Man, this crash has really got me doing some soul searching. I realized something was up when it became apparent I was more bummed about crashing the G than my dog dying. And I loved that dog.
I gave people shit about being wrapped up in the image of a car, but I think I'm just as bad as anybody else here. And I derive a lot of pleasure from driving aggressively on public roads. Not sure what the outcome is going to be with the G, but regardless of the outcome I think I'm going to get something mild and civilian. Getting a motorcycle at age 28 rather than age 21 probably saved my life, but I'm not sure I'm mature enough to drive a fast car on public roads.
Wifey wasn't so much pissed as much as she was frank. The way I'm going with the bike and the car, I'm putting myself at serious risk. I've never had a serious crash before... even on the bike. This is the first in nearly 20 yrs of driving. A real wake up call. I'm glad it was at the track and that I'm OK but I think I'm done pushing my luck. Am I blowing this out of proportion?
So what are you thinkin', Sporty? Minivan? Geo Metro? Public transportation? ;)
Probably a 2015+ Golf. Good on gas, practical, dynamically inert, not worth modding, gets out of its own way. I enjoyed the rental I had.
You crashed your car? Get a normal car and a Miata or another car like it as a toy. What image people don't understand is you can have just as much fun (if not more) in a MX-5 going the speed limit then in a fast car driving like a nut.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 05, 2018, 09:20:50 PM
You crashed your car? Get a normal car and a Miata or another car like it as a toy. What image people don't understand is you can have just as much fun (if not more) in a MX-5 going the speed limit then in a fast car driving like a nut.
:hesaid:
I can speak from experience about this scenario, and it's absolutely true. The G37 needs to go really fast for it to be fun - and it can go fast, certainly, but the safety and legal stakes just get too high.
Get something loud and low, and not too powerful. The sensation of speed is psychological, and you can scratch that itch more safely with something that gives you more sensory engagement.
Quote from: Laconian on May 05, 2018, 09:58:55 PM
:hesaid:
I can speak from experience about this scenario, and it's absolutely true. The G37 needs to go really fast for it to be fun - and it can go fast, certainly, but the safety and legal stakes just get too high.
Get something loud and low, and not too powerful. The sensation of speed is psychological, and you can scratch that itch more safely with something that gives you more sensory engagement.
A lowered El Camino is perfect for this as well. :rockon:
The awesome sensory experience of being low to the ground is what makes me prefer a small, quick car vs. a motorcycle. A shifter kart is mind boggling fun.
I wanna try a shifter kart <_<
Regular karts are enough for me
I had something loud and low... the Civic... but it was too slow. Plus I want to try and become an automotive civilian and stop seeking thrills on every drive. The most I wanna do is maybe pass slow pokes on 2 lane roads. Other than that :huh: I have to compartmentalize real world driving from sim racing + karting.
I don't find it hard to drive responsibly in a fast car. :huh:
I'll gun it every once in a while when the road is clear, but otherwise it's easy to drive normally. Maybe you need a gas hog so your wallet will force you to drive normally. :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 05, 2018, 10:39:36 PM
Regular karts are enough for me
I had something loud and low... the Civic... but it was too slow. Plus I want to try and become an automotive civilian and stop seeking thrills on every drive. The most I wanna do is maybe pass slow pokes on 2 lane roads. Other than that :huh: I have to compartmentalize real world driving from sim racing + karting.
Well, that's not a bad realization to have, but it's important to strike the right balance instead of depriving yourself outright. Otherwise you're gonna fall off the wagon.
Sporty, I'm glad you're OK.
The limited info I have or am assuming is you crashed your G while tracking it and you could have seriously injured or killed yourself but luckily did not. Now you are reconsidering tracking your car, owning a motorcycle, and driving aggressively on public roads.
Maybe consider autocrossing. Much safer.
Consider a pony car.
The car he has currently is essentially a Japanese pony car.
Quote from: Laconian on May 06, 2018, 12:46:50 AM
The car he has currently is essentially a Japanese pony car.
Yeah that's true.
So is the G totaled? Show a pic of it. What happened?
Is there a thread about this crash? Glad you are ok.
Get something intelligent like a CRV and do a driving school once or twice a year.
Jesus christ man, I'm glad you're ok
I would 100% go Miata if I were you, but idk how your wife would feel about it, and idk if you'd be cool transporting your daughter in it. GTI is a very solid option.
car chat, pg. 149
You are overblowing this IMO. The main thing to be learned is not that cars & track days are super dangerous.
If you had performance driving training the risk would go down by an order of magnitude. And after this you'll learn to be a bit more afraid of pushing beyond your limits. That's it.
You can continue to enjoy fast driving, just better trained and wiser.
I've been tracking for 12 years now. Probably close to 100 events. Crashes are very rare.
You should never track a DD in my opinion. One of the cars should be cheap so you can afford the other. I second the Miata toy car option.
Fix the G, sell the bike, buy a cheap Miata for autox.
Wait. Crash?
