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Title: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 09:43:09 AM
https://youtu.be/P04pMavdLqE



After cranking and cranking and cranking, this is the best I got out of her.


Any ideas?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 09:53:46 AM
Your primary problem is that it's a MkIV Jetta.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 09:53:46 AM
Your primary problem is that it's a MkIV Jetta.


That aside, any ideas? I only paid like $1000 for it. 129K. It's a 2.slow auto.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 10:05:32 AM
Any warning lights on in the dash?

Almost sounds like it's not getting fuel, so I'd focus on the fuel system.  Maybe a clogged filter or bad pump.  Maybe bad gas (water in the tank?)

When it does run it seems to run reasonably smoothly, but is there any chance somebody put diesel in it?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 10:16:18 AM
I agree with fuel problem. Borrow a fuel pressure gauge fron Autozone
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
YUP! Sounds like a fueling issue....
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
A quick check is to see if it runs while spraying starting fluid, brake clean, gas in a spray bottle, etc., down the throttle body. If it runs good, that rules out spark, compression and timing.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 10:05:32 AM
Any warning lights on in the dash?

Almost sounds like it's not getting fuel, so I'd focus on the fuel system.  Maybe a clogged filter or bad pump.  Maybe bad gas (water in the tank?)

When it does run it seems to run reasonably smoothly, but is there any chance somebody put diesel in it?


Nope. Not even a CEL. There is a code stored for misfire on cyl 2, but it's also running like trash so it probably doesn't mean anything.


The guy I bought it from says he can't put gas in it, since the pump will click off the second he tries to pump (I'm thinking charcol canister or some EVAP issue). But that wouldn't cause this, would it?


Coolant temp sensor?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 01:37:26 PM
Evap vent, if it's plugged, could cause it not to run.  If the vent is plugged, you'll end up with a vacuum in the tank which, if strong enough, can overwhelm the fuel pump.  Will it run if you take the gas cap off?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 01:37:26 PM
Evap vent, if it's plugged, could cause it not to run.  If the vent is plugged, you'll end up with a vacuum in the tank which, if strong enough, can overwhelm the fuel pump.  Will it run if you take the gas cap off?


Haven't tried but I think these cars have another door in the filler neck so I'm not sure if that'll work
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 01:32:01 PM

Nope. Not even a CEL. There is a code stored for misfire on cyl 2, but it's also running like trash so it probably doesn't mean anything.


The guy I bought it from says he can't put gas in it, since the pump will click off the second he tries to pump (I'm thinking charcol canister or some EVAP issue). But that wouldn't cause this, would it?


Coolant temp sensor?

Some gas tanks have a check ball at tue end of the neck that keeps gas from pouring out if you drive the car upside down. Ball could be stuck.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 15, 2017, 01:41:02 PM

Haven't tried but I think these cars have another door in the filler neck so I'm not sure if that'll work

That trap door generally isn't air tight.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 01:58:24 PM
That trap door generally isn't air tight.

:whatshesaid:
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:18:24 AM
I had a scare with this when I was working on the Civic that turned out to be incredibly simple

Car would crank, start, run, die in 2 seconds. The intake was loose near the throttle body, fucking with the MAF/MAP sensor readings. Could be something that simple.

I would also get my hands on a VAGCOM reader. It sounds like something electric. Vaya con dios
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: SVT_Power on January 17, 2017, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:18:24 AM
I would also get my hands on a VAGCOM reader.

I'd be interested in a machine that can read the female brain
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:18:24 AM
I had a scare with this when I was working on the Civic that turned out to be incredibly simple

Car would crank, start, run, die in 2 seconds. The intake was loose near the throttle body, fucking with the MAF/MAP sensor readings. Could be something that simple.

I would also get my hands on a VAGCOM reader. It sounds like something electric. Vaya con dios

Something along those lines was my initial guess.

The gas tank thing is odd. Have you tried it yourself, Kevin?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 17, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I can't obviously start it to check, but adding gas via can did no change.



