http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2007/11/challenger-pric.html
Monday! Monday! Monday! Monday Dec. 3. That?s when you can place your order for an all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 at your local Dodge dealer. You won?t take delivery until spring, but still?
Oh, you?ll also have to pony up $37,325 and $675 in destination charges to get one of the first year?s limited run.
If the price seems high, that?s because these aren?t base models. These are the high-powered SRT8?s with a 6.1-liter Hemi V-8. Horsepower figures haven?t been released, but they should be close to the Charger SRT8?s 425 hp. That car starts at $36,355, by comparison.
Dodge is keeping numbers of the first year limited to build demand and keep discounts down. Recently, other Dodge SRT models have had cash rebates, something usually not seen in high-performance trim levels. The first year Challengers will come in three colors: black, silver and, of course, the orange you see here, and all will have hood stripes. A plaque with the car?s build number will reside in the cabin; however, we still don?t know exactly how many Dodge will produce for 2008.
The limited production is a bad move, IMO. They've been showing this thing for years, they don't have to let interest gradually build. They'll succeed only in ripping off a few initial customers and then pissing off everyone else.
About time.
I see this SRT-8 model is priced in-between a Mustang GT Premium and a Shelby GT500, which seems about right. At a guess, then, a 5.7 V8 model ought to be in the low $30k region.
Quote from: ifcar on November 29, 2007, 07:47:26 AM
The limited production is a bad move, IMO. They've been showing this thing for years, they don't have to let interest gradually build. They'll succeed only in ripping off a few initial customers and then pissing off everyone else.
I agree. I can't wait to see this thing on the roads though. Who knows, maybe years down the road, this could replace ol' Treppy!
Hmmm, kinda costly to me. But then 425HP is a convincing argument!
Quote from: ifcar on November 29, 2007, 07:46:32 AM
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2007/11/challenger-pric.html
Monday! Monday! Monday! Monday Dec. 3. That?s when you can place your order for an all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 at your local Dodge dealer. You won?t take delivery until spring, but still?
Oh, you?ll also have to pony up $37,325 and $675 in destination charges to get one of the first year?s limited run.
If the price seems high, that?s because these aren?t base models. These are the high-powered SRT8?s with a 6.1-liter Hemi V-8. Horsepower figures haven?t been released, but they should be close to the Charger SRT8?s 425 hp. That car starts at $36,355, by comparison.
Dodge is keeping numbers of the first year limited to build demand and keep discounts down. Recently, other Dodge SRT models have had cash rebates, something usually not seen in high-performance trim levels. The first year Challengers will come in three colors: black, silver and, of course, the orange you see here, and all will have hood stripes. A plaque with the car?s build number will reside in the cabin; however, we still don?t know exactly how many Dodge will produce for 2008.
ifcar: IffyDude, last week--or the week before--the current Chrysler corporate owners say 5,000 is the slated production figure for the first year, and then they will re-assess. This is waaaaaaaayyy down from the planned 30,000 for year one that DCX intended at the time the Challenger concept debuted nearly two (has it only been two?) years ago, and is considered not to be a good sign. Be wary of paying a deposit until there is hardware in the dealership showrooms...
I would like to pick up a used one in a few years.
I still can not understand why someone would put a down payment on a car like this without test driving it first.
Quote from: ifcar on November 29, 2007, 07:47:26 AM
The limited production is a bad move, IMO. They've been showing this thing for years, they don't have to let interest gradually build. They'll succeed only in ripping off a few initial customers and then pissing off everyone else.
I guess they feel like they got burned when their inventories were piling up earlier this year with Chargers and 300's. They don't want that to happen again with the Challenger, but OTOH, they should try to sell as many as they can before the Camaro comes out and becomes the new "next big thing".
The style-based Chrysler products tend to have strong sales for the first few years, then go downhill. They can't afford not to sell as many as possible before people get bored with it.
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 29, 2007, 10:58:51 AM
I still can not understand why someone would put a down payment on a car like this without test driving it first.
They don't care. It's new but it looks old! What else do you need to know?
They'll impress all their buddies at the local cruise-in.
Quote from: ifcar on November 29, 2007, 11:25:21 AM
The style-based Chrysler products tend to have strong sales for the first few years, then go downhill. They can't afford not to sell as many as possible before people get bored with it.
Do they even make PT Cruisers anymore? I stopped paying attention to them sometime in 2003.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 29, 2007, 11:29:04 AM
They don't care. It's new but it looks old! What else do you need to know?
They'll impress all their buddies at the local cruise-in.
