Ford is losing stupid money on EVs.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/ford-earnings-ev-losses/index.html

How many people here have EVs? I know: 
MrH has an F150 Lightning
Laconian has an EV6 GT
CaminoRacer has a Bolt

Part 29: Pontiac Parisienne


Pontiac had been selling a model called the Parisienne in Canada since 1958.  These Canadian Parisiennes were broadly similar to the corresponding model year Chevrolet Impala and Caprice.  And were it not for unforeseen events, the Parisienne would have remained a Canadian market anomaly.

By the early 1980s, General Motors believed the market for traditional, rear-drive, full-sized cars was in permanent decline.  With this in mind, Pontiac shifted the Bonneville badge from the full-size B-body to the newly facelifted mid-sized G-body in 1982, replacing the LeMans badge on this model.  There would be no full-size 1982 Pontiac.  The G-body was now styled to look like a slightly smaller version of the B-body, in an attempt to satisfy customers who would have otherwise bought the previous B-body Bonneville.  Although the G-body was still rear-drive, playing switcheroo by sticking the Bonneville badge on a smaller car didn't convince traditional big-car shoppers to part with their cash.  Pontiac dealers soon began loudly complaining they wanted their full-sized car back!  But how?  They already confused customers by suddenly turning the Bonneville from a full-size car to a mid-size after decades of full sized Bonnevilles.  Luckily, Canada came to the rescue!

Canadian Pontiac dealers were still selling a B-body Parisienne north of the border, so it required almost zero effort to bring it to the US for the 1983 model year.  The Parisienne's one distinguishing feature was the rear wheel spats on the sedan, which made the Parisienne stand out from it's Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Buick B-body clones.  I think they should have put the spats on the wagon, too, to give it some much needed character.

Both the Parisienne and the G-body Bonneville ceased production in 1986.  The Bonneville badge reappeared on a full sized sedan in 1987, this time on the front-drive H-body.

As for the name, Parisienne or La Parisienne means a grammatically female person or thing from Paris.  I don't know who thought Parisienne was an appropriate name to apply to this most American (or Canadian) of cars, but it must surely have been someone who has never been to Paris!  Can you imagine anything that would look more out of place on the streets of Paris than this?  There's enough steel in this car to build another Eifel Tower!

Grand Highlander is solid, but you sacrifice some "offroad able" for lots of interior room.

That's funny though LOL

Quote from: Rich on April 29, 2024, 03:30:09 PMTesla World Takeover 2024

lol Infinity

We've had a Kia EV6 for 2/3 of a year and have put 24 thousand miles on it. Never set foot in the dealership after the day I got it. If I wanted to rotate the tires, I'll take it to a local tire shop. I'll get new tires at around 30 thousand miles anyways as EVs tend to eat tires. I've never charged it at a public charger (fast or slow ones). I've charged it several times at family members Tesla chargers and with the Amazon bought adaptor, it works fine. If going on a long distance journey, I take one of the ICE cars we have. Even if the Kia EV6 was compatible with public Tesla superchargers with an adaptor, I wouldn't bother. I don't want to plan "fueling" on a long distance trip. Enough other things to be concerned with and don't want my car to dictate when I need to take a 20 minute or often longer break.

If you get an EV and are financing or leasing, particularly non Tesla branded EV, I'd consider gap insurance. They have horrendous depreciation. My Kia EV6 has probably lost 1/3 of value already. Even knowing that, I wouldn't hesitate to get another one. It's my favorite car.

All car mag reviews I've read of the refreshed Model 3 have given it stellar ratings as a driver. Reliability is not great.  While parts and service can take a long time, I believe Tesla will usually give out a loaner during the warranty period if your car can't be driven.

 

Quote from: Rich on April 29, 2024, 11:12:25 AMI'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

It's horrendous.  If anything, Tesla has made the arguments for dealerships existing.  Tons of dealerships suck, including most Hyundai & Kia dealerships.  But there are good dealerships out there, and they're priceless when you actually have an issue.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 29, 2024, 10:18:11 AMI wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Why?  CCS + an adapter is literally the same thing.

I'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time