Most important thing is never crash.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on May 06, 2018, 03:23:35 PM
You are overblowing this IMO. The main thing to be learned is not that cars & track days are super dangerous.
If you had performance driving training the risk would go down by an order of magnitude. And after this you'll learn to be a bit more afraid of pushing beyond your limits. That's it.
You can continue to enjoy fast driving, just better trained and wiser.
I've been tracking for 12 years now. Probably close to 100 events. Crashes are very rare.
It's def dangerous. I made it more dangerous than it needed to be, but it's dangerous.
Improving my skills as a driver is still something I enjoy and will prioritize, but track days won't be a part of that pursuit. At least not for now. I'm spooked.
A 3rd car is not really something I want either... the way our driveway/garage is it's just a pain for something I will only use a few times a year. Probably good to stop dumping money into mods and shit too right now. Just having a 180 on my whole approach.
Dude a fun car can be cheap. And just parked on the street or in a public place.
Or just auto-x.
Sounds like you just made the classic mistake of getting in over your head with too little experience.
Take some time to reevaluate what you enjoy, and if it's going fast go to a school or two and/or have someone with experience in the passenger seat
YEa I am just going to take some time off.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 06, 2018, 04:48:13 PM
Most important thing is never crash.
Especially while bobsledding :mask:
Quote from: Laconian on May 06, 2018, 07:14:08 PM
Especially while bobsledding :mask:
Thought it was a toboggan
All of the nearest tracks to here won't let somebody fly solo at their first HPDE. All of them require you show documented proof you've attended several HPDEs and/or a recognized performance driving school (Skip Barber or similar) else you get classed as a novice and are required to have an instructor riding shotgun. I question any venue that lets anybody with a car and a driver's license show up and run hot laps solo with other cars on course without previous track experience.
The solution is not necessarily to hang it up, but to learn. You jumped in over your head by going straight to hot-lapping solo on a track, in what's really a pretty fast car, without ever having any formal instruction or even having anything like autocross under your belt. Hell, I've been autocrossing for years and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable pushing it hard on a proper race track in anything faster than an old Miata without some formal instruction. Go to an actual performance driving school. Enter some autocrosses where you can explore your car's limits at lower, safer speeds (and also get instruction, you can almost always find some seasoned vet willing to ride shotgun and provide some useful feedback) at an affordable price. Learn proper technique. Learn how to handle your car with the nannies off.
Aggressive driving belongs on a closed course, not the street. If this ordeal opens your eyes to reckless driving habits and slows you down on the street, then perhaps it's the wake up call you needed and thankfully it was one that came without you or someone else getting hurt. Based on some of your posts about the G being a "handful" on the street and needing to leave the nannies on all the time for fear of spinning out on public streets had me seriously questioning your driving habits. Even with bald tires, you shouldn't be pushing hard enough on the street to regularly be leaning on the nannies or even coming close to the limit. Even in the wet. If you have to significantly back it down when it rains or the road is wet, you drive too aggressively on the street.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 05, 2018, 11:40:47 PM
I don't find it hard to drive responsibly in a fast car. :huh:
I'll gun it every once in a while when the road is clear, but otherwise it's easy to drive normally. Maybe you need a gas hog so your wallet will force you to drive normally. :lol:
WORD.....
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 06, 2018, 07:28:49 PM
Roasted :lol:
God damn, take that man back to the hospital, but this time to the burn ward.
This is normal. You had a crash—you failed at something you enjoy and it hurt your pride and your wallet. It's normal feel like this right now.
The problem is multilevel. One, track driving is very demanding on the car and the driver, and it's a considerable amount of dangerous as well. You were doing it in problem number two—a big fat pig of a modern luxury family sedan and your daily driver. It's just not a car that belongs on a track. And it's not fun to drive on the road because it's such a big fat pig that you need to be going a million miles an hour to enjoy it. That's why a car like the Miata is so special. I've driven and NA and an NC and they were both wonderful to drive at and around legal speeds. You can drive within your talent level and still have fun. And you can probably take it to a track without modification and still have fun—you're not going to be mistaken for Lewis Hamilton, but let's face it—even the best driver among us is total dogshit compared to an F1 driver and we're all too old to turn pro. So when we're driving hard, it's about having fun and feeling the car. You're a little shaken up, that's no reason to pack it all in. Last summer I almost took a Ford to the face when it just about ran a red light and I was barely able to squirt by. A low, light car with a t-shirt for a roof isn't the best car for surviving being t-boned by a 4000 pound sedan. Made me rethink this sports car everyday thing for like a second. I can drive hard all day, everyday and my life would be in my hands, but if that car hadn't applied the brakes and I hadn't put on the gas, the grille of the car would have hit me right in the head, without so much as a window between us. It's normal to question things after big events happen. Plus, you're a parent now, and I'm sure you're think about your kid as well. Priorities change when you have a child, that's also normal.