However, I did get a new code - P0321 - "Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed Input Circuit Range/Performance"



That points to being a crank angle sensor, which would explain everything.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 17, 2017, 01:14:16 PM
Yeah, using my OBDII reader, the car says it's 50 degrees advanced. I don't think that's accurate, the belt looks good and new with no missing teeth.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 01:34:21 PM
Does the tachometer work/OBD reader display RPM?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 19, 2017, 06:14:01 PM
Figured it out!



It's out of time.  :banghead:



T belt is off, but not by much, so engine isn't ruined. 2.slow are interference designs, sort of; theyre kind of forgiving in regards to breaking t belts.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
2.$l0 is grate engine
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 20, 2017, 12:57:55 AM
Somehow, my 2.slow has VVT
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 05:15:40 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 20, 2017, 12:57:55 AM
Somehow, my 2.slow has VVT

Has the sproket come loose from the camshaft? This happens. You'll need to weld it, or get a whole new cam.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 20, 2017, 08:06:53 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 05:15:40 AM
Has the sproket come loose from the camshaft? This happens. You'll need to weld it, or get a whole new cam.



I don't think so. Especially since it still turns over and runs sort of
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 25, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
New belt, no change




Ugh
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: MX793 on January 25, 2017, 06:31:21 PM
Is the tensioner functioning correctly?  Perhaps a bad crank sensor?  Maybe you have a combined fueling and timing issue?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 25, 2017, 06:35:11 PM
Set it on fire.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 26, 2017, 08:25:12 PM
It's a fuel issue. Friend tore into the "new fuel pump"


https://youtu.be/0GMd2dE0Ey4
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 26, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
Oh, it's a decorative fuel fountain.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 26, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Also, the water pump was leaking and the plugs looked bad. So water pump and belt needed done anyways.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Laconian on January 27, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 26, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
Oh, it's a decorative fuel fountain.

Fire fountain
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 06:27:40 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Fire fountain

I love the smell of napalm in the Jetta.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on January 27, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
VW switched the tanks just for the "BBW" engine. So instead of my fuel pump being $50, it's $600.



I found a cheap eBay Chinese knockoff ($89) so fingers crossed
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: giant_mtb on January 27, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
$600 for a fuel pump??  Holy batman, batman.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Rich on January 27, 2017, 10:46:54 AM
That probably explains the shitty one already in there

Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 08:53:49 PM
You can get a hell of a nice fuel pump for $600.
Or a damn good fuel pump for $100 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpn-f30000271/overview/
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Laconian on January 28, 2017, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 27, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
VW switched the tanks just for the "BBW" engine. So instead of my fuel pump being $50, it's $600.

I found a cheap eBay Chinese knockoff ($89) so fingers crossed

https://www.google.com/search?q=bbw&oq=bbw&aqs=chrome..69i57.456j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 29, 2017, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 28, 2017, 12:07:12 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=bbw&oq=bbw&aqs=chrome..69i57.456j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This will require a larger engine, and extra load tires.
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 29, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 28, 2017, 12:07:12 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=bbw&oq=bbw&aqs=chrome..69i57.456j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

God dammit, why did I click on that on my work computer? :cry: :hammerhead:
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on February 23, 2017, 09:41:19 AM
Ooookay, so I probably should have given it to my mechanic rather than my mechanically inclined friend.


Friend insisted on putting on belt. Used too long of a bolt putting it back together and it caught the belt and tore it. However, it tore the belt whilst cranking, (I cranked it literally once) so it didn't turn over at all.


OK, fast forward, new belt on....


and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9cPgPy7f0


Compression is good, and I don't think it'll need a valve job (I'd be angry as fuck if it does).


Right now, I'm thinking a sticky lifter or a bad injector. Who knows what it sucked up with that janky taped together fuel pump....
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 10:36:01 AM
Sticky lifter...do an oil change Seafoam treatment?
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 23, 2017, 12:24:15 PM
italian tuneup
Title: Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
Post by: 2o6 on February 24, 2017, 09:34:10 AM
It's a coil pack.