Yeah thats true, and to them fast in a straightline is all that matters about how a car drives anyway.
If you ask me, the boxy designs should stay in the 60's and 70's.
A lot has changed since 1970. Aerodynamic streamlining, crash standards, big wheels, plastic bumpers, no more chrome trim, high beltlines, etc. You can't go home again, as they say.
Bearing in mind that Dodge is the last automaker that can afford to "build demand" by restricting production, "keeping numbers of the first year limited to build demand and keep discounts down" to me means one of the following:
1.) Product capacity is low (they can't build more even if they wanted to)
2.) Marketing research says that demand for the car isn't very strong
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 29, 2007, 10:58:51 AM
I still can not understand why someone would put a down payment on a car like this without test driving it first.
I had a deposit down on my car... it was 100% refundable, so when the RX8's finally made it to the US they let me test drive the first one and make my decision then
also, I'm sure the predictions are looking at things like $5 a gallon gasoline in 2 years... at that point 425hp no longer looks very attractive to large amounts of people
Quote from: r0tor on November 29, 2007, 12:47:22 PM
also, I'm sure the predictions are looking at things like $5 a gallon gasoline in 2 years... at that point 425hp no longer looks very attractive to large amounts of people
There are also going to be less expensive models with smaller engines.
That $37,000 doesn't mean a thing to me, considering the size of the likely ADMs this car will receive, at least for the first model year.
Quote from: ifcar on November 29, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
There are also going to be less expensive models with smaller engines.
one of the apparent reasons the GTO couldn't sell in large numbers...although a 3.6L 255hp Monaro wouldn't have had much of a chance in the marketplace, either.
I'm not a big fan of the V6 pony car, but I understand their place, and a 3.5L or 4.0L V6 Challenger seems like a fine idea to keep the sales numbers steady
they should also make a convertible
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg)
(http://spiritualoasis.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/challenger-pic.jpg)
I'll take an old one please!
Can somebody please explain why destination charges on domestics cost more than some imports? Why does a Japanese built Mazda3 only have a $635 destination charge while a Michigan-built Mustang has a $725 destination charge? Is it really cheaper to ship a car from Japan to NY than it is to ship from Michigan (or Ontario in the case of the Challenger)?
I don't care, I want one.
Quote from: Pancor on November 29, 2007, 07:04:56 PM
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg)
(http://spiritualoasis.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/challenger-pic.jpg)
I'll take an old one please!
Oh my. Yes thank you!
Quote from: MX793 on November 29, 2007, 07:16:42 PM
Can somebody please explain why destination charges on domestics cost more than some imports? Why does a Japanese built Mazda3 only have a $635 destination charge while a Michigan-built Mustang has a $725 destination charge? Is it really cheaper to ship a car from Japan to NY than it is to ship from Michigan (or Ontario in the case of the Challenger)?
Because destination chares are really just bullshit add-ons?
You pay the same price to buy a G6 From Fresard Pontiac (which is about 5 miles from the factory where they're made) as you do in LA.
Quote from: Pancor on November 29, 2007, 07:04:56 PM
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg)
(http://spiritualoasis.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/challenger-pic.jpg)
I'll take an old one please!
Those look remarkably simliar, though the old one has an aura of badassedness about it. :rockon:
It's only coming with a 5 speed auto. That sucks and I no longer want one because of it. I had heard it would come with the Viper 6 speed, but apparently that ain't happening now. :banghead:
I still really don't like this car, but I do agree that making a pricier limited production run first might not be a good idea, but they could be doing it so that the Challenger will become widely available the same time the Camaro rolls out.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 29, 2007, 11:41:13 PM
It's only coming with a 5 speed auto. That sucks and I no longer want one because of it. I had heard it would come with the Viper 6 speed, but apparently that ain't happening now. :banghead:
the target audience is too arthritic for a manual...
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 29, 2007, 11:41:13 PM
It's only coming with a 5 speed auto. That sucks and I no longer want one because of it. I had heard it would come with the Viper 6 speed, but apparently that ain't happening now. :banghead:
No manual? Forget it, I'll buy a used GTO for half the price.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=12237.msg660236#msg660236 date=1196434494
No manual? Forget it, I'll buy a used GTO for half the price.
I wanted one pretty badly too until I read that.
if the demand is there, i bet they'll offer it with a stick, too.
Quote from: Atomic on November 30, 2007, 12:25:52 PM
if the demand is there, i bet they'll offer it with a stick, too.
