, 09:47:36 AM
The new GT is an excellent race car but, like the original, not really meant for the street.
Which to me always made the 05 model a poser GT
Quote from: r0tor on May 12, 2017, 09:52:50 AM
Which to me always made the 05 model a poser GT
Semi Exotic, though it could hold its own with a lot of exotics.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 12, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
This is a race car first, which means it's not going to be a great road car.
People who have driven it disagree.
And anything like this is not going to be an ideal road car... kind of the point.
Uh, the three reviews I've read thus far say cramped, loud (exhaust drone), virtually no trunk space, uncomfortable for many drivers (seats don't move - the wheel and pedals do), and some borderline kit-car interior fixings.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 12, 2017, 09:44:39 AM
The design is cool, but really fucking awkward in side profile. The '05-'06 car was simply gorgeous from all angles.
Couldn't agree more. The previous car was the better road car - execution and styling - by leaps and bounds. But then again, that was designed as a road car first and the new GT is designed as a race car first.
High-winding N/A V8 >>>> turbo V6 too.
Lets be honest, this thing would have been a dog with an N/A V8. Even Ferrari has moved to blowers, and I don't think they can get the 600+ HP out of the Voodoo that VWAG gets out of their V10. It's over
Quote from: GoCougs on May 12, 2017, 10:26:09 AM
Uh, the three reviews I've read thus far say cramped, loud (exhaust drone), virtually no trunk space, uncomfortable for many drivers (seats don't move - the wheel and pedals do), and some borderline kit-car interior fixings.
And we all know people buying mid-engined, 700 hp race cars look first and foremost for: 1) a big trunk, 2) a quiet exhaust, and 3) lots of rear-seat legroom.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Lets be honest, this thing would have been a dog with an N/A V8. Even Ferrari has moved to blowers, and I don't think they can get the 600+ HP out of the Voodoo that VWAG gets out of their V10. It's over
A lightly blown Voodoo would've been nice, just for the sound, but this is more of a marketing ploy than Ford getting into the super exotic market.
Quote from: Tave on May 12, 2017, 11:56:49 AM
And we all know people buying mid-engined, 700 hp race cars look first and foremost for: 1) a big trunk, 2) a quiet exhaust, and 3) lots of rear-seat legroom.
Premise ablated: I had stated reviews are saying it wasn't a great road car, not that it wasn't a great (race) car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Lets be honest, this thing would have been a dog with an N/A V8. Even Ferrari has moved to blowers, and I don't think they can get the 600+ HP out of the Voodoo that VWAG gets out of their V10. It's over
Ford N/A V8 maybe ;).
Ferrari moved to blowers for its Kmart cars - the GTs (F12, GTC4) still charge exceptionally on with N/A V12s.
But really, N/A 600+ hp out of 5-6L has been done for some time, and the cars are very very quick - 11.0 sec or better 1/4 mile - such as the 911 GT3 RS, R8 V10 and Huracan.
This GT is a race car first, and those primary serve as marketing efforts, and Ford has basically bet the company on Ecoboost, so it's understandable why those chose it.
lol @ Ferrari's "Kmart" cars.
A twin turbo V8 would have ruined the aero package
Quote from: GoCougs on May 12, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Ford N/A V8 maybe ;).
Ferrari moved to blowers for its Kmart cars - the GTs (F12, GTC4) still charge exceptionally on with N/A V12s.
But really, N/A 600+ hp out of 5-6L has been done for some time, and the cars are very very quick - 11.0 sec or better 1/4 mile - such as the 911 GT3 RS, R8 V10 and Huracan.
This GT is a race car first, and those primary serve as marketing efforts, and Ford has basically bet the company on Ecoboost, so it's understandable why those chose it.
R8/Huracan are AWD, and don't have this thing's crazy aero or built in pedigree. I would bet this thing would leave a GT3 RS for dead on the track too. And lulz @ a 488 being a Kmart car. F12 and GTC4 still have V12s because they are gargantuan, and LaFerrari has one because they could spare no expense on it. I think this makes sense all around, not just to market Ecoboost.
All Ford has to do now is close the loop... ditch the stupid Ecoboost 2.3 in the Rustang and give it either the 2.7TT or this.
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 12, 2017, 11:59:46 AM
A lightly blown Voodoo would've been nice, just for the sound, but this is more of a marketing ploy than Ford getting into the super exotic market.
They chose the 3.5EBV6 because it was already endurance race proven (Baja) and it was advantageous from a rulebook standpoint in the LeMans series.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 12, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
Premise ablated: I had stated reviews are saying it wasn't a great road car, not that it wasn't a great (race) car.
Right, but all mid engined supercars have minimal trunk space, lots of NVH, and cramped interiors. If our definition of "good road car" only encompasses those categories, nothing in this segment would ever qualify.