You say you don't want a third car that you'll only drive a couple of times a year—I really don't think it'll be the case unless you decide to modify it beyond being able to drive daily. Where you live, there are probably 10-20 days a year that aren't top down weather. I bet if you got a Miata, you'd be driving it multiple times a month, if not multiple times a week. Then, something like a Golf for trips to the market and taking Sporty Jr to wherever parents take their kids rounds out the household.
Point is, thinking about this stuff is fine, just don't be hasty. No need to trade everything in for a Toyota Avalon just yet.
Raza is wise ^^
Quote from: Laconian on May 06, 2018, 07:14:08 PM
Especially while bobsledding :mask:
................... you just melted my fake teeth with that burn.
Aw, I didn't mean it to burn that badly. ;)
Just heart burn
Quote from: Raza on May 07, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
This is normal. You had a crash—you failed at something you enjoy and it hurt your pride and your wallet. It's normal feel like this right now.
The problem is multilevel. One, track driving is very demanding on the car and the driver, and it's a considerable amount of dangerous as well. You were doing it in problem number two—a big fat pig of a modern luxury family sedan and your daily driver. It's just not a car that belongs on a track. And it's not fun to drive on the road because it's such a big fat pig that you need to be going a million miles an hour to enjoy it. That's why a car like the Miata is so special. I've driven and NA and an NC and they were both wonderful to drive at and around legal speeds. You can drive within your talent level and still have fun. And you can probably take it to a track without modification and still have fun—you're not going to be mistaken for Lewis Hamilton, but let's face it—even the best driver among us is total dogshit compared to an F1 driver and we're all too old to turn pro. So when we're driving hard, it's about having fun and feeling the car. You're a little shaken up, that's no reason to pack it all in. Last summer I almost took a Ford to the face when it just about ran a red light and I was barely able to squirt by. A low, light car with a t-shirt for a roof isn't the best car for surviving being t-boned by a 4000 pound sedan. Made me rethink this sports car everyday thing for like a second. I can drive hard all day, everyday and my life would be in my hands, but if that car hadn't applied the brakes and I hadn't put on the gas, the grille of the car would have hit me right in the head, without so much as a window between us. It's normal to question things after big events happen. Plus, you're a parent now, and I'm sure you're think about your kid as well. Priorities change when you have a child, that's also normal.
You say you don't want a third car that you'll only drive a couple of times a year—I really don't think it'll be the case unless you decide to modify it beyond being able to drive daily. Where you live, there are probably 10-20 days a year that aren't top down weather. I bet if you got a Miata, you'd be driving it multiple times a month, if not multiple times a week. Then, something like a Golf for trips to the market and taking Sporty Jr to wherever parents take their kids rounds out the household.
Point is, thinking about this stuff is fine, just don't be hasty. No need to trade everything in for a Toyota Avalon just yet.
This is a great post. A 3rd car adds a lot of expense though. Insurance, maintenance, plus Sporty's parking situation. G doesn't feel fun at road legal speeds. Civic felt underpowered. Miata isn't useful when you have kids.
Could get a great deal on a Focus ST right now...
He just totaled a car with a loan. The added cost of a 3rd car is a drop in the bucket in comparison.
But yeah, I'll just go ahead and say it. It's not the type of the car that's the problem.
Quote from: MrH on May 07, 2018, 04:50:04 PM
He just totaled a car with a loan. The added cost of a 3rd car is a drop in the bucket in comparison.
But yeah, I'll just go ahead and say it. It's not the type of the car that's the problem.
That last sentence is surely true.
? The type of car might be a problem... for Sporty. It's a valid point. Just like an overweight person might want to stay away from Indian buffets. ;)
Quote from: MrH on May 07, 2018, 04:50:04 PM
He just totaled a car with a loan. The added cost of a 3rd car is a drop in the bucket in comparison.
But yeah, I'll just go ahead and say it. It's not the type of the car that's the problem.
You're not wrong. But getting something like a Focus ST won't help. I have to compartmentalize. Driving fun for me = pushing the limits, period. So I don't want something that encourages that on the street.
Well just get another normal car and drive it from point A to B like a normal person. But hopefully not texting and jerking off like most normal people. Then years down the road if you've got the room get a track day car for just fun.
Room was the only reason I don't have 4 cars right now but sometimes being an adult and doing the "smart" thing sucks ass.
The cost of a third car is minimal... You usually get an insurance discount and maintenance is negligible as your not putting on many miles
Well unless you live in one of those states that tax you yearly on all your possessions... I guess that could add up
Quote from: Onslaught on May 07, 2018, 07:13:10 PM
Well just get another normal car and drive it from point A to B like a normal person. But hopefully not texting and jerking off like most normal people. Then years down the road if you've got the room get a track day car for just fun.
Room was the only reason I don't have 4 cars right now but sometimes being an adult and doing the "smart" thing sucks ass.
That's what I'm going to try to do. Driving is like eating. Every meal can't be cheeseburgers and Pop Tarts. If I get the itch I can always come back. 350Zs should be dirt cheap by then
I have to lol at Raza's incessant insecurity WRT to the G37. Sweet Jesus there's a lot to unpack there, but the audience doesn't need a rehash (or does it :dance: ?).