It's not something they should have to justify in a car like this, it's something that should just be available.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 29, 2007, 11:41:13 PM
It's only coming with a 5 speed auto. That sucks and I no longer want one because of it. I had heard it would come with the Viper 6 speed, but apparently that ain't happening now. :banghead:
No way in hell I'd buy an auto Challenger!I'll keep waiting on the Camaro.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 30, 2007, 01:27:37 PM
It's not something they should have to justify in a car like this, it's something that should just be available.
Maybe the Viper tranny would be too expensive. :huh:
It's not like the Vipers 6-speed is a gem either. I'd like to see a new manual tranny in this that isn't a workout to use.
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 01, 2007, 10:24:19 AM
Maybe the Viper tranny would be too expensive. :huh:
The GT500's tranny is a newer and sweeter version of the Viper tranny...I'm sure they could have used that if they really wanted to.
I'd only want one if it was available in white.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 29, 2007, 11:41:13 PM
It's only coming with a 5 speed auto. That sucks and I no longer want one because of it. I had heard it would come with the Viper 6 speed, but apparently that ain't happening now. :banghead:
Is that only for this SRT-8 model, or the entire range? I really don't understand why Dodge would limit its potential market by not offering a manual transmission. Does the 300C SRT-8 come with a manual in North America?
Quote from: omicron on December 02, 2007, 08:48:59 AM
Does the 300C SRT-8 come with a manual in North America?
No.
Quote from: 93JC on December 02, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
No.
I haven't a clue if it does here, either. ;)
Further investigations have revealed that one cannot purchase any 300C variant with a manual transmission in Australia.
Funny thing, but I can guarantee that the old Challenger pictured in this thread, that everyone is drooling over, has an automatic. A 727 Torq-flite, to be exact. Most of the old musclecars came with automatics for consistency in drag racing, and the fact that the manuals pretty much sucked to shift... (it was usually a complete guess as to which gear you were going to end up in at any given time...).
(http://karstentwele.com/challenger/OPTIONS_VIN/73shifter.jpeg)
A good automatic behind a healthy V8 can be a very fun combination.
Quote from: ChrisV on December 03, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
Funny thing, but I can guarantee that the old Challenger pictured in this thread, that everyone is drooling over, has an automatic. A 727 Torq-flite, to be exact. Most of the old musclecars came with automatics for consistency in drag racing, and the fact that the manuals pretty much sucked to shift... (it was usually a complete guess as to which gear you were going to end up in at any given time...).
A good automatic behind a healthy V8 can be a very fun combination.
If they give it a decent reproduction of the old pistol grip shifter handles, I'll almost forgive them.
Quote from: ChrisV on December 03, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
Funny thing, but I can guarantee that the old Challenger pictured in this thread, that everyone is drooling over, has an automatic. A 727 Torq-flite, to be exact. Most of the old musclecars came with automatics for consistency in drag racing, and the fact that the manuals pretty much sucked to shift... (it was usually a complete guess as to which gear you were going to end up in at any given time...).
(http://karstentwele.com/challenger/OPTIONS_VIN/73shifter.jpeg)
A good automatic behind a healthy V8 can be a very fun combination.
Yes, but gearboxes have come a long way sense then.
Quote from: Submariner on December 03, 2007, 09:39:15 AM
Yes, but gearboxes have come a long way sense then.
Both manuals AND automatics. ;)
Quote from: ChrisV on December 03, 2007, 09:41:32 AM
Both manuals AND automatics. ;)
Without a doubt. I'm just saying, they have no excuse not to include one.
If they do offer a stickshift Challenger, I wouldn't be surprised if the automatic is still at least as fast. IIRC, the last Z28 and twin turbo Supra were faster down the 1/4 with automatics.
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 03, 2007, 10:45:33 AM
If they do offer a stickshift Challenger, I wouldn't be surprised if the automatic is still at least as fast. IIRC, the last Z28 and twin turbo Supra were faster down the 1/4 with automatics.
Turbo cars with autos are almost always faster than their manual counterparts anyways.
Quote from: Raghavan on December 03, 2007, 10:48:40 AM
Turbo cars with autos are almost always faster than their manual counterparts anyways.
911 Turbo, anyone?
Quote from: ChrisV on December 03, 2007, 09:41:32 AM
Both manuals AND automatics. ;)
Yeah, but still, I get massive satisfaction from driving a manual transmission; it's not that an automatic can't be fun (my automatic Passat is plenty fun, but I would keep it if it were a manual) but it's just that I prefer a manual.
Quote from: Submariner on December 03, 2007, 11:08:38 AM
911 Turbo, anyone?
What about the WRX? True for one is not true for all.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=12237.msg663656#msg663656 date=1196705427
What about the WRX? True for one is not true for all.