It's like saying a pickup truck isn't a good road car because the seating position is high, it's heavy, and the tire tread is too knobby.
Neither will ever be as good a "road car" as a Camry, but that is a natural consequence of their function and design.
No one in the market for a large trunk is ever going to shop mid-engined, regardless of how great the ride is or how luxurious the interior.
As to the design, while the '05 was a good-to-great example of the "retro homage"-look typified by the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger/Charger, this new one is probably the most striking car built since the Countach (Pagani might have something to say about that).
One is a decent knockoff; the other is an amazing design on it's own.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
R8/Huracan are AWD, and don't have this thing's crazy aero or built in pedigree. I would bet this thing would leave a GT3 RS for dead on the track too. And lulz @ a 488 being a Kmart car. F12 and GTC4 still have V12s because they are gargantuan, and LaFerrari has one because they could spare no expense on it. I think this makes sense all around, not just to market Ecoboost.
All Ford has to do now is close the loop... ditch the stupid Ecoboost 2.3 in the Rustang and give it either the 2.7TT or this.
How is it you so frequently make wild claims that are so easy to check?
F12 is 182" in length and the 488 is 180" (and the new GT is 187.5").
I just watched a few reviews last night. This car is looking to be legendary. I'd probably take it over a Ferrari.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on May 13, 2017, 08:51:36 AM
I just watched a few reviews last night. This car is looking to be legendary. I'd probably take it over a Ferrari.
I totally would, or the predecessor.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 12, 2017, 10:02:41 PM
How is it you so frequently make wild claims that are so easy to check?
F12 is 182" in length and the 488 is 180" (and the new GT is 187.5").
I love how you switched the GTC4 for the 488 like nobody would notice.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 13, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
I love how you switched the GTC4 for the 488 like nobody would notice.
You stated the F12 was gargantuan...
I will say this, your stamina for the L is legion.
Quote from: Tave on May 12, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
Right, but all mid engined supercars have minimal trunk space, lots of NVH, and cramped interiors. If our definition of "good road car" only encompasses those categories, nothing in this segment would ever qualify.
It's like saying a pickup truck isn't a good road car because the seating position is high, it's heavy, and the tire tread is too knobby.
Neither will ever be as good a "road car" as a Camry, but that is a natural consequence of their function and design.
No one in the market for a large trunk is ever going to shop mid-engined, regardless of how great the ride is or how luxurious the interior.
Even if it's not a top criterion, everyone is going to have their breaking point for what's unacceptable. It's not like the two levels of NVH are "Camry" and "everything else" -- there's also going to be a sliding scale within the mid-engined supercar class. After all, by supercar standards, a Camry and Mazda6 are equally boring to drive, but that doesn't mean that no one is going to be interested in the Mazda6.
Given the price and rarity of this car, it's going to be bought by multi-millionaires who will either park it in their private collections and never drive it or take it out a few times a year to a nearby car show or cars & coffee. For the little bit the typical owner will probably drive this car, I don't see the loud interior or lack of trunk space being much of a deterrent.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 13, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
I love how you switched the GTC4 for the 488 like nobody would notice.
It was pretty obvious to me he chose the 488 to show you the F12 is damn near the same fucking size, and that the length of the new GT dwarfs them both, regardless of engine type.
The GTC4 is a bad comparison anyways. It's 194" long because it has the room for actual, full-size adults in the back seats in addition to having a large cargo area behind them.
Quote from: MX793 on May 13, 2017, 03:46:32 PM
Given the price and rarity of this car, it's going to be bought by multi-millionaires who will either park it in their private collections and never drive it or take it out a few times a year to a nearby car show or cars & coffee. For the little bit the typical owner will probably drive this car, I don't see the loud interior or lack of trunk space being much of a deterrent.
Certainly they'll have no trouble selling out of a limited-run car. It's just a matter of whether it's a valid criticism that many people won't be very comfortable in the car. And I would say that if a car does something worse than its peers, it's always fair to point that out.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 13, 2017, 05:16:36 PM
It was pretty obvious to me he chose the 488 to show you the F12 is damn near the same fucking size, and that the length of the new GT dwarfs them both, regardless of engine type.
The GTC4 is a bad comparison anyways. It's 194" long because it has the room for actual, full-size adults in the back seats in addition to having a large cargo area behind them.
The GT is relatively long because that is aerodynamically advantageous. F1 cars range between 197-206 inches, which is full-sized sedan territory. IndyCars are similar (197-204 depending on the track).
Quote from: MX793 on May 14, 2017, 07:54:16 AM
The GT is relatively long because that is aerodynamically advantageous. F1 cars range between 197-206 inches, which is full-sized sedan territory. IndyCars are similar (197-204 depending on the track).
I was merely stating that sporty's argument of the f12 etc still having a v12 is because they are "gargantuan" is dumb