I think it's more about the consequences; I don't want to come off as lecture-y, so I'll just say one can enjoy motorsports without incurring damages or engaging in risk.
I have my struggles on the road, too. And actually quite a bit. For me it's not about taking risk but I don't suffer morons or assholes well at all. But I know enough that it's not the car.
How about scratching the itch by karting? Get some instruction, not too ruinously expensive, safe.
Kevin, your point about the G being no fun unless it's going fast is right on the money; that's my experience too.
So wait, was 12,000 RPM's car totaled? I thought from the other thread the damage wasn't too bad and it would be getting fixed.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 08, 2018, 06:02:19 AM
So wait, was 12,000 RPM's car totaled? I thought from the other thread the damage wasn't too bad and it would be getting fixed.
I don't think it is, but it could add up really fast and its possible.
I'm hoping to find out today. The picture was deceiving... Everything in front of the wheels was shifted about 6 inches to the right. Frame damage looks possible, the car was loaded in shear upon impact.
Looks totaled to me - hood, fender, headlight, front fascia, and possibly structural bits, scrunched A-pillar and suspension damage (front left wheel looks out of whack, though that may be optics). Wouldn't be surprised by a $10k+ bill...
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 08, 2018, 06:25:09 AM
I'm hoping to find out today. The picture was deceiving... Everything in front of the wheels was shifted about 6 inches to the right. Frame damage looks possible, the car was loaded in shear upon impact.
Yeah, totalled
The question is; does insurance know how and where it happened?
They most likely won't cover it if they know it was on a track.
Jesus
Start a go fund me sporty. I'll donate since I encouraged this.
Also, just get an F-150. You'll fit in with NC, it won't encourage the hoon, and since you have a house you can carry all kinds of house related shenanigans.
I dunno, man; short bed crew-cab F-150 with the 5.0L sounds pretty fun.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
I dunno, man; short bed crew-cab F-150 with the 5.0L sounds pretty fun.
in a straight line. Turns, not at all.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 08, 2018, 06:30:07 AM
Yeah, totalled
The question is; does insurance know how and where it happened?
They most likely won't cover it if they know it was on a track.
They don't know anything yet. IDK about a GoFundMe but I am accepting PayPal donations :lol: PM me if serious. Worst comes to worst hopefully I can get a few grand for scrap. Wheels and tires should be another 1000-1500 or so.
F150s are expensive as fuck here, I already have something in mind.
A few grand for scrap?? The hell are the scrap prices in your area? :confused:
Or do you just mean parting it out? Which is a PITA outside of basics like wheels/tires.
It's totalled. Copart offered 2 grand sight unseen. Hoping pictures will up that a little bit. See what LKQ says and I'm gonna get an insurance lawyer to look at my policy. What a mess.
You'll probably have to do a little leg work and fight with your insurance to get that number up. When I totaled my old car, i spent about 3 weeks e-mailing and calling the insurance people to get the most money out of it. I'm not sure about your policy, but for me they tried to get me market price of my car. They did this by looking at the most comparable cars near me and adjusted up/down for mileage and condition then took an average of 10 cars. Its important to ask for their backup since the cheapest cars are almost always not around long and usually drive the average down. Also look at your State laws, but in Illinois they are obligated to reimburse the tax as well. So if the totaled value was 10K, they would have to give me 10,775 since that would be the sales tax on the 10K. If you have receipts for the rims/tires, might as well throw those at them too and try get the value up.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 08, 2018, 08:08:25 AM
It's totalled. Copart offered 2 grand sight unseen. Hoping pictures will up that a little bit. See what LKQ says and I'm gonna get an insurance lawyer to look at my policy. What a mess.
Your insurance is only offering you 2 grand? What year car was this?
My mom was in a fender bender a while back and she got more than that (~3500 IIRC) and her 2005 TSX was on its second engine and was not in great shape IMO.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 08, 2018, 07:56:04 AM
A few grand for scrap?? The hell are the scrap prices in your area? :confused:
Or do you just mean parting it out? Which is a PITA outside of basics like wheels/tires.
Yeah. My Mazda went for $650 at a scrap auction. Plenty of serviceable parts (engine and transmission were still good).
Fuuuuuuuuuuck man, I am so sorry to hear that. Especially because I loved your G37- barring the auto, it's exactly the G37 I would have.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
I dunno, man; short bed crew-cab F-150 with the 5.0L sounds pretty fun.
:lol:
I may have had all four wheels off the ground in one.
Back in the day. Dumb kids in their friends' dad's truck. They really should have closed off all the dirt roads right behind the high school.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.254436,-110.9764797,532m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
zoom out a little bit- and those are hills!!!! Stupid street view isn't working for me here at work, check it out....
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 08, 2018, 06:30:07 AM
Yeah, totalled
The question is; does insurance know how and where it happened?
They most likely won't cover it if they know it was on a track.