I'd venture to say that's because a WRX needs a high-RPM launch to get it's quick times.
Quote from: JYODER240 on December 01, 2007, 12:53:13 PM
It's not like the Vipers 6-speed is a gem either. I'd like to see a new manual tranny in this that isn't a workout to use.
The new 600 HP Viper American Club Racer will be equipped with the Tremec 6060 six speeds found in all GT500s.
ok :ohyeah:
Quote from: Nethead on December 03, 2007, 11:35:42 AM
The new 600 HP Viper American Club Racer will be equipped with the Tremec 6060 six speeds found in all GT500s.
Which is a gem.
Quote from: ChrisV on December 03, 2007, 09:41:32 AM
Both manuals AND automatics. ;)
As have attitudes towards both though.
Dodge is so full of themselves, and I just can't understand it. They NEED to bring out an affordable V6-model to compete with the Mustang, otherwise the whole Challenger line is going to F41L. How did the Mustangs start selling? The dealers got V-6's first.
Hopefully they do bring over a V6 Challenger before the end of next year. They can see themselves that most of the Chargers they sell have V6's in them. Heck, didn't they somehow decide to offer the 2.7 V6 in the Charger for 2007?
The 250hp 3.5 engine would be fine, since the V6 Mustang only has 210 hp, and I don't see the next V6 Camaro having anything bigger than the 255hp 3.6 engine (I don't think the 4.2 I6 is likely)
I'd just take a used SRT-8 300 or Charger :huh:
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 03, 2007, 12:50:16 PM
Hopefully they do bring over a V6 Challenger before the end of next year. They can see themselves that most of the Chargers they sell have V6's in them. Heck, didn't they somehow decide to offer the 2.7 V6 in the Charger for 2007?
The 250hp 3.5 engine would be fine, since the V6 Mustang only has 210 hp, and I don't see the next V6 Camaro having anything bigger than the 255hp 3.6 engine (I don't think the 4.2 I6 is likely)
The next V6 Mustang is supposed to have the 3.5L with 265 hp, and the Camaro is rumoured to be getting a massaged version of the 3.6L that will produce 265-270 hp.
Quote from: NACar on December 03, 2007, 12:33:08 PM
Dodge is so full of themselves, and I just can't understand it. They NEED to bring out an affordable V6-model to compete with the Mustang, otherwise the whole Challenger line is going to F41L. How did the Mustangs start selling? The dealers got V-6's first.
Yeah, definitely. The Mustang has survived so long because the base model has been desirable to certain people.
Quote from: Raza on December 03, 2007, 03:01:47 PM
Yeah, definitely. The Mustang has survived so long because the base model has been desirable to certain people.
Mainly the ladies.
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 03, 2007, 03:02:57 PM
Mainly the ladies.
Pretty much. Who else would want a slow, floppy four seat convertible?
Quote from: Raza on December 03, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
Pretty much. Who else would want a slow, floppy four seat convertible?
:huh:
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 03, 2007, 01:14:07 PM
The next V6 Mustang is supposed to have the 3.5L with 265 hp, and the Camaro is rumoured to be getting a massaged version of the 3.6L that will produce 265-270 hp.
Wow. I hate to sound blasphemous, but the new crop of V6's are really threatening to make V8's irrelevent :mask:
edit: unless Ford significantly ups the power of the Mustang GT's V8...I'm actually not so worried about the Camaro; the smallest LSx makes what, 360 hp? :lol:
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 03, 2007, 03:24:33 PM
Wow. I hate to sound blasphemous, but the new crop of V6's are really threatening to make V8's irrelevent :mask:
edit: unless Ford significantly ups the power of the Mustang GT's V8...I'm actually not so worried about the Camaro; the smallest LSx makes what, 360 hp? :lol:
The next Mustang V8 is rumoured to be in the 350-375 hp range.
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 29, 2007, 10:58:51 AM
I still can not understand why someone would put a down payment on a car like this without test driving it first.
Well, if you're already in love with the concept and the looks, you could just take an SRT-8 Charger or 300C for a spin, they're probably very similar.
But I agree in general with your statement.
Quote from: FordSVT on December 04, 2007, 12:27:04 PM
Well, if you're already in love with the concept and the looks, you could just take an SRT-8 Charger or 300C for a spin, they're probably very similar.
But I agree in general with your statement.
Deposits are fully refundable, so......why not?
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 04, 2007, 12:29:11 PM
Deposits are fully refundable, so......why not?
