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Title: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: cawimmer430 on December 04, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range

Three months after the announcement of their partnership, Nikola and Iveco have unveiled their first battery electric truck for Europe, the Nikola Tre.

Unlike the namesake concept revealed last year, this Nikola Tre is a different model based on the Iveco S-Way heavy-duty truck launched last July in Madrid. That is obvious looking at the photos as the Tre electric truck features a very similar exterior with only minor modifications.

(https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nikola-TRE-electric-truck-3.jpg)

Those include the illuminated 'N' logo at the top of the grille and additional fog lamps connected with the headlights via vertical LED DRLs. The Nikola Tre integrates Nikola's advanced electric technology and new-generation proprietary infotainment system which significantly changes the appearance of the dashboard compared to the S-Way.

The integration of Nikola design cues on the Iveco S-Way has been jointly carried out by Nikola and Italdesign. The Italian design house also signed the first maquette of Nikola Tre unveiled in April 2019.

(https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nikola-TRE-electric-truck-2.jpg)

Mind you, what matters more than the design is the technology. The Nikola Tre packs a modular battery system with a total capacity of up to 720 kWh, which can be tailored to match different customers' needs. The vehicle displayed at the unveiling is a Nikola Tre 4×2 tractor for regional missions offering a range of up to 400 km (248 miles).

The electric driveline will deliver 480 KW (644 HP / 653 PS) Continuous Power Output and 1,800 Nm (1,328 lb-ft) of peak torque. The truck will also be available in 2- and 3-axle rigid versions, with GVW ranging from 18 to 26 tonnes (39,683 – 57,320 lbs) for urban distribution and municipality missions.

Nikola Motor Company promises a dynamic performance "equal or better than a diesel equivalent model. The Nikola Tre will debut in production form at the IAA 2020 commercial vehicle exhibition in Hannover, Germany, with the first units scheduled to reach customers in 2021. Interestingly, Nikola says the all-electric Tre is the first step on the path towards the fuel cell electric model (FCEV), which will be based on the Tre and will become available by 2023.


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Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/12/nikola-tre-electric-truck-for-europe-boasts-644-hp-248-miles-400-km-of-range/
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2019, 06:48:09 AM
I really really think they need to combine EV with wireless charging. They could charge easily while loading/ unloading.

https://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=51862
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Galaxy on December 05, 2019, 07:10:45 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2019, 06:48:09 AM
I really really think they need to combine EV with wireless charging. They could charge easily while loading/ unloading.

https://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=51862

You lose efficiency with wireless charging. Wireless charging is for privat people who are to lazy to plug in their car in the garage. In a commercial environment where people are paid, you just tell them to plug in the vehicle.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 05, 2019, 09:12:08 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2019, 06:48:09 AM
I really really think they need to combine EV with wireless charging. They could charge easily while loading/ unloading.

https://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=51862

You ever seen a large induction coil short out?
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: giant_mtb on December 17, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
Are these range numbers laden or unladen? I cannot imagine a 40k lb electric vehicle making it anywhere near 248 miles, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: MrH on December 17, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: Galaxy on December 05, 2019, 07:10:45 AM
You lose efficiency with wireless charging. Wireless charging is for privat people who are to lazy to plug in their car in the garage. In a commercial environment where people are paid, you just tell them to plug in the vehicle.

Even that is dead on arrival.  You know what happens when a cat or a kid crawls on top of a wireless induction coil of that strength?
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Laconian on December 17, 2019, 11:33:23 AM
Not to mention inverse square law losses. When you're pouring 100kW+ into a car, even a few points of efficiency lost could've powered a home instead.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 17, 2019, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 17, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
Are these range numbers laden or unladen? I cannot imagine a 40k lb electric vehicle making it anywhere near 248 miles, but maybe I'm wrong.

I can't imagine it being any less laden and it still being a viable option for anybody. Even at that range, its usable only for dedicated short runs (between say a central warehouse and a distributor hub) that could have some sort of arrangement that allowed for charging during loading/unloading.

By way of comparison, the last truck I drove had a usable range of about 1500 miles and a normal 5-axle truck/trailer combo is rated for 80,000 lbs.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: MrH on December 17, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 17, 2019, 11:33:23 AM
Not to mention inverse square law losses. When you're pouring 100kW+ into a car, even a few points of efficiency lost could've powered a home instead.

Yep.  But speed is still my biggest issue.  Even cell phones, the speed at which you can charge by wire greatly outweighs the convenience of not plugging in.  For a car, I don't see being able to add any meaningful amount of juice via wireless charging.  Just make me plug it in and give me the fastest charge possible.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 17, 2019, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Even that is dead on arrival.  You know what happens when a cat or a kid crawls on top of a wireless induction coil of that strength?

I would assume some sort of vehicle-to-charger communication that would only power up the coil when the vehicle is in position
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: MrH on December 17, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
Cats and kids can climb under cars :lol:
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 17, 2019, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
Cats and kids can climb under cars :lol:

They can, but at that point, its a roll of the dice anyways.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Submariner on December 17, 2019, 10:01:35 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
You know what happens when a cat or a kid crawls on top of a wireless induction coil of that strength?

A LiveLeak viral video?
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Laconian on December 17, 2019, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: Submariner on December 17, 2019, 10:01:35 PM
A LiveLeak viral video?

A superhero is born! Especially if the child and the cat are on the same Qi charger at the same time.
Title: Re: Nikola Tre Electric Truck For Europe Boasts 644 HP, 248 Miles (400 km) Of Range
Post by: Galaxy on December 18, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Even that is dead on arrival.  You know what happens when a cat or a kid crawls on top of a wireless induction coil of that strength?

I would assume they have found ways to circumvent that, since BMW already offers a wireless charging system for people to lazy to plug in their cars.