I'd go find a lawyer, but there's no way my insurance would cover this
BTW Sporty, just my opinion:
High-power cars are the wrong kinds to go have fun in. You can't push them to the limit without absolute ludicrous actions. Look at all the wrecked supercars from inexperienced drivers.
On the other hand, I really super enjoyed my Miata. It was stock. Nothing like whipping a corner, or mashing the gas to the floor through 4 gears and practicing shifting, while still not breaking speed limits or driving dangerously. I drove that thing HARD to work and back and never got less than 28mpg.
Safer than a motorcycle, and no helmet needed!
Plus you could satisfy your ricer itch. :mask: Plenty you could do with it as you get comfortable with it.
Insurance isn't going to cover it. There isn't going to anything to fight over.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 08, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
I'd go find a lawyer, but there's no way my insurance would cover this
No insurance company on the planet will cover an accident on a track save MAYBE if you were participating in some kind of safe driver training (and that's a huge maybe). There are stories abound of insurance companies dropping people after getting wind that they took their cars to a track or dragstrip.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 07, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
You're not wrong. But getting something like a Focus ST won't help. I have to compartmentalize. Driving fun for me = pushing the limits, period. So I don't want something that encourages that on the street.
There were a multitude of bad decisions that added up and resulted in this. Not a single one of them was because you bought a G37 instead of a different car.
Quote from: MX793 on May 08, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
No insurance company on the planet will cover an accident on a track save MAYBE if you were participating in some kind of safe driver training (and that's a huge maybe). There are stories abound of insurance companies dropping people after getting wind that they took their cars to a track or dragstrip.
I know, I figured it might be worth a college try
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 08, 2018, 09:05:41 AM
BTW Sporty, just my opinion:
High-power cars are the wrong kinds to go have fun in. You can't push them to the limit without absolute ludicrous actions. Look at all the wrecked supercars from inexperienced drivers.
On the other hand, I really super enjoyed my Miata. It was stock. Nothing like whipping a corner, or mashing the gas to the floor through 4 gears and practicing shifting, while still not breaking speed limits or driving dangerously. I drove that thing HARD to work and back and never got less than 28mpg.
Safer than a motorcycle, and no helmet needed!
Plus you could satisfy your ricer itch. :mask: Plenty you could do with it as you get comfortable with it.
Old VW Beetles with 120 hp stroker motors are crazy awesome.
Quote from: MX793 on May 08, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
No insurance company on the planet will cover an accident on a track save MAYBE if you were participating in some kind of safe driver training (and that's a huge maybe). There are stories abound of insurance companies dropping people after getting wind that they took their cars to a track or dragstrip.
That's dependant on the language in the policy. Since (I presume) the event wasn't timed or considered a "race" or "competition" there might be some wiggle room
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 08, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
I'd go find a lawyer, but there's no way my insurance would cover this
If they don't know now, don't tell them where.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 08, 2018, 09:16:20 AM
I know, I figured it might be worth a college try
Not condoning anything, but it wouldn't be the first time someone took their damaged car and drove it into a tree, then reported it to insurance.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 08, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
Not condoning anything, but it wouldn't be the first time someone took their damaged car and drove it into a tree, then reported it to insurance.
He better delete this & the Car Chat thread
That would be felonious insurance fraud. Stop encouraging sporty to make terrible decisions. He doesn't need any help :lol:
Quote from: MrH on May 08, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
That would be felonious insurance fraud. Stop encouraging sporty to make terrible decisions. He doesn't need any help :lol:
Not if he actually does hit the tree, it isn't. I mean, OK, it still is, but you've heard of little white lies right? This is a little white felony.
We don't get little white felonies. DA would make an example of me
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 08, 2018, 11:18:33 AM
We don't get little white felonies. DA would make an example of me
:lockedup: :mask:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 08, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Your insurance is only offering you 2 grand? What year car was this?
My mom was in a fender bender a while back and she got more than that (~3500 IIRC) and her 2005 TSX was on its second engine and was not in great shape IMO.
"Scrap" implies it's not an insurance claim but whatever he can get from some random junkyard or w/e in current condition.
Even beyond that sounds like he's not covered, and if he owes on the car, the balance is due immediately. Not fun.
I remember seeing Danica Patrick being asked for advice in an interview about best practices for those who want to get on the track.
The number one thing was don't use your daily driver: even if it isn't wrecked, the time & cost of replacing consumables (brakes, rotors, tires etc) is huge. So an appliance car for the family & transportation needs, and a more-or-less dedicated car like a Miata for the track.
I think your initial thought of a Golf for home use was a good one. Get a 4-door though. Wrestling a baby seat into the back seat of a 2-door is a nightmare.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
"Scrap" implies it's not an insurance claim but whatever he can get from some random junkyard or w/e in current condition.
Even beyond that sounds like he's not covered, and if he owes on the car, the balance is due immediately. Not fun.
That makes more sense.
Crappy situation, but I guess we all live and learn.
Suddenly that $2-$3k for a weekend driving school doesn't seem so "expensive".