Not always.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 04, 2007, 12:30:08 PM
Not always.
I have never seen a non-refundable deposit for cars. Even the deposits for the GT500 were refundable.
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 04, 2007, 12:58:44 PM
I have never seen a non-refundable deposit for cars. Even the deposits for the GT500 were refundable.
Many times there is a hefty cancellation fee.
Quote from: Nethead on December 05, 2007, 01:14:04 PM
Anyone moving up from a Camaro. '66 Bronco.
Fixed! :ohyeah:
Finally something other than the Mustang on the road.. I was getting quite bored
Quote from: Yawn on December 05, 2007, 06:43:23 PM
Finally something other than the Mustang on the road.. I was getting quite bored
really? Out of millions of cars on the road, you ONLY see Mustangs? Must be
really popular where you live, eh?
:lol:
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 05, 2007, 06:38:01 PM
Fixed! :ohyeah:
It's a damned miracle! Gotta-Extinct-Z28 is actually correct for the first time in his life--assuming you want to trade what won out as the greatest offroad vehicle of the last century, according to a panel of offroad racers, engineers, automotive corporate execs, and offroad editors. Actually, it won the title as the
Greatest Offroad Vehicle of All Time, but that was early in this century so the Nethead here qualifies that as really only applicable to the last century. The early Bronco was picked over the AM General Humvee (the
REAL Hummer), all European offroad vehicles (Galandewagen, Cayenne, et al), all Japanese offroad vehicles, and certainly over all other domestic offroad vehicles. A
lot of good was said about most of the other competitors--well, the foreign offroad vehicles anyway--but when it came down to what vehicle on the planet had the most features that make an offroad vehicle great regardless of price, the early Bronco came out on top when the points each vehicle scored were tallied up. They coulda saved a lot of time, effort, and money by just asking the Nethead here--I already knew what the result would be before the panel of experts convened.
But if it's a
pavement vehicle you seek, the Mustang is much better on the pavement than the early Bronco. 'Smart of you to figure that out!
Hemi Fever Blooms
Something has muscle cars fans squealing like teenage girls at a Hannah Montana concert. Judging by the reaction to the 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8, which in the first DAY of orders, more than 4,300 people plunked down a deposit, it must be this all-American muscle coupe.
And more than 6,000 have made deposits with dealers since orders opened on Monday, months before the limited-edition Challenger SRT8 goes into production.
"This is unprecedented," said Mark Mallie, Challenger Brand Manager ? Dodge Marketing. "Customers were actually coming to us and pushing us, so we thought this was a good time to take pre-sale orders."
Orders are still coming in ? long before enthusiasts have even seen the car. They?ll have to wait until the production Dodge Challenger SRT8 makes its debut at the Chicago Auto Show next February. But there?s no surprise about the benchmark performance of the Challenger SRT8.
Each is powered by a 6.1-liter HEMI V-8, and features a numbered dash plaque, plus dual ?carbon-fiber? hood stripes that harken back to the original Dodge Challenger. The car is available in black, silver or HEMI orange.
"More than half of the orders are HEMI Orange," Mallie said. "It?s been almost 35 years since the last Challenger, and there's a lot of interest. It's certainly an iconic muscle car."
The manufacturer's suggested retail price is $37,995, including a $675 destination fee. Remember ? this is an SRT, delivering top-of-the-line performance, world-class ride and handling, benchmark braking and a race-inspired interior.
Pricing on the rest of the lineup will be announced at a later date.
I hope they come out with a hybrid version. Maybe a turbodiesel 4 cylinder
Quote from: sportyaccordy on December 06, 2007, 02:44:44 PM
I hope they come out with a hybrid version. Maybe a turbodiesel Vee-8 cylinder with a 200kW electric motor
:rockon:
Quote from: NACar on December 06, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
I hope they come out with a hybrid version. Maybe a turbodiesel Vee-8 cylinder with a 200kW electric motor
:rockon:
Much,
much better! Any word on the curb weight?
Quote from: ChrisV on December 06, 2007, 06:22:05 AM
really? Out of millions of cars on the road, you ONLY see Mustangs? Must be really popular where you live, eh?
:lol:
He lives in a Ford dealership. In a Mustang.
Quote from: Raza on December 10, 2007, 04:08:51 PM
He lives in a Ford dealership. In a Mustang.
Who do you think he is, Nethead?
Quote from: Raza on December 03, 2007, 03:01:47 PM
Yeah, definitely. The Mustang has survived so long because the base model has been desirable to certain people.
RazDude's correct. Next Spring it'll be nine million certain people and counting...