I've never understood the appeal of tracking a daily driver - tires/brakes/consumables, extra wear and tear plus making sure you're covered under insurance.
While the financial implications of this suck, you didn't get physically hurt so it's all gonna be OK. You lost the car and maybe still owe money on it after getting whatever you can for it.
I lost 150 grand because I bought my first home during late 2006 and a few years later the housing market crashed. Shit happens. It'll all end up fine regarding your G situation because all the ingredients are still on the table. Sound mind and body, good family situation, meaningful employment. This may be the nidus for transitioning from more risk taking to less risk taking. Doesn't mean it can't still be fun.
Yeah, I definitely can't get behind insurance fraud, no matter how shitty the insurance industry is. It's only money, you'll make more.
Quote from: Raza on May 09, 2018, 01:21:53 PM
Yeah, I definitely can't get behind insurance fraud, no matter how shitty the insurance industry is. It's only money, you'll make more.
What about arson?
Quote from: RomanChariot on May 09, 2018, 02:36:35 PM
Does that involve a shovel?
It could, depending on who you get to help.
I would read the small print & undertakings in the insurance policy and be doing all I could not to be moved to a higher risk category.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 09, 2018, 01:24:51 PM
What about arson?
Depends on whether it's before or after the fact.
Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2018, 02:47:55 PM
I would read the small print & undertakings in the insurance policy and be doing all I could not to be moved to a higher risk category.
No info + no claim = no fraud
Got approved for another loan before closing the old one out... hopefully I can pick up ride #9 this weekend.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 09, 2018, 04:49:34 PM
No info + no claim = no fraud
Got approved for another loan before closing the old one out... hopefully I can pick up ride #9 this weekend.
Are you leaning towards any particular make or model?
Not a Miata, because we're all saying Miata, and he's too much of a contrarian.
CRV.
Too mainstream.
Escape Platinum?
Lol
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 09, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
Lowered, staggered wheels,stretch and poke.
They do make coilovers for CR-Vs but not in the last generation. The most this thing will get are some wheels/tires.
1995 Buick Roadmaster wagon or bust.
Quote from: MX793 on May 09, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
1995 Buick Roadmaster wagon or bust.
Dude.
I would be so pissed if he found a nice one.
MDX.......
Quote from: MX793 on May 09, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
1995 Buick Roadmaster wagon or bust.
Dat LT1. Detuned a bit for the GM whale bodies at 260 hp, but not bad, not bad at all.
He's obviously getting a slightly used RDX.
Nah.
He's getting a VW golf.
Not a Golf, not an SUV. I have a Maxima rental now, it's in that vein.
Mazda6 Turbo.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3951502.1524578941!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/2018-mazda-mazda6-signature-soul-red-crystal-front-quarter.jpg)
Accord?
You've said before you've really liked the Maxima. That's a good choice if that's what you decide to do.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 09, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
He's obviously getting a slightly used RDX.
Actually, that's a great idea
CPO Accord Sport.
TSX Waggin?
Toyota Yaris iA
Wrangler with three lightbars.
Accord or Civic Si?
Quote from: Rockraven on May 10, 2018, 02:02:11 PM
Who the hell are you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5kmCgVhADY
ES350 and street stock dirt racecar. You're in damn Charlotte after all.
Camry SPORT
Quote from: 68_427 on May 10, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
ES350 and street stock dirt racecar. You're in damn Charlotte after all.
I could never get past the clitoral hood center stack in the XV40s
(http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/26253733+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/modp_0909_05_o%2B2010_lexus_es_350%2Binterior.jpg)
XV60 looks nice but I don't want to roll the dice on that stupid ass mouse controller
(https://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/es-6th-gen-2013-present/277093d1364051336-starfire-2013-es350-with-criollo-interior-img_2240.jpg)
I'm shopping mostly from the inside out as that's what I'll see most of the time
Those are Lexii.
Volvo then.
This seems timely...
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/)
Quote from: MX793 on May 11, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
This seems timely...
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/)
Pretty good article.
Quote from: MX793 on May 11, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
This seems timely...
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/)
Hahaha, yea this story is 1000% about me. I was just talking to him today about potential replacements.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 11, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
Hahaha, yea this story is 1000% about me. I was just talking to him today about potential replacements.
Build my CJ-5 racecar concept.
Wait, what about an IS250/IS300?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 11, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
Hahaha, yea this story is 1000% about me. I was just talking to him today about potential replacements.
Wait a second; you were just talking to Baruth?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 11, 2018, 11:11:07 AM
Build my CJ-5 racecar concept.
CJ-2. Flat fenders boi.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 11, 2018, 11:46:50 AM
CJ-2. Flat fenders boi.
That would be ideal, although probably more rare and valuable?
Or 4Runner
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 11, 2018, 12:01:05 PM
That would be ideal, although probably more rare...
A lot...
Quote... and valuable?
... and a LOT...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 11, 2018, 11:45:50 AM
Wait a second; you were just talking to Baruth?
Yes, we follow each other on Instagram. When he saw my crash post he offered his condolences and encouragement. Contrarian trolling good dude just like me :lol:
Quote from: 93JC on May 11, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
A lot...
... and a LOT...
In good condition, non-reproduction? Yes.
In the sort of shape you'd start a project like that, or as a good new steel body?
About the same.
Do they make new bodies for CJ-2s like they do for 32 Fords?
CJ-2s were prototypes; only about 40 of them were made. If you find one...
(https://i.giphy.com/media/9zoXcah600aT6/giphy.webp)
They are worth $Texas.
New CJ-2A body parts are easily obtainable (and they made hundreds of thousands of them back in the '40s). You can build a repro CJ-2A with entirely new parts.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 11, 2018, 01:47:45 PM
Do they make new bodies for CJ-2s like they do for 32 Fords?
https://www.kaiserwillys.com/category/body/tubs-kits/replacement-body-tub-kits
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 11, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Yes, we follow each other on Instagram. When he saw my crash post he offered his condolences and encouragement. Contrarian trolling good dude just like me :lol:
:rockon:
Quote from: 93JC on May 11, 2018, 01:50:22 PM
CJ-2s were prototypes; only about 40 of them were made. If you find one...
(https://i.giphy.com/media/9zoXcah600aT6/giphy.webp)
They are worth $Texas.
New CJ-2A body parts are easily obtainable (and they made hundreds of thousands of them back in the '40s). You can build a repro CJ-2A with entirely new parts.
Yes, you knew which one I meant
Quote from: MX793 on May 11, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
This seems timely...
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a20650198/so-youve-just-crashed-your-daily-driver-at-a-trackday-now-what/)
The HOT HATCH incident made me LOL!!!!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 11, 2018, 01:53:00 PM
https://www.kaiserwillys.com/category/body/tubs-kits/replacement-body-tub-kits
Nice. That's probably cheaper than buying an original one & doing bodywork.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 11, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
Nice. That's probably cheaper than buying an original one & doing bodywork.
Since all the ones I see look like Swiss cheese, yeah.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 11, 2018, 11:45:41 AM
yuck
Idk I have ~4 weeks of seat time in a 2012 IS250 (IS300 as it's badged in the UAE) and I honestly like it alot. It's super comfortable, has actual cooled seats instead of ventilated, the Mark Levinson sound system is better than the Meridian in the Range Rover Autobiography I also had for a couple days, and in 6 years it's only needed wear items and a new battery.
It also has a small interior.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 11, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
It also has a small interior.
Yes but it'll fit a forward facing child seat once his daughter is at that point, and until then they have the Lincoln.
I will say even in rwd the mpg is just so so. Better than the G but that's not saying much with only 210hp.
I pick up my daughter from day care so a big back seat is key. Something as big as the G inside is the minimum
I have landed on my pick.... a very interesting one that wouldn't even have crossed my mind if a YT review hadn't popped up in my subscriptions today
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 11, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
I pick up my daughter from day care so a big back seat is key. Something as big as the G inside is the minimum
I have landed on my pick.... a very interesting one that wouldn't even have crossed my mind if a YT review hadn't popped up in my subscriptions today
I knew it! A Nissan Rogue Sport.
Stinger?
It's one Civic Del Sol towing another Del Sol.
Hm how about an old LS460?
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 12, 2018, 10:03:47 AM
Hm how about an old LS460?
I was literally going to look at one this morning but Jack talked me out of it. No Bluetooth! Worse gas mileage than the G. Not super quick. Kind of cramped inside. Damn if they don't look good though.
At a dealership now.
Fuck Jack Baruth
https://m.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Chaser-Avante-G/153011386415?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1
LS460 kinda cramped? The fuck?
Avalon.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 12, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Fuck Jack Baruth
Also this.
Make your own damn decisions, sporty.
Why not just fix the G out of pocket
It's a Buick enclave... I know it
If its Jack, its a last generation Toyota Camera SE with summer tires.
Sporty, how many seconds elapsed between the "oh shit" after crunching the G, and starting mental analysis & evaluation of its replacement candidates?
Quote from: 2o6 on May 12, 2018, 11:27:10 AM
Why not just fix the G out of pocket
Multiple estimates came in for more than what I paid for it
Quote from: Morris Minor on May 12, 2018, 12:41:33 PM
Sporty, how many seconds elapsed between the "oh shit" after crunching the G, and starting mental analysis & evaluation of its replacement candidates?
Thousands... as Jack said I went through the 5 stages of grief. I knew whatever replaced it couldn't be as enticing or exciting so there was no joy in that decision process.
Welp... here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/jpPwJvT.jpg)
savageese posted a review of the Stinger and it got the gears turning. Obviously not the G but it's as nice inside for sure. Pretty sure they gave me a tank of 87 which sucks but I drove some other ones and it does OK. It's just enough power wise. Panoramic roof, vented seats... very cool. The wheel gap does bother me but other than that I'll leave it alone.
Side note, it seems like every black person I know who lives in the South, drives an upper-level Kia.
Also, the Optima is a pretty sedan. Good Choice!
What next for the G?
The one of the phones in the BT list of one I drove was "DeQuanna's Iphone".... my car has a Drake CD in it... you may be right :lol:
G is going to whichever of LQK or Copart gives me a bigger offer. Pulling the wheels + my personal effects and sending it off.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
The one of the phones in the BT list of one I drove was "DeQuanna's Iphone".... my car has a Drake CD in it... you may be right :lol:
G is going to whichever of LQK or Copart gives me a bigger offer. Pulling the wheels + my personal effects and sending it off.
Craigslist it, it's got a clean title. Bet you can get $5000, minimum.
Kia Optima is one of the better looking sedans IMO.
Is it a turbo?
Sweet. How many miles/what year, what kind of options? Post some pics dude
2013, 78K, fully loaded... heated/cooled seats, panoramic roof, nav etc. etc.
Needs some detailing before I post exterior pics
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
The one of the phones in the BT list of one I drove was "DeQuanna's Iphone".... my car has a Drake CD in it... you may be right :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
The one of the phones in the BT list of one I drove was "DeQuanna's Iphone".... my car has a Drake CD in it... you may be right :lol:
G is going to whichever of LQK or Copart gives me a bigger offer. Pulling the wheels + my personal effects and sending it off.
Lol. look at the depression behind the driver's door. How bad are the nail scratches? Do the wear patterns in the floor mat say "high heels," (smallish and often cut-through), or sneakers (rubbing over a large area, bit no cuts).
Nothing like looking at these things to bring out your inner Sherlock.
Nice car.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 12, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Side note, it seems like every black person I know who lives in the South, drives an upper-level Kia.
Also, the Optima is a pretty sedan. Good Choice!
What next for the G?
They're assembled in West Point GA. so def a Southern car.
Congrats, Sporty - good choice.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 01:28:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jpPwJvT.jpg)
Handsome.
My in-laws bought their second Sorrento last year and it is LOADED with cool stuff. Hope you love yours as much as they do theirs.
Thumbs up from me. :ohyeah: I hope it proves to be a good choice.
I'm confused. Did you get a Kia Stinger or Kia Optima? Your post indicated it was a Stinger but a lot of replies have said they like the styling of the Kia Optima?
I got an Optima. I saw the review of the Stinger and started looking at Kias.
Ahh. A forced self imposed celibacy from the track.
I'm surprised you didn't get something like a Maxima or Lexus. Didn't realize Optimas had an option of cooled seats. When I was younger I used the cooled seats all the time when driving with my wife who liked the ambient air temp very warm.
Optimas are good looking. It's too bad as a 2nd owner you don't get the 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, but since you're not going to be tracking it anyways, I'm sure your engine and transmission will last a good while anyways :lol:
Congratulations!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YXHLQiBbI
As a body man I'm happy to hear another Korean car is on the road. Hyundai's and Kia's are the easiest cars in the world to work on. I'd do nothing but them all day if I could.
Hopefully I never need your services :lol:
You know what, I forgot you are a body man. We need to talk offline.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 02:39:42 PM
2013, 78K, fully loaded... heated/cooled seats, panoramic roof, nav etc. etc.
Needs some detailing before I post exterior pics
Well there's a ton of detailing info & advice on this forum.
(Best thing I got was the mitt that does the work of a clay bar.)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2018, 01:28:20 PM
Multiple estimates came in for more than what I paid for it
Thousands... as Jack said I went through the 5 stages of grief. I knew whatever replaced it couldn't be as enticing or exciting so there was no joy in that decision process.
Welp... here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/jpPwJvT.jpg)
savageese posted a review of the Stinger and it got the gears turning. Obviously not the G but it's as nice inside for sure. Pretty sure they gave me a tank of 87 which sucks but I drove some other ones and it does OK. It's just enough power wise. Panoramic roof, vented seats... very cool. The wheel gap does bother me but other than that I'll leave it alone.
Very nice choice. Good luck with it, it's amazing how nice the Korean cars have gotten.
Yes H/K cars come apart very easily.
Good choice, Sporty. More pics, please!
Any Kimchi with the deal? ....Ha, just kidding. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on May 15, 2018, 10:43:54 AM
Good choice, Sporty. More pics, please!
Thanks! I want to get the paint right before I take pics. Just needs a polish I think.
Bit by bit I'm more and more impressed with the car. Steering is pretty nice though a bit lacking in feel. Engine feels about as quick as the G up to like 4500 which is fine for the street. Interior is every bit as nice if not nicer. Only big meaningful downgrade surprisingly is the infotainment. Going to have to go aftermarket which will get me Android Auto and general 21st century functionality. Some odds and ends here and there and I do need to change the pads and close the damn wheel gap, but outside of that it's pretty good.
I will say as heavy as the G was it was definitely a much more serious platform. This feels a little noodly and cheap by comparison, but hey, it's a mainstream sedan. I think they made the most out of it and in any case that's not what I'